Setting the Record Straight

[krisinluck]

I'm going to set this straight right now.

Miv at yTF: Kris chose to take action against me without any dialogue. She was supported by Ross, who also chose to have no dialogue with me. She made assumptions about me that were wrong. There was no partnership, no camaraderie, no trust. Simple, really.That's not quite true.

I have every PM and every email received or sent regarding TRS since Ross bailed. When the hoopla started in June with Miv sending a warning to 3P, I backed her because 3P was being a snot to anyone that didn't pat her on the head. (Others may see it differently, but that was my perception as well that of a fair number of other posters.) There was thread after thread of foolishness, and the Presidential Seal thread that ended it all - which actually said "yes we can" in Latin, for crying out loud - just happened to be the one that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Miv did not say that 3P's posts were stupid or trite any more than anyone else did in that thread. She said she would rather see discussion of the important issues.

Hindsight being 20/20, it's too bad Palin wasn't in the picture then.

3P told Miv to fuck off. Miv sent her a warning. I backed Miv on that decision, and I still do. The rest is history. Except for our exchanges off the board.

I told her I agreed with the warning, but it was a first time and I would probably have PM'd 3P before doing that. That's how I am.

So yTF opens, and Miv heads over there for the discussion. Of course she isn't welcome; she was the evil mod at TRS. She wasn't at TRS, and I'm not about to dictate what she can or can't post other places. But in late July (July 23, to be exact), I sent her a PM saying "I really have no problem with you posting over there and trying to poke the yahoos with rational thought, but I'd really appreciate it if you'd give me a hand with topics here." ]Note:[/B] By "yahoos", I meant the Far Right Mutual Masturbation Society. Not everyone there was a yahoo.

On July 28, I sent her another note, attempting to convey that what she was doing over there was not doing her or TRS any favors. "If you want to post on politics over there, go for it, but just let the rest of the shit be. It's only making things worse because YOU are the moderator who they are pissed off about. If you were just a poster over here, it wouldn't matter. But you aren't.

Step back. Please."She sent me a few PMs in there as well, asking for guidance.

We were on the same page for a while, then the whole Jesus picture thing exploded. Of course, these things don't explode when I'm around and on the boards. By the time I got there, the discussion was about ban her or not. She was banned, with nary a word, not only from yTF, but proTF as well, where she had her Bee Diary.

I came to her defense on getting her Bee Diary back. I would have done that for anyone.

When yTF was closed by Hep, Trouble came by and posted in that thread, wishing her well. I had changed his status from Miserable to normal by then, figuring he wouldn't come back anyway; and I was glad he did that. I even sent him a PM telling him so. Nice to see another side of him. Miv was not amused that he posted, and wrote me asking how he was able to post when he had been permanently banned. I told her he had not been permanently banned, and unless he unleashed the inner asshole he had channeled at TRS previously, I wasn't planning to make that happen.

She began to post more provocative topics at TRS. The back and forth between her and Bard was migraine inducing from both sides. Not so much the subject matter, but the idea that it can't be conveyed without personal attacks.

And then, the meltdown hit. The Paul Newman thread was the start of it. It escalated while I was at work (of course, because I would have nipped that in the ass before it ever got that far). I get home, Shawn is banned, I've got PMs from a dozen people, and I'm fucking tired. But instead of going to bed, I have to stay up and wade through all that crap. It pissed me off.

Then I discover that she baited Shawn to head into the Political forum with another thread about Jesus, designed to inflame.

So I removed her mod status, put a note at the top that I didn't know what was next but for that time, she was not a mod. I unbanned Shawn, sent Ross a note, and went to bed.

I was able to get some distance by the time I was back online. Ross said "do whatever you think is right." I decided that the board was quiet enough I would do it myself. I posted the announcement (http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=203919&postcount=1) and sent Miv a PM.

On September 29, I get a PM from a poster at the Deli. They had received a PM from Miv there and forwarded it to me. "Could you please tell Kris that my PM inbox is full, and I cannot pm her as I am not spending time on cleaning it out. If she wants to get in touch with me, she can email me at xxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx. If she doesn't, well, I get the message."

Her inbox may have been full, but she could have sent that directly to me anyway. In any case, I cut and pasted the PM to her as soon as I got the message, with a few additions reflecting the email vs. PM.Miv, I know how frustrating the whole thing can be, and I have no doubt you are hurt and angry by my decision to simply do it myself. I have also had just about enough of it, but after talking with Ross about it, I decided to give it one more shot.

Here is how I see what went down on Sunday while I was gone:

White Owl in the Paul Newman thread was stupid as hell - he was wrong. Even though you were not mod in that forum, however, you were a mod on the board and as such you should have been abiding by the basic rules of behavior such as not using his given name, not feeding the fire he had lit. It's known that the two of you have volatile history.

Since you had no mod priv in that forum, you went over to the political forum and started in again with the Jesus images because you knew he was on the board and would go batshit about it...which would make it possible for you to ban him. Which you did.

I can't have that going on. I can't be on the board all the time, which is why we wanted to have a mod. I cannot have a mod who has an ax to grind with another poster in another forum setting it up so that poster will go to the forum they moderate so they can ban them! That's a set up, and it doesn't work from an admin point of view.

I feel that I have been fair in my dealings with you - when you have crossed the line, I've told you privately. When you did the right thing, I have stood up for you, even as it has cost the board posters - and I'm not talking about just the Yuku exodus, either. It's fine to post content that is pushing the envelope, but as a mod - who represents the board and it's admins - one must be able to temper how far the envelope gets shoved. On Sunday evening, the envelope left the table.

I would love for you to remain at the board as a poster. It's not busy enough to need another set of eyes these days, anyway. I'm going to give it a month - maybe two, depending on how I feel at the end of October - and if things aren't turning around, it's gonna be gone.

Now you are free to post whatever you want to, in whatever way you want to, without the burden of being seen as a representative of TRS in any capacity other than a poster.

I'm sorry your inbox is full, but I'm glad to have the email so I can tell you these things. I wondered why I had not heard from you.

I'm also sorry that it went down this way, and hope you understand why.
Her response made it clear she did not understand why.

I still stand by what I said to her in that email, and my defense of her prior to that. I can't have a mod taking out their personal issues with so many posters on the board, and damned well can't have them setting up a poster they don't like so they can ban them.

So there was dialogue. Starting as far back as July, there was dialogue about her easing up. There was attempted dialogue with her when the last straw hit. I did not respond to her after her reply; it was clear she wasn't in the mood and frankly, neither was I. I had invested a bit of myself in her partnership, whether she wants to believe that or not.

So many "don't read" here anymore that I posted this at TCW as well. Thank you, Chops, for allowing me to do that.

[RunFaYaLife]

So many "don't read" here anymore that I posted this at TCW as well. Thank you, Chops, for allowing me to do that.

No one reads "there" either. LoL

[thebigkahooouna]

Actually I thought my "OPPS" thread was a lot more entertaining :0104:

[krisinluck]

Yeah, it was. lol

The indignation from the uninvolved is amusing, though.

[tekobari]

Gee, I'm really sorry about this. I love Miv. I guess I wasn't paying too much attention to the ins and outs, and I don't read TimeFor or TCW.

I trust you made the right decision, Kris.

[krisinluck]

Tell me one board owner - any board, in or out of our circle - who would maintain a moderator who baits a poster in order to ban them. It wasn't just White Owl she wanted gone. Had that been allowed to stand, I can think of at least two other posters (still here, still posting) who would have been subjected to the same thing.

I like Miv a lot, too. She's well read and able to speak intelligently on nearly any topic. I'd welcome her back in a heartbeat, but not in a moderator capacity. She believes she could not return to just posting here, and I respect that decision.

[krisinluck]

Checking time stamps is a good thing when "reporting", Hep. Two minutes apart. It was always my intent to have it both places. :)

[RunFaYaLife]

Gee, I'm really sorry about this. I love Miv. I guess I wasn't paying too much attention to the ins and outs, and I don't read TimeFor or TCW.

I trust you made the right decision, Kris.

Same here.

All I know or care to know... is that there is supposed to be this asylum somewhere out there in the www where the major nut jobs are pretty much contained.

However
I did read the Miv/white owl thing here and I thought the bait game obviously was mutual.

I still like Miv

White owl is a cry baby and he cried to you yet again Kris.

The
rest
is
history

leaving ya my 2 cents in the table.

[RunFaYaLife]

in -on
around here somewhere...lol.

[RunFaYaLife]

Same here.

All I know or care to know... is that there is supposed to be this asylum somewhere out there in the www where the major nut jobs are pretty much contained.

Amended;

I found TF tonite....read it.

It looks like TF it is not the asylum ...because I did not see any of the major nut job(s).

However, after clicking a link from TF I found a new asylum and noticed
business as usual is alive and well...there.

:1crazy2:

bummer for the owner. LoL


Oh and in other news

Obama is on Larry King.

Rock On

[krisinluck]

I did read the Miv/white owl thing here and I thought the bait game obviously was mutual.With one BIG difference: Miv was a representative of the board. It was volunteer, so am I; but luring him into the forum where she had power to ban him was out of line.

I'll take your two cents, but my position here means my view of the incident (along with what led up to it) is worth more than that.

If that doesn't work for you, find someplace that does.

[justjg]

Kris you are a thin skinned idiot.

If you can't get along with Miv just give it up.

[White Owl]

Same here.

All I know or care to know... is that there is supposed to be this asylum somewhere out there in the www where the major nut jobs are pretty much contained.

However
I did read the Miv/white owl thing here and I thought the bait game obviously was mutual.

I still like Miv

White owl is a cry baby and he cried to you yet again Kris.

The
rest
is
history

leaving ya my 2 cents in the table.


And this is coming from a long time poster of a board called "The Train Wreck". (Agent X)

And as usual, Runfa has not a clue what she is talking about. How the fuck was I able to cry to Kris when I was banned and could not access any PM features, Einstein?

Runfa, YOU are a major nutcase. A hypocritical stalking, nutcase.

This is Kriss' board. Don't like the way it's run, too frigging bad.

[krisinluck]

Fuck off, Jamie.

:2plonk:

[RunFaYaLife]

Sorry to interupt your clown act there crusty...err white owl....

But No you were NOT banned from here...and could PM Kris.



White Owl in the Paul Newman thread was stupid as hell - he was wrong. Even though you were not mod in that forum, however, you were a mod on the board and as such you should have been abiding by the basic rules of behavior such as not using his given name, not feeding the fire he had lit. It's known that the two of you have volatile history.

Since you had no mod priv in that forum, you went over to the political forum and started in again with the Jesus images because you knew he was on the board and would go batshit about it...which would make it possible for you to ban him. Which you did.

I can't have that going on. I can't be on the board all the time, which is why we wanted to have a mod. I cannot have a mod who has an ax to grind with another poster in another forum setting it up so that poster will go to the forum they moderate so they can ban them! That's a set up, and it doesn't work from an admin point of view.



