Where Does Privacy End, and Secrecy Begin? [Archive]

Toy Ranch

08-12-2005, 01:16 PM

I posted an email today. I posted it here: http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=6192&postcount=246

In the post, I said I knew I was "wrong" to do it, and it felt weird doing it, and it feels weird now. Yet the privacy of email was one of the things Scott exploited then, and continues to do so today, as he sucks people into his little web.

Jay of JayandMarie called me a couple of days ago, to ask me not to post threads I was sent from the PeSA board anymore. He said that PeSA is doing things to help sellers on eBay, by working with eBay to change things... but what are they really doing? And if they are working to change things for themselves, are these also things that benefit the rest of us? He told me that I wasn't welcomed to do that, it was like I was coming in his house and taking things. I have some problems with that particular example, but that discussion would derail the one I want to have here.

Is PeSA operating in private, to change things on eBay? Or are they operating in secret, putting the screws to everyone who isn't in PeSA? They have publicly discussed wanting their own pricing tier on eBay... this obviously is not in the interest of the smaller seller... or the buyer either, for that matter.

What about someone who is a predator? Is it a violation of their privacy to publicly give out information about their activities?

I don't know... in the end, it's a moral judgement, and all of us have to make our own about these matters. I am interested in hearing the thoughts of others.

toke

08-12-2005, 01:23 PM

Jay of JayandMarie called me a couple of days ago, to ask me not to post threads I was sent from the PeSA board anymore.
So what did you decide to do?

Kashtin

08-12-2005, 01:32 PM

Tell 'em to take a flyin' f**k at a rolling doughnut.

If they had real concern for the anyone but themselves they wouldn't care what was posted on a chat board.

krisinluck

08-12-2005, 01:35 PM

Considering that so much of Scott's "power" was what it was due to the "special" "secrets" he shared with "just you" - I think it's valid to post the email. He's a public persona - with a well known name in the OAI thanks to his Honesty success. It's very easy for him to prey on people with just that knowledge.

JMO, of course.

As for the PESA emails, I too would like to know what you decided about that.

TR - we've had our problems over the years. But I would like to go on record as saying I'm impressed as hell at your determination to protect those who could so easily be sucked in. Thank you for what you do.

krisinluck

08-12-2005, 01:35 PM

Kashtin! lol! Perfected stated!

TurtleTrax

08-12-2005, 01:40 PM

I don't know... in the end, it's a moral judgement, and all of us have to make our own about these matters. And there you have your answer. ;)

Key words as far as PeSA is concerned - "operating in private" and "operating n secret". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out whose best interests they are protecting. I don't think you owe them (or Pompous Jay, who gets a kick out of being called "pompous" apparently) any courtesies whatsoever.

thentavius

08-12-2005, 01:42 PM

He said that PeSA is doing things to help sellers on eBay, by working with eBay to change things...

:1rotflmao

(I imagine you can guess my answer to your question about what PeSA is really doing).

rossshow

08-12-2005, 02:05 PM

Jay of JayandMarie called me a couple of days ago, to ask me not to post threads I was sent from the PeSA board anymore. He said that PeSA is doing things to help sellers on eBay, by working with eBay to change things... but what are they really doing?

They're looking to gain an edge. That's all I've seen from PESA.

Pam

08-12-2005, 02:17 PM

Jay of JayandMarie called me a couple of days ago, to ask me not to post threads I was sent from the PeSA board anymore.

I'm curious; did he ask you, or did he tell you not to post those threads? Asking really doesn't seem to be part of his personality.

kim

08-12-2005, 02:25 PM

pesa isn't doing anything for me - neither is scott - these people have made themselves public - and - are messing with other people's lives - POST THEIR EMAILS - i don't think there's any moral / ethical - (patooey) - question here at all - it'd be different if these people were our peers - but - they aren't - they've attempted to place themselves - as - above us - screw 'em...!

sadie999

08-12-2005, 02:29 PM

It's not an easy question, and there is no one answer that will cover all situations.

