Case Number: SC099050

[rossshow]

Looks like Chopsbuster is filing a lawsuit against Lee.

Powerhouse started a thread at the wash:

http://thecarwashlive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6976

Trainwreck thread

http://tinyurl.com/6hk6y5

Actual court documents online:
SC099050 (http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil)

[White Owl]

It's about time. Too bad for Lee, soon he will not be able to deal with all the pending lawsuits.:000000rockinross:

[toollady]

Unless I'm reading it wrong, that suit was originally filed in July.

There's just been a recent hearing to allow service via attaching the summons on the door.

[Hepburn]

SSDD

[Doofy]

Ross your trainwreck link doesn't work for me.

I couldn't make heads or tails out of the carwash thread.

White Owl I have a question for you, if TRS is shut down in the spring, and the big legal case manages to shut down the trainwreck.

Is there any point in keeping the carwash open?

What the hell would you have to talk about?

Honestly I think Lee and Chops need each other. There would be a huge hole in their lives if one or the other dissapeared.

[littleesp]

Ross your trainwreck link doesn't work for me.

I couldn't make heads or tails out of the carwash thread.

White Owl I have a question for you, if TRS is shut down in the spring, and the big legal case manages to shut down the trainwreck.

Is there any point in keeping the carwash open?

What the hell would you have to talk about?

Honestly I think Lee and Chops need each other. There would be a huge hole in their lives if one or the other dissapeared.
I truly agree.

[Xmasjoy]

I don't.

[Xmasjoy]

I hope this board stays up though .... Joy.

[White Owl]

I truly agree.

and you would, EM. You, being a train wreck poster and all.......:3stfu-emo

[littleesp]

and you would, EM. You, being a train wreck poster and all.......:3stfu-emo

Back at ya darling.

[Kandi]

Hopefully some lawsuits will extend to little miss Runfayalife, aka Agent X, and a couple others. Little Miss Runfayalife has been a busy bee. I just don't think I want to bother, but I think Whale certainly has a case against her.

[bluekazoo]

Well, Ross, apparently the only people here who are interested in this (besides yourself) are carwash members ...

What gives, anyway? Kris takes a step forward with the board, and you jump in, and it's two steps backwards.

I know this shit gives you a kick, but to be honest, Ross, nobody else (again, with the exception of bluesb and a few others who also have claimed in the past to be regular posters at the carwash) gives a damn.

Anything anybody does re: a lawsuit is nobody else's business. Cripes, how hard is that for you (or Powerhouse, for that matter) to understand? I don't know what's happened to PH lately, but pushing a story like that is worse than the stuff (we) old ladies do ...

Again, it's absolutely nobody else's business and comes really close to invading chopsbuster's privacy.

There are still a few of us around here who don't want to be part of your stinking board wars, Ross. Never did, never will.

[tekobari]

Blue, in a way, I'm interested. I wish I had a buck for all the times one person or another threatened to file a lawsuit or to call their lawyer, etc., over the past decade or so. And of course, no one ever did. I might be forgetting something, but this seems to be the only one I've seen where a civil suit was actually filed by two "civilians" on the boards. (One person had a suit filed against him by an organization.)

I certainly haven't been following any of it, but it sounds kind of stupid to me. Just settle your differences and move on. Why go through the stress of a lawsuit?

Crazy stuff.

[Kandi]

Ahem, I have never claimed to be a regular poster at the Car Wash. If you'll look at my post count there and others, you can see that I'm not a "regular"...I'm more of a fly by over there.

[tekobari]

BB, I'd say I've read there three times in three years. Honest. And each time was following links from here, like this one.

[rossshow]

For those interested, all the paperwork filed by Chopsbuster in this lawsuit has been uploaded.

He's asking for 5 million in punitive damages. He says he can't eat or sleep because of what Lee has done to him.

http://tinyurl.com/66kgof

Sorry, but it's very interesting to me that someone actually is trying to file a lawsuit over chatboard postings.

[Doofy]

How many years has this been going on, and suddenly Chops can't eat or sleep.

Your right Ross it is interesting in a train wreck sort of way.

I also agree with Tek in that this is the first actual lawsuit I know of from all the threats I've read.

Maybe Passion can hire chops as a consultant.

[rossshow]

Over at Kashtin's board, Heartland (now known as Aisling (http://aisling.u.yuku.com/)) complains about how Chopsbuster allowed her full name to be posted at THe carwash, and about how her photos were also posted.

http://boardoutamymind.yuku.com/topic/931/t/Is-It-True-Has-the-Mouth-that-Roared-been-silenced.html?page=10

Bolding mine....

One problem with that lame rationalization about my full name being posted at TCW: I don't, and have never, posted at Lee's board. I have never posted anyone's real name or contact info on any board.

No, I have never told anyone what someone's profession was, or "things like that." I certainly have never revealed any secret about the two people who posted my real name, since I don't even know who the one sock (Davivo) is, and the other is Shawn. I have never been in a position with either of them, I will say, to know any secrets about them or their contact info.

Yet Chops manipulated my photo URLs until he found one he thought was me, and posted a pic of my newborn granddaughter and one of her grandmothers at his board, where everyone proceeded to make fun of it. Is that what you mean by "stealing pics?" Because I had never posted that pic publicly. Stealing pics, yep, that's what it felt like to me.

I would have to say, after that claim, that you don't know what you're talking about. Are you now comparing the posting of someone's real first and last name, actual contact info which can be used to interfere in someone's real life, with something like saying, "Hep works at a hotel" and at that, it's still something I didn't do. Seriously?

Again, I have NEVER posted at Lee's board, I don't read his board, I don't want to read his board, and I don't care what's being done to any of you. The reason for that is, I have FOR YEARS seen things just as bad at the Carwash. And I will also say that when you push and push and continue to push people to their very limit on these boards, you are eventually going to come across people who are going to hit back as hard as they can, just to try to make you STOP. And then, of course, you will whine about it until the sky falls down. Hep was right, it's tiresome, all of it.

This, "What we do isn't quite as bad as the things they are doing to us" is sour grapes to everyone on the outside looking in. Stop whining and either do something legally about it, or just leave them the hell alone. THAT'S ALL THEY WANT. If you stop, so will they. But you won't, and you will keep rationalizing that you have every right to harass them in post after post at the Carwash, and it will never end. So prove that you're the better people, once and for all. Because the rest of us just don't care about your problems with each other.

But thanks for finally admitting that my privacy was violated by the Carwash.

[rossshow]

That whole thread at Kashtin's is a battle between washers, ex-washers, cheesers, and Hepburn. What a mess. Well, good luck, Kashtin.

http://boardoutamymind.yuku.com/topic/931/t/Is-It-True-Has-the-Mouth-that-Roared-been-silenced.html?page=13

Chops says
You must be joking. The spectacle of HEPBURN MAKING AN ASS OF HERSELF is a boardieland institution. I plan to enjoy the show as I await your next implosion and mauifesto.