And this is coming from a long time poster of a board called "The Train Wreck". (Agent X)

Oh that's rich..
coming from an even longER CWL poster *WO.
which is the board that TTW is modeled after as well as
the very reason it exists.

You are nothing BUT a whining-shit stirring -troll...
a universally well known fact.

[RunFaYaLife]

Kris...
You take this board stuff WAY too seriously.

but then ...
I assume you *should* know that by now ...
enough people have told you so not to mention left TRS over it.

You whipping out your little "I'm the admin" power trip wand has gotten long passed old...for me .....as well as others really giving a shit.

You make the rules and then break them yourself.

Hell you and r0ss or YOU should just close this thing down and open a yuku board...since it is deadsville now...
save yourself some money.

[Whale Spirit]

Expert advice for free. Ain't it great? :)

[krisinluck]

Kris...
You take this board stuff WAY too seriously.

but then ...
I assume you *should* know that by now ...
enough people have told you so not to mention left TRS over it.

You whipping out your little "I'm the admin" power trip wand has gotten long passed old...for me .....as well as others really giving a shit.

You make the rules and then break them yourself.

Hell you and r0ss or YOU should just close this thing down and open a yuku board...since it is deadsville now...
save yourself some money.Then trot on along, RunFa.

People have left for a variety of reasons, and yes, some left because of me. Other's left because of you and the rest of the gang who ran rampant over here with the endless bullshit. Some left because of Miv. Some left because of Ross, and even though he was gone they still chose not to return because his name is on the board.

Quite a few posters I have talked to one on one are gone because the boards are so damned toxic. Despite attempts to make this one *less* toxic, it's very history permeates the present. I think many of us have simply outgrown the need to play these games.

But thanks so much for your input. Really. Ross and I are waaaay ahead of your brilliant pronouncement, and have already been discussing what's next. The one thing I can guarantee is that it won't be a Yuku board.

[nobs]

I just posted and can't find my post - was it removed or is this the FIRST TIME EVER this has happened to me???

The post was in reply to this issue.

[Aadani]

*from the lurker gallery*

ack! Nooo, dont even think of shutting it down. 'Therossshow' is easy for me to remember ..I cant recall all those damn Yuko or whatever urls :P

Hell in just a year all the damn URLs have changed..the boards are all different (well to me) Only think that really remains the same is TRS.

I appreciate that someone like Kris took over the nasty job that is board admin..its appreciated :)

[Aadani]

Off topic but..

nobs..it your avatar by Susan Seddon-Boulet?
She is one of my faves..

[krisinluck]

I just posted and can't find my post - was it removed or is this the FIRST TIME EVER this has happened to me???

The post was in reply to this issue.Nobs, I just got home from work a little bit ago, and there is no moderation showing in this thread. I can't tell you what happened to it, but there is no sign of it here.

**

Aadani - thank you. How refreshingly different to hear a voice in the wilderness calling out something other than the same old shit.

[nobs]

Well - I will try to reconstruct what I said. A shorter version. I don't know what happened and I am not accusing anyone of anything - if this disappears, or if I am told that my post was removed - then that is just more of the same.

I am so tired of this behavior and what this place has become.

I don't understand why you would take on admin of this board with an already overstressed life. That is mostly what you post to anything said to you that you perceive negatively.

I considered this place my "home" board and I cared (and still care) about a lot of the folks who posted here.

I think you should be talking to Ross, Kris.
I rarely come here anymore and when I do there is rules, threads, posts with this crap in it -
about Miv, Hep or whomever disagrees with you or does something that you don't like. It is like some kind of power trip and even though I don't know Runfa or your personal history, he/she has a point.

I got to know many who posted here during the darkest days of my life and this really bothers me. The people you write threads and posts (and tell to fuck off if they don't agree) are people who would be there for you if you needed them. You have used this place as your personal place to air your disagreements and you have managed to alienate many with the stickys, rules and if they disagree with you - you tell them to fuck off.

I don't know what happened with Ross, it isn't my business. But this isn't his show anymore. May as well give it the name I used many years ago. Only there is less "& Co." these days.
I don't know what is going on in your life and that is not my business. I DO know that I agree wholeheartedly with what my Toke-sis said in another thread of this ilk. This is so very sad.

So don't bother telling me, Kris - I will be "fucking off" now.

This isn't my original post but it is a somewhat shorter facsimile.

I apologize to anyone whom I offended with language or content but that is the status quo these days, so I used it to make my point. I do not usually throw this type of language around a public board (or a private one for that matter).

[nobs]

Kris, it may have been my computer - it logs me off when I am here and when I posted - I didn't preview or wait and see it come up.

Thankfully - I asked and was not accusing.

I really did not like having to make that post, Kris. But I feel like TRS is no longer.

[nobs]

Aadani,

I apologize - I missed your post.

I don't know. I asked for some owl pics and this is one that Hep found so she may know.

Happy posted a lot of great owls that I am going to try to figure how to take out of the post (in archives). I did get a couple of them, one that is mechanical which I use on other boards.

Hep knows so much more about art than I do. My daughter does too. They are my resident art experts :)
I can't even color in the lines.

[White Owl]

Runfa, once again you are frigging CLUELESS. Go figure. Agent X...er, Runfa, I was FUCKING BANNED. Therefore no PM access. No way to bitch and moan, you know, what you do 24/7.......about it.

How about this? You go back to Lee's board, post your libelous, hateful shit and leave this board alone?

[White Owl]

Nobs, I hope you post here often. I have read this board without posting for years, and YOU are one of the posters that made this place great. I do not know you......but admire you greatly.

[krisinluck]

Well, Nobs, I respect your opinion. I disagree in this case, but I certainly respect your right to see it from your perspective.

< one more time into the fire >

I'm done explaining why I agreed to do this. My life was a lot different a year ago than it is now, and this place was my escape from it. I didn't want it to be gone, and I figured what the hell. If it would keep it here, along with the people who made me smile or care, I'd do it.

I also foolishly thought that at least some of those who had fled due to Ross and decisions he made or didn't make in the months leading up to my joining him would give me at least some support in my efforts, and I would still be able to hang out with them. Here. On this board. The use of "foolish" in that sentence tells you exactly how that went down. Live and learn.

I tried to handle the serious problems I inherited based on common sense and common courtesy. No one wanted that, probably because both are so rare that common is a misnomer. They wanted "rules"! I give them "rules", and they bitch about the rules. I had people writing me about the endless fights going on between the "Cheesers" and the "Washers". I had "Cheesers" and "Washers" and "Wreckers" writing me to warn me about the others. You should see the PMs! I even tried giving them free rein for limited time to get it out of their system. That didn't work either. And of course, through all of that, I had Hep digging at me to ban anyone she didn't approve of.

I stood by Miv when she went off the handle with 3P, resulting in the exodus offered by Hep...who I had done my best to shield from those who wanted nothing more than to target her. Whoops; another fuck up! You'd think I would have learned from history, wouldn't you?

I let Miv go for a valid reason. If a moderator at a board lures a poster into their own forum so they can ban them, they should not be moderating. Her "take" on it, egged on by Hep, was bullshit, and I started this thread to defend myself. It's far less rancid than the threads of old! The way you are writing here now would indicate that I have posted about every befuckled spin that has been posted at other boards on any and all topics. I have not.

I could have. I thought about it, especially when Kashtin said "I don't want Miv at my board and that's that". Everyone thought that was dandy, but when I say I don't want Jamie (or this one or that one) here and make it so s/he is not, I'm a power freak. Maybe if I had penis it would be different? :1crazy2:

Had I done posted that, your post above would have been valid to me. Probably leave me groveling for forgiveness. But I didn't, and I'm not.

Jamie has been a pain in the ass since the AC days. I didn't see you having any problems with it when he was targeted there. Or here. Or other places back in the day. (I recall one poster speaking out about it and getting her ass handed to her for it, and I recall exactly who that poster was.) In any case, now that my moment of goodwill in letting him back in has resulted in his continued inability to post anything but whining and sticking verbal pins in me, it is the end of said goodwill. I'm done with him permanently at this board. I'm a terrible bitch. So be it.

RunFa only posts to stir shit. She's been moderated and taken forced vacations from here more than once due to her issues with anyone who doesn't see things her way, and her tendency to throw ancient history and real names around. She has the choice to stay or go. I urge her to go someplace she can be happier with the atmosphere. I think most of us are well aware of where that is.

My life is my life. It's crazy, and since I went out on my own, it's crazier still. I have shared maybe 5% of my personal life here; far less than others. But here is the bottom line: when I come home from work and have to clean up a mess created by alleged adults, it pisses me off. The horror! I'm human.

That you would even think that I haven't talked with Ross is amazing to me. *shakes head*

Of all the people I've known on these boards, this surprises me from you. There are damned few people from this circle of the internet who have a freakin' clue who I am. You used to be one of them, and I guess I expected a bit more benefit of the doubt from you. Perhaps you are one of the many who are simply gone from me now as I try to find out exactly who I am supposed to be.

In any case, I'll always care for you, and wish you only the best.

< / verbal vomit >

[newslady]

Oh, Kris, it's pained me to read your response back to Nobs.

I don't believe what Nobs said was sufficient for you to put her on blast. And blast, is kinda, where you put her. Which, IMO, is unfair.

Look, I'm not one to play arm chair quarterback or to even try to second-guess you on running this board. I admire you for agreeing to step up and run this placer in Ross' absence. Being a board operator/moderator is a thankless job.

Which is why it's key, IMHO, to remember that these boards aren't our lives. Its unhealthy to swirl a world, a life lived, around these boards. You know that. Yes, you do have a life. So live it. And if that means saying "fuck it" to this board, then do so.

Shut it down, if necessary.

[nobs]

Kris,

I hope you don't mind if I answer this post tomorrow.
I want to give your words and feelings the attention they deserve and it is 12:30 am and I took my night meds.


Also I think you misread or misinterpreted something I said about Ross. I said that you should talk to him about what's going on. As you have said - you took this on for good cause & reason and a lot has happened and NOW your life is different.

Also - I don't know the Cheezer crowd, the Washers (sound like a laundromat group) or the Wreckers and whenever I would see those words or threads I would back out.
A lot of them were here when Ross had the board and that may have been what finally made him decide to take his life in a new direction. Maybe not nipping the Cheezers, Washers & Wreckers in the bud opened the door for the bs to spill over to here. And a lot of board owners really only care about the hits and not the people who have loyally been a part of their board for years. I really miss a lot of the folks who left.

But, it sounds like you were expected to be a glorified moderator to these folks' bs.
This board with it's "all are welcome" policy changed a lot throughout the years and a lot of the best are gone. I admire those who are trying to hang in and make a go of this again but it has become toxic for you . I sometimes felt that you were changing drastically but I do know what life's problems can do to you.

