OTWA on the subject of GOD

[r0ss]

Well, here's a double threat. TV and God:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29470 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29470)

Thanks for starting that thread Spaz.

And this one, by Toyranch:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29502 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29502)

[sadie999]

It's a shame that the Joan of Arcadia thread had to be derailed by someone who has been so obsessed with Terri Schiavo for years that it's actually painful to read their posts.

Toy's thread is the more important of course, but so terrifying that it's hard to respond to.

Peace,
Sadie

[sadie999]

Shit. That wasn't meant as a slam at Spaz, only that law is a little more important than a tv show.

No offense was intended. Ack.

[Caped Crusader DC27]

I don't watch Joan of Arcadia. When I want to see a show about a fictional being with super powers, I watch Smallville.

[krisinluck]

The few times I've managed to catch Joan of Arcadia (damn those Friday night shifts for being top pay for bartenders!) I have really enjoyed it. It's not preachy or "religious" - it deals with spiritual issues rather than "churchy" issues. And that is likely just what will earn it the ax in these new days. Booo.

Last time we mixed politics and religion, people got burned at the stake.

[sadie999]

I like shows about supernatural stuff. Xfiles, Charmed, Joan of Arcadia, Medium, Buffy, Angel. The whole Good vs Evil thing.

If as an atheist, I can't enjoy a well written show with the presumption of God's existence as its theme, then I'm no better than any thumper who won't watch Bewitched because witchcraft is "evil."

Entertainment. That's all it is.

Also: waving at Kris. :)

Peace,
Sadie

[Toy Ranch]

that law

Oh, I really do hope not... for the time being, it is just a bill. Only a bill. Sitting there on Capitol Hill....

[Caped Crusader DC27]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I like shows about supernatural stuff. Xfiles, Charmed, Joan of Arcadia, Medium, Buffy, Angel. The whole Good vs Evil thing.

[Sir Moose]

those bastards! Carnivale was the best show to have been on TV since the third season of X-Files.
:mad

[Heartland Antiques]

I loved Carnivale! And to think it was beaten down by a bunch of Desperate Housewives. :tantrum

[r0ss]

Speaking of OTWA, Sadie busts a rude neo-con

And Steve, Twinsoft, now named Jane says:

Why don't you take this sh*t to TRB where it belongs.

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29541 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29541)

[r0ss]

And Spaz starts another good thread:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29512 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29512)

[Caped Crusader DC27]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Speaking of OTWA, Sadie busts a rude neo-con<hr></blockquote> You don't supposed <a href="http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:yeEAXhqQUxUJ:www.sexyads.net/gallery.html%3Frs%3D2148%26rid%3D1763079636%26pgid %3D20+parklane64&hl=en" target="_blank">this</a> Parklane64 is the same rude neo-con, do you?

[sadie999]

OMG - SexyAds! Hahahahahahahaha. I'm dyin' here. LOLOLOL. :rofl3

You think he's got a shot with Wetwood4u? http://server1.inlandnet.com/~jilittle/rolling.gif

[Caped Crusader DC27]

Not by the looks of him, no, but Brit_69 is kind of cute. <img border=0 src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif" />

[FLvamp]

Hey Sadie! Ya forgot Star Trek!

:spin2

tee hee

[r0ss]

Puzzlegoddess spices up THIS thread:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29541 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29541)

[r0ss]

Jim makes a poor moderation decision, this thread belongs in Cross Fire

www.otwa.com/community/sh...ge=2&pp=25 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29378&page=2&pp=25)

[toke2]

Yanno, Jane may have been Twinsoft in a former incarnation (and, god knows I didn't like Twinsoft), but I don't care. Anyone can change, for better or worse.

Twinsoft was a jerk, but I like Jane.

[r0ss]

OK, then.

[Eriu]

This is for Sadie and Kris.

I loved Touched by an Angel. That show did not try to push anything (IMHO), but it did make a person think.

I miss it. Especially since I loved Della Reese. :)

[sadie999]

Eriu,

I like that show sometimes also and for Della 'cuz she is hot.

Sometimes it was a little sweetsy for me, but sometimes Charmed is a little brain dead for me, but I like watching women kick ass, so what can I do?