And Heartland says:


Chops, you blamed Zelda Zoinkers on ME, therefore I blamed it on YOU. Tit for tat, Bubba. Isn't that the way you play this game?

Whale, the entire Carwash has pushed people to their limits ... obviously, or you wouldn't have a board such as the Trainwreck to wring your hands over. I wasn't speaking just of you, I was speaking of you-the-Carwash-members, generally. No, I wouldn't like to have done to me what was done to you. Feel better now? But there is only one board out there that has violated my privacy, many times over, and it's not TW.

Chops, do you really believe the Carwash is a nicer board now? All anyone has to do is read posts by Davivo, Gypsy Rose, and a few other assorted nasties to see the difference. You are either deluded, or showing a very bitter sense of humor. Probably the latter.

RA nailed it. When you use your favorite code words, "I heard" or "I believe that" or "From what I understand," it means everything you are about to say is a lie, but you are hoping that it will be believed and cause grief for your victims. You've done it ever since I've known you, and really buddy, it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Blues, you aren't worth talking about. Obviously I am worth talking about, because you can't stop yourself from doing so. So carry on.

Three more pages of this nonsense, and still no one has answered the question: Why not just STOP? By not answering that, and not even attempting to move on from things that happened several years ago, you are proving the claim that you are obsessed and unable to stop. You prove it every day. If you have nothing new to fret and howl about, you dig up ancient crap that no one, anywhere cares about, except you. I don't plan to join you in your fruitless endeavors. I can't think of anything that's a bigger waste of time.

[rossshow]

Lee sends more PM's to Kashtin.

http://boardoutamymind.yuku.com/topic/979/t/Message-from-Penelopegoodbody.html

[rossshow]

http://timefor.yuku.com/topic/2237

Even Hepburn get's PM'ed by Lee. AND he actually posted at Hep's board!

[Doofy]

Its to bad Kris and Heartland didn't get along, I really like how that girl posts.

TY Ross I did read some of the TR thread.

Theres a whole bunch of legal papers at the end of the thread for people a lot more dedicated than I am.

Is it true that Chops has done this many times before?

Can you imagine the lawyer that would take a chat board case.

[rossshow]

I don't remember why Heartland doesn't post here. I think it was me, rather than Kris.

6 different causes of action against Lee, and 22 pages of documents, very interesting reading.

Like I said, Chops says he can not eat or sleep. I don't know if chops has filed lawsuits before, but he sure is doing so now.


Its to bad Kris and Heartland didn't get along, I really like how that girl posts.

TY Ross I did read some of the TR thread.

Theres a whole bunch of legal papers at the end of the thread for people a lot more dedicated than I am.

Is it true that Chops has done this many times before?

Can you imagine the lawyer that would take a chat board case.

[rossshow]

Man faces criminal libel charges over Craigslist posts (http://www.rcfp.org/newsitems/index.php?i=7240)
Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, VA - Dec 2, 2008
A Colorado man is facing criminal libel charges after his ex-girlfriend complained to the police about posts he allegedly made about her on Craigslist, ...
Suspected Craigslist commenter charged with libel (http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9431654) KJCT8.com
Man Charged with Libel over Craigslist (http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtml?story_id=010000WX66FI)
Top Tech News, CA - 13 hours ago
Abrahamson charged JP Weichel, 40, of Loveland, in October over posts
he allegedly made on Craigslist's "Rants and Rave" section. ...

[zeldas]

Just to clarify

Zelda Zoinkers is not me.

Carry on

Hey Ross nice to see you do what you do best. :1clap3:

[zeldas]

Oh yes I got another one today too from a penelopegoodbody.

LOL

So they must be circulating.:i-roller:

[White Owl]

Ross, why did you fix that link to Baltzers board??????

[rossshow]

Ross, why did you fix that link to ******** board??????
Because it was broken, ya know? I'm glad that Chops posted about it to let me know. It's funny how chops posts about me posting about his lawsuit, but refuses to post about the lawsuit on his own board.

Lee is posting and PM'ing everywhere. Why doesn't he just try at get one of the major news services to pick it up? They picked up the story about the Colorado man getting sued, why not this one?

Here's Lee's latest spamming post:

http://counterthetoothprick.yuku.com/topic/5339

[rossshow]

Oh yes I got another one today too from a penelopegoodbody.

LOL

So they must be circulating.:i-roller:
He really wants to get the word out, Zelda.

He's posting and PM'ing everyone.

Like I said, I am amazed that some major news service isn't picking this one up. It's only a matter of time, I'd say, before this story is picked up. These kinds of lawsuits are interesting. A whole new area of the law.

[Hepburn]

Penelope is no longer at TF. I gave him a chance to play nice and prove he can talk about things other than that moldy old war, and he showed he couldnt. So....my first banning. I have many blocked, but this is the first ban.

[krisinluck]

Oh, I suspect it's more that I wouldn't let her play the way she wanted to - the way she did in the old days - than it is something you did, Ross. Maybe it's a combination of both, because she pretty much quit posting her before your exit.Because it was broken, ya know? I'm glad that Chops posted about it to let me know. It was not broken. I removed Chop's last name in a sweep here months ago because I am not willing to have anyone's PI - and someone's last name qualifies - on a board I am responsible for running.

I see that you changed it to a tinyurl; that's good. But I'm not going back to those days, Ross. I'm not. I don't have the time or energy for tracking that bullshit like I did a year ago. So thank you for using tinyurl if you must post links to that shithole, and hopefully the name remains censored in all the posts it was in before.

I'm going to check that now, then I have paperwork to get submitted. Back later if you wanna fight about it. Tonight, I'd be game for that. Not a good day in Kris World, and I'd rather be pissed off than whatever it is I feel right now.

(Nope, nothing with my Man. Just leftovers from pre-move. My Man is my star right now, having met me in town with a Baileys and coffee - heavy on the Baileys - when I got off work tonight after a shitty day. What more could a girl want?)

[Whale Spirit]

Is there any point in keeping the carwash open?

What the hell would you have to talk about?



Well, we could talk about the weather or old TV shows or start a lot of threads about eBay. Or maybe we can find someone to ask a bunch of stupid questions.

[Whale Spirit]

Now Natalie Maines is being sued for defamation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28061353

Sometimes there's a price to be paid for shooting off your big fat mouth.

[Hepburn]

Sometimes there's a price to be paid for shooting off your big fat mouth.

Obviously. Sure is something to think about. (Meant for general observation and not aimed at Whale).

[tekobari]

It truly is a new area of law, ross. But I'm at a loss to figure out how a person can be sued for such a huge a amount of money when the plaintiff didn't lose any money. Suits solely for emotional damage just don't make it anymore, particularly when the plaintiff gave as good as he got, or more.

It will be interesting to watch. I haven't checked your links yet. They'll provide great reading after work.

[Whale Spirit]

But I'm at a loss to figure out how a person can be sued for such a huge a amount of money when the plaintiff didn't lose any money.