As a culture we have said ok to publishing the addresses, even posting the information on telephone poles, of sexual predators. We give public figures less rights to privacy than John Citizen. We expect our government to operate in the sunshine, but we turn a blind eye when they don't. We expect to be able to use a public rest room or fitting room and not find our pic on the internet afterward. The courts acknowledge spousal privilege, doctor/patient (with some exceptions), and the Seal of the Confessional.

For each situation, I guess each person has to ask themselves some questions.

Will revealing this secret do any good? Will it do harm? Why am I revealing it?

Why do I believe it is a secret? Did I offer to keep the information secret? Did it come from someone with whom I have a real friendship and so therefore, they had a reasonable expectation that I'd keep that secret? Are all emails really confidential, or is that something that is mostly accepted behavior and tradition?

What were the motives of the person who told me the "secret?" Were they trusting me as a friend and really needing a shoulder? Were they exploiting accepted practice by telling me something that should be known to the public, but telling me in such a way that I'll feel guilty telling even though I know that logically it should be the right thing?

There is no boundary that fits every situation. Like with many things, we have to hope that life and living have given us a good moral compass and that we don't screw up too often with questions of right and wrong behavior.

Peace,
Sadie

zeldas

08-12-2005, 02:37 PM

Well, Toy, you know I have always admired you for your honesty.
I don't know much about Scott anymore, and PESA, but do know anything you exposed about Tique people had to know. She was part of VOICES and represented us sellers, and eventually was thrown off ebay for her cheating.

No I do not like it when personal stuff is revealed, just for a board war. But, if it involves the OAI then do what you have to.......JMO and http://www.zeldas.com/asmile/2cents.gif

Therp

08-12-2005, 02:43 PM

What Sadie said. :)

Look at your motives for wanting to publish it. And look at their motives for wanting it secret. Decide what the benefits are, and what the harm may be, and make the call.

You do that far better than most TR (present company excluded, of course :D). and have been for years. Trust your judgement and do what you think best. :)

Therp

packyrat

08-12-2005, 03:02 PM

Bobby....I am sure that you are probably getting some pressure from various directions and possibly even some interesting veiled threats thanks to all of this. I have faith that you will hold to what has always driven you....getting stuff into the light of day and letting the chips fall where they may.

You made the decision to post some of scott's emails....if he doesn't like it he shove a super sized bag of fries straight up his ass. If he can't OWN his words....then he shouldn't be typing them! And if he has a problem with ME saying that....he can think long and hard about whether he wants to start seeing the ones *I* have archived showing up in the public eye before he makes any threats.

And I can guaran~fuckin~damn~tee ya that he SURE doesn't want the last IM session posted from a week or so ago when he actually had the audacity to STILL be trying to werk me, so that somebody with a rep (whatever mine is worth in reality) on the boards would still be in his corner! Suffice it to say that it started with me being one of the 2 reasons that AE was turned on and morphed to other stuff that eventually cummulnated into being "trusted" with the REAL (in his eyes) situation with ET at this point.

As far as Andrew, Jay, and the other PeSA asswipes.....there might be a few that are members for the RIGHT reasons; but anyone that believes for a single minute that they DON'T have a "us first & foremost agenda" and that most of them would probably sell their own grannies to a pimp.....well....there is a number of e-commerce positions open in Chicago you should apply for. (mark resumes ATTENTION:FRYBOY)

Never ever forget what came out of the FIRST PeSA (eBayElite) meeting: they wanted LOWER fees for THEIR auctions....and would "use their power of sales dollars on eBay" to achieve that goal. Between what was set as a foundation with that and including their passionate defense of the POS sell thru manipulator says what their concern is for everybody else that sells on eBay.