With all of the major boards over the years (and major board experiments) few have survived with a group of people who can post together without a lot of rules and moderations and such. I do visit and belong to a couple.
At one of them I don't think there has been a moderation in years (if ever) but it is private.
Maybe the problems occur when boards are public.

Whichever, I need to sleep and I will drop in tomorrow with any additional thoughts.

I try to not get involved in personal conflicts and I guess I let it all get to me.
I like Miv and Hep and really disdain the conflicts.

I will stop back tomorrow.

White Owl

Thank you. Although I have been sporadic over the years, I was one of the first posters here AND in boardieland. Been around more than 10 years now.

Maybe that is the problem :)

[krisinluck]

Oh, Kris, it's pained me to read your response back to Nobs.

I don't believe what Nobs said was sufficient for you to put her on blast. And blast, is kinda, where you put her. Which, IMO, is unfair.

Look, I'm not one to play arm chair quarterback or to even try to second-guess you on running this board. I admire you for agreeing to step up and run this placer in Ross' absence. Being a board operator/moderator is a thankless job.

Which is why it's key, IMHO, to remember that these boards aren't our lives. Its unhealthy to swirl a world, a life lived, around these boards. You know that. Yes, you do have a life. So live it. And if that means saying "fuck it" to this board, then do so.

Shut it down, if necessary.If you think you were pained by my response, you shoulda been inside my skin when I read her post in the first place. I expect that kind of blasting (and if you think she didn't blast me, read it again) from some people here; I did not expect it from her. The first time it happened was right after the exodus, and I let it go. Emotions were running high, and at that point, I was still attempting to give people at least some gossip by keeping up on the FRMMS that was going on at yTF.

I did not blast Nobs. I responded to her post to me in detail; because I'm sick to death of being put on that particular hot seat repeatedly this past year.

The biggest change in my life is that I'm past letting things that wound me go drifting past like they don't matter or don't hurt me. I no longer sit quietly when I'm wounded; I do my best to explain myself and then detach. If I fuck up, I own it. That's tough for the people around me to take, both online and off, because it is different from what they have known from me all these years. I've had to adjust to that, in many cases, by letting that person go from my life...which is a big difference from the years of sucking up for more just so I would not lose them. Number One Lesson: comfort zones are not necessarily healthy.

You are correct that these boards are not our lives. Can you tell me why that has to mean I should say "fuck it" to TRS? Is it because the posters who actually contribute to anything other than to tell me I'm not doing it the way they think I should and/or I should shut it down can't quite carry the whole weight of keeping it "alive"?

I'm not seeing it.

I miss seeing you, and Nobs, and countless others who were the very reasons I took this gig. From here, it appears that grudges against people who aren't even around anymore keep them from participating, even though the endless Cheeser bullshit has been stopped. Besdies, it's much more fun to sit in the private boards and poke holes in every attempt I have made in the last year. It's entertaining. I get that; I really do. BTDT.

I won't ever do it again, though.

Whatever ends up happening with the history held in this site and the future of this place will happen based on whether or not it's worth something to anyone besides me and the handful of people who still seem to give a damn and/or enjoy the company of those who are still posting here.

[krisinluck]

Nobs, Ross encouraged the fights between those groups. He wanted the hits. I skimmed them too, until I didn't have that option anymore.

These boards have always thrived on dissension and anger and mob mentality, but it is far worse than it ever was. This board in particular set the standard for that in a lot of ways, and the last few years before signing up in an effort to save it, I posted very little myself. Every thread that was going ended up infected by the same old war, and it stopped being worthwhile.

I believed (rose colored glasses) that if I could get that to ease up, or at least not infect every damned thread, this place could rebound. Of course, those same rose colored glasses had me believing that those who claimed to have left because of that foolishness would join me in my efforts. I offered to do this at least partly in jest, never thinking he'd take me up on it. But my reasons were clear; I knew things were shifting in my life, and I selfishly wanted to keep this place and the people here who were that I cared about.

Yes, I have changed. Everyone has changed in ten years or more! The only alternative is to die. I have changed more in the last two months due to the drastic changes in my offline life, and I am not about to apologize to anyone for finding my voice and my self again. What you know and see of me is very little - that's a fact. Here's another one: Every relationship in my life, on and off line, is impacted by it. It's tough, but it's also good. A lot of fair weather friends have been lost along the way. Even as I'm sad to see them go, I welcome those who come in and appreciate the authentic me instead of the Apple Pie Mom (thanks to Elsa for that definition!) that I made myself into to make the world more comfortable.

I'm not angry with you in any way; you have every right to say what you feel. So do I. I can't miss you, because you've not been around, but I can miss the old days when you were. And I do. I wish you only the best, wherever you may be.

[krisinluck]

Miv, by the time you lured White Owl to Politics to ban him, we were a year into this. The most toxic (not toxic to YOU, but overall toxic) had ceased by that point, and little of it took place in the forum you had control of.

And Hep, sorry to say that you are a peripheral player in this. I left that piece of baggage behind several weeks ago.

[paleryder]

Sarah Pailin is HOT and I miss the "cheesers".....!!!!

( Who were the "cheesers" ..? I forgot.....lol


When I grow up ..shall I become a Cheeser, Washer, or an o o o o o old woman? :sm1115:


(An insurance commercial that's running here has left me with this earworm.)

"When I grow up I want to be an old woman

When I grow up I want to be an old woman

Oh, an o-o-o-o-old, an old, old woman



Then I think I'm gonna find myself an old man

Then I think I'm gonna marry myself that old man

An old, an old, an old, an old, a really old man



We're gonna have a hundred and twenty babies

A hundred and five, ten, fifteen, twenty babies

Uh huh, that's what I said a hundred and twenty babies



We'll raise 'em on tiger's milk and green bananas

Mangoes and coconuts and watermelon

We're gonna give 'em that watermelon when they starts yellin'



Here's what they'll yell...



In the summer we'll sit in a field and watch the sun melt

In the winter we'll sit by a fire and watch the moon freeze

Me my old man and a hundred and twenty babies

Me my old man and a hundred and twenty babies

I said, me my old man and a hundred and twenty babies

Oh, when I grow up I want to be an old woman....."


:1clap4:

[tekobari]

OMG, do I love that!! It goes right into my journal library. :1clap3:

[paleryder]

Found it on YouTube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q15PlMFQdMg

[paleryder]

The song is featured in the Kaiser Peremenate commerical.

[Maison Rustique]

But PR, you didn't show them the old woman party game (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt9lErsLafw)!!

That's a video from the recent get-together that I had with dcj, Luvcats and Mewsicmama.

:1rotfl2:

[bluekazoo]

These boards have always thrived on dissension and anger and mob mentality, but it is far worse than it ever was. This board in particular set the standard for that in a lot of ways, and the last few years before signing up in an effort to save it, I posted very little myself. Every thread that was going ended up infected by the same old war, and it stopped being worthwhile.


That's so very true.

If there was such a thing as 'wishes', here's what I'd wish ...

I'd wish that AD had never been sold, only to disappear - we'd already lost 3 or 4 or more boards prior to that, but during the AD times, we were mostly all still around the same place. It was public, it was well-populated, and it was mildly moderated (but we need to keep in mind that it was not populated with cheesers or washers or whatever, either - it was still just the old gang who mostly got along alright). And yeah, I know - that's a terrible thing to say, and I'm NOT sorry that I've gotten to post alongside tek and some of the others, who never would have found us at AD. I enjoy many of the newer posters. BUT that doesn't change the fact that AD was a solid board, with little if any dysfunction, and very little drama.


I wish people would stop carrying these permanent grudges and remember that once, several years ago, we all enjoyed each other's company (with the exception of a few loons who, back then, tended to disappear on their own eventually).


I wish (and this is a biggie) that Ross hadn't filled this board with crap from other places, for his own amusement and then run away, leaving a fragmented mess for those of us who chose to stay. I don't begrudge him the enjoyment of real life, I do wish he'd made the decision to give the place away ... oh, let's say back before he imported Passion and that whole brouhahaha ... up until then, even tho the board was full of Ross-hate for TCW/TS/ebay boards, most of us didn't know those folks and didn't care about it - it was Ross' thing, and his alone. Well, at least until runfa and the others ended up over here, dredging it all up again.

So, yeah, I wish things had all gone down very differently.

But they didn't. So I'm wondering ... if people hate the way Kris does things, why the need to tell her about it, in detail, instead of just ignoring the place? Obviously, it's easy enough for most people to just 'walk on by' ... and yeah, she's made a few mistakes since taking the place over with, but she's still 'Kris', for pete's sake ... she's been a friend to some of us for close to 10 years now.

Is there anybody who thinks they could have done a better job at even attempting to clean up the mess Ross left in his wake? And if so, where were you when Ross was getting ready to turn out the lights, and why weren't you standing in line for the job? I'm sure Kris would have been just as happy to just be a 'poster' ... and not saddled with the running of a place that doesn't seem to be 'fixable' ...

Back when Ross left, somebody (I think it was EvilA) had a suggestion that all memberships be deleted, people could re-register if they wanted to participate, and that there be some kind of announcement as to what the intention of the board would be (free for all, moderated, fluffy vs. contentious, etc.). That didn't happen. In retrospect, I wish it had. It may have helped some get past the idea that this was still Ross' place and still a great place to act out in ways I doubt they behave in real life.

Anyway, bottom line is: it's just no fun anymore. I don't know how to fix it. I don't think anybody does. And I think there are plenty of folks hoping that it a) doesn't go away and b) doesn't get fixed ... because if it were better - or if it were gone - they wouldn't be able to sit and watch and shake their heads and critique what is or isn't happening, all the while they refuse to participate, refuse to even try to make it work.

I've never been in favor of shutting it down, but I'm beginning to think it's the only solution for you, Kris ... let it go. If Ross wants it, let him take it back and deal with it. He created the monster. Clearly there are far more folks who are against this board than there are for it, for whatever reasons.

Regardless, I'm here until the lights go out. I don't expect all of my own decisions to eer be spot-on and I can't very well expect it from anyone else, and that includes Kris. I have no idea how I would have done anything any differently than Kris has done, tho I probably wouldn't have tolerated any of the bullshit nearly as well as she did.

And no, my post is NOT aimed at nobsy or newsy or anybody else who posted in this thread. It's just something I've been thinking about for awhile, and this seemed like a good opportunity to speak my mind.

[bluekazoo]

type: eer = ever

[nobs]

Kris

My post wasn't intended as a "blast" but just an expression of how I have been feeling seeing all of this unfold.

In every situation we always see "our" side and I apologize if you felt that I was too critical etc. I was merely writing a post in the style of your posting lately because that is how reading these threads make me feel.

I don't have any periferal "player" in this. I stand alone.