How do you know that?


Suits solely for emotional damage just don't make it anymore, particularly when the plaintiff gave as good as he got, or more.


How about suits about defamation? Do they "make it anymore"?

[Happy]

I am not willing to have anyone's PI - and someone's last name qualifies - on a board I am responsible for running.

Then you need to remove the last name in post #417.

[Happy]

Correction: Post #27

I need new glasses! :i-roller:

[Whale Spirit]

Blue, in a way, I'm interested. I wish I had a buck for all the times one person or another threatened to file a lawsuit or to call their lawyer, etc., over the past decade or so. And of course, no one ever did. I might be forgetting something, but this seems to be the only one I've seen where a civil suit was actually filed by two "civilians" on the boards. (One person had a suit filed against him by an organization.)

I certainly haven't been following any of it, but it sounds kind of stupid to me. Just settle your differences and move on. Why go through the stress of a lawsuit?

Crazy stuff.


Tek, have you ever said anything on the boards that made another poster angry? What if someone on the boards got angry at things you said and devoted an entire website to you with your name, address, telephone number, pictures of you and your house? What if they posted there that you molested your students and worked as a prostitute on the weekends? What if that person made videos calling you a cyber predator and child molester and put those videos on YouTube with your full name and address? What if all this stuff got into the search engines so that your students' parents could see it and your employers could see it just by doing a search on your name?

What if someone went to websites you didn't even know about and told the owners that you were responsible for hacking their site and gave them your name and address and encouraged them to physically harm you?

What if you were called a cyber predator on someone's ME page at eBay, an international site? What if someone made email addresses using your board name (tekobari@aol.com) and wrote to other people pretending to be you and said hateful things to get them fired up against you?

What would you do? How would you "settle your differences and move on"? Would you ignore it, leave the internet, or seek a legal remedy? Even if you left the internet, the information would still be all over the internet, available worldwide. How would you get or keep a job with that kind of defamation out there for everyone to read?

If you don't read Lee's board and you don't read the Carwash, where are you getting your information that Chops "gave as good as he got"?

[rossshow]

There is NO question, whale, that Chops gave as good as he got. That is a fact, one that all but you can clearly see.

The other fact of this matter is that Chops was the first aggressor, here. Chops started this ball rolling. He fucked with the wrong ebay seller, the last in a long line of ebay sellers that Chops fucked with.

[Whale Spirit]

I thought we were talking about legalities here, Ross. That's what I'm talking about.

[Hepburn]

If I were a judge, the first thing I would ask is why someone went to all that trouble to do those things to begin with.

[rossshow]

Of course we are, in the spirit of the law there is a phrase known as "clean hands".

In no way shape or form does Mr. Chopsbuster have "clean hands".

http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=211

clean hands doctrine
n. a rule of law that a person coming to court with a lawsuit or petition for a court order must be free from unfair conduct (have "clean hands" or not have done anything wrong) in regard to the subject matter of his/her claim.

His/her activities not involved in the legal action can be abominable because they are considered irrelevant. As an affirmative defense (positive response) a defendant might claim the plaintiff (party suing him/her) has a "lack of clean hands" or "violates the clean hands doctrine" because the plaintiff has misled the defendant or has done something wrong regarding the matter under consideration.

Example: A former partner sues on a claim that he was owed money on a consulting contract with the partnership when he left, but the defense states that the plaintiff (party suing) has tried to get customers from the partnership by spreading untrue stories about the remaining partner's business practices.
No clean hands on Mr. Chopsbuster.

[Whale Spirit]

If what you say is true, Ross, the defendant should have no difficulty proving that in court and has nothing to worry about.

[rossshow]

If what you say is true, Ross, the defendant should have no difficulty proving that in court and has nothing to worry about.
IF what I say is true? PLEASE, whale. You're not that in love with Chops, are you?

It is very clear to anyone that Chops gave as good as he got. Therefore, NO CLEAN HANDS!

[Whale Spirit]

Again, Ross, I'm speaking in the legal sense. I'm not talking about your old chat board disputes and exchanges. If what you say is true about Chops not having clean hands in the legal sense then that will be shown to be true in court. Do you agree?

[rossshow]

Yes, Whale. That's exactly what I am saying: That it's clear to all now, and willl be clear to a judge in court, that Mr. Chopsbuster has dirty hands, legally.

[Whale Spirit]

What you seem to be saying is that because you've engaged in chatboard disputes and general nastiness, you'd have no recourse if someone defamed you, if for instance they plastered your name all over the internet and said you were a child molester. I hope you don't believe that.

Anyway, it will all play out in court and we'll see the result. It's an interesting case.

[Whale Spirit]

Yes, Whale. That's exactly what I am saying: That it's clear to all now, and willl be clear to a judge in court, that Mr. Chopsbuster has dirty hands, legally.

Only time will tell.

[White Owl]

Ross, nobody on these boards have clean hands, especially you, or myself.
However, Whale brings up some serious points regarding this. For once in your board life, just think outside the box, will you? Your feud with Chops is nothing compared to his(and mine on personal issues) with Baltzer.

Have you even read his shit board?????? Baltzer has more lawsuits coming his way.....MANY more. And one of them is from a person with totally CLEAN hands. :sm1141:

[krisinluck]

Then you need to remove the last name in post #417.Thank God someone can keep up with this bullshit.

It's fixed now. All across the board. No one will be posting that name here again.

*head desk* Are the other new posts in this thread gonna make me cranky?

[krisinluck]

To answer my own question...yes, I guess they are.

I do not care to revisit the Chops is evil era of TRS. It did absolutely nothing for this board but bring in people who are crazier than my soon to be former sister in law from hell who like to do as much damage as possible. ALL THE FUN HAS LEFT THESE BOARDS.

But hey. I may be the only one who feels that way, so I'll start a poll and let's see how many are really interested in this crap.

**

On a personal note, I have not seen Chops use photographs of "enemies" families as avatars, post addresses and phone number or spam the be-jeezus out of posters completely uninvolved in this endless shitfest. I have seen Lee do that, though. So to say they are the same does not ring true to me, and I am well outside the inner workings. My opinion, based on what I've seen the past year that I've had to wade through this crap.

I also don't buy the line this isn't impacting his life. The man is an actor - not a well known actor, but what percentage is actually well known? Like, one or two percent? In any case, someone decides they want to hire him, run a search on his name, and Lee's fucking board dominates Google. Oh, yeah...that's gotta be good for business, huh? Some crazy SOB has an internet hardon and too much time on his hands. Yay.

Think, people. Just step back from your usual place and THINK.

[kim]

okay i'm semi bored / who's ra...?

[krisinluck]

Ra is LaGazza.

[kim]

- ah / thanks kris / waves to gazza...

[tekobari]

Well, Whale, as you probably know, I was called a child molester on these boards and different people wrote to my workplace to threaten me. So I do know what it feels like. Of course, nothing came of it, but I didn't know that would be the outcome at the time.