It is becoming more and more obvious each day across a half dozen boards that the ONE thing that is wanted most, is for a lot of stuff to stay behind closed doors and buried in the back of closets. It also seems pretty obvious if you read what is being said....and by whom....that the only people that are being continually bashed are the ones that keep turning on lights and making the cockroaches run for cover.

FWIW.....the only moral question I will worry about at this point is whether or not I will insert "fuck you" into replying to posts when somebody is playing games and think that *I* will drink ANYMORE KoolAid or BE anybody's assmonkey....and that applies to a lot more people than just scott!

Crank up the power on the spotlights.....it's long overdue!

SneakyDave

08-12-2005, 03:31 PM

Jay and Scott were separated at birth as the ugliest conjoined twin alive.

Its the money, and that's all that matters. Its the money. They still have aspirations of dot-com dreams. Scams, half truths, and out right lies are their MO

SneakyDave

08-12-2005, 03:32 PM

Well, and Scott wants twelve year old boys, I guess there's a small difference.

toke

08-12-2005, 03:42 PM

Forget all this stuff that's been posted, Bobby. What have YOU decided to do? It IS your decision, after all.

Kashtin

08-12-2005, 03:48 PM

A new one checking out the thread at OTWA:

pink*slap*princess

This an eBay employee or a boardie?

Kashtin

08-12-2005, 03:51 PM

Sorry about above, didn't mean to derail. Meant to put this in the ethical thread.

evilanggellene

08-12-2005, 04:01 PM

Jay and Scott were separated at birth as the ugliest conjoined twin alive.

Does Scott have a hat with his name on it too?

TR, you do what you feel is right. If you think there is something others on the outside NEED/DESERVE to know than you post it and don't feel a bit of guilt about it.

Scott's email was really no surprise. Just a confirmation.

saucepan

08-12-2005, 04:06 PM

Doesn't seem to matter if you post Scott's emails.... most people probably can't understand them anyway... I know I can't.

Other than that, if you receive PESA information, post it. Who cares what Jay or anyone else in that secret society says? If the topics they discuss are designed to make ebay better for everyone, why do they need to be hidden away?

gigilee

08-12-2005, 04:50 PM

<snipped>

Jay of JayandMarie called me a couple of days ago, to ask me not to post threads I was sent from the PeSA board anymore. He said that PeSA is doing things to help sellers on eBay, by working with eBay to change things... but what are they really doing? And if they are working to change things for themselves, are these also things that benefit the rest of us? He told me that I wasn't welcomed to do that, it was like I was coming in his house and taking things. I have some problems with that particular example, but that discussion would derail the one I want to have here.

Is PeSA operating in private, to change things on eBay? Or are they operating in secret, putting the screws to everyone who isn't in PeSA? They have publicly discussed wanting their own pricing tier on eBay... this obviously is not in the interest of the smaller seller... or the buyer either, for that matter.

The cloak and dagger routine Jay is running makes it appear that they have something to hide. Isn't this the Powerseller who is taking hours away from his thriving eBay business so he can track down and place the "PeSa leak" on double-secret probation?

If Jay wants the support of the entire eBay community, he and the other PESA members might try open communication and transparency in their dealings with that community, rather than sock-puppet propaganda communiqués. If indeed they are working on changes with eBay for the good of ALL, they might be surprised to find that a lot of active but less_than_elite eBay sellers would be supportive of their clearly expressed goals.

I personally think their goals and activities will not withstand scrutiny, hence the secrecy. If the content of purloined posts shows a clear threat to the community, I think they deserve to be examined in the sunshine.

Toy Ranch

08-12-2005, 06:55 PM

Thanks for your comments. I do appreciate all of them.

As far as PeSA goes... I don't know. Haven't decided. I've always taken it on a post-by-post basis. I've received several that I don't think merit posting. Right now, I don't have any plans to post anything, but we'll see what comes in.

