"We Told You So"

[krisinluck]

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/09/we-told-you-so.html

(If in your face language turns you off...don't go there. This dude did not mince words at all!)

[kim]

can the paybackisamotherfucker start now please...?

[bluekazoo]

By god, that's good. Thank you, Kris!

[Cartman]

Well, motherfuckers, the alligators are feasting on dead nigger and there isn't an Iraqi in sight. Nice link kris - very impressive site!


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[Powerhouse]

Good Grief? Did he really say that? What a dumbass.

[krisinluck]

Yeah, he said that, but it was addressed to the Republicans who seem to care a helluva lot more about the Iraqi people than the blacks in New Orleans. You gotta read the whole piece, Mike, to appreciate it.

Unless you are a Republican. Then you'd probably want to skip it, because he skins Bush & Co. alive in the essay.

[blissmeister]

"You can't hide behind racism forever. Bush fucked up, Bush is a weak, callous leader and the world knows this like it knows few other things. And all the stolen TV's in the world cannot hide that."
How/Where do I vote for this guy?

[Shadowcat]

Gotta read the whole thing for the context of that comment, Powerhouse.

[TerrorEd]

Wow, no minced words there, thanks for sharing that link Kris. This is my first encounter with Steve Gilliard's words. His words get attention, and that's very important. Do you have any background info on him? :)

Ed.

[bluekazoo]

So were the words read in context? Does it make more sense to you guys now, that jumped on a phrase before reading it in it's entirety?

I don't really care, I was just wondering cuz so often people jump up and say something and then change their mind but never come back and say 'wow, I changed my mind' ...

[Powerhouse]

Hi, Blue. I assume you are talking about me.
No, I haven't read it, not sure why I should bother. I don't know who that person is so what they say has no influence on me. I usually have my own opinions and they are not created from nor reinforced by some strangers blog.
Now on the other hand, if it was a blog written by you, or someone else I knew from TRS, then yes it would matter to me, because the people here matter to me, and I would read it.
I haven't read it because I can see no earthly justification for using the 'n' word in ANY context.
And to me it's not a 'republican' or 'democrat' issue because I am an independant.

:1hug3:

[bluekazoo]

Well I guess it was you and Cartman in this particular thread that grabbed a single line out of context - or rather Cartman grabbed it and you commented on it .. and yeah, I was curious ...

But I was really only wondering in a broader general aspect, and this thread was a good example, I guess ... when we post, the threads go away so fast, it's kind of like sound bytes on the news ... you know, the stories we see the beginning of, but never find out the resolution? Like the woman with the husband who stayed in the bathtub during the storm? I never did find out if she reconnected with him - or what the outcome was ...

Posting is like that - we all leave little pieces of ourselves scattered all over the place, little half-ideas, comments, shards ... but because life - online and off - is kinetic (and often frenetic) things usually just flow into something else ... sometimes I wonder about stuff that is left unsaid, I suppose ...

Anyway, whether you read it or not - or what your personal reasons for not reading it are - none of it matters in the long run ... I just saw the comments and wondered ... there are words that I have to 'read around', too ... mostly the nasty ones aimed at women ... so I understand your avoidance of certain words ... I read the piece Kris linked to, and realized why that word was chosen so I was hoping others had read the rest of the article, just to see that POV, is all ....

Sometimes language is used for effect (or affect? always confuse the two - too tired to doublecheck right now) ... sometimes the quickest way to get someone's attention is by shocking them ... I understand that as a means of communication - but I don't necessarily like it either, when it's a word I can't abide ...

Later, chores calling me by name here .. I hate when they know my name ...

[bluekazoo]

I don't know who that person is so what they say has no influence on me.

I always re-read after I post - usually to make sure my lack of reading comprehension didn't make me look like a total goofball ... yeah, that happens ...

Your sentence quoted above interested me ... are you saying that you only are influenced by people you already know? That one makes me loop in my head, back to the 'strangers are only friends we haven't yet met' thing ...

I'm affected by pretty much everything I see, read, hear ... whether in a positive way or a negative way, I think everything seeps in ... but yeah, I suppose if I didn't hear it or read it or see it, it would have no affect on me, either ...