As I said above, I haven't read TCW in a few years, so I don't know what monetary damages chops has suffered. Maybe he lent Lee money? Maybe Lee interfered with the sale of chops' house? Maybe he did damage to chops' property? Maybe chops can prove that he lost five million bucks in acting jobs? I just don't see how chops lost anything near that amount of money due to actions from Lee.

And yes, ross is right. Chops went after Lee first. However, I'm sure chops didn't have the first clue that he was involving himself with a maniac. And if what you say Lee did is true, he certainly is an EVIL maniac. No one deserves that kind of treatment. I still believe that if they had moved on three years ago (four?), it never would have come to this.

And no, I had NO legal recourse to my problem. I let it drop.

Cases for emotional damage lose nowadays, Whale. They have for some time. And the doctrine of clean hands still applies.

Don't mistake this for my saying in any way that I don't feel sympathy for chops. As I said, no one deserves this kind of treatment, and that includes chops. If he hadn't treated my friends so badly, one in particular, I would feel very bad for him.

[Whale Spirit]

Tek, I was just trying to make you understand that this case is not about a chatboard dispute. It's about libel, stalking, and invasion of privacy, among other things. In order for the "clean hands" doctrine to be relevant, the defendant would have to show that the plaintiff did these things to him as well. That's even on the definition that Ross posted.


a rule of law that a person coming to court with a lawsuit or petition for a court order must be free from unfair conduct (have "clean hands" or not have done anything wrong) in regard to the subject matter of his/her claim.

His/her activities not involved in the legal action can be abominable because they are considered irrelevant.


Tek said:
And yes, ross is right. Chops went after Lee first.

And why do you say this? Were you reading Nuke's board in 2005? Lee came there to cause trouble and make threats and shortly afterward began posting PI all over ezboard and blogs and Cartman's site. Then he went after people at The Carwash who didn't even know him and drove many people away from the board with his tactics.

[toke]

I've never paid any attention to the whole Carwash-Chops thing, so it's hard to work up any interest now. Isn't he the guy that was in love with Chyna?

[kim]

no toke that was oh gee my memory is going but it was somebody else (not chops or lee)...

[toke]

Whoops. I knew I should keep my mouth shut.

[kim]

p.s. the only names that are popping in my head right now are "scruffy" or "itchy" but those are wrong...

- i've got to go do the dishes anyway so ah well lol...

[toke]

p.s. the only names that are popping in my head right now are "scruffy" or "itchy" but those are wrong...



Lol...I was both scruffy and itchy so I went and washed my hair. Now I'm just sitting here dripping and reading about board wars. This is one weird day.

[krisinluck]

Blame it on the planets, Toke. The sky is one weird configuration right now. lol

It was OC that was in love with Chy. I miss Chy, but then, I never gave a damn if that avatar was her or not.

[kim]

half the dishes are done...

ah yeah that was it and OC stood for outhouse cleaner (which was an earlier id he used)...

- i miss chyna too...

[toke]

AHA! Outhouse Cleaner. Lord, how could I forget that one. I dunno about Chyna. She was so preternaturally sweet that she made me uncomfortable. I had a private theory that the pictures were either of her daughter, or perhaps herself before some disfiguring accident. Wrong again, huh? Turned out the pics were of some actress, right? Anyway, I'm with you. It was the excess of 'sweet' that bugged me a little...not whatever her true identity might turn out to be.

[kim]

i saw a an old pic once (looked like from the sixties) that i think was (maybe...?) really her...

- the sweetness was a little odd imo too but we had some real fun times...

[Kandi]

This case will be interesting for me to watch too. I've had so many things done in the past 5 years it's ridiculous. I don't work though, there'd really be no monetary loss for me, I think, in the grand scheme of things. All my stuff is self-employment and I don't think those hiring a karaoke jockey give a rat's ass about googling me.

Mental anguish, eh, maybe, from time to time. Mostly just pisses you off royally and sometimes make you roll on the floor in hysterical laughter because it's so off the wall ridiculous. The only one that ever remotely caused a problem was a sex page made then emailed to Mr. Blues. He was right pissed until I hired someone to show him exactly who did the dastardly deed. He considered making a quick flight, then said it wasn't worth the hassle. People are stupid and he won't waste time on stupid people.

[Doofy]

Whale its not just because its Chops at least IMO.

If I read Ross had taken Chops to court, I would find it just as humourous.

Or La Gazza had decided to sue Whale.

Kris has decided to sue Hep.

Some of this crap has gone on for years but now its something for the courts?

You would be right that I and most here have zero idea how it has effected Chops real life, but how are we supposed to even remotely consider him a victim when his whole board life ( the part that I've seen) has been completely devoted to keeping the feud going.

Passion's supposed court case was a laugh a minute, and if you believed her, horrible things had been done to her.

Like Chops she did nothing to end it, and seemed to live/thrive on keeping it all alive.

A small part of me wondered if anything Passion said was true, and I did have a very small bit of sympathy for her.

I personally am in the same boat with Chops, its impossible with the claims and counterclaims to believe anything by eitther side.

But I don't see anything funny with someone like Tek or even Chops being labled as a child molester.

[zeldas]

I have seen very recent photos of Chynna. She looks a little older but still a very pretty attractive woman and she keeps herself slim. I miss her a lot and wish she would come back. Sometimes I hear from her, she will always be welcome on any of my boards. Most of the time she is offline.

[tekobari]

Chyna was (is) a fine woman. I'd like to see her back, too.

Doofy, thank you for your kindness. And in the interest of utter fairness, chops helped me through that time when I was being libeled as a child molester.

Whale, the only thing I know about the beginning of chops' and Lee's fight was that chops accused him of sending copies of copyrighted material to his customers instead of original material. Chops went after him as a fraudulent seller. The entire mess sprang from that. Hard to believe, but chops couldn't know who he was getting involved with.

At least, that's what I remember as the predicating cause. I stopped reading there, as I said, three or four years ago. I don't know what's gone on ever since. It sounds as though it's escalated to insane proportions.

[Whale Spirit]

No, you're wrong again, Tek. It was Azlynn who went after Lee for selling copyrighted material and reported him to the copyright holders. Chops never reported him for anything except for posting his PI/CI on his website, as did I and several other people.

[Whale Spirit]

And in the interest of utter fairness, chops helped me through that time when I was being libeled as a child molester.


Are you aware that some of your quotes attacking Chops are being featured on Lee's videos?

[tekobari]

No, Whale, I'm not aware of that, nor do I care. I stand by everything I ever said about chops, good or bad. (Some might be mistaken, of course.) And there was lots of good. If Lee doesn't want to post those things I wrote--and they don't support his cause, so he wouldn't--that's his decision.

It hardly matters whether it was Azlynn or anyone else who started it with Lee. Chops took it up as a cause. Mistake on my part; bigger one on chops' part.