The only PeSA things I've posted have been individual posts. They have been posts from Ethical affiliated persons passing Kool-Aid, and those have been posted so that the former Ethical employees can see what Scott is going on about, and what is being said about them, and the company.. and what lies are being peddled out there (by Scott or others). Also, so that everyone can see what is going on with that subject.

The others have been "pompous Jay" posts. Posts that do nothing except show how pompous Jay is and how hard he is trying to clamp down on "leaks" from PeSA.

As far as what Jay said... it was a combination of asking and telling and bribing and pleading and threatening and insulting. For instance:

Asking (paraphrased, I didn't record it or anything, lol): 'Marie suggested that I just call and ask you to stop posting threads from PeSA. She asked me if I'd done that, and I had not.'

Insulting: 'Of course, it seems like common sense to me that you would know not to do that without being asked, so it didn't occur to me to do that.'

Bribing: 'We are having a PeSA get together in Austin in October. If you'd like to come and meet us face to face, I can arrange to get you in.' (some bribe, drive 3 hours to get gang banged by PeSAs, lol)

Pleading: 'Please just stop this. It's like you are coming into my house and taking things while I'm not there.'

Threatening: 'Ina from AuctionBytes told me you were a good guy. That's not what I've seen.' and then later 'If you don't stop posting things from the PeSA board, I'm going to start kicking people out of PeSA, starting with Ina.'

(Jay knows full well that Ina has nothing to do with those posts being sent to me.)

foptiludrop

08-12-2005, 07:09 PM

You have such interesting dealings with the OAI, Toy...

I think you've done the right thing in exposing the duplicity of some Key Players by publishing the relevant portions of their emails to you. I appreciate your taking the time to edit out personal remarks that aren't at issue.

I also think your perseverence in this whole Ethical saga is remarkable. :1clap2:

bluekazoo

08-12-2005, 07:27 PM

I don't know anything about Jay other than that he is the 'jay' of 'jayandmarie', the one-cent cd sellers on ebay. I've never done business with them on ebay, but I don't remember why ... I know I've looked at their auctions on occasion while searching for one thing or another, but usually opted to bid on someone else's item ... I don't really remember why - it may have been shipping costs, or it may have been something else that turned me off. So I've read these threads with interest, but it's the interest of someone who is pretty much on the outside, looking in .... about the same way I read some offbeat news stories on google news.

I know a little bit about manipulative personalities and I will say that when a person goes from wheedling to pleading to bribing to threatening that they're looking for whichever button will work -- in order to GET THEIR OWN WAY ... to get the end result they're hoping for -- and probably little else. It's not much different, really, than a small child trying *everything* to get his way --- when begging doesn't work, he throws a tantrum, when a tantrum doesn't work he makes promises. It's just plain manipulative. When my grandson behaves that way, he's usually sent to his room to settle down. That behavior in an adult is so blatant that it's embarassing.

Privacy ... vs secrecy ... it's a judgment call, I suppose. And everybody probably draws the line in a slightly different spot. I guess in the broadest sense I view privacy concerns as being benign to others, while secrecy has the potential to do harm -- to other individuals, or to a group of people. But even with that broad definition, there's gray areas.

I admire your willingness to explore your own thoughts about this - a lot of people - far too many, IMO - are willing to post whatever, whenever, for their own purposes. Your thoughtful OP indicates that you take this all very seriously. That's admirable. So I have no doubt that you already know, in your own mind, where the lines lie, and also have little doubt that you would cross them. Still, it makes for interesting discussion and some long hard thinking for everyone, whether involved directly or not.

Kudos Bobby.

Surreal

08-12-2005, 09:08 PM

Come on Bobby, you know as well as I do that a large part of FrenchFryBoy's power lies in secrecy.

Drag his musty ass out into the light of day and he's seen for what he really is - a sad, drugged out user of people.

Your head is on straight and your heart is in the right place. I'm convinced of that.

Jeff

Toy Ranch

08-12-2005, 09:18 PM

kailin

08-13-2005, 09:19 AM

If you don't question yourself, and listen to others, your head can get turned around real quick.