Vampie,

I'm almost afraid I'll get egged at this board for saying this... I've never really gotten into Star Trek. I liked the very first shows w/Shatner and the gang, and I liked a couple of the movies, but that's about it. Oh, and I thought the skit that Belushi did where he played Shatner when Star Trek was cancelled was freakin' hilarious.

I feel like such a failure. ;)

Peace,
Sadie

[blue kazooey]

Shatner?

Loved his rendition of "HEY! Mr. Tambourine Man" ...

Say what you will about his acting ... the man could SING!!!

:rofl3

[peeep]

I hated Touched by an Angel.

Shatner fans might like Boston Legal.

[Toy Ranch]

www.bigwaste.com/shatner/index.shtml (http://www.bigwaste.com/shatner/index.shtml)

www.bigwaste.com/shatner/guestbook.shtml (http://www.bigwaste.com/shatner/guestbook.shtml)

[sadie999]

The First Church of Shatnerology (http://www.shatnerology.com/)

Here at the First Church of Shatnerology, we worship the holy essences of the most benevolent ShatnerBeing! We are transfixed by his magnificent TOUPEE and girth! As you read, you will learn secrets that will change your life! Seductive philosophy huh?!

Putting a Shatnerologist in a room full of ordinary people is like putting a velociraptor in a room full of wiener dogs.

:lol

[r0ss]

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29593 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29593)

Muckletroll says:

I've been warning all of you for several years that these sorts of measures would be happening. Look for additional measures including digital angel. It really doesn't matter what your party is and politics has little to do with it...this stuff is going to keep on happening. Get used to it.


End times, he says, end times

[r0ss]

Spaz says

And people like you are the reason why.

[foptiludrop]

I haven't read the thread, but "digital angel" made me laugh out loud! Megabyte Jesus, we bow before ye!! (Anyone up for synopsizing Muck's post, so I'll understand what the heck he was driving at?)

[KatyD]

"digital angel" is a dermal microchip, Fop. That's what mucklepeas was referring to. I'm not sure, but I think it has already been released, or is about to be.

[foptiludrop]

KatyD, wait! What the heck is a dermal microchip? (Is that the thing some people say President Bush has implanted in his right cheek? Upper, not lower. )

I need answers! I'm headed to USENET's knock-off soon, where everyone knows everything, LOL!

[r0ss]

Implantd tracking technology. Muckletroll thinks it's something to do with that antiquated dogma that he believes. God, end time, Jesus comes back, and defeats all us who've been mean to Muck.

[r0ss]

more on god


www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29605 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29605)

[foptiludrop]

It's all more on "Star Wars" as far as I'm concerned. Gotta love Spielberg's ability to tap into Christian archetypes and regurgitate them as "interesting" science fiction...

[Sword Wielding Brit]

Heh Ross I managed to confound the JWs with my agnostic-buddhist logic the other day. I've actually been looking forward to them coming back (so I can tell them off for wasting paper and screwing up the planet in doing so :b but not just for that reason) but so far they're not giving me the satisfaction :lol They looked pretty perplexed and kept nodding very earnestly at my answers (the guy on the left anyway, he still had some brain cells left, but the one on the right had glazed-over eyes already, poor bastard... he just nodded to whatever either of us said!) and he just stuttered when he tried to think of new questions to ask me. :D



Hurrah! :D

[Wicked Wench of the North]

Megabyte Jesus

:lol :lol

Fop, I bow to your obvious genius. ;)

[r0ss]

Poor Oddish. Why is she even getting involved over there?

We do not have a history of murder or incest for heavens sake although the rumors and lies about us because we believe differently I suppose will never stop.


www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29605 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29605)

And in answer:

Some points picked up reading various articles on the Mormons:

Mormon young men must serve two years as missionaries, teaching the Joseph Smith error door to door, or be expelled from their church and go to hell. Agreed that women have no such requirement, but are allowed to prosyletize, though not baptize.

Founder Joseph Smith committed incest by marrying his sister, plus committed adultery with many other women.

Jessie L. Embry, 5th Mormon president made a new law stating that blood brothers and sisters could marry.

Early Mormons were killers. Joseph Smith in the late 1800s, made his followers get a handgun, and a shotgun with a cut down barrel, so it would not be noticeable to others.

Smith had a killing army and was their general. (Shall I relate the details of the cold blooded massacre of the innocent pioneers who trusted them?)

