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oddish
09-23-2005, 01:27 PM
I made mention earlier about the crazy bitch down the street. I thought I'd share her/our story.

It starts out a couple of months ago when she moved in. Immediatly her kids start picking on all the kids on the block. Now keep in mind we've all lived here just fine for a few years now...Zero problems. My kids complain to me about how mean her kids are, I even watch her kid spouting profanity and throwing rocks. I tell my kids to just avoid them and let's give it a couple of days to see if they'll quit.

The next day her boy starts throwing rocks at my 3 year old baby girl and stopping her on her bike, not letting her go. My 12 year old son is livid, has had enough and chases rotten boy back to his yard. Crazy woman starts screaming at my 12 year old to leave her yard. He says

"I'm not in your yard I'm on the street. Your son was picking on my little sister". She continues screaming at him, calling him names and tells him he has to go home.

He says "If you have a problem with me, take it up with my mother. Until then this is a public street and I'll play here if I want to".

So she comes down to my house. I answer the door to a woman I've never met before who immediatly starts in on, Is this Brat your son, you need to keep better control of him, you've taught your kids no manners blah blah blah. All at the top of her voice with much colorful language sprinkled liberally throughout.

I'm thinking I should try to nice. I actually was pretty nice I think. I let her know that it will NOT be tolerated for her to yell at, discipline, or swear at my children. If she has a problem and would like to tell me about it like a human being, not a shrieking harpy then I'd be happy to listen. I also let her know her kid was a brat, yelling is not the best way to introduce herself and respect is earned. I have never, and will never teach my children they have to bow down to an adults every shrieking moment.

Frankly I was proud of myself for not clocking her.

She leaves, pissed as hell and I ask 12 year old what happened and got his story about the boy picking on my daughter. I'm kinda disappointed he didn't catch the little bugger but I'll get over it.

I think to myself...good gravy, not again.

Then the fun starts.

This woman believes everyone should go 10 miles an hour down our street. Literally. Day or night. She has taught her children to step out in front of a car they believe is going to fast and yell Slow down. It's very irritating not to mention dangerous for a child to jump out in front of a car. The speed limit on our road is 25. One other thing to note about our road. There are several car chasing dogs. It's very very annoying.

So life moves on and we haven't heard too much out of crazy woman. She turned her sights to the neighbors up the street for a while and started picking on their kids. The dad of those kids used to date her in high school and the mom is just not even close to thrilled ex-crazy-bitch-girlfriend has moved in.

Then one fine day a sheriff shows up while my oldest son is working on his car in the driveway. He hands him a ticket for reckless driving -endangering a child, tells him to show up in court and leaves. I was soooooo pissed. First of all this kid is a minor and I know maybe they don't have to but I still think they should at least notify the parent. Second he asked my son nothing,not one dang thing.

I ask son, what the heck is this all about?

The day before, he was driving down the road with 3 dogs chasing the car (happens everyday). One of the dogs ran right in front of him, he slams on the breaks, barely misses hitting the dog. He's pissed so he stops the car, yells at the kids who own the dogs (crazy woman's kids and the other neighbors kids) to keep their dogs out of the road or they are going to get hit. My daughter is in the passenger seat...sees the whole thing. He gets back in the car and comes home.

I tell son not to yell at other people's kids. Go to the parents if you have a problem but other than that can't for the life of me figure out what the problem is.

I call Sheriff's office to find out why they would cite someone based on nothing but one person's word, tell him what happened. He said next time hit the dog...alrighty then...I'm not going to just hit somones dog if I can help it but whatever.

I go talk to nice neighbor about his dogs. He agrees to keep them locked up. As I'm leaving crazy woman's hubby stops me. Says he's sorry, they didn't know boy would get citation, he believes people go too fast down the street, he wasn't home so he doesn't know. He seems nice enough. Then Crazy woman comes out and starts yelling again. Tells me she was in her garage, saw the whole thing. That she doesn't care if the speed limit is 25, until everybody goes 10 she's going to keep complaining because that will force people to slow down. Her kids are followers and nothing they do is their fault (yes she said that) all the neighbors hate me and have major problems with me and I had the whole neighborhood scared of me (gee I'm good I guess). She also said she complained against my son because I wouldn't punish my 12 year old last time so she was going to make sure my kids got punished this time.