I'm not looking for argument, I'm just thinking out loud ... I just hadn't ever thought about limiting input by criteria ... I may give less creedence to a persons words after I've read them and thought about them, but I would have to read them first ... and I guess if I never read the words of people I didn't know, I'd have never read a message board ... although, boyohboy, would THAT have freed up a chunk of my time in the last few years, lmao ...

Take care, PH ... I gotta get busy here ... I like kicking stuff around .. I hope you don't think I'm poking cuz I'm not ... I like to see things from different angles, though, and you gave me a new angle to think about today ...

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[Powerhouse]

Sometimes language is used for effect (or affect? always confuse the two - too tired to doublecheck right now) ... sometimes the quickest way to get someone's attention is by shocking them ... I understand that as a means of communication - but I don't necessarily like it either, when it's a word I can't abide ...

Later, chores calling me by name here .. I hate when they know my name ...


Yea, well - 20 years in the Navy - ain't much in the way of language to shock me anymore. And with the damage Katrina did I think everyone is already in shock overload and kind of numb to minor things like words right now.
At any rate, use of such (IMHO, unnecessary) language for any purpose would not endear the person to me, nor entice me to read any other drivel that they may have chosen to spew as well - rather turns me away from it - but to each their own and I am sure there will be some to which such language is a magnet, as the moth is driven to the flame.

Also, I do not really percieve the comments we do make as just sound 'bytes on the news' necessarily, but rather, even if left unexplored, incomplete, or quickly dropped, a way in which we connect and develop an understanding of each other over time.
Those quick comments are indicators and clues into a persons mind, and when assembled over time develop a picture of ourselves by which we are known by others.
I think Bobby is very good at making use of such limited exposures to see things about a person, to an extent that the less intuitive such as myself are left with a sense of missing clues or failing to comprehend the combined power of such limited commentary.

To me the most important 'things left unsaid' are those that we self-censor, and thus are never known to another soul. It is those things left unsaid that demonstrate our true maturity and compassion, even if only to ourselves.



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[Toy Ranch]

It was a foolish turn of phrase, and detracted from the rest of what he had to say, in what was otherwise a well-done rant.

[Powerhouse]

Your sentence quoted above interested me ... are you saying that you only are influenced by people you already know?

Pretty much - those that I know and whose opinions I respect, of course.

That one makes me loop in my head, back to the 'strangers are only friends we haven't yet met' thing ...

I'm affected by pretty much everything I see, read, hear ... whether in a positive way or a negative way, I think everything seeps in ... but yeah, I suppose if I didn't hear it or read it or see it, it would have no affect on me, either ...

I'm not looking for argument, I'm just thinking out loud ... I just hadn't ever thought about limiting input by criteria ...

Perhaps it is due to my own limitations that I've developed that criteria, but essentially yes - their are probably five trillion people in the world, all wanting to have their say and express themselves, but I've only got so much capacity for exchange, so the sphere of those of a positive influence to me is probably measured only in the couple hundred at most.

I have no real appreciation for those of fame and fortune in as much that their words would influence me at all - so obviously I also have no appreciation for the use of such people for commercials, but apparently enough of the world see's it differently in order to sustain the millions those people are paid for their 'endorsements'.

It is probably along the line of 'reputation capital' that we often use as a source of credibility here on the boards. Many, if not most of us, tend to give little 'weight' to what a 'newbie' posts here because we do not yet have an appreciation for their thought processes or their ability to rationalize their opinions. Over time they are either accepted as 'worth' bothering to read, or ignored, right?

Same for real life, for me anyway. I already have plenty of friends here with varied backgrounds and subsequent differing opinions that usually all of the potential opinion bases are covered, and come with a recognized level of creditability, that anything a newbie might add is mostly a matter of 'me too' toward one side or another of a discussion.

That is not to say that newbies here, and those unknown to me in real life, have nothing of unique experiences and background to offer in a discussion. Just that as in real life, the things posted here are measured by the 'weight' we personally assign people by the way in which we already know them - through their words.

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[Heartland]

I agree with RoyToy. ;) I understand it was used for effect, but I don't think it was necessary, and look how it's distracted even us from the rest of the piece. If you go down the sidebar and click on Sept. 2005, there are lots more good pieces.

How do you all wake up so sharp in the mornings? I want what you all are having for breakfast.