EBAY Pink (exec level employee) MANIFESTOS!

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As reported HERE:

p077.ezboard.com/fross982...3957.topic (http://p077.ezboard.com/fross98289ross.showMessage?topicID=3957.topic)

The T&S board may soon feel the full wrath (deservedly) of ebay:

forums.ebay.com/db2/threa...&start=153 (http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=200117160&start=153)

However, I must also say that I will not post to the boards (vs. just reading them) as long as I am treated this way nor will I ask my team to post if it results in the same type of personal ridicule. I simply don't think anyone deserves to be treated like so disparagingly.

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Matt Halprin, Vice-President, Global Marketplace Policy Manangement.

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Un-Manifesto

forums.ebay.com/db2/threa...&start=175 (http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=200117160&start=175)

[10x]

got to read that mess. LOL

[10x]

Who ever posted there as an employee should be fired.

[peeep]

Roy, perhaps they were directed to post there.

[10x]

LOL then whomever did such shoud be fired.

[tekobari]

i remember when this all used to matter to me. maybe volunteering to help feed the homeless has given me more satisfaction...as in doing something valuable rather than volunteering free time for a corporation?

[peeep]

ditto that tek.

[wasabanker]

I find it curious how Matt was blasting folks for being uncivil for six (6!) pages before he found a recent post that might be considered less than cordial. And that post was still more cordial than kelley's classic, "don't let the door hit you" from her very first T&S post.

Many folks have worked customer service jobs at one time or another. The number of disgruntled customers is an amazingly high percentage of those you deal with. Perhaps upward of 95% of the top of my head. I wonder what Matt thinks makes him immune to dealing with the same quality and quantity of customers.

[blissmeister]

I was wondering how long the thread will last before its removed.

[Generally Dynamic]

I love to see tentwentytwo get his panties in a bind. Way to go, Matt!

[heavymetalmusic1]

I got a laugh at this from orange caped:

"Hey I know! Make everyone applying for PS status post on this board first, and we'll review whether or not they meet "minimum levels". "

So, she wants to scrutinize power sellers on the board and determine if they're worthy or not.

Stacy is a fucking bitch!!

Orange Caped is like a little Nazi. She smacks people on the snout for giving bad advice.
She thinks she has friends on there but everybody just pretends to like her.
She LOVES to talk to pinks on the phone, especially Avery who listens and acts on her every whim.

Why they haven't booted this busy body bitch from ebay, I'll never know.

[heavymetalmusic1]

here's 2 old posts from orange caped where she shows her hatred of pinks:


orange_cape_hides_me (private) (view author's auctions)
11/25/04 12:00 AM(#90 of 193)

Stinky - for once I believe you've not stated your feelings strongly enough.

I'm so p.o.'d I could spit. But I know my manners, unlike others.

Kelley is a brain dead employee of Ebay. And they would do so much better without her. She is just an employee - and that does NOT make her right. In fact we all know she is wrong.

But this is a "moderator" that admits she sanctioned someone in error - but refuses to lift the sanction. This is someone who has discussed board posters with other board posters in emails. I have seen it. Kelley plays games and has an agenda. I think you've all seen it.

I have been the subject of her inquiries at T&S. I heard all about it. She definitely is out of her league at times, and rather than admitting her limitations and trying to LEARN, she just compounds things by continuing to make errors that effect others.

Now, do you want to know what I wish for Christmas? It's pink, but it includes the word "slip" for one Ebay employee. It's long overdue.

I have tried to keep quiet for a long time about Kelley and her activities. But I think that what she posted tonight, and how she handled that thread pretty well demonstrates what she is like.

But again it comes down to this: We ebayers come to EXPECT more from Ebay and their personnel. Yet we are constantly disappointed. Nothing changes. And in that Ebay is an anomoly - a very successful company that is run on the premise that the most incompentent are entitled to a job, too.


Now, I'd like to offer up to everyone else wishes for a very happy thanksgiving, excluding the pond detris that we are all familiar with. The old bag with no life that lives to project her opinions and emotions on others, wreaking havoc in her wake, uncaring about the effect, with no pathos or consideration for any other human being. She can eat dirt for all I care.