As far as way old history - as I recall (I am getting old now and the memory is not well) I sincerely apologized back then and you did not "let it go" when it all went down - that was the birth of Kris & Co. (which looking back may have been a good thing - in the end we hung out in the Baggage Car and joked - you and I - about it). I have never held any bad feelings - quite the opposite. If I didn't care, I would not have been moved to post. I have been seeing the changes in you and I DO understand that you have been through your own personal problems (that is why I didn't understand why you would take this on).

I know it was none of my business but I went there - for all of the folks I miss that if I wondered how they were I could drop by TRS. I managed to ignore the weezers and cheesers and washers. I would constantly post about how confusing it was for me to try and figure out who was whom and WTF was going on because I do not frequent those boards.

I frequent the Bombshelter and that keeps me in touch with many but it is a small group of us that have been together for years. No excitement, more of a coffee klatch mutual admiration and support group - you used to be there and are now gone. There are many who only showed up here.
I am not blaming you for what happened to this place - I know when it started changing and would see folks hanging in until I guess they got tired of the bs.
I know you had huge hopes for this place but I think you let it bring out your
personal feelings. We all react different to different situations. Some people get sad, some get aggressive, some just run away and throw their hands in the air. And it is a fine line between assertiveness and aggressiveness and even the politicians don't know true diplomacy. So I apologize if you feel I was harsh - because what matters is how my post was perceived by you and your reality - not how I felt when I wrote it (I probably should have just not posted it once I realized my computer didn't post the first post).

I really did not take the time with the way I said what I was feeling and I am not here to hurt anyone.

The way this whole board thing happened behooves me.

I do get along with just about everyone (and I like just about everyone) but I stand on my own and I don't let anyone influence me. I don't have time for it. That way - if something happens or feelings are hurt or I piss someone off - I take 100% responsibility for it.

I think Jamie is just about the only person I don't get along with and I try to ignore him and avoid him. I dislike his behavior - and have from his first appearance here when he was scamming folks and trying to steal Toy's thunder. His behavior has always repulsed me and i make no secret of it. But he has the same rights i do and i try to respect them (as hard as it is at times).

Newsie

Thank you, dear! But Kris can respond to me however she feels - I sort of thought I posted in haste after losing my original post. And I expected some kind of response.
You are one of the many I miss seeing. I hope all is well with you!
So seeing you is one good thing that came from this.

It gets dark on the East Coast at 4:30 and i need to go to the store for apples & peanut butter (great together).

I WILL stop back because I DO care about all of this. I am always wondering when I click the link if TRS will still be here.

I do hope if any decisions are made that they will be shared with those who have been here so we can at least feel that we mattered and know what is coming. I still am trying to get a personal thread (from when I lost my husband) from archives. It means a lot to me.

[sharronn]

Anyway, bottom line is: it's just no fun anymore.

Was it ever REALLY fun?

[rossshow]

It had it's moments of being fun, fun times were had here.

Can this board come back to life? Is it worth trying?

[Hepburn]

It might. If you get a new partner.

[Xmasjoy]

I'll do it !! 98 0/0 no rules ... a total free-for-all !!! :1rotflmao

[Hepburn]

One name.

ToyRanch.

[Xmasjoy]

Poetry, memoirs, and a Swap-Meet thrown in for free !! .....

[Xmasjoy]

Drama at every turn !! :1rotfl2:

Oh ... appears that my idea stinks ... :irollers2

[Hepburn]

And for old times sake...a totem, before I log back out.

I know TR hates me. Which proves I have no ulterior motives in that suggestion. He should have been named at the get go. Instead, he was fractioned by mommy and sent to his room, so to speak. And he never came back.

[bluekazoo]

Anyway, bottom line is: it's just no fun anymore.

Was it ever REALLY fun?

Yeah. In my opinion, it really was.

I made a few good friends on these oai-boards, going back to the original AW (pre-Vendio). Few of them remain, though ... some have died ... some have gone off to private boards ... some have disappeared completely with no trace ... but yeah, it used to be fun - in between the occasional weirdness or catfight, there are plenty of good memories, at least from my perspective ... live chats are fun, too, but there isn't even enough people around to have one of those anymore ...


It had it's moments of being fun, fun times were had here.

Can this board come back to life? Is it worth trying?

I agree there was fun, Ross ... but I can't answer your questions ... I thought those who were mad at you would come back when you left ... they didn't ... I thought once some of the loons were gone, some of the other posters would come back ... they didn't ... here and there people got pissed -- at Miv ... or at Kris ... or who knows if some of them even HAD reasons ... but they're gone.

I won't blame Kris for the way she's run things, because she ended up behind an unplayable 8-ball ...

This place can't be The Ross Show without Ross ... it can't be 'The Ross Show Lite', because that's a very gray area and won't please anyone ... it can't be fluff, because many people already do their fluff posting behind closed doors ... actually they do most of their gossiping behind those same closed doors, too.



I'm not sure what the solution is. I hope that Kris and Ross come up with one.

[bluekazoo]

isn't = aren't

[Hepburn]

Kris and Ross find a solution? Try just Ross. Didnt work with Kris. He needs a new partner. Or run it himself.

[paleryder]

Gawd, I miss the cheesers!!!!

[paleryder]

Did I miss the part where Toyranch wanted to run this place? Bobby did strike me as someone who wanted to lord over TRS.

[paleryder]

Did I miss the part where Toyranch wanted to run this place? Bobby did strike me as someone who wanted to lord over TRS.

did = DIDN'T

[Hepburn]

Dunno if he did or not. IMHO he would have done better. Shall I repeat that? IMHO. Mine. Speaking for myself. (one can never be too careful any more so one has to REPEAT...much good it does).

[Hepburn]

And being Ross' partner doesnt mean LORD OVER anyone. Thats the frigging problem NOW.

Whatever. What will be will be I guess.

[nobs]

Hi Kazoo

I have a lot of the same wishes.
I take it that you mean me in the "people" part who have said something to Kris so I will answer you.
I wanted to know why this was happening - the threads "setting the record straight" and the others that are similar. I saw a side of Kris that I didn't know existed. AND I felt that I could post here about it. Instead of running to PMs and emails and talking behind someone's back - I tend to just say it to their face when I have something that is really starting to bug me - as long as I do so in a reasonable, respectful manner. And I already apologized to Kris if my post was harsh. I don't feel that I HAVE to answer to you Kazoo but I do so out of what I think is mutual respect.
I want you to know that I hold NO grudges against anyone here.
When I found out about the betrayal going on (in the exodus thing of yesteryear) - I was at the Beta board (I forget what it was called). a lot of good people that I really liked were there and I am personally responsible (because I confronted said betrayal) for people being scattered as the board closed down when I chose to speak up. First the board owner posted all kinds of lies then when that didn't wash - the doors were closed to the chosen bunch she had there.
I was truly and sincerely sorry and I let Kris (and everyone involved) know it. I was kept in the dark and by the time I knew the truth I had said things that hurt others. I even jokingly made a remark on the early Ross Board that hurt someone I hold close to my heart (I didn't know her real well and my joke cut deep). To this day that person KNOWS how bad I feel about that but we let it be. We are way past it. And Kris KNOWS that I really (to this day) feel bad about all of what happened.
Looking back - it is just old news and one of life's lessons to me. I learned from it. I stay on the sidelines to this day because I believed someone who was using me and deceiving me. I was important because I was needed.

That is why I asked and that is why I posted.

I would LOVE to see everyone really get along and post harmoniously. I have no problem with disagreements but it got so out of hand here. I had no idea who was whom and what they were fighting about because I had long ago isolated myself from it. I also met a lot of new posters that I like big bunches.

I would usually have to ask stupid questions to understand WTF was going on.
I care about this board and I am sorry that it seemed like I was treating Kris unfairly.

Just rationally talking now is better than the threads of "explanations".

The one thing about "all are welcome" sort of backfired on Ross. I guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Hi Sharron

I think at one time there was a lot of good things that happened on these boards. Also a lot of disagreeable crap - but I always focused on the good.
When I lost my husband of almost 40 years 2 years ago, EVERYONE was tremendously kind and supportive. Few people know what my first 18 months were like but the support and kindness helped me literally survive. I was in a state where we moved to retire and I had no one there. I had my computer. And I don't care what anyone tells you - YES, you can make close friendships online. I have friends that I am very close to that I met 10 years ago on the "boards". I guess I am truly blessed.
I am still very grateful for friends and all of the support and the good times.
And I miss so many who are no longer here.

Kris
I hope that no matter what the future holds that you know that I sincerely meant the apology to you and Oddy. I didn't post behind any past feelings.
Oh hell, I should have just stayed away from here. It's your board and I don't want to step on anyone's fingers, toes or nose!

[paleryder]

Gawd, I miss the washers!!!!!

[bluekazoo]

No, nobsy, I really wasn't thinking about you (or newsy) when I wrote what I wrote ... that's why I ended my post with:

And no, my post is NOT aimed at nobsy or newsy or anybody else who posted in this thread. It's just something I've been thinking about for awhile, and this seemed like a good opportunity to speak my mind.
__________________


It's just stuff that was on my mind for a long time, and this seemed like a good time to say it ...

I didn't think you 'blasted' Kris, tho I know she felt blasted ... she's going through a lot right now in RL, and as we all know, when we're going through RL stuff, everything in our lives takes on strange perspective, like looking at the world through a cracked glass ... I've been there ... you've been there ... I would imagine most of us have at one time or another ...

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with talking to Kris about things that are going on here ... I know that mostly I'm grateful that she stepped up when Ross lost interest, and I am pretty sure others that have stayed on here feel that way, too ...

Nobsy, you're one of the folks I'm always glad to see here! One of the few left from those long-ago days ...

I'm sorry you missed my last paragraph and thought I was speaking specifically about you and newsy - I wasn't ... but this isn't the first time I've thought about all this stuff, like I said, it was just an opportunity for me to voice my own opinions about it all ...

I apologize if I contributed to any misunderstandings.

[bluekazoo]

btw, that 'beta board' stuff ... doesn't that seem like a million years ago? egads, things certainly got twisted and weird early-on ... maybe it's all been doomed from the start ...

Nah, I'm not buying the doomed thing ... but there sure is a heck of a lot of shared history, isn't there?

[paleryder]

Is this like intermission?

Ok then. until things heat up.... (Can you tell I really want to see some LIFE on this board? :1jester:)

Few days ago (Nov 9) in Maryland.....Fire in the sky.

[Hepburn]

Does this mean Im not wanted to be logged out yet?

Wanna fight? That always gets people to lookyloo. :sm1122: :1rotfl2:

[bluekazoo]

Yes ... intermission ...

Beautiful sunset!

Did you get any of the full moon the other night? If I had a camera with a decent zoom I would have tried to snag that one myself ...