[tekobari]

Whale, just FYI--I hope I've gotten through to you how very old this stuff is for me. YEARS. You're apparently still involved with it. My initial comment was that I can't see how chops sustained five million dollars worth of damage. And I believe any court, if it decides to take the case to begin with, will see it the same way.

[Whale Spirit]

No, Whale, I'm not aware of that, nor do I care. I stand by everything I ever said about chops, good or bad. (Some might be mistaken, of course.) And there was lots of good. If Lee doesn't want to post those things I wrote--and they don't support his cause, so he wouldn't--that's his decision.

It hardly matters whether it was Azlynn or anyone else who started it with Lee. Chops took it up as a cause. Mistake on my part; bigger one on chops' part.

I'm not sure what you mean by taking it up as a cause. He talked about it and answered the attacks Lee made against him.

I believe I'm mistaken, btw, about him reporting Lee for PI/CI. I think he reported Lee for using his name in Lee's feedback at eBay. I and others reported Lee for posting our and our family members' PI/CI on his board.

So many people have accepted it as truth that people at The Carwash interfered with Lee's auctions, but that isn't true. We laughed at his crazy antics but didn't try to interfere with his auctions. However, that piece of misinformation has been repeated so often that it's accepted as truth.

[Whale Spirit]

Whale, just FYI--I hope I've gotten through to you how very old this stuff is for me. YEARS. You're apparently still involved with it. My initial comment was that I can't see how chops sustained five million dollars worth of damage. And I believe any court, if it decides to take the case to begin with, will see it the same way.

That's because you don't understand the purpose of punitive damages, Tek. Chops isn't claiming to have sustained five million dollars worth of damage. :irollers2

[tekobari]

Whale, I'm so done with this. YEARS. I already said what I think about punitive damages, remember?

YEARS.

[tekobari]

p.s. the only names that are popping in my head right now are "scruffy" or "itchy" but those are wrong...

Kim, I think you're referring to "ichi-jin-rai" (I think that's how you spell the end of it). A LONG-time poster. Technical expert. He started on the eBay Trust and Safety board with a lot of us. He goes way back there--longer, I think, than anyone else, before it was a message board.

[kim]

nope tek i was just imagining cartoon characters lol...

- i think i remember the person you mean tho...

[MarginallyInvolved]

nope tek i was just imagining cartoon characters lol...

- i think i remember the person you mean tho...

"scratchy" & "itchy"?

A cartoon on a cartoon (The Simpsons). Kind of a gory parody of the old Tom & Jerry cartoons

[kim]

i know of scratchy and itchy the cartoon characters yes but i also imagined another named scruffy but actually i was trying to remember OT's id (outhouse cleaner)...

- we can call him scruffy tho...

[Whale Spirit]

Here's the link to the case at the L.A. court's website:

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

[DareMe]

I don't know either Chops or Lee so no dog in this fight really, but if you Google Chops' full name it seems to me the second result is actionable (both legally and by the spelling police) regardless of how clean Chops' hands are. Imagine being a potential employer and seeing that. No doubt it's turned people off.

I'm no lawyer and Chops knows he's not going to get $5 million even if it were awarded, but I suspect the amount determines what kind of actions can be taken.

[bluekazoo]

I don't know either Chops or Lee so no dog in this fight really, but if you Google Chops' full name it seems to me the second result is actionable (both legally and by the spelling police) regardless of how clean Chops' hands are. Imagine being a potential employer and seeing that. No doubt it's turned people off.

I'm no lawyer and Chops knows he's not going to get $5 million even if it were awarded, but I suspect the amount determines what kind of actions can be taken.

I agree with DaredMe ... and doesn't anybody else find it even a little ironic that so many of us who don't even know Chops have knowledge of his full name and have seen his address and photos posted?

In my opinion, that's. just. wrong.

It wouldn't matter if he were 'Chops the Plumber', it'd still be wrong.

I can't find a valid reason for anyone ever having posted any of it - anywhere - unless he chose to do so himself (which he obviously did not).

[toke]

I am clearly the only one on this board who knows nothing... and cares nothing...about the whole Chops and Lee thing. Whateverthehellitis. If it ever actually goes National...I'll pay some attention. Until then, it's just another board war. ;)

[rossshow]

Heartland again discusses how her privacy was violated by Chops and other washers:

http://timefor.yuku.com/topic/2252?page=10

Shawn, I have no plans to read TTW. I come to these boards to have fun and talk about interesting things - not to involve myself in something I have no interest in. But I must say that I'm pretty sick of this "degrees" thing concerning wrongdoing that keeps getting brought up. It's ridiculous. "What we do isn't as bad as what they do." Well, HOW BAD IS IT? I've said before, that when you push and push people to their limits, you bear some responsibility for the outcome when they push back harder. If you didn't enjoy this war, you wouldn't be participating in it. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, so to speak.

Having said that, you did post my full name at TCW - without my permission, as an attack, when I have never posted yours or anyone else's real name or contact info. I have never posted anything personal about you, other than making fun back at T&S when you claimed Frank was an FBI agent. I won't claim that it's caused me personal agony, sleepless nights, mental distress, embarrassment, or any other ridiculous consequence, though. It hasn't.

Chops manipulated URLs in my picture files until he found one he thought was me, but it wasn't. It was my son-in-law's stepmother, and she was holding my newborn granddaughter. I took the photo. He posted that picture at TCW, where everyone jumped in to criticize the looks of a woman they don't even know. He used one of the most joyous occasions in my life, and turned it into something ugly and dirty. He does it all the time. He thrives on it. What kind of person thrives on that kind of thing? Not someone I'd want to know.

He has also lied about my late husband, claiming that he was married to someone else when I became pregnant with our daughter. My husband died of cancer over 22 years ago, when our daughter was only four years old, and again, he turned a very sad, personal situation into something dirty. He prefaced that lie with "From what I understand," meaning, of course, that it was just pure bullshit. That's when I began to catch on to his word games.

He did it just because he could and because he's filled with hate. It's fun for him. And the above is just a drop in the bucket concerning the ugly things said about me and my family at TCW.

Someone else at TCW used the issue of my being caregiver to my elderly, sick mother to claim that she financially supports me. Another bald-faced lie, made up out of thin air. They just make this shit up because they think it will hurt. And hurt is what they aim to do. They are sick people.

You have participated in this shit for YEARS, as have most members of TCW. If we are supposed to blame RA and Run for everything posted at TTW, then it's only fair that we can blame you and every other member of TCW for what is posted there. You don't get to say, "I didn't personally do that" when you won't accept that same claim from others. Saying that someone cheered or "gleefully" participated is the new (Chops) way of saying that they were merely present and didn't speak out against something. It might fool a few people, but that doesn't make it honest or honorable.