Caped~

*p.s. Hi JATS! Gobble gobble girl!!*




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orange_cape_hides_me (private) (view author's auctions)
11/25/04 12:24 AM(#104 of 209)

All complaints should be sent to Kelley's boss: Claire who is in charge of Community Development at Ebay.

Claire@ebay.com should work. Most employees just use their first name.

And please do write. And send a link to that thread. What Kelley posted was WRONG. And we all know it.

Also, to those who are in Voices, could you please bring this to your groups? Proposed board posting rules change: anyone that contacts the other party in a transaction that is being discussed on the boards without the permission of the OP (the 1st transactional partner) gets sanctioned.

I will also recommend it to the group I am working with.

Also, I think maybe some moderator reshuffling may be in order? I think Kelley has lost everyone's respect, or what little was left for her.

Caped~


((((2k)))))((((((T-G))))))

[Caped Crusader DC27]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Who ever posted there as an employee should be fired.<hr></blockquote> Roy, that is such a stupid thing to say, even for a fucking retarded clown like you.
<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>maybe volunteering to help feed the homeless has given me more satisfaction...as in doing something valuable rather than volunteering free time for a corporation?<hr></blockquote> Exactly.

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LOL

[newslady]

Isn't tentwentytwo Sgt. Mike?

[Heartland Antiques]

I'm so p.o.'d I could spit. But I know my manners, unlike others. :iroller Apparently one of her multiple personalities must have written the rest of the post, and she's completely unaware of how RUDE it was.

I wonder if any of those people own a single share of stock in eBay. They foolishly believe that they have some say in how the company is run and who is hired and fired. They feel esteemed and exhalted that some middle manager at eBay will talk to them once in a while. They think a company vice-president (of which there are probably dozens) can completely transform a global corporation at their whim. They think they can do a better job while sitting on their asses in their pajamas. They have no clue what professionalism means. They're nothing more than (to borrow a term from another thread) boiler-room wannabes. They wouldn't last a day inside the building, especially if they had to deal with hysterical netcops like themselves.

If tentwentytwo had a screaming meltdown like that in any company, he'd be out on his ass in two seconds flat, most likely escorted by security. If Orange Caped publicly gossiped about, harangued and insulted another employee in front of all the customers and employees alike, as she did in those posts above, she'd be kicked to the curb, whether she was an employee or a customer. Yet they believe they have free reign to mock, insult, deride, and even threaten employees with campaigns to get them fired. And their excuse for this shameful behavior? "Well, someone from eBay was rude to us first a long time ago, plus we're frustrated!" :lol

[peeep]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They think they can do a better job while sitting on their asses in their pajamas. <hr></blockquote>

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[happy is here]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They wouldn't last a day inside the building, especially if they had to deal with hysterical netcops like themselves.<hr></blockquote>

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[heavymetalmusic1]

another whine by caped:

"Matt, if you think we are tough here, you should see the comments posted about the volunteers that devote time to help others that are posted off of Ebay. There are many who apparently think fraudulent auctions should not be reported, volunteers should not exist, and candone fraudulent acts. Their "love of Ebay" and the site translates into threats against many posters here."


Yeah, ebay..why don't you crack down on other sites.
wouldn't want your free helpers to get their widdle feelings hurt.

*shakes head*

[blissmeister]

I think that pinkliner is actually a sock belonging to none-other-than kurt@ebay.com. How much does anyone wanna bet?:jest

[Heartland Antiques]

There are many who apparently think fraudulent auctions should not be reported, volunteers should not exist, and candone fraudulent acts. What a crock of shit! The truth is there are many who know for certain that she and her posse look psycho going around playing internet cop and blowing their own horns all the time for doing the same thing that those with better manners do quietly and efficiently. Those loudmouth blowhards seem to not have an inkling that there are HUNDREDS of people who fight fraud every day on eBay and have no pathological need to publicize it or get praise for it, nor do they feel the need to be part of the mob mentality on the boards.