We don't seem to get too many gorgeous sunsets here, tho sunrises are often pretty spectacular ...

[toke]

I know I'm going to sound ridiculous...but, hey. I am. I've never given 2 shits about ANY board. Just the people posting on it. Not posters...people that are posting. There's a big difference there that is seldom acknowledged in all its messy reality.

What can I say...I hate to let go. I hold many folks dear...most of whom I met way back on AW. I hate to lose them. All this is just too sad for words. Loss after loss. It's just too much.

[bluekazoo]

Toke, you've always had a very level head about most stuff (going all the way back to AW, in fact!) ...

What would you see as a way to repair or remake or reconstruct something good out of what's left?

[paleryder]

We don't seem to get too many gorgeous sunsets here, tho sunrises are often pretty spectacular ...

You're from West Virginia......

You guys have....great.......um......great.......um........ I know...... You guys have great coal! :1jester:

[bluekazoo]

bwahahahaha ....

:1rotflmao

I can't argue with that, PR ... if anybody wants to see the beautiful West Virginia mountains they better get here fast, before they're all gone! The damned coal companies are blowing them up and scraping the coal out as we speak ...

[toke]

Toke, you've always had a very level head about most stuff (going all the way back to AW, in fact!) ...

What would you see as a way to repair or remake or reconstruct something good out of what's left?

Frankly, I don't see a way. Some of my favorite folks, like Hep, for instance...hold grudges that they'll never let go. That just poisons everything. My priorities are different, I guess. It would be hard for anyone to dislike another as much as I've disliked Mivona. Since 9/11, in fact. Yet, recently, I've done my best to put my feelings aside, in order to be able to post alongside of her in a reasonably amicable fashion. It didn't kill me. Or Mivona.

I don't see too many others willing to do that. If that willingness does not exist...we're just fucked, IMO.

[Hepburn]

huh? I hold grudges, Toke? Nuh uh!!! Or did you mean some hold grudges against ME? If thats what you meant...um hm. ;)

[toke]

Heya, Hep. :)

[nobs]

{{{{Toke-Sis}}}}

Then maybe it will still be here. I know I will always be an email away, Sis.
I feel like you do - that is why I opened my big trap.
I should be constructively thinking and not posting emotionally.
I feel bad because I did not mean to be hurtful or accusatory and I was.

Josey

You have such a good eye and sense of color.
I have always loved your pictures (and Hep's paintings).
I went to Rehoboth Beach MD a couple weeks ago with my son and DIL. We went down to the Beach (I forgot the name) where the horses come up to you. They stuck their head right in the van and my son was telling my DIL "Snap the picture before I'm his lunch". We got some great shots. You aren't supposed to feed the horses but I couldn't resist. I had apples :).
It was the roughest Ferry Ride to get there from the NJ side. I got woozy - even the regulars did.
Anyhow - I saw a sunset that I will never forget.
My son & DIL go there in the Summer for a couple days (they have a friend that has a house there that they use). They showed me the house and it was just a little 2 BR house on a lagoon and he was asking 625K!!!!!! And he had dropped the price.
It IS a beautiful vacation spot.
I live in a vacation area. Same thing with housing. Waterfront property is always expensive. I am a mile away so I just drive there.
I saw a few fruit, vegetable stands (in MD) and thought of you. But these must have been seasonal because they were closed already. No pumpkins or Christmas Trees.
We had a nice seafood dinner at a popular seafood place and I enjoyed myself bunches. We were supposed to go to NYC to my old neighborhood but found out it was the Sunday of the big marathon (NOT a good day to drive in NYC) so we headed South.

[nobs]

Gosh I type slow - by the time I am addressing one thing - a lot is going on.
My fingers ain't what they used to be.

[toke]

Heya, dear Nobs-sis...

Any time you post emotionally, it's constructive. Nothing but. :) :) :)

[Hepburn]

Heya Toke. :)

[toke]

I'm so glad to see you, Hep...I feared you were gone forever. I sure wish you'd stick around. This joint ain't the same without you.

[nobs]

I agree Hep, stick around.
This is TRS and all are welcome!

[Hepburn]

lol. Thats nice to read, Toke and Nobs. It really is. I havent disappeared. I just logged out, but I read here.

Ill see what happens first, if you dont mind. Im a more timid Hep than Mean Ol Hep now.

[toke]

Ack. Forget "timid and mean ol"...just be our old friend Maui. She's great. :)

[paleryder]

The boards, the POSTERs, the times.....all have changed. You can't bottle yesterday. A moment in time, an archived thread, a laugh,..... all can be reviewed and remembered (much like a photo) but you can't relive it.

We get one shot, just one, to get it right the first time. Do that, you've got a fond memory for tomorrow, .....but that's all it is ..........a memory.

Memories fade away.......even the good ones. One day, we will too.

[bluekazoo]

The boards, the POSTERs, the times.....all have changed. You can't bottle yesterday. A moment in time, an archived thread, a laugh,..... all can be reviewed and remembered (much like a photo) but you can't relive it.

We get one shot, just one, to get it right the first time. Do that, you've got a fond memory for tomorrow, .....but that's all it is ..........a memory.

Memories fade away.......even the good ones. One day, we will too.

Well, it's always nicer to relive memories with old friends, rather than alone, isn't it? 'Remember when' is always fun, but I don't believe that it's all that's left us (apologies to Simon & Garfunkle, and all that) ... we all have a 'present' and a 'future', for whatever days we have left ... whether we choose to spend some time together, hanging out, during that time, is always an option, if we choose to exercise it. The thing that gets in the way are those old bugaboos of human nature: pride, stubbornness, jealousy, and so on ... you know, the old 'seven deadlies' ...

[Hepburn]

We aint dead yet, Wales. At least I aint. 10 years (give or take) is a helluva long time to invest on people most of us have never met. Think on that a moment. YEARS. My memories never fade away if they are good ones.

Signed...Maui. :D

[sharronn]

I agree it was fun at times but there was and is a lot that wasn't fun.

The constant "you betrayed me" "you called me such and such" reminds me of junior high girls...they are friends today and in a cat fight the next and bosum buddies the third. I have found it hard to believe we are mature adults.

Then there ie the name calling, the biting comments for those we disagree with, the foul language...definately mature actions.

I think the thing that has bothered me most was the attitude that this is all a game. I remember one time Ross was ripping a new one to someone he thought was an ebay stooge. When I called him on what he was saying and how it could hurt the person, his reaction was..."this is flaming (I think that was the term), there is nothing wrong with it, it's part of the internet.

I was recently reading another board where one guy gets really foul to liberals, gays, athiest etc. When asked if he believed what he said he replied "You don't take any of this serious do you, it's just fun"

Not my definition of fun:irollers2

[la gazza ladra]

I agree with runfa [big fucking surprise there, huh?] and with nobs and newsy.


Nobs is nothing if not honest and open. All this talk about being able to talk is ok, except that Kris has to get a 'tude. And she gets it with the people she professes to care about. At least Nobs is being straight about it, and she'll take the hits and own her feelings and and consider Kris' reactions without getting a 'tude of her own.

Newsy has had to put up with stuff on here that makes me cringe. We have had our disagreements, but they have never been about more than what is posted. Neither she, nor I, have filled in the blanks to get to a place where we could snark for the mere purpose of a disagreement. We haven't had a disagreement in a long while. [probably owing to the fact we haven't engaged or we feel differently or something or TRS is different].


As far as mivvie. I like her. I have never had a problem with her. White owl is as useless as cat box offerings, IMO. The sun could rise and WO would have some sort of useless comment filled with expletives to denigrate it. Kris seems to favor him. I don't know anybody else here who does. Hep is fine with me. I don't want to be her penpal or anything, but as a poster, she's as good as anybody else here. I liked TR fine as well. Some of my favorites are gone from here. No bother, I interact with them elsewhere.

As far as the interboard Hep/Kris thing versus the other [titular factions previously mentioned], how is one more valid than the others? Is it because the board co-owner has her program, and the rest of any disagreements are shut down forthwith? That's the way it comes off to me and a lot of others. Kris is automatically dismissive of certain people. Is it history? Is it scuttlebutt? I don't know. It breeds apathy as far as contributions made here though. As bad as Ross is [hypothetically, not actually....I'm pandering to the new and unimproved thesis purveyors] he always seemed to be able to look at something without inserting his own psychosis into it. He has opinions, but they're his opinions, he doesn't expect you to adopt them as your own.

There are rules. But they aren't for everybody. They're inartfully applied. All well and good.......except that some sort of rationalization always follows. If you want to break your own rules, just do it.......snark about it, brag about it even. Don't go into a convoluted BS diatribe about why you did it. You're not very good at it.

[toke]

Ah. This is good. G'night Maui & all. :) :) :)

BTW,Josey...I don't want to relive anything. I'd just like the good times to continue. Nothing's impossible, IMO. Time has passed god knows, but we're the same people. Older...but the same. My regard for the people I care about hasn't changed, nor has the value I place on them. I get pissed at my husband all the time...it means nothing. I love him all the time, too.

[Hepburn]

Its called The Ross Show. And if Ross cant run it, then he needs to find someone who can and the one he "hired" didnt work. And if that doesnt work...then whats the use?

I loved seeing a few say they liked seeing me again here. But I cant guarantee Ill be staying. Ill read it from time to time, but be a prolific poster again? Dont know. Depends on who is running it. It isnt working as it is now and hasnt since Ross left.

[Hepburn]

G'night Toke. Sleep well. :)

[nobs]

Josey

You're gonna make me cry!


Hep

That's it. Don't worry, be Maui! You have always brought your own uniqueness to these boards.

Like Josey said - yesterday is gone and we can't relive it (God, I WISH I could - I would give anything to bring back my yesterdays).
So just start from today and live each day as it comes. We never know when it may be our time. None of us are Spring Chickens anymore.

[paleryder]

The good times are still here.....not as plentiful as they once where. Some have receded from view.

Time changes things. I know more today than I did yesterday. That's not always a good thing.


I loved seeing a few say they liked seeing me again here. But I cant guarantee Ill be staying. Ill read it from time to time, but be a prolific poster again? Dont know. Depends on who is running it. It isnt working as it is now and hasnt since Ross left.

hahaha.....Cut it out. You're killing me. .....The clock has ticked it's last tock?...............again? :1rotfl2:

[paleryder]

where= were

[nobs]

My son called and my post was delayed.

I am sorry I missed the posts that were here.

La Gazza

Hi - thank you. It's GOOD to see you again and I think your post speaks to what I was feeling when i posted.

Aw, I missed saying good-night to Toke. And it feels good to see that feelings can be expressed without any bloodshed or foul language.