Indeed. Thank you, Bobby :)

Looks like even in Texas some people understand the value of humility ;) And of life-long learning.

:1neko:

Whammo

08-13-2005, 09:56 AM

What is a "level playing field" where capitalism and free enterprise is concerned? How is the term defined? Is there even such a thing?

Where eBay is concerned, The term "level playing field" here sort of reminds me of the term "community". It's vapor-speak and marketing hype. Buzzwords and phrases, designed to give a "feel good" false sense of fairness and ethics in a business world where very little of that really exists.

I know what would help me feel better about all of this though. eBay should make a rule, limiting PESA members ego inflation to 40 PSI maximum. That would level the playing field from blimp sized ego's, to weather baloon size. What a great start that would be.

packyrat

08-13-2005, 10:38 AM

whammo!!!!

You need to come scrape the coffee stains off my monitor and help get the soggy drips outta my keyboard before they dry!!!!

:1rotfl1: :1rotfl2: :1rotflmao

You get 50 Ross Points for THAT post! :1clap4:

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 11:33 AM

What is a "level playing field" where capitalism and free enterprise is concerned? How is the term defined? Is there even such a thing?

Where eBay is concerned, The term "level playing field" here sort of reminds me of the term "community". It's vapor-speak and marketing hype. Buzzwords and phrases, designed to give a "feel good" false sense of fairness and ethics in a business world where very little of that really exists.

I think the "level playing field" is the fact that fees are the same for all sellers, and the fact that the basic search results are distributed evenly for all sellers. Except as this tool is concerned.

I know what would help me feel better about all of this though. eBay should make a rule, limiting PESA members ego inflation to 40 PSI maximum. That would level the playing field from blimp sized ego's, to weather baloon size. What a great start that would be.

What Packy said :D

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 11:33 AM

even in Texas

Hey, now!

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 11:37 AM

Threatening: 'Ina from AuctionBytes told me you were a good guy. That's not what I've seen.' and then later 'If you don't stop posting things from the PeSA board, I'm going to start kicking people out of PeSA, starting with Ina.'

(Jay knows full well that Ina has nothing to do with those posts being sent to me.)

Jay sent an email to Ina, the PeSA board, and myself stating that this is a lie.

FYI I never said or implied this. "If you don't stop posting things from the PeSA board, I'm going to start kicking people out of PeSA, starting with Ina." I have no ability to kick anyone out of PeSA. That's a lie, and Bobby knows it. I suppose the next thing Bobby will do will be to start fabricating complete PeSA postings and emails and posting them to message boards as if they were true.

I replied to Jay and Ina, however the PeSA board was BCC'd and could not reply to them as well. This is what I said:

No, it's what you said, and you know it.

Possibly, you said "we will start kicking people out of PeSA, starting with Ina".

As I said, I didn't tape the conversation and am going from memory, however you did, in fact, threaten Ina's PeSA membership based on whether or not I posted anything else from the PeSA board. That is the absolute truth.

Bobby

thentavius

08-13-2005, 11:47 AM

What I want to know, is what kind of an organization keeps their "top secret data" on a message board? Even a private one? That's kind of like hiding your top secret documents in a plastic storage box with a little kid sized padlock. It's totally reckless and insecure--with a false sense of security.

Secondly, when it comes to choosing if I reveal something or if I don't reveal something--it is all based on the situation, parties involved, and potential outcomes of telling or not telling.

I tend to try and do the right thing when it presents itself. Sometimes doing the right thing goes hand in hand with sharing a secret. I don't like to share secrets, and I only do so if I feel as though NOT sharing it would be harmful to many people.

If information I have can help a lot of people--I consider telling it. Here are some of the situations that might be "do the right thing" scenarios:

--If the info would help people make an educated decision about a situation which they are only getting partial information about (and if that decision was an important one),

--If it would help keep people safe, warn them away from harm or danger, or allow them to do something more safely.