I go back to the other neighbors and ask them...do we have a problem I'm unaware of? They look at me like I'm on crack and tell me if they had any problem with me I'd know it, other neighbor same thing. I figured..she's trying to divide and conquer.

Then we go to court. Not guilty pleads the boy and we get a copy of her complaint.

Holy crap I've rarely seen people so blatently lie like that. I'll run down the lies.

1. She said it happened the day she called the sheriff. That she was so upset she just couldn't stand it anymore and something needed to be done NOW. It actually happened the day before and she didn't call the sheriff for over 24 hours.

2. She said her husband and herself have talked to my boy several times. My boy has never even met her, or her husband.

3. She says he almost hit the kids, no mention of a dog. That he got out of the car and threatened the children that he would run them down if he saw them in the street again.

4. She says she was in her bedroom (not the garage) and heard him speeding down the road. (How do you hear someone speeding?)

5. Says he left 40 foot skid marks. No skid marks were on the road the next day.

6. No mention of daughter in the car at all. I guess she missed that glaring fact while she was seeing the whole thing.

7. Says he peeled out throwing rocks all over her husband(who told me he wasn't home) herself and the children.

Now is it just me, but if that had really happened wouldn't you call the sheriff right away??

Son was appointed a public defender. He has a pre-trial hearing today which his lawyer never told him about. His lawyer has never spoken with him and won't speak to me. His secretray told me it's not big deal that they will set up another meeting and if his lawyer hasn't had a chance to talk to him at that point he'll talk to the prosecutor about making a deal.

WHAT?????????????

He knows nothing about this case. The whole case is based on crazy woman's word against his and my daughter who was there. Son doesn't want any sort of deal..he didn't do anything. This woman flat out told me she complained to get my kids because she was pissed at me. I don't want son trying to deal with a lawyer by himself and I sure don't want this lawyer brushing this off or making a deal to make his life easier. this kid has been falsely accused in a power struggle with a nut case and the police are helping her harrass us.

She is harrassing the whole street. Yelling at people, yelling at their kids. Lots of stuff I didn't write out. I have called the sheriff and asked them what to do and he says he doesn't want to get involved in neighborhood disputes...he already has but I guess he missed that fact. The other neighbos don't really want to say or do much because they think they are drug-deales and worried about them coming after them...I don't know if they are or they aren't but they do have a steady traffic of cars stopping at their house and neither one ofthem have a job.

I'm very frustrated. Any good advice?

foptiludrop
09-23-2005, 01:46 PM
Good grief, Oddish, what a freaking nightmare!

I'm afraid all my "advice" would be of a criminal nature -- highly effective, but I don't think you'd be willing to go that route. :1crazy:

oddish
09-23-2005, 01:47 PM
I'm getting there Fop.

larruone
09-23-2005, 02:29 PM
If you are bent on going to court, based on what you've said about his
PD, get a different lawyer. Won't be cheap, I imagine.

Talk to your neighbors, especially the owner of the other dogs, see
if they can be witnesses in court for your son's side of things.

Lastly, you could try to live in peace and endure.
Or you could talk to the neighbors about a campaign against her.
Complaints, activity notes and video, etc etc...

For that future lawsuit that she will eventually bring against someone...
Or perhaps some sort of restraining order...

Just thoughts of possibilities off the top of my head....

Heartland
09-23-2005, 02:47 PM
Whoa, Oddy. At my old house, I thought we had the neighbors from hell next door, but yours is even worse. Of course, I didn't have any young kids, so I didn't have to involve myself with that crazy bitch. She actually had her kids egg the house next door because he dared to complain about her kids trampling his flowers and lawn.

My first piece of advice would be to document, document, document. You say she has instructed her small children to step in front of cars. This should be reported to DFC, in my opinion. She is endangering her kids.