Sharron

I wish I would have known that when it happened - I would have told you that you just can't take Ross serious sometimes (back then - most of the time).
He had a rough rep for that bad boy stuff back then. I bet if you peeled away the layers you would find feelings there just like ours and a heart that is similar.
I met Ross before AW and he was a handful - but he stood for what he felt back then.
And BTW - in case I haven't told you - it is nice to see you again.
I feel like AW was a lifetime ago.

[paleryder]

:sm1194: Kris ain't Ross.......With Kris, you get Kris. Not Ross. This place changed because time forced changes on TRS. Ross helped change it. He booked. You helped change it. Me too.

I think your beef is with Ross, or it should be if you insist on TRS being TRS of old.

:sm1194: again.......If Ross came back and ended the "partnership"... TRS you seek from days gone bye......it still ain't coming back. That Ross show is gone forever.....It happens.

[Hepburn]

The good times are still here.....not as plentiful as they once where. Some have receded from view.

Time changes things. I know more today than I did yesterday. That's not always a good thing.




hahaha.....Cut it out. You're killing me. .....The clock has ticked it's last tock?...............again? :1rotfl2:


Dont make me all hot and steamy now with tocking my tick, bub.

[paleryder]

Today is the Nov14 2008 edition of TRS .

Tomorrow, the NOV 15 edition relegates the Nov 14th edition to history.

No do-overs for the 14th.....It's in the books. Done. Over.

We might cherish the past, but we live in the moment.

There's no getting around that.

[Aadani]

Heck I dont have time to keep up with the fights. Thought it was still 'all welcome'

Have no clue who most of the new factions are :1crazy2:

Its just nice 'seeing' everyone. Even if I cant post during 'prime time' due to being ont he opposite side of the world now .. :D

If the board causes kris too much stress..then she probbaly should give it a break. Stress does not bring out the best in anyone. Health > boards, always.

[bluekazoo]

Time changes things. I know more today than I did yesterday. That's not always a good thing.


That's so true. And at the risk of falling back on cliches, all too often familiarity truly does breed contempt. After the passage of so much time, so much history, and so much new knowledge, it becomes a matter of whether people can rise above it all and still move forward.

G'night all.

[Hepburn]

Well..it has been nice, but...I dont have that mindset. I, like nobs and toke, want to relive what was and try to recapture that..and some dont think it can happen. Id rather see the glass half full.

Yall take care.

[nobs]

Josey

Was you posting to me, dear?

If so - I am aware of changes and the difference between Ross & Kris and all of that.
I don't want the old Ross Show back.
I was just pissy because so many folks have left and I already said that I should have just ignored what was here and went about my life.

But I DO miss a lot of the people who used to be here and I am still a bit miffed about seeing all the personal stuff getting Kris' side told when I didn't even see what was the story and then people being told to "fuck off" if they said anything. (I can only imagine what goes on in email and PM)

The posters here ARE TRS.
It's like I used to tell sellers on ebay about their customers. With no buyers you have no business.

With no posters there is is no TRS. I am not laying blame on anyone. I think if anyone does have an interest it should be Ross but it seems it doesn't matter to him (i feel like a clock is ticking down). I don't know if it much matters to Kris. She said it doesn't so apparently not.

I just hope if the plug gets pulled, that people get told. Some people have supported this board with their presence and donations for years. I don't know the particulars because I personally haven't seen a request for donations and I have no idea who is going to do what or what is going on with Ross. He does not feel a need to mention it so I don't feel a need to ask. I wish him well no matter what direction his future takes.

Has anyone asked about the future of TRS? Does anyone know if the board is closing? Are we allowed to ask?? Am I stepping on toes again?? :)

Good night y'all (from the slowest typer here). Stay happy & healthy!

[krisinluck]

Toke covered it for me in her first two posts to this after I left. It was never about THIS BOARD; it was about some of the people at this board.
The boards, the POSTERs, the times.....all have changed. You can't bottle yesterday. A moment in time, an archived thread, a laugh,..... all can be reviewed and remembered (much like a photo) but you can't relive it.

We get one shot, just one, to get it right the first time. Do that, you've got a fond memory for tomorrow, .....but that's all it is ..........a memory.

Memories fade away.......even the good ones. One day, we will too.AMEN.

Its called The Ross Show. And if Ross cant run it, then he needs to find someone who can and the one he "hired" didnt work. He didn't hire me, Hep. If anything, I've paid for this gig. And I'm not just talking time and stress and bad feelings, either.

You want it shut down because you want your history erased. You may get your wish, but you will never be able to erase the number of people you have burned over the years.

Nobs, it's fine. I'm not pissed. Truly. Say what you want to. Ross is in the building, and that works for me.

I'm out for the night.

[thebigkahooouna]

[


I went to Rehoboth Beach MD a couple weeks ago with my son and DIL. We went down to the Beach (I forgot the name) where the horses come up to you.




It might be this place-Assateague National Seashore -

[White Owl]

White owl is as useless as cat box offerings, IMO.

Fuck you La Gazza(Director Skinner)

BTW, fucktard, Kris asked you MONTHS ago....are you director skinner on Lee's train wreck board? You know, the board where you gleefully tell lies about people having AIDS when they in fact do not? Or how about using innocent peoples pictures for horrible avatars? Come on, La Gazza.....lets put into the light exactly what kind of person you really are?:sm1122:

I'm game. By the time I am through with you, EVERYONE here will know what kind of monster you really are, you fucking unwanted cheeser.

so answer the fucking question. ARE YOU SKINNER ON LEE's BOARD OR NOT?

[White Owl]

(yes she is, btw...but is too fucking chickenshit to admit it.)

[newslady]

If you think you were pained by my response, you shoulda been inside my skin when I read her post in the first place. I expect that kind of blasting (and if you think she didn't blast me, read it again) from some people here; I did not expect it from her. The first time it happened was right after the exodus, and I let it go. Emotions were running high, and at that point, I was still attempting to give people at least some gossip by keeping up on the FRMMS that was going on at yTF.

I did not blast Nobs. I responded to her post to me in detail; because I'm sick to death of being put on that particular hot seat repeatedly this past year.

The biggest change in my life is that I'm past letting things that wound me go drifting past like they don't matter or don't hurt me. I no longer sit quietly when I'm wounded; I do my best to explain myself and then detach. If I fuck up, I own it. That's tough for the people around me to take, both online and off, because it is different from what they have known from me all these years. I've had to adjust to that, in many cases, by letting that person go from my life...which is a big difference from the years of sucking up for more just so I would not lose them. Number One Lesson: comfort zones are not necessarily healthy.

You are correct that these boards are not our lives. Can you tell me why that has to mean I should say "fuck it" to TRS? Is it because the posters who actually contribute to anything other than to tell me I'm not doing it the way they think I should and/or I should shut it down can't quite carry the whole weight of keeping it "alive"?

I'm not seeing it.

I miss seeing you, and Nobs, and countless others who were the very reasons I took this gig. From here, it appears that grudges against people who aren't even around anymore keep them from participating, even though the endless Cheeser bullshit has been stopped. Besdies, it's much more fun to sit in the private boards and poke holes in every attempt I have made in the last year. It's entertaining. I get that; I really do. BTDT.

I won't ever do it again, though.

Whatever ends up happening with the history held in this site and the future of this place will happen based on whether or not it's worth something to anyone besides me and the handful of people who still seem to give a damn and/or enjoy the company of those who are still posting here.


Kris,

I quoted your entire post from earlier, just so I could reply appropriately. I hope you don't think I was criticizing, belittling, etc you. I was not.

However, you did blast Nobs, you've blasted others as well. (in the past) You've also taken a lot of shit for the last seversl month.

[RunFaYaLife]

RunFa only posts to stir shit.

I think you better back that stale dismissive attempt short bus up there
Kris.

My post precipitated an actual HONEST dialogue here which is a hell of a lot more than your one sided rants have been able to do.

She's been moderated and taken forced vacations from here more than once due to her issues with anyone who doesn't see things her way, and her tendency to throw ancient history and real names around.

Yes I have and unfairly in several cases I might add.
Your demerit system according to your own rules ..which you have broken on a continual basis is verra biased.
Yet...I have never cried to you in PM's about it as even you have admitted or on the board for that matter.
Unlike some others...........

She has the choice to stay or go. I urge her to go someplace she can be happier with the atmosphere. I think most of us are well aware of where that is.

No you do not. know.
I have have been going *other places* for quite a while now.
As have others ...only they do not return.
So do not impede your stressful personal life with what I *should* do or for that matter *where* I might be doing it.
I hate to break it to you but this is not the end of the internet.
I came forth and posted what a lot of other's have obviously been thinking for quite a while.
It appears you cannot even take honesty and constructive criticism for some of your oldest friends.
Kris OWN IT.


Speaking of shit stirrers and bringers up of ancient history....
What meaningful contributions has this added to any of this open and honest dialogue ?

11-13-2008, 08:40 PM
White Owl
Rossite Archdeacon Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 387

Runfa, once again you are frigging CLUELESS. Go figure. Agent X...er, Runfa, I was FUCKING BANNED. Therefore no PM access. No way to bitch and moan, you know, what you do 24/7.......about it.

How about this? You go back to Lee's board, post your libelous, hateful shit and leave this board alone?

11-14-2008, 09:46 PM
White Owl
Rossite Archdeacon Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 387



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Quote:
White owl is as useless as cat box offerings, IMO.

Fuck you La Gazza(Director Skinner)

BTW, fucktard, Kris asked you MONTHS ago....are you director skinner on Lee's train wreck board? You know, the board where you gleefully tell lies about people having AIDS when they in fact do not? Or how about using innocent peoples pictures for horrible avatars? Come on, La Gazza.....lets put into the light exactly what kind of person you really are?

I'm game. By the time I am through with you, EVERYONE here will know what kind of monster you really are, you fucking unwanted cheeser.

so answer the fucking question. ARE YOU SKINNER ON LEE's BOARD OR NOT?

11-14-2008, 09:54 PM
White Owl
Rossite Archdeacon Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 387


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(yes she is, btw...but is too fucking chickenshit to admit it.)


Seriously?

At the very least we did learn one thing...you and r0ss are making other plans. whatever that means.

[krisinluck]

Kris,

I quoted your entire post from earlier, just so I could reply appropriately. I hope you don't think I was criticizing, belittling, etc you. I was not.

However, you did blast Nobs, you've blasted others as well. (in the past) You've also taken a lot of shit for the last seversl month.First of all...at exactly what point you would say "taking a lot of shit" becomes having taken *enough* shit? That's what I want to know from those who seem to think any of this was easy. At what point am I allowed to blast right back at those who blast at me?

Regardless of where your level is, I will make my own choices as to my own. Especially in relation to things that I have poured a lot into. This board is just the example that you have to work with, but it is NOT the only example of that in my world.

And in my defense, I did not bring up hurtful things from 9 or 10 years ago in my response to her. I did not point fingers at her but once in the whole response - and that was minor compared to May as well give it the name I used many years ago. Only there is less "& Co." these days.You weren't there in those days.