These are just the first things that come to my mind. There is so much more, not to mention people attacked for every little thing they post anywhere. Is there anyone who doesn't have their own thread there? God, get a life already, some of you. And NO, I haven't always been Little Miss Innocent. I got involved in a lot of knock-downs at TCW when I was there and we were battling with Base and his members. I remember one photo morphed there, of Blues, and I believe Peeep is the one who did it (or Lu?) - Blues' head on a jackass. It didn't go over well with most of our group, but Chops loved it. However, we never posted CI on people. NEVER. That was off limits. I've changed since then, for the better. I believe I've learned from what's happened on these boards ... and I don't mean learned how to be even more mean and hateful, as some have. Others have remained stagnant, exactly the same, still making the same kinds of attacks on people they barely know, or don't know at all. I think you, Shawn, have somewhat changed, but it's not enough (for me). It may be enough for you, I suppose.

So excuse me if I can't manage to get my panties in a wad over what's going on at TTW. Excuse me if I just don't care. But having been on the receiving end of Carwash attacks for many years, and having seen many other people on that same end, I just have no sympathy whatsoever. For any of you. And that's not on me, that's on you, for participating as you have for so long and never once publicly disagreeing with what's been said and done there. I only thank my lucky stars that I have my own business, because I have no doubt that my job would have been in jeopardy from all of this.

Now I'm done with this. This board was running along just fine with RA and Run here. The only blips are when a TCW member decides to start up all this shit here, and no one wants to hear it. I met RA and Run on SD for the first time. They didn't tear down that board -- that would be Carwash members who tried and/or did that. They haven't torn down any board I've been with them on since then, either. So this dire warning about them ruining boards is just more Chicken Little nonsense. If you would just lay off and let them post here in peace, without constantly bringing up this crap, then we wouldn't have to see this crap here at all. If you can't post here with them, there's another alternative, as you well know. They are not the ones bringing this fight to this board. You might just find that having a middle ground away from all of that bullshit will change a lot of people's perspective on things. But you must realize that there are some who will never change. They are incapable of it.

I managed to post just fine at BOMM, until Chops decided to involve me in his game-playing there. I hadn't spoken to him, I had posted around him. But he is full of such hate and fury that he couldn't leave me alone to do that. He had to make accusations and insinuations and take it all there, with his mind-numbingly boring cut and pastes. He takes it to every board he posts on if there is someone there he hates. He waits for his opening, and he pounces on it. He has to hate, there's no other excuse for the type of attacks he makes. He can't help himself. He lives for it. I don't.

Sorry this is so long, but if I don't explain every single little thing in great detail, my post will be picked apart for every single little thing I left out. As it is, I can't possibly include everything, or I'd be writing a much longer novel.

[Doofy]

Whats BOMM?

Again I have to agree with many of the thoughts she expressed.

[LittleRedFireAnt]

I think she's refering to Kashtin's board...Boardoutamymind

[Heartland]

Ross, can't you c&p anyone else's posts besides mine? Sheesh. I feel so cheap and used.

[rossshow]

Heartland, lol. You're the one talking about Mr. Chopsbuster's filthy dirty hands, so you're the one I C&P

[Heartland]

Oh, it's "Mr." now, is it? Haha.

[Whale Spirit]

Chops manipulated URLs in my picture files until he found one he thought was me, but it wasn't. It was my son-in-law's stepmother, and she was holding my newborn granddaughter. I took the photo. He posted that picture at TCW, where everyone jumped in to criticize the looks of a woman they don't even know.

I'll have to do a search at TCWL, but I think you're talking about the album that PG found, not Chops. Wasn't that the same album where you were hosting a picture of Chops? Were you posting that picture somewhere or why were you hosting it?

[Heartland]

No, it wasn't PG, it was Chops, the same night I posted my new granddaughter's pic here at TRS. PG did the same thing later when she found a pic of Chops in my album. That pic wasn't there when Chops stole the baby pics by manipulating the URL of a baby pic I posted here at TRS to see what else was in that file. I made the mistake of id'ing my pics in numerical order because I didn't account for people like him doing something like that. So he just started changing numbers until he found one he thought was me.

I save a lot of pics I see online. I never posted a pic of Chops anywhere -- why would I, especially since he posted it publicly himself?

Why was he saving and posting a pic of my granddaughter and relative that had never been posted publicly anywhere? Have you ever interrogated him about that like you're attempting to interrogate me? No, thought not.

[Whale Spirit]

Here's what you and PG had to say about those pictures at the time.

07-12-2006, 08:18 PM
PG :o}
Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: I live in your head, Bucko.
Posts: 5,812



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Heartsick of Kakalot:
http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopi...p=38591隿


Good grief. Of course she posted the pics, hotlinked or not. She could've just posted links to the pics, which would have been perfectly acceptable, but she instead stole the bandwidth from the sites on which they were posted, in order to post the pics at the dump.

Yes, Heartsick, I could have posted links to the pictures.
Or, I could have STOLEN the pictures, UPLOADED them to my OWN WEBSPACE and then I would have retained sole control of them.
That's a familiar scenario to you, isn't it? [PurpleButterfly, Chops, Kay; ring a bell?]
I don't expect you to say you see the difference, although I know you do, because you would have to admit to your theft and stalking if you did.

Why didn't you just simply LINK to the pictures you wanted to display of PB, Chops, and Kay?






And here was your exchange with Lee at SD when he was looking through Shawn's private files. Evidently you had no problem with Lee looking through Shawn's files and saving the pics.


bloodinthedoorway:

I'm looking through Shawns private pic files right now.
Dumbass left it open.
What a pervert he is. He has a pic of himself walking bare ass on the beach...LOL

Heartland:

Blood, this I have to see. PM me a link when you get them saved and uploaded.



http://www.thecarwashlive.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96863#post96863

[Whale Spirit]

But having been on the receiving end of Carwash attacks for many years, and having seen many other people on that same end, I just have no sympathy whatsoever. For any of you. And that's not on me, that's on you, for participating as you have for so long and never once publicly disagreeing with what's been said and done there.


You don't like people talking about you and your family, yet here's what you posted at SD about Chops and his family.


I don't believe Alan's version of his relationship with his sister. My source is far more credible than he ever has been, and heard it directly from him. Their estrangement has lasted nearly their entire adult lives unless, of course, they have made amends in the last two years. From what I understand, they have only spoken a few times in the past 20 years. The estrangement with his father is even worse. He apparently didn't like his father's choice for a second wife and his father basically told him "tough shit." He had only spoken to his father once in 20-something years.

http://www.thecarwashlive.com/forums/showthread.php?p=96863#post96863

[kim]

- as much as i really don't like her much could we get perhaps pg and all others involved in this over here if we're gonna talk about them cuz i want everybody to own their words and it really kinda sucks for others to be bandying about the words of people who aren't here i say we should get all involved and then we can be on our way towards really owning our words aand then there'd be no more money troubles here either (see i can kill all sorts of birds with one little stone)...

[kim]

p.s. then maybe everybody could pool the leftover money and get me a keyboard that doesn't skip too...

- that part is aa (drat it happened aagain and there again) joke...

[Steamcleaner]

Whale you are getting creepier with every post. You must have quite a library of old posts, got anything from 2004?