Anytime one of her kids lays a hand on one of yours, call the police and file an assault charge. I'm very serious. They have to let you file a report. Make sure your kids are aware of what you are doing, but instruct them never to talk about it to anyone, and to refer any questions to you. Tell your kids to walk away from any such incidents and report them immediately to you, in detail.

The dogs running loose should be reported to animal control, every single time they are loose. They are endangering others (and themselves) by chasing cars.

Call your county bar association and file a complaint about the public defender. Let them know that you will not stand for a shoddy legal defense. You are absolutely entitled to be involved in your son's defense, if your son is a minor (I didn't catch whether he is or not). If he's an adult, give him all the written documentation, including your own notes about all that has taken place, to discuss with his lawyer (make copies). Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should he take a plea bargain, if he's innocent. Public defenders and prosecutors will scare him into thinking that he has to take it or face a huge risk of being found guilty and going to jail. I believe that even if he's an adult, he is entitled to have you there for all discussions with his attorney, if he chooses.

Your son should demand that YOU testify as a witness, along with your daughter, and any other neighbors who can be talked into testifying. Even if the "speeding" was not witnessed by you or the other neighbors, they can testify to this woman's personality and verbal abuse to the neighbors, and your daughter can testify to the lies.

Call your police department's narcotics division and let them know that you and other neighbors suspect this couple of dealing drugs. Get license plate numbers of visitors, if you can do it inconspicuously. Also let DFC know this when you report her for endangering her kids, and they will work together with the narcotics detectives -- or they should. Any parent who's dealing out of their home, in front of their children, doesn't deserve to have children.

Fuck 'em. People like that deserve no consideration whatsoever. Throw everything you've got at them. Do not answer the door when they come. Tell them if they have a complaint about your children, to give it to you in writing, because you and your children will no longer be subjected to her verbal abuse and intimidation.

In my case, it got so bad that I finally sold the house and moved last year. It wasn't the only factor in my decision, but it was the main factor. I realize that's not possible for everyone, though. Our new neighborhood is pure heaven compared to the old one. One crazy bitch of a neighbor can make life a living hell for everyone on the block.

Good luck. I don't envy you one bit.

Pam
09-23-2005, 04:40 PM
Oddish, I agree 200% with Heartland. Document, document, document, and complain, complain, complain. And force the issue with this attorney; he thinks he sees an easy thing, don't let him go there.

blissmeister
09-23-2005, 05:05 PM
In America, they will give as much as 200%


In Canada, they know how to count. *flowers*

confusers
09-23-2005, 05:19 PM
I agree with Heartland, also. You have to document everything. Do you own a video camera? If so, next time that crazy woman yells obsenities, be there to record it all. If she comes to your door, call the police and tell them you have an unwelcomed visitor and want her removed from the premises. If my guess is correct, she'll go off on the police, also, then your case will be stronger. Your son needs a caring lawyer (is that an oxymoron?), not some dime-store Public Defender.

I have heard some wild stories about neighbors, but this one takes the cake. Crazy lying woman sounds like she needs some valium. :1liar3:

Eriu
09-23-2005, 06:06 PM
Oddy,

Have you called the courthouse to see what happens when a person files a FALSE police report?

Find out and nail the bitch to the wall.

Pam
09-23-2005, 06:08 PM
Blissmeister, that was a typo on my part that I didn't catch until it was too late. I couldn't decide exactly what you were saying, so thought I might need to throw the explanation out.

10x
09-23-2005, 06:15 PM
If you see the kids step out in front of cars call the police and get the plate number of the car. Report report report.

Folow advice given abouve. And tell the PD he is fired, and get a lawer. Report them to the bar also REPORT REPORT REPORT.

Heartland
09-23-2005, 06:32 PM
Oddy, the reason I said to tell her to make any complaints to you in writing is so you'll have documentation and proof of what she says to you. You don't have that in a verbal attack. Just thought I should clarify that point.

It also has the added benefit of making her stop to think what she's going to say before she writes it down.

I also like the idea of nailing her for filing a false police report.

blondieia
09-23-2005, 07:56 PM
First of all, if you can swing it all get some money together and get a real lawyer, who will make the first lawyer withdraw, and get the first hearing continued. If not, get your son to sign a document giving permission to have you talk with his lawyer, then he can INSIST you be present at meetings.