Hell, if they so desperately need even more justification for their existence than they get from their mob, they should go back to kindergarten, and everyone will clap for them and say "YAY!" when they color inside the lines. :irollers2

Some people just have no class. If I have to hear one more time, "Oh, my e-mail inbox is just chock FULL of e-mails from people who need my help!" I think I'll barf. That is one of the oldest bullshit lines on the help boards, born long before this current crop of netcops came along, and no one with half a brain falls for it.

[heavymetalmusic1]

i think i like you, sandy. :)

we think exactly alike.

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forums.ebay.com/db2/threa...&start=420 (http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=200117160&start=420)

I had to post a reply to Caped. What a crock.

[heavymetalmusic1]

good post, ross.:clap3

i'd post if i could.

anybody able to do so..do it.

[Heartland Antiques]

And you were immediately trolled by tentwentytwo.

See, they just made our point for us. If you're not part of their "mob" then you're going to get flamed just for posting ON TOPIC to a thread and disagreeing with one of their own.

[Heartland Antiques]

i think i like you, sandy. What's not to like? hehehe! :gamecock2

[peeep]

I always enjoy watching a few of them puff up like roosters while they crow of single handedly taking down a scammer. When I first started reading the boards I thought, surely these people are jesting. Surely! It's really some of the best comedy around.

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Error: you do not have permission to view the requested forum or category.

My last post to the thread.

""Hi all:

An example of why many eBay employees won't post on the boards:

"Go away and maybe Ebay will hire some one who has an IQ high enough to be able to see the reality of the need for clear policy and action due to violation."

Matt"

Hmm show me some folks here that have not had this done to them??? The ones that have still post here, dont they!

You Mat made the statements you made.
My reaction to it was both anger and cynicism. Your reaction is a simple example.

Good.

The reactions of others were expected also.

You see Mat that such stuff goes on all the time. You stated you were a bit stressed, and are still posting to this thread.

Good again.

You have stated you are trying to improve eBay.

Good.

I do ask you to listen to the folks here, as most do care, contrary to what it may seem at times. LOL

Do I understand that your job is difficult. Yes.

Do I understand that due to frustration folks will attack an eBay employee? Yes.

Do you and eBay folk understand this??

I am sure you do. I am sure eBay’s folk still get frustrated. This is normal reactions by the eBay folks, normal reactions by the volunteers help, and a normal reaction by me to some one manipulating a board using employee status to do so.

You method of coming to this thread created a defensive format right from the beginning. And we are supposedly to take it. Well for the most part the folks here did.

You are pushing your agenda. You started by manipulating this board and its posters.

You have some good ideas, but as usual most folks still see the system as being part of the problem thus causing the experiences you get on the board.

By the way Mat, Good try, and some of what you are doing is good.

One question again: WHO GETS THE MONEY? "


ROTFLMAO. Not even a notice.

[Heartland Antiques]

Are you kidding me? That post wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others! I had trouble with the first part of it, but the last part was more decipherable. :b

But, explain this, because I don't understand it.

a normal reaction by me to some one manipulating a board using employee status to do so. How exactly was he "manipulating" the board? Do you think eBay employees should not post to the boards in order to clarify and/or discuss policy? I don't understand how you think his coming there and getting attacked amounts to manipulation.

It looks to me as if some eBay members prefer that only they have the right to say any rotten thing that pops out of their mouth, but when someone on the other side of the table, who they're supposedly working with, tries to explain the effect their uncouth behavior is having on that side of the table, they scream and cry like wounded banshees.

[10x]

"I don't understand how you think his coming there and getting attacked amounts to manipulation."

He has a adgenda to get his ideas pushed through. He set the tone for the game. Not me, not any other user.

[tekobari]

He has a adgenda to get his ideas pushed through.so do you. so does everyone. an open agenda isn't manipulation, and he was as open as he could be. a hidden agenda is probably what you're talking about, and that doesn't apply here.

[Cyber Diva]

How exactly was he "manipulating" the board? Do you think eBay employees should not post to the boards in order to clarify and/or discuss policy? I don't understand how you think his coming there and getting attacked amounts to manipulation.