Bill Hickman (1815-1883) bodyguard of Joseph Smith murdered numerous individuals at the behest of Brigham Young, the Indian fighter.
Bible in one hand and gun in the other, hallelujah.

They were told to kill anybody bothering them, black, red or white.

Many believe the early teachings of Brigham Young who believed and preached that spilling the blood of a sinner would gain them salvation and redemption from the sin. Many wives have been threatened with this blood atonement.

Although Mormonism has changed with the times, IMHO it is still a very odd and controlling religion with a shameful past.

Larry

AND, here's a link of my own, to the murders committed by Brigham's own man:

www.google.com/search?sou...s+massacre (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=SNYC,SNYC:2004-13,SNYC:en&q=mountain+meadows+massacre)

[oddish4]

I get involved Ross because I can't let a lie stand as truth. Like I said over there...we are different enough for most people without the lies.

[oddish4]

My only point in the first place was

It's cool to be kind :)

[socrfan2]

Toke said it best: every religion has some dogma, tradition, or history that might strike a jaundiced outsider as pretty weird. Really, who's to say which is stranger, believing in transubstantiation or the Trinity or that the Angel Moroni appeared before Joseph Smith? There's just no point in lampooning another religion's "absurd" beliefs.

Every religion also a seamy side to its history. Oddish is right, the Mormons were driven out of most of their original homes by "virtuous citizens" and were certainly victims more often than villains. Yes, the "Mormon Meadows Massacre" happened and it was led by a leader of the church and there was probably a cover-up --- but Christians and other "good" people have practiced murder with much less provocation, in much larger numbers, and much more recently. Plenty of lapsed and excommunicated Mormons still practice polygamy and incest, but it's hard to blame the church for that.

I think the noble purposes for a religion are to provide some comfort to people in their lives and to encourage them to live a virtuous life. I haven't known a lot of Mormons personally, but, while their politics tend to be a little to the right of me, they're some of the kindest and most generous people I know. This "evil Mormons" stuff begins to sound a little bit like the "evil Masons" or "protocols of the Elders of Zion" stuff.

[oddish4]

Thank you for that post Srccr :)

If I may correct one thing.

Plenty of lapsed and excommunicated Mormons still practice polygamy and incest, but it's hard to blame the church for that.

Bolding mine. While we did practice polygamy we have never, ever practiced nor condoned incest. Please understand this is a most hurtful accusation made by people. The thing I feel most passionate about in life is the protection of children from harm and I would never, could never be afflilated with any organization who condoned such behavior which Mormons have never done. It is a horrible thing to accuse someone of child abuse.

I'm not saying you did that just clarifying my position on it

[oddish4]

There are, however, a group in southern Utah, recently moved into parts of Texas who claim to be Mormons that do practice both Polygamy and incest. They are a vile, disgusting group whom the law should have stepped in and done something about years ago.

[Wicked Wench of the North]

Is that the Bountiful group, Oddy?

[oddish4]

No.

Hilldale and Colorado city. They have been getting more pressure from the authorities with more and more people leaving their group so they have gotten a ton of land in texas. I can't remember the town..begins with an R. They'd do well to watch them close. Personally I think the law should have stepped in and removed children a long time ago.

[r0ss]

I'm not going to fight you on two fronts, Oddish. I do appreciate you posting here, about it. But you're getting mobbed at OTWA:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...post247344 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?p=247344#post247344)

[oddish4]

That's not mobbed Ross. That's people talking. I never mind an honest question without an agenda. I have nothing to hide. I am what I am, believe what I believe and I'm not ashamed of any of it.

[r0ss]

I'm interested in discussiing this sect:

www.google.com/search?num...hori+urine (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=SNYC%2CSNYC%3A2004-13%2CSNYC%3Aen&q=+aghori+urine)

[r0ss]

TR tells Muckletroll some facts:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...605&page=2 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29605&page=2)

I caught that the first time Muck, just waiting for your idiotic "gotcha"

Your Independent Auction Community!

See that at the top right corner of every page?

It's mine. It's yours too. We both can talk politics and religion right here in Crossfire, because it is also the community of a lot of other people who would rather not see us going at it over politics and religion... subjects generally thought to be impolite dinner conversation. There were a few years there where neither politics, nor religion, came up on OTWA. Eventually, it all got moved here. Sometimes, I long for those old, polite days (believe it or not), but that genie can't go back in the bottle. I can come here or not, as can you. You can prostletyze, and I can complain about it. Or not. Depending on what we want to do...