:000000rockinross:

[Heartland]

Whale, PG wasn't talking about the pics of my granddaughter. That took place LONG before she posted that. It was CHOPS who posted a pic of my granddaughter and relative that he stole from my photo hosting album ... a pic that had never been publicly posted anywhere. Check back to December 2005 ... unless he's deleted it. He hotlinked to it first, but when I changed the photo to that of an actress, he (after getting pissed off) uploaded the photo he had saved and made the image link private to members only.

Chops did it, not PG. I don't even know what pictures PG supposedly hotlinked to, so it obviously didn't make that much of an impression on me. She was far more concerned about the fact that I had right clicked and saved a published-in-public photo of someone. Oh the horror.

As far as what she said, how can I possibly "steal" a pic that's publicly posted? She wrongly declared that I had "displayed" the pics when I had done no such thing. They were simply stored.

As for the latter exchange with Lee, no, I had no problem with him doing that to Shawn, since Shawn was one of the ones who chimed in when Chops did it to me. Shawn obviously had no problem with it being done to someone else, so why should I care?

As for what I said about Chops' family, that also came long after he had done the above and what I mentioned earlier, so I really don't give a damn, my dear. Sue me. As much as you try, you can't prove that I drew first blood, because I didn't.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look constantly running around and defending Chops? You act like you're his lawyer or something. LOL, maybe you should sue me.

Why didn't you respond to my post at TF, where I originally made it? You're a participating member there, after all. Are you hoping for a pile-on here?

[Heartland]

Hi Steamcleaner, long time no see-saw. She just wants me to get all tied up and spend as much time on this nonsense as she does ... which is 24/7 apparently. I can't think of anything more brain-numbing (besides Chops' posts) than sifting through reams and reams of archives, day in and day out. What a life.

[Emily Rose]

Ah, the moral code of kindergarten. What better to guide our lives?:sm1122:

[~~P'tuny]

Bolding mine;
She wrongly declared that I had "displayed" the pics when I had done no such thing. They were simply stored.
Stored?
If you didn't know them (The peeps concerned) and didn't care why would you save them Heartland?
to what purpose were they of use to you then?

Everyone is accusing everyone else, so who did what, is not the issue here, the issue is who is innocent?

[kim]

- is the hashing happening...?

...{{{{hugs to all}}}}...

[Whale Spirit]

Whale you are getting creepier with every post. You must have quite a library of old posts, got anything from 2004?

:000000rockinross:

Steamcleaner, perhaps you can explain why it's better for Heartland to bring up things for the past with nothing to back it up than for me to bring up her own words from the past. I'd be interested to know why you think one method is better than the other.

And these posts aren't from my library. They're from a search done at the Carwash.

[Whale Spirit]

Whale, PG wasn't talking about the pics of my granddaughter. That took place LONG before she posted that. It was CHOPS who posted a pic of my granddaughter and relative that he stole from my photo hosting album ... a pic that had never been publicly posted anywhere. Check back to December 2005 ... unless he's deleted it. He hotlinked to it first, but when I changed the photo to that of an actress, he (after getting pissed off) uploaded the photo he had saved and made the image link private to members only.

Chops did it, not PG. I don't even know what pictures PG supposedly hotlinked to, so it obviously didn't make that much of an impression on me. She was far more concerned about the fact that I had right clicked and saved a published-in-public photo of someone. Oh the horror.

As far as what she said, how can I possibly "steal" a pic that's publicly posted? She wrongly declared that I had "displayed" the pics when I had done no such thing. They were simply stored.

As for the latter exchange with Lee, no, I had no problem with him doing that to Shawn, since Shawn was one of the ones who chimed in when Chops did it to me. Shawn obviously had no problem with it being done to someone else, so why should I care?

As for what I said about Chops' family, that also came long after he had done the above and what I mentioned earlier, so I really don't give a damn, my dear. Sue me. As much as you try, you can't prove that I drew first blood, because I didn't.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look constantly running around and defending Chops? You act like you're his lawyer or something. LOL, maybe you should sue me.

Why didn't you respond to my post at TF, where I originally made it? You're a participating member there, after all. Are you hoping for a pile-on here?

I'm not sure which pictures you're referring to, Heartland. The issue is taking the pictures of others, which activity it appears you're as guilty of as those you accuse. You still haven't said why you were "storing" pictures of Carwashers in your album. What were you planning to do with them?

You want your right to defend yourself but you would deny that right to others. It's okay for you to defend yourself because others have attacked you, but it's not okay for others to do the same. Yes, I know you would prefer that no one defend Chops, because you'd rather engage in one-sided bashing and not be challenged on anything you post here.

And you want to talk about this at Hep's board? You were quite thrilled for Ross to bring your post here, I thought.

[Whale Spirit]

Bolding mine;

Stored?
If you didn't know them (The peeps concerned) and didn't care why would you save them Heartland?
to what purpose were they of use to you then?

Everyone is accusing everyone else, so who did what, is not the issue here, the issue is who is innocent?

She knew the people. She had "saved" pictures of Chops, Kay and Pinned Butterfly.

[White Owl]

Whale, Steamcleaner is only here when there is shit slinging. Ignoring it is the best policy. :2poof:

[Heartland]

Whale, I wasn't planning to "do" anything with them. What do you imagine I was planning to "do" with them? I never published them, unlike what Chops did with my unpublished pic, so what's your beef, exactly? Is there some ethics violation with right-clicking and saving pics I see published? That would be news to me. I thought people posted pics because they actually want people to look at them. Imagine that.

I didn't have to search for them, I didn't have to manipulate URLs to find them, and I didn't publish them. So what is your question again? Or better yet, what answer are you looking for? Maybe that would save us all some time, and I'm sure you already have an answer prepared for me. And remind us again how they were found in my photo storage in the first place. LOL @ PG calling me the stalker.

What makes you think I was "thrilled" that Ross copied my post here? Did I say that? No, I did not, and I was not. Don't put words in my mouth, please. A good lawyer wouldn't even try that one. You still have not proven that I did anything that wasn't done to me first, or that I even did WHAT was done to me. Are we going to be on this merry-go-round much longer?

Patooey, you don't get to interrogate me. Go back to your preschool class and throw a tantrum or something. You have no idea what is even being discussed here, so this might be a good time to mind your own business before you look like an even bigger idiot than you already do.

Or maybe you could just fill us all in on what it is exactly that you pulled at Doc's place, that has made so many good people hate you? We're all ears. I guess I could ask others, but you might want to give your side of it.

[Heartland]

Sorry Ptuny, I won't bastardize your name anymore.

But do feel free to keep viciously attacking me just as much as you want, especially when you think I'm no longer here.

[Steamcleaner]

Steamcleaner, perhaps you can explain why it's better for Heartland to bring up things for the past with nothing to back it up than for me to bring up her own words from the past. I'd be interested to know why you think one method is better than the other.