It looks to me as if some eBay members prefer that only they have the right to say any rotten thing that pops out of their mouth, but when someone on the other side of the table, who they're supposedly working with, tries to explain the effect their uncouth behavior is having on that side of the table, they scream and cry like wounded banshees.

Good points! eBay's finally trying to do away with bad behavior! What's wrong with that? :cheer

[10x]

"If you all don't support these - I'm not sure others will."
Tone set and game is set by MATT. Gets worse from there.
Hmm

[heavymetalmusic2]

caped fights back:



orange_cape_hides_me (26 ) View Listings | Report Jun-27-05 13:47 PDT 454 of 478
Ross, I fail to see where anything that occurs on this board justifies threats made against the posters.

Yet you must condone that by not addressing that, would I be correct?

You are entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. And mine is that threats against the posters, their children and family negates the theory you are trying to espouse.

I rely on the dictionary for my definition of "vigilante". Yours obvious originates elsewhere.

What ever makes you happy, fine with me. But threats are not acceptable.

I also fail to see the difference between anyone being called out for their deceptive practices here, yet it's o.k. to do the same on an off Ebay board? If it's public, it's the same, right?

Have a great day, I'm not into debates. Been great seeing you stop by. Why don't you stick around and help some posters? You have a world of information to share.

Caped~

[Heartland Antiques]

What threat? Who made a threat?

[heavymetal5]

What threat? Who made a threat?

her imagination did.

[heavymetal5]

Sandy,

Caped is complaining to a pink about an antiques seller that's she's been trying to get suspended for the last 3 years.

Is she talking about you?

You would think that after 3 years of relentless reporting, Caped would have figured out that there's nothing wrong with this seller.
This is the same type of attitude that Chopshumper has.

I call it stalking and harassment.

[Heartland Antiques]

LOL, no, I don't think she's talking about me. I was giving advice on T&S long before anyone had ever heard of her, so I'm well aware of eBay policies, and I follow them. I haven't even listed anything since Feb. or Mar., anyway. I don't list much, if anything, in the summer.

[Heartland Antiques]

You made a good point, though. After three years, I'd say it's time to get over it.

A few years back, when eBay was still young, I knew a seller who had her sister shill bid on her items. The sister lived in another state, had a different last name. eBay could not prove it was shilling and certainly no netcop could prove it. The only way would've been to the get the FBI involved and get copies of phone records, e-mail, etc. to prove they know each other. The FBI has better things to do than to worry about a few $25 shills on glass bowls. I knew about it firsthand and even I couldn't do anything about it.

Just as all crime cannot be stopped, all eBay fraud cannot be stopped. It's asinine to think otherwise, and especially to think that *you* (general you) can stop it all. That's when it becomes a frustrating obssession instead of a healthy interest.

[bannedin49states]

Matt had said that he had a seller they were about to suspend so Caped starts throthing at the mouth and says:

"BTW, you mentioned that action may be taken on a large seller soon regarding shill bidding. I have a "favorite" I've reported going on 3 years now. I'm hoping you're talking about my "friend" in the antiques area. If not, want a referral?"

How sick is this bitch, Caped?

Get a fucking life!!

Caped and Chopolonsky are two peas in a pod.

That's why I need to take Chopo down now.

You can be god damned if I'm going to have this asshole on my ass for years to come.

I'll take care of this fuckwad sooner or later.

[bannedin49states]

Matt has has enough of these fucking turds.
He got Claire to post this today at the top of the T&S board:


Courteous and Respectful Posting is Expected

claire@ebay.com View Listings | Report Jun-28-05 12:31 PDT

Hello everyone,

We've been hearing from folks who use the boards that the expectation of "courteous and respectful posting from all participants" needs more attention. We've been troubled for some time that this essential element seems to fall by the wayside too often.

We should all be able to have a discussion without attack. Debate can be conducted without insult. Frustration can be expressed without personalization. Interpersonal issues need to be worked out privately between the people involved, not on the boards. And feuds have no place on eBay.

All of us who use the boards - members, staff, newcomers, and regulars - need to know we can come to a board - any board - and find welcome. We don't necessarily expect to always find agreement or comfort, but, as Louise used to say "there's always time for courtesy", and everyone - everyone - deserves that.