No, I don't want prostletyzing on my BB. If it were actually my BB, there would be a rule called "no prostletyzing" and you would have been banned for trolling the board a long time ago, under the "no trolls" rule. As it is, Jim is much more tolerant, and you enjoy the same degree of "ownership" of this board that I do. Here in Crossfire, and only in Crossfire, you can prostletyze, and I can get up in your face (in a virtual sense) about it.

Now get thee back under thine bridge, Muckletroll!

[r0ss]

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29429 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29429)

State Secret: Thousands Secretly Sterilized
N.C. Woman Among 65,000 Sterilized by Gov't., Often Without Their Knowledge, in 20th Century

abcnews.go.com/WNT/Health...?id=708780 (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Health/story?id=708780)

[r0ss]

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=24930 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=24930)

ACLU says fed-funded abstinence show touts religion
By J.M. Lawrence
Tuesday, May 17, 2005
The American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts sued the Bush administration yesterday on charges of crossing the line between church and state by pumping $1 million into a nationwide teen sex abstinence program laden with Christianity.

Launched by a preacher, the ``Silver Ring Thing'' uses high-tech club-style music and comedy to sell ``premarital purity'' to teens who pay $15 to don a silver ring inscribed with a Bible verse admonishing them to ``keep clear of all sexual sin.''

``The federal government should not underwrite the religious indoctrination of Massachusetts students,'' said local ACLU executive director Carol Rose. ``The `Silver Ring Thing' is nothing more than a vehicle for converting young people to Christianity.''

The ACLU contends ``Silver Ring Thing's'' signature three-hour events, including one slated for Boston in October, culminate in an old-fashioned altar call where members are asked to pledge their lives to Jesus.

The founder and president of the Silver Ring Thing, Denny Pattyn, had no immediate comment yesterday.

The lawsuit cites Pattyn's comments during a recent BBC documentary called ``American Virgins'' when he said the end of the world is ``approaching very quickly and I believe Christ will come back.''

The suit now before U.S. District Court Judge Joseph L. Tauro in Boston claims the government has funded the Silver Ring Thing with $1 million since 2003 and accuses the Bush administration of failing to monitor or audit the grants properly.

The ALCU says Silver Ring Thing shares an IRS nonprofit number with the John Guest Evangelistic Team out of Sewickley, Pa., which runs crusades and religious radio broadcasts worldwide.

[r0ss]

More God:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=30008 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=30008)

And here:

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=29947 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=29947)

[r0ss]

Not God. Art. and not understanding art

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=30023 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=30023)

[r0ss]

www.otwa.com/community/sh...hp?t=30008 (http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=30008)

Mucklepeas...instead of spending time on the internet looking for proof that new technology such as the "chip" is the mark of the beast and then playing "chicken little" here at OTWA, wouldn't it be a better use of the time left to you before the rapture, to be polishing your halo, tuning your harp, dusting off your celestial robes and practicing your greeting to God once you enter the pearly gates? You should be as excited as a child the weeks before Christmas, the news of the use of these chips should be making your heart beat rapidly in anticipation of the culmination of your years of faith in your religion. I would expect that you would be posting here more in a "rejoice, the end times are near" manner than in the gloom and doom way you do.
Rejoice, rejoice...the end times are here!

MUCKS says:

Sharon I would suggest you put your own house in order.


Mucks is worried because he know he is definitely going to burn in hell for all eternity.

[r0ss]

My house is in order...as I assumed your's was...I was just suggesting that you should be doing a happy dance...BIG TIME instead of adopting the prophet of doom stance you have taken. One would assume you would be estatic to know you will be seeing your maker so soon. You do have a good pair of sunglasses don't you? You will need it when you look upon the streets paved in gold!

You don't have to worry about the unbelievers...no need to try and convert them as the prophecy would be null and void if everyone were to "be born again/saved" now, as that would mean there would be no one left here on earth and the Bible says there are many who will not be taken up...you have to leave some of us "unsaved" just so the prophecy can come true.

Since you will be leaving us soon...and your departure will be unannounced to us beforehand as to the time and day...let me be the first to say "Mucklepeas, we will miss you."