And these posts aren't from my library. They're from a search done at the Carwash.

I can understand Heartlands post largely because I was around at the time, and her views about Chop's behavior are spot on. You on the other hand appear to be Chops number one messenger, posting things he should post himself. I understand your hatred of Lee and his board mates, Heartland is not one of them, let Chops fight his own battles.


Good to see you too White Owl. :1snoop:

[Kandi]

I just want to interject here, that back around this same time or before, someone had delved into Shawn's photobucket account, manipulated URLs and found his pictures. When I shared this information via PM at the Steel Dragon with Heartland, she was all on it and happy to have the info, happy to shuffle through Shawn's photos and it was all good then. It's just not good if it's happening to her. She'll never admit that she does anything wrong. Don't you know her shit don't stink? She's the high and mighty Heartland. She's always right and everybody else is wrong. Oh the pressure of being so special. Now, watch her come riding in and yell LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR. Her favorite word.

[Heartland]

You're ranting and blubbering. It's not pretty.

We've already discussed Lee finding Shawn's photos, after Chops and his boardmates got into my album, but I did forget to mention that you were the one who gave me the link, unsolicited. Not Lee, you. Were you the one who gave it to Lee, as well?

BTW, the naked guy wasn't Shawn, even though you (and Lee) claimed he was.

Tsk tsk.

[Kandi]

Buwahahahahaha. I didn't go back and read the pages I missed first. Whale had already brought up the "Shawn pictures thing". Heartland has a helluva time owning her words. She likes the Tennessee side step too. She figures she'll just wear you down with her 10 paragraph diatribes or digging in archives to misquote or take out of context something she wants to use. But how dare you dig into archives to prove her wrong! Bad Whale...bad Whale.

[Kandi]

LMAO. But you just admitted that you got it from me. So I'm telling the truth. LOL. You asked for it, wanted it, PMd me about it. We can always open Steel Dragon back up, let me get into my PMs (that I'm locked out of) and show you for the LIAR that you are.

You're so easy to rile. It's been fun watching you climb out of your hole and come back over here to fight. I look forward to your 10 paragraph diatribes. When you're posting them, I know you're pissed. Pissed is good. Makes me smile. Dance baby dance.

[krisinluck]

:0084:


Oy.


:0004:

[Heartland]

WTF??? Are you drunk, Blues? Where in the hell did I lie and say that I didn't get the link from you?

Christ, sober up.

[Kandi]

Will you go to AA with me? I can work on my drinking issues (lmao) and you can work on your anger issues. We could be buddies. Muchachas.

See, this is how it works with Heartland. You talk one time about having a glass of wine or something (or my infamous tipsy T&S chat) and automatically you're an alcoholic. Hmmmm....I could drag so many things out of the closet about you sweetie and perhaps it would be like how you do it...saying it makes it so? I'm going to sit on my hands now 'cause I'm tempted to be means as a fucking rattle snake and get you good. I'm feeling magnanimous tonight.

Besides, I'm loving your dancing.

[Heartland]

flounce flounce bounce smack the wall flounce bounce flounce

[Kandi]

Ooooooh, she's reduced to babbling. I can see the foam and spittle now. Get your hazmat masks on ladies and gentlemen, it's going to be a high time tonight.:sm1116:

[Happy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Happy14/lollipop.gif


Waving Hi to Heartland http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Happy14/wave6-1.gif and Steamcleaner! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Happy14/wave6-1.gif

[Citnalta]

While interjection seems to be fashionable here, of late....may I (since I wanted an excuse to say Hi to Steamcleaner, anyway ;) ) interject that, if I'm not mistaken, I was the one who'd initially right-clicked and saved the pictures of Chops & Kay and PB, from a public thread on TCW where they had been posted...and unlike, Heartland, I downloaded them to either imageshack or tinyurl and reposted the pictures at SD. So, I suppose I have to say...I'm having a hard time understanding just exactly WHAT point, you're trying to make here, Whales.

Oh..Oh..Oh...and NOT ONLY THAT!!! Heehee!!! But, I'm pretty I'd done the exact same thing with the picture of Blues (that she'd posted on Ebay) that was later used and morphed by Peeep.

Now....let me go see, if I can find that picture I right clicked and saved of Ptuny. :sm1116:

Anyway...what was the crime again???

[Citnalta]

edit (left out word)

pretty sure



(even though, it's true, I'm conceited enough to think I'm pretty) :)

[tekobari]

I value honesty. I've lied once--ONCE--on one of these boards since 1999 when I first came on them. I didn't come earlier because I couldn't afford a computer. I lied to save a friend's ass. Even so, it still bothers me, because I see it as one of the worst things I've done in virtual life.

But with that horrible exception, I've never lied.

So this, my dear, is the truth. That loving photo of a grandmother with her newborn baby granddaughter is not Sandy. NOT. I've seen photos of Sandy over the years, and that woman isn't she. Why, years later, it's still being used as some sort of "insult" or attack against Sandy is beyond me.

I will like and enjoy P'tuny's posts until she hurts someone I care about.

Now, I'll sit on my hands like Blues. I hope, anyway.

[Steamcleaner]

Just a quick hello back at Heartland & Happy & Cit!!!

:1chirol_c

[kim]

- hey i hugged ya...

[Steamcleaner]

....and Kim!!!! :111drummer02:

[kim]

- i also started to pm you (and say hey why don't you post but you did lol i knew you would or at least i thought so anyway you posted within seconds after that)...

[kim]

p.s. thanks and {{hugs again}} lol...

[Kandi]

You bad girl Cit! That's the pic where she (Peeep) put an animal head on my pic instead of my own head. I had to send the original pic to DiMello so he could see it was mine and he would remove it. LOL, that pic is hanging on the wall above the desktop as I type. I later printed it and took it back to a rally and got Mike and Vinnie to autograph it. Senior and Junior Tuttle are assholes, so I didn't bother with them. Mikey is a doll! (I'm talking about Orange County Chopper guys and their show.)

So, everybody is making nice at TF. Wouldn't it be cool if everybody came back this weekend? Base, Peeep, Admiral! (shout out hi), Cartman (sooo funny), Pickles, Lonake...they (to include the dairy group as well) could all come back and either battle it out or make amends and makey nicey nicey. THAT I would pay to see. Really. Admiral and Cookie in the same room, or Nettie. Oh yeah. If they would all agree to come back, I'd change my vote to let 'em all free and go at it. FTR, I really wish Base would come back.

[kim]

..."put an animal head on my pic instead of my own head"...

- don't mind me i'm just looking at old threads and lmao (carry on)...

[Powerhouse]

I guess this old issue is still grinding it's way through the courts.

[kim]

- yeah well it's all about as exciting as free KFC (sorry bill) i just found the animal head put on bluesb's pic rather funny...

[Powerhouse]

Well, I'm excited about the free KFC food. I have the coupon sitting on my desk at work. Gonna use it soon. I like free food! :easter_bunny:

[Hepburn]

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