Do not plead to this. PD's always want to plead a case. I highly doubt the Bar will do anything about that, and at this point you should be more concerned with getting effective counsel. In this state you can look up court cases on a website. Since your son is a minor this might not apply, but I'd still give it a shot.

There are laws against filing fraudulent charges. You can pursue that, although it will mean even more involvement with this nutcase.

Take pictures of the street. If there were skidmarks that long, they woudl still be there. If you have any witnessese, get affidavits from them.

thentavius
09-23-2005, 08:03 PM
oi oi. Those kinds of neighbors make it hard to be a Buddhist. :ukiyo1:

No, seriously. That is terrible. It is beyond terrible. I am going to read it all again and then I might have some advice to add. I think I need to process it all one more time...

In the meantime, I feel your pain. I hope everything goes well for you.

10x
09-23-2005, 08:11 PM
Left one out a digital recorder. Use it at all times with this group.

biondobabe
09-23-2005, 08:20 PM
Totally agree w/ heartland. The CPS report will be the most effective, do it quickly. I work at a service that answers for the humane society, unfortunately our county's is as worthless as tits on a boar pig. But you may have luck there depending on your leash laws. It will crooss over to other neighbors as well if they have animals running loose.

It's too bad you let it go. My rule of thumb is if a person is totally unreasonable to the point I question their stablility, I do not cut them a break. The 1st incident the cops would have called. Witnessing backstabbing military wives left me having no tolerance for assholes.

Cyber Diva
09-23-2005, 08:37 PM
First of all, if you can swing it all get some money together and get a real lawyer, who will make the first lawyer withdraw, and get the first hearing continued. If not, get your son to sign a document giving permission to have you talk with his lawyer, then he can INSIST you be present at meetings.

Do not plead to this. PD's always want to plead a case. I highly doubt the Bar will do anything about that, and at this point you should be more concerned with getting effective counsel. In this state you can look up court cases on a website. Since your son is a minor this might not apply, but I'd still give it a shot.

There are laws against filing fraudulent charges. You can pursue that, although it will mean even more involvement with this nutcase.

Take pictures of the street. If there were skidmarks that long, they would still be there. If you have any witnessese, get affidavits from them.

Great advice, Blondieia! Nice post. :1clap5:

agentorange
09-23-2005, 09:59 PM
It sounds like the neighbors aren't so much the problem as the law "enforcement". Just another example of them being crooked beyond all get out, or too stupid to uphold their duty (a duty our tax dollars pay them to carry out no less). I think if more people would stand their ground, refuse to plea out, and actually face false imprisonment (it sounds horrible, I know), that the system might get a swift kick in the ass to change. :2gamecock

saabsister
09-24-2005, 02:58 PM
If you have a city council or county board of supervisors, you may want to write a dispassionate letter concerning the danger of children and dogs in the street and the questionable response from the sheriff's office. Perhaps your sheriff is independent of the local political structure but ,if not, he may be forced to give a written response to the board about the incident concerning your son. Just keep your emotions (justified, I believe) out of it so the problem doesn't become a "he said/ she said" that the board may not want to become involved in.

socrfan2
09-24-2005, 07:04 PM
Very good advice, HA. Document everything, and use every lever the system provides.

kim
09-24-2005, 08:53 PM
i wish i had some good advice for you...

i think sabbsister's advice is good...

and - other's here - as well...

good luck - oddish - i'm sorry that this happened - and - i hope it all works out alright...

oddish
09-24-2005, 10:15 PM
You guuys are awsome. I don't even really know what to say except thank you so much for the advice and thank you for listening. :)

Heartland
09-25-2005, 07:32 AM
Oddy, keep us posted. I'd like to know how it turns out.

confusers
09-25-2005, 08:23 AM
I'd be interested in hearing as well, Oddish.

oddish
09-25-2005, 02:30 PM
Well today her kids have taken some of our toys. They're sitting in their front yard. I'm trying to think how to handle it because I'm sure she'd love to call the sheriff should we step foot over there....oy.

larruone
09-25-2005, 02:57 PM
Methinks you answered your own question...