--If only privileged people heard information that would impact the lives of many others--and if that information could be shared, more would beneft.

and so on...

It really all depends upon what's at stake and whether or not the information is helpful or useful on many levels, or if it's just sheer cruelty. For example, if a friend told me they have chronic constipation--I wouldn't tell everyone in the office just for fun (cruel and unneccessary). If a friend, who was an airline pilot, told me he had narcolepsy and was proud of the fact that he had concealed it from the airline systems--I would probably have to tell someone about it, or fear he may harm innocent people (I would feel terrible about betraying my friend's trust--but should he be a pilot with that condition? It would be for the safety of everyone involved).

You get the idea, I think.

Whammo

08-13-2005, 12:08 PM

I think the "level playing field" is the fact that fees are the same for all sellers, and the fact that the basic search results are distributed evenly for all sellers. Except as this tool is concerned.

What Packy said :D

Hi Bobby,

Yes, I understand the term "level playing field" in the context you mention. (within eBay) But what about the overall context of capitalism and our entire free market system of being in business, what is a "level playing field" in that arena?

Big money can afford big advantages, everywhere in the free business world. eBay will be no different. I'd like to be wrong about that but this is how it looks to me.

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 12:16 PM

Hi Bobby,

Yes, I understand the term "level playing field" in the context you mention. (within eBay) But what about the overall context of capitalism and our entire free market system of being in business, what is a "level playing field" in that arena?

Big money can afford big advantages, everywhere in the free business world. eBay will be no different. I'd like to be wrong about that but this is how it looks to me.

At some point, I think you are right. eBay will be no different. And that point will be eBay's undoing.

The really humorous and ironic thing is that the day that happens, and PeSA gets pricing cuts... the top CD seller on eBay will find that Sam Goody and CD Warehouse and Tower Records will be on eBay selling their Used CD's at 99¢ with no reserve, too.

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 12:17 PM

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 12:19 PM

Jeez, that was a post nightmare...

1¢ rather than 99¢ with no reserve, and the second post of the double is the one that was supposed to get posted.

Ugh...

evilanggellene

08-13-2005, 12:20 PM

Well, I guess Ina's membership in PESA is pretty safe NOW isn't it?

I probably would have just called his bluff and told him to starting kicking folks out. Probably the best thing you could do for them.

rossshow

08-13-2005, 12:32 PM

I've had some emails with Jay, over the past couple days. I mean, I like Jay, but, he IS an ass.

I told him to go right ahead and start giving PESA users the boot.

I told him that even IF he accidentally boots the "mole" someone won't like his tactics, and then THAT person will begin mole'ing.

I told him that ALL private boards have moles, and he's all like PESA "is different", I told him that "a board's a board" and if he didn't know that: it's not my place to school him.

My suspension is over, and I was able to log into the PESA.

10x

08-13-2005, 12:35 PM

"I told him that ALL private boards have moles, and he's all like PESA "is different", I told him that "a board's a board" and if he didn't know that: it's not my place to school him."

LMAO time will teach him diferent.

As for not taking your advice, well show how big an ego, or idiot they are. :1bradquac

Whammo

08-13-2005, 12:37 PM

At some point, I think you are right. eBay will be no different. And that point will be eBay's undoing.

The really humorous and ironic thing is that the day that happens, and PeSA gets pricing cuts... the top CD seller on eBay will find that Sam Goody and CD Warehouse and Tower Records will be on eBay selling their Used CD's at 99¢ with no reserve, too. And with fees lower than theirs.

Yes, I agree with the eBay's undoing thing, and I don't say that lightly having seen and participated in numerous past predictions of atmospheric collapse.

Selling SEO on eBay's search, AND/OR pricing/perking a lot of people out, will have major effects. MAJOR.

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 12:38 PM

I've had some emails with Jay, over the past couple days.