And, of course, all that history is lost now. Erase it so no one down the road can see in hindsight what games were played by who. Board go bye bye and those who come later...well, they come in clueless. Sometimes those who were there forget - *waves hand*. I was even able to laugh about it all these years later, until I read that. Never mind that I - and my "& Co." proved not to be so wrong in the end.

Those were difficult days, and that comment brought back things I thought were long gone and over.

RunFa, let me make this clear. I pay the goddamned bills here, at least for now. I'm not backing up that bus - the tread marks are right where they ought to be in terms of the three or four lines I posted regarding you in my entire response to Nobs. I'm not backing up ANY bus you think I ought to back up, because we couldn't be more polar opposite when it comes to right and wrong. That's not because you post at the Wreck, either. You've shown it right here on this board, and have done so for far longer than you should have been able to.

[zeldas]

I do not think you can blame one special moderator, or one special poster for the decrease of activity here.

Things have changed, the internet has changed. Lots of smaller boards have sprung up, with more intimate settings. Places where people with the same interest and mindsets can gather . Nothing stays the same. The way of big OAI boards no longer exists. Look at how many boards you have to choose from?
When TRS opened it was THE board. I know I came here because Of Ross's lunacy. He was and always will be TRS.

Kris could have survived if she changed this board completely, but she was always handicapped because you just cannot step in after a ROSS.

I have no solutions for this board, nice to see a few old posters here tonight like Nobs and Newsie. One chapter closes and another one opens. If Ross has no interests in returning, and Kris has too much on her plate right now why try & beat a dead horse? I hate to see the old place go. Yes there is a lot of memories, stories, historys, people here. But, sometimes it is best to just remember. If you lasted ten years look at it this way you have had a good run.

[RunFaYaLife]

RunFa, let me make this clear. I pay the goddamned bills here, at least for now.

Ahh I see you are once again attempting to whip out your little dictatorship magic wand spiel yet again.... Kris.

If you had not lorded it over people and used it in such a biased fashion and so many times perhaps...someone might give a damn.

As you can tell ..your feeble attempts are met with tepidness.


I'm not backing up that bus - the tread marks are right where they ought to be in terms of the three or four lines I posted regarding you in my entire response to Nobs. I

Well you just keep driving that bus straight down the highway to hell
that you are on.

The "three or four lines" you are trying to down play down meant something to ME.

You Kris.... are covered in tread marks.

YOU are the one responsible for killing this board and you KNOW it.
Even your own old time poster friends are telling you this...yet you cannot admit that YOU WERE WRONG in the way you have run rough shod over so many.

WHY?

'm not backing up ANY bus you think I ought to back up, because we couldn't be more polar opposite when it comes to right and wrong.

Yeah in this case....I am RIGHT and you are WRONG.

But you just keep on twisting the facts to suit your reality.

Good luck with that.

[RunFaYaLife]

BTW Zelda 3 snaps.

Your post was right on the money.

[VocalVixen]

I've been quite busy these days with reconstruction from Hurricane Ike still in progress, so I understand how real life has to take over our escape to boardieland.

kris, this is in no way meant as a criticism to you, but with my life as busy as it is now, there is no way I can find the time to post - much less attempt to run a board. How do you expect to work outside of the home, take care of your business AND run this board alone? I just can't fathom it.

I am still not on my feet and will not be until after Christmas probably - if I'm not in debt up to my ass by then. I wonder where this board will be by then.

[krisinluck]

I've been quite busy these days with reconstruction from Hurricane Ike still in progress, so I understand how real life has to take over our escape to boardieland.

kris, this is in no way meant as a criticism to you, but with my life as busy as it is now, there is no way I can find the time to post - much less attempt to run a board. How do you expect to work outside of the home, take care of your business AND run this board alone? I just can't fathom it.

I am still not on my feet and will not be until after Christmas probably - if I'm not in debt up to my ass by then. I wonder where this board will be by then.VV, that didn't feel like criticism at all. It's all in the way it's presented, and I thank you for that.

Zelda, too. And several others.

[Doofy]

I think Ross had it right way back when he said a board is what you make it.

If you don't like the direction its headed, start a new thread in a direction your interested in.

If all the people that have posted in this one thread, started one new thread about something that interests them, who knows what might happen.

For me TRS is the last of an era. Which means its worth saving.

I think PaleRyder also had it right, there are defenitly some things I dissagreed with Kris over, but what would be the purpose of hanging on to that.

That was yesterday, and this is today.

I'm going to start at least one thread today, and I ask those who are interested in seeing TRS move forward do the same.

[krisinluck]

Doofy - thank you.

[nobs]

Kris

You really can't let anything go. And you seem to have this need to be right -
(as per your quote that you were proved to be not so wrong).

I think that your behavior then was really pissy and I apologized for what I said - openly - on the boards as I don't do behind the scenes email - that was hurtful to you and Oddy. The "& Co." was 3 (maybe 4) people including you that seemed to follow your actions and deeds and mimic them - and yes, I did make that observation. It seems that YOU can say any thing you want here to hurt and belittle others that you don't agree with but if someone says one thing that you can pick apart you will. It was MY observation and I don't even think anyone (other than maybe Kazoo) really paid any mind to it.
I was targeted by you once, many years ago and I apologized for my saying something hurtful that I said in jest on the original Ross Board and that you started pages of a thread about me on. The same crap you still do.
You have a need to be right, Kris and no one is always right - we are humans and humans make mistakes.
My apology stands - for back then and for my post - so can you puh-leeze let it be. Life is too short.
You can have your ocean and play in your waves. You can treat everyone any way you like and burn up the email and PM with your hate. You can accuse others of doing what you yourself do. They obviously don't mind.
I been there, done that and I am still standing, I still have the same friends as I always had and have made new friendships and relationships.
I said that I should have not posted (I can admit when I am wrong) or opened my mouth.
Nothing seems to be good enough for you. You don't want to have a board with people that are free to post and interact. That much you have shown.
What you want is to be RIGHT. That is okay when you're a kid but I am reaching 59.
So here is what you need to feel. This concerns the present...
YOU are right
I was wrong
The End


It was nice to see you, Zelda!

Kazoo,
I am going to ask you something out of the old friendship we shared - when you read this - please don't even bother to post concerning me. Keep it in email between you and Kris. I just don't have the stomach for this anymore. I don't wish to go through any of this right now (or ever). And I know that you and Kris are close and (naturally) you are protective. I just am SO sick of this. I don't want it to continue. At least with me having any part of it.

[bluekazoo]

Kazoo,
I am going to ask you something out of the old friendship we shared - when you read this - please don't even bother to post concerning me. Keep it in email between you and Kris. I just don't have the stomach for this anymore. I don't wish to go through any of this right now (or ever). And I know that you and Kris are close and (naturally) you are protective. I just am SO sick of this. I don't want it to continue. At least with me having any part of it.


I have absolutely NO FREAKING idea what this means.

I haven't posted concerning you, nobs, except to try and set the record straight when you took my general thoughts personally. I even sent you a PM last night, when I realized you were still under the impression that I had posted in response to your post, rather than the way it really was.

In fact, if you had read my initial post in this thread, and a post I made after that, you would have seen that I specifically said that my thoughts had far less to do with anyone in this thread and far more to do with things I have been thinking of for quite some time. Let me try one more time: my thoughts had nothing to do with your comments (or newsy's followup comments) and everything to do with how I have been feeling for quite some time (probably going back to when Kris first took over the reins here and the criticism began). It simply wasn't about you, nobs. It was about my own feelings of how this shit has gone down in the past many months.

If you choose to ignore that, it's certainly your right to do so. But had I known that you would (now) intentionally misread things I've said and take them personally, I wouldn't have even bothered to try and set the record straight.

And yes, you are right: Kris and I are friends. But as you are well aware, it is possible to keep friendships and board stuff completely separate. If people were unable to do this, I doubt most of us would be speaking to each other after so many years, filled with so much back-biting and duplicity and he-said/she-said.

I have not always agreed with every decision Kris has made here on the board, but that does not affect my friendship with her - probably because I opt to discuss such things with her in PM.

So ... you want me to stop addressing you now? I shouldn't point out that you were NOT the catalyst for my post and it had nothing to do with you? I shouldn't tell you that I've always enjoyed seeing you posting out and about? Well, when the day comes that we lose the right to point out where someone misread something we said - when the day comes that we are told that we aren't entitled to have an opinion about things - when the day comes that we shouldn't bother trying to maintain long-term relationships, to get past misunderstandings and straighten things out, then sure ... I'll stop addressing you, nobs. Hell, at that point, I'll stop talking to everybody, because what would be the point??

In the meantime, just put me on ignore if you find my posts so bothersome, because as far as I'm concerned, posting on topic here is what we do, and since there are only a few of us who even bother to post anymore, I don't intend to stop posting.

It's possible for someone to take just about anyone's post and make it 'about themselves', if that's how they read things. I'll never take responsibility for the way people choose to read my words. What I say is on me. But how people read it and interpret it is entirely on them, particularly after I've made several attempts to clarify it.

Honestly, when things like this happen, it boggles the mind ... why do we even bother with this chatboard shit, eh? At least in the real world, a person is allowed the opportunity to make themselves understood, because they have the benefit of face to face communication, body language, etc. - not to mention the opportunity to throw up their hands, shake their head and walk away.

You misread my post, nobs, failing to read the final paragraph. You missed it when I said it again further in the thread. You missed it in a PM I sent you. You make a mistake by attempting to judge my intent, nobs. And you judged incorrectly. I'm sorry that you did, but it's not my fault that you did.

[paleryder]

so I understand how real life has to take over our escape to boardieland.

That's one of the problems with escaping to "boardieland" ....

You customize :1artist: your own personal "boardieland" landscape(escape) and RL creeps in, or some poster with big feet comes along and tramples on your tulips.

The last few years..... it's hard to figure out what the message is on these message boards.

[krisinluck]

Hey, Nobs. I'm not always right. I've owned up and apologized for much over the years I've been on these boards. Not sure what makes you think I don't own the shit I did back in the day, because all I said in my last post regarding you was how much that hurt to have those days brought back up.

I did things that weren't kosher; I've bared my claws and drawn blood and been wrong wrong wrong more than once - but on that particular topic, I was right. Is it so awful to claim that after being the most vocal of three or four who saw it early on - and managed to escape before it got really bad? If those boards had not disappeared into the ether, I'd be claiming exactly the things I did and said. I know it would make me squirm, but I'd own it.

But again, the history is GONE, and all that remains are the memories of those of us who were there on one side or the other during high drama. Out of AD, AU, AR, GB, the original Diner that was attached to a board I can't even remember the name of and a few others, all that remains is the archives of the largely anonymous AC.