Call the sheriff!

:)

Powerhouse
09-25-2005, 03:00 PM
Report a theft - get the cops to come out and take a report. While they are there taking the report suddenly 'discover' the stolen items in your neighbors yard. problem solved.

10x
09-25-2005, 03:48 PM
Worth a try, but mom will say the kids left them in the yard. Do it anyway to get them on the list in your area. Reports like that let the cops know where to look for stolen property.

newslady
09-25-2005, 11:18 PM
Oddy, I'm so sorry that you live near such a pyschotc bitch of a neighbor. :1eek2:

Lots of folks have offered great advice on how to deal with the problem in this thread. But I just want to stress a theme:

Document, document, document.

Oddy :1hug1:

nanastuff
09-26-2005, 09:39 AM
Ok Oddy.....been watching this.

WHAT FOP SAID!!!!!

Wench
09-26-2005, 10:22 AM
Holy crap Oddy! :1eek2:

If you get a real lawyer, and it hasn't already been said, go after psychobitchneighbour for costs as well - make it so they have to pay your lawyer's fees, and any fees associated with the trial. Make 'em pay through the nose. Sometimes money talks better than anything else.

juliatheena
09-26-2005, 06:20 PM
Wow Oddy! Does this psyho-bitch have a sister living in Southern Calif?

I'm reliving my nightmare reading your thred. It's horrible I KNOW FROM EXERIENCE.

Thankfully, in my case, it's been over a year since the psycho-bitch up the street has pulled any crap.

Hang in there and WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN, DATE IT, and make POLICE REPORTS. I learned that in court last year. I also had a security camera installed. You may want to do that also.

10x
09-26-2005, 06:29 PM
Are you sure this is not chops acting with a famialy down the road from you??

Eriu
09-27-2005, 09:25 AM
Oddy,

What happened with the toy situation? Did you call the sherriff???

mewsicmama
09-29-2005, 01:23 PM
Not going to post advice, just my hopes that things are going better for you with the psycho neighbors.

Hugs,

Shari

wolfpack
10-04-2005, 11:43 AM
Hope things are going better now, Oddish.

SneakyDave
10-05-2005, 06:28 PM
Oddish, let go, don't hurt youself over all of it. It'll all work out.

tekobari
10-05-2005, 07:46 PM
Oddish, I feel so bad for you. I keep reading this to see if there are any updates, and at least there isn't anything worse lately. I sure hope things haven't gotten any worse, and are actually at a better level.

oddish
10-05-2005, 10:33 PM
Thanks again everybody :)


No updates as of yet. They are still weird but being weird on their own side of the road. I can live with that LOL

Heartland
10-05-2005, 10:51 PM
Did you get the toys back?

nobs
10-20-2005, 02:50 PM
Oddish
Just found this and I would love an update.
Sandy (HA) gave excellent advice.
I would like to add - do not engage this woman in any way. If she is dealing drugs, do your best to have her busted by documenting and getting the proper authorities involved. Your local sheriff is NOT the be all and end all. They have to answer to someone too. Send all documentation to your Coucilman or Mayor or any governing authority. If she IS selling drugs, then she deserves to have a child protective agency involved.
FWIW, I have been through the neighbors from Hell too. You have my sympathy and empathy :1hug1:
Have you and Sprat sat down and talked about this. Is there any way you could sell and move? If not, please take the good advice offered here. NO one has the right to do what this woman is doing.

Shadowcat
10-21-2005, 02:44 PM
Boy, Oddish, you sure get the short end of the stick when it comes to nutjob neighbors(remembering a previous nutjob neighbor of yours).

oddish
10-21-2005, 10:37 PM
The worst part is I spent almost 3 gloriouos years without any of them. Then fruitcake #2 moved in. Dagnabit I was enjoying being nut free too.

Still pretty quiet on her end.

Kiheicat
10-22-2005, 04:01 PM
OMG I just read this thread from start to finish. Wow :1eek2: ~{{{Oddish}}}~