Yeah, I know, I read the one he forwarded to me.

rossshow

08-13-2005, 12:41 PM

Yeah, I know, I read the one he forwarded to me.

LOL! What one? The one I'm talking about?

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 12:44 PM

CYPM, Ross

boardbimbo

08-13-2005, 01:23 PM

TR, what you are talking about is a need for transparency on the PESA board. If they presume to change ANYTHING on ebay, every seller--nickel and dime to $100,000 per month in fees--has a vested interest in what they do. Any changes they bring on, good or bad, impacts all sellers.

My two cents.

evilanggellene

08-13-2005, 01:45 PM

I told him that ALL private boards have moles, and he's all like PESA "is different", I told him that "a board's a board" and if he didn't know that: it's not my place to school him.

Boy, he is naive. In any large group there is always ONE that is working both side of the fence and like you said you boot that one and someone else just steps up to the plate. Hey, sometimes people even join a group just so they can report back.

thentavius

08-13-2005, 01:55 PM

I told him to go right ahead and start giving PESA users the boot.

I told him that even IF he accidentally boots the "mole" someone won't like his tactics, and then THAT person will begin mole'ing.

I told him that ALL private boards have moles, and he's all like PESA "is different", I told him that "a board's a board" and if he didn't know that: it's not my place to school him.

Precisely.

Which leads me to ask again--what kind of an organization discusses their so-called private plans on a MESSAGE BOARD? Even a so-called private one?

Why don't they use some other method--all the time?

What kind of person thinks that data is safe and private on a MESSAGE BOARD?!

I thought these people were supposed to be at least a little bit savvy?

FLvamp

08-13-2005, 01:58 PM

I thought these people were supposed to be at least a little bit savvy?
Good point. ;)

boardbimbo

08-13-2005, 02:04 PM

Not only that, but do you really think the powers that be at Ebay cannot get access to those boards? Even the private ones? And if you are plotting a way to argue a price break with eBay, you aren't going to surprise them in any way.

thentavius

08-13-2005, 02:10 PM

Yep, yep!

I am just amazed that they think no one is listening. Kind of like kids in a secret club whispering in a bathroom stall at school--thinking no one in the next two stalls, at the sinks, or even at the bathroom door can hear! :)

Toy Ranch

08-13-2005, 02:16 PM

Actually, one of Jay's complaints was that they finally had eBay posting on their board, and eBay said they would not post there if there were "leaks" from the board. (The PeSA forum is an eBay Group, not a board on their site).

Which begs the question... what is eBay posting there that they don't want to get out.

thentavius

08-13-2005, 02:25 PM

Which begs the question... what is eBay posting there that they don't want to get out.

Tiered discounted pricing structures.

Discounted fees on the inevitable, upcoming duration-difference price.

10x

08-13-2005, 02:32 PM

"what is eBay posting there that they don't want to get out."

Hmmm this just get better and better. Whos a mole???

Muhahahhahahahahahahaahahah. :1mole:

rossshow

08-13-2005, 03:01 PM

http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=32655

low-tide

08-13-2005, 07:26 PM

Well, as far as I can tell, PESA is simply a lobbyist group, but they only lobby for themselves.
The Professional eBay Sellers Alliance was founded as a forum for the exchange of ideas specific to the issues faced by high volume merchants on eBay.
I'm strictly a penny-ante seller, sometimes months go by & I don't sell, or buy.
They (PESA) hold nothing for me, would gain nothing for me.
And like any other lobbying group, they're highest regard is for their own profitability. And like other lobbyists, deals are there to be made, bargains struck, and mum's the word.
Sure ebay gets a lot of its revenues from high-volume seller's fees; how does that compare with the combined fees of all the rest of the small time sellers?

If ebay gives PESA members advantageous deals that regular sellers don't get, they I consider that "secret" , not "private". And, like corrupt government, dirty deals need to be exposed. If they got nothing to hide, what's all the fuss about?