As you know, you are the first line of moderation of the forums. You use the Report Link to alert the moderation team to possible violations, so that posts can be reviewed. From time to time, trends begin in these violations, and we step up our action in accordance with your reports.

Posts that are not "courteous and respectful" will be removed when reported, and further action taken as appropriate.

This is nothing new - that expectation has been in place for many years. We had truly hoped the Community could work this part out without need for our intervention. But you've let us know the "expectation" alone is not enough for this time, and thus, we'll be backing it up with firmer enforcement. So, we'll be raising the bar and setting a higher expectation for polite behavior in reviewing the posts you report.

In addition, we'd like to remind everyone that eBay may remove any post or thread at any time, without notice. Sometimes a thread which starts out as a great discussion of differing viewpoints may fall into a battle between a few people, or may go so far off topic that the original purpose is lost. In these cases, threads which have become the focus of interpersonal disputes, or which have been taken far off topic, may be removed entirely, without warning, notice or explanation.

For more information, please review the Board Usage Policy Explanation:
forums.ebay.com/db2/forum...rumID=2005 (http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jspa?forumID=2005)

Claire

[Heartland Antiques]

Hmmmmm. I see this as the first step in weeding out those who have no self-control. I expect there will be a lot of sanctions in the weeks to come, and probably more boycotts, since the posse will throw a huge hissy if one of their own gets sanctioned. Ought to be interesting.

[rumplingrover]

I originally posted on the Feedback board.
They're cracking down there too.
I know at least 6 that are permantly sanctioned.

I wrote an email to Matt telling him to get rid of Caped as she's a nuisance to all ebayers and the company.

Hopefully he'll take my advice.

Maybe I should get a 70-100 person posse together and flood ebay with complaints about those turds.

[Heartland Antiques]

Maybe I should get a 70-100 person posse together :rofl3 You only need ten. You can always just say it was 70-100 when you brag about it and pretend to be in charge of the whole thing.

[bakingcookies99]

You only need ten. You can always just say it was 70-100 when you brag about it and pretend to be in charge of the whole thing.


Do I have to get a divorce, beat my wife and call myself Nukey first?

[peeep]

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[Cyber Diva]

Courteous and Respectful Posting is Expected

:rofl3

What planet is he from? :lol

[Cyber Diva]

Hello everyone,

We've been hearing from folks who use the boards that the expectation of "courteous and respectful posting from all participants" needs more attention. We've been troubled for some time that this essential element seems to fall by the wayside too often....

If they were "troubled for some time" why did they wait until Matt showed up to do something about it? :lol

[Exceptio Metus]

Don't worry everyone Base is on the situation now so rest easy. He says he will not rest until eBay goes bankrupt or the employees who wronged him and others are put to death.

www.theauctionwatch.com/f...php?t=1664 (http://www.theauctionwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1664)

So many employees so little time eh, Base?

[bannedin49states]

If they were "troubled for some time" why did they wait until Matt showed up to do something about it?

because matt came in there to post some new policys and orange caped and a few others tried to rip him a new asshole.

matt came and fired back and said he was sick of the insults and to smarten up.

next day claire posts some new 'rules'.

I hope some sanctions are in order. :)

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"Courteous and Respectful Posting is Expected"
"If they were "troubled for some time" why did they wait until Matt showed up to do something about it?"

LOL a whole damn policy for me, all due to ME pissing of the big boy Mat... ROTFLLMAO.
Sanctioned without notice. Damn I am good. LOL

[Heartland Antiques]

Roy, do you know if anyone else on that thread got sanctioned? If you got sanctioned for what you posted, which I don't think was harsh at all, then tentwentytwo had to have been sanctioned. If not, something is very wrong.

[10x]

Dont have a clue about any one else, But I am not authorized to use the boards.

BFD.

The no notice what so ever is amusing though. Tells me service is relay off from the good old days. LOL

[10x]

forums.ebay.com/db2/threa...&start=520 (http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=200117160&start=520)

This page has some most interesting points.
Ah they shoud be glad I am not posting, Hell I would even be using speell check fer em.