As for Kazoo emailing me about you...what the hell is that about? We talk in email about a lot of things; of the people on these boards, she's the only one who knows much at all of my real life. That, and her life, and politics, are our topics of conversation. These boards may have hatched the friendship, but it is not the crux of it in any way.

[bluekazoo]

The last few years..... it's hard to figure out what the message is on these message boards.


A hearty "Amen" to that comment!


The whole idea of 'escaping to the boards' is a sad concept. I admit that's probably how I got involved in the ebay boards, AW, etc. initially ... it all came about during a big transition in our personal lives, and it was great to find a group of people to talk to during a difficult time. However, now it's far more about keeping in touch with a handful of people, rather than escaping (at least for me, anyway). As that handful gets smaller and smaller, I suppose the desire to even bother just dies away ... that, in the larger scheme of things, is probably a good thing, since in general these boards are quite toxic, having become breeding grounds for bickering and jabbing and smearing, rather than what they could be as a place for camaraderie and general conversation.

Now it would appear that message boards are, in many cases, just another social experiment that ultimately brings out the worst in many.

[krisinluck]

Son of a bitch my timing sucks.

I got home, poured coffee, read the latest blast from Nobs, and responded. That Kazoo has some nerve showing up while I'm gone and composing away so it looks like we're in cahoots or something.

Jesus. What a waste of time.

[bluekazoo]

As for Kazoo emailing me about you...what the hell is that about? We talk in email about a lot of things; of the people on these boards, she's the only one who knows much at all of my real life. That, and her life, and politics, are our topics of conversation. These boards may have hatched the friendship, but it is not the crux of it in any way.

Kris, nobs' comment was so off the wall that I have no idea what the intention was.

But you are right; we talk about many things, and lately it's been 'everything but the boards' ... I'm not sure why that is anybody's business, anyway, but it is the truth. And if this board were dead and gone tomorrow, I have no doubt that we would find a way to stay in touch and continue to be a part of each other's lives, regardless. As I said in my post to nobs, it really is possible to keep friendships and boards separate, if people choose to do so.


Now - onto better thoughts ... I like doofy's idea about starting a 'new thread a day' .. I'll be back later to do that very thing, after a shopping run right now between rain showers ...

[paleryder]

Come on...

Do I really have to start another SARAH PAILIN IS HOT!!!!!!!! thread?

:000000rockinross:

[bluekazoo]

Son of a bitch my timing sucks.

I got home, poured coffee, read the latest blast from Nobs, and responded. That Kazoo has some nerve showing up while I'm gone and composing away so it looks like we're in cahoots or something.

Jesus. What a waste of time.

Oh lmao, kris, it's not the first time we were out of sync.

I'm sure that if anybody wants to think this was some kind of plan on our part, they would know that we'd have been better at it than THIS!

And now I'm dashing out before it rains again.

[bluekazoo]

Come on...

Do I really have to start another SARAH PAILIN IS HOT!!!!!!!! thread?

:000000rockinross:


Noooooooo!!!!!!

Unless it's all you've got ....

[bluekazoo]

I'm home. I didn't make it before it started raining again. Now I'm wet.

the original Diner that was attached to a board I can't even remember the name of

That was AuctionPatrol - one of my own personal favorites. Until very recently the archives were still available at baypal, but they recently made some (server?) changes or something and those archives are now apparently lost as well. I always enjoyed re-reading some of those threads, back when people actually talked ABOUT stuff, rather than just talked AT each other or around each other ... interaction instead of parallel-play ...

AP is probably tied for 'most pleasant board experience' with AD, IMO ... damn, we had a lot of fun there. A few of those folks still show up from time to time, but most of them are long gone (but never forgotten). The fact that AP was such a good board is probably why I found all the Paul-bashing so upsetting after the AU meltdown. I never felt that Paul deserved the blame for AU falling apart. There were so many other things that were wrong with that experiment ... it was pretty much the beginning of the board heirarchy that we still see today, complete with 'VIPs, LIPs, and NIPs' ... and talk about power trips .. there were more than a few going on at that board, even way back then ...

[tekobari]

I think Ross had it right way back when he said a board is what you make it.

If you don't like the direction its headed, start a new thread in a direction your interested in.

If all the people that have posted in this one thread, started one new thread about something that interests them, who knows what might happen.

For me TRS is the last of an era. Which means its worth saving.

I think PaleRyder also had it right, there are defenitly some things I dissagreed with Kris over, but what would be the purpose of hanging on to that.

That was yesterday, and this is today.

I'm going to start at least one thread today, and I ask those who are interested in seeing TRS move forward do the same.
No one else had it so right. (Except Josie with Sarah Palin, of course.)

This has always bugged me. People would complain about one thread, and ask that it be removed, but wouldn't start threads of their own. I'd HATE to see this board closed. It's practically an institution. It's changed. We've all changed, as Kris said, since over ten years everyone changes. Well, at least sane people do.

I've always loved TRS, through all of its manifestations. People have been cruel to me here and I've been cruel, too. People have been so kind, and I'd like to think I have been, too. I've taken part in some of the biggest wars, not to my credit. But with something like Gaffan's death, I was one of the "good" guys. We've all been through so much with each other.

Yes, I'd love to see some of the posters come back. I really miss TR and his forceful, sometimes raging, opinions and writing. I think he and the others of strong personality (not strength there; just "definite") were an important part of TRS. They're mostly gone, although not all.

I'd hate to see Kris drop the board. Not because she's never wrong--she certainly is. But because she's put in so much work and time, even love, into it, and no one else, I fear, will. And she's right, too.

I don't know where I'm going with this, and I'm sure it sounds like it. It's the only board I post at anymore, so some of wanting it to stay open might just be selfishness.

But I'm going to try what Doofy suggests. I don't have much of interest to start a thread with, I think, but I'll give it a try.

[nobs]

Kazoo

It is because I wish to put this issue to rest and as Kris' friend, I expected that you would post after me (in Kris' defense - which is okay because you ARE her friend).
As I had said to kris - I have been there and done this before.
I made a post (in jest) that was hurtful to Kris and Oddy and I felt very bad. A thread was posted with pages of vitriol about my post at the original Ross Show and many, many hateful things were said about me. The few people involved didn't know me, nor did I know most of them.
Kris knows that I never defended myself or said anything in that thread. I did however apologize for my thoughtless post and I meant it. I still feel contrite about it.
This is all old history and I don't really wish a repetition because I know how bad some horses get beaten.
So, I felt that this would continue (and it has) and I was asking you (out of friendship) if it could end or be kept in email.
I don't send emails or PMs commenting about what people post - I try to respect others and if I feel i have been disrespectful I apologize. Obviously that isn't enough for Kris. Or she will say "it's okay" and then will post latter & bring it up again.
I have lived my life very differently. I have friendships going back 40 years and if I offend a friend (people don't always see eye to eye) I apologize (and mean it) and let it go. I don't like anything carried on. Even in my marriage, my husband and i rarely disagreed but when we did - we made up and put it behind us and we were very, very happy. I am the same way with my grown children.
More than ever i think life is too short for all of this - that is why I posted my original post which I wish i hadn't. I wish I would have never opened the bookmark but I was curious if anyone was posting and what was new.
I told Kris I was wrong and I am sorry and now she can carry it on for days if she wants. I won't be here.
I did not mean to offend you, I just didn't want this to go on and on - it has gotten so blown out of proportion.
This place hasn't been so crowded in a while.
That is why I said
Kris is right, I had no right to come in and post here and "blast" her although that wasn't my intention. I was Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Kris has defended herself well and I wish her much luck.


I wish the people that are still here lot's of happiness in their lives. There is SO much that a board can bring and be used for and this shouldn't be a part of it, so forgive me if I feel that in order to (hopefully) bring a close to this particular subject that I stick to places where I can let it be.
My life doesn't do "conflict" well (I guess I have reached enlightenment :))

I would sincerely like to close this door of my life on a good note.

Rock on Y'all!

[tekobari]

nobs, please don't tell us you're gone for good. Please.

[bluekazoo]

Well, nobs, perhaps I misread YOUR post then and took it to mean that I had already posted something somehow that had offended you - when what you meant was that 'going forward', I shouldn't respond. If that's the case, I apologize. Obviously everybody is capable of misreading and misunderstanding and it wouldn't be the first time on my part, that's for sure.

To be honest, I never feel the 'need' (or even the desire, most of the time) to defend Kris ... she does a fine job taking care of herself, and I'm proud of her as a friend for even trying to tackle this board and all the crap that goes with it ... and had you not specifically addressed me, I wouldn't have gotten involved at all this morning because as far as I was concerned, it was done and now it was all a matter of what would become of the board, going forward.

I hope you come back, nobs, because you're as much a part of this place as any of the rest of us. People have moved on from so much over the years, and when the chips are down, these are the people who have each other's backs. Anyway, I hope you'll reconsider and pop in again soon.

Again, If I did misunderstand your post, I apologize. I really read it as past-tense as opposed to future-tense.

Thanks for coming back with additional explanation for me.

[Whammo]

Ross,

I just wanted to make my last post here to you personally.

Hell yes, it’s been freaking fun. I mean even now, right here in this thread I can visualize sneakydave crouched down behind a rock (under which, he lives) while he wrings his hands in depraved desire for TRS archives. His p-r-e-c-i-o-u-s. :1rotflmao

Anyway man, no hard feelings here. I feel very fortunate indeed for most of my online life over the years. TRS was certainly part of that life. Not so much anymore but that’s just life in general. Nothing personal.

I sincerely wish you well Ross.

[rossshow]

About Mivona: Kris removed her moderator status for a reason. A very good reason. Mivona abused her mod powers, and got fired for it. As you can see, she's not banned from posting here. What she did wouldn't have been tolerated at ANY board. Now she's upset about it, and is posting up a storm about how there was no discussion. None was needed. She got fired.

[nobs]

You're welcome, Kazoo!.

Teko,
I am not "gone for good" until I take my last breath :)
I think I should step away for a while. As I said, I didn't come here to step on toes or cause a problem.
I think my communication skills have suffered in the past couple of years and I have been a Rossite since before their was the term Rossite (he and I go back aways and I have always respected him and he me - and appreciated his "welcome" here).

I am happy for one thing - that some kind of good came from all of this. This board deserves a chance to survive.
With Ross having more of a role and Kris not feeling so overwhelmed with a very full plate, if folks want this place to rise up - it will.

I am so happy to see some folks here like Bunz and Lakelady and I wish TRS the best!!!

[nobs]

Sorry - I would like to add that it was great to see Happy too!

[lakelady]

Thank you, Nobs.

I hope that you feel comfortable coming back soon.

[Happy]

Sorry - I would like to add that it was great to see Happy too!

Happy is always happy to see you, nobs! :) Love ya!

[tekobari]

Thanks for posting that, nobs. The loss of you here would be a big one.

I hope you have a good break.