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Buffalo
09-27-2005, 08:30 PM
From Americans United: (http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=7579&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241)
Americans United Criticizes Lack Of Accountability In FEMA Funding Of Religious Groups
Tuesday, September 27, 2005

Hurricane Victims Should Not Be Subjected To Unwanted Proselytism By Government-Funded Church Groups, Says Watchdog Group

Americans United for Separation of Church and State today sharply criticized the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for its plan to fund hurricane relief efforts by churches without adequate accountability and safeguards to protect the evacuees.

“After FEMA’s ineptitude in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, it’s distressing to see the Bush administration making even more blunders,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “Before you turn over millions of taxpayer dollars to churches, there must be strict accountability and safeguards to protect the civil and religious liberty rights of those who need help.”

The Washington Post reported today that FEMA plans to broadly reimburse houses of worship for their relief efforts. The move, the newspaper noted, “would mark the first time that the government has made large-scale payments to religious groups for helping to cope with a domestic natural disaster.”

Many religious groups, Lynn noted, are taking part in relief efforts and deserve the thanks of the American people. But the new FEMA directive, he said, is too open-ended and could leave storm victims vulnerable to aggressive proselytism.

“Some religious organizations are openly using the hurricane relief efforts to win new converts,” Lynn said. “If these groups can’t separate their evangelism from their relief work, they should not be eligible for public funding. People displaced by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita should not be subjected to unwanted, high-pressure religious coercion as the price of getting help from their own government.”

Lynn noted the following examples:

According to Baptist Press news service, Southern Baptist aid workers distributed 11,000 evangelistic tracts and 1,200 Bibles in the hurricane-ravaged areas and saw “45 new professions of faith in Christ.”

In a Sept. 20 report, Bobby Welch, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, urged church members to proselytize while providing aid. “When you go and you give the cup of cold water, you be sure you give a witness of Jesus Christ,” Welch said. “Don’t just smile and say, ‘I go to church.’ You give a witness of Jesus Christ to those people because the water, the beanie weenies and the food will run out, but whoever drinks of this water will never thirst again.” :rolleyes:

Welch noted that the denomination had launched an evangelism campaign at its 2005 annual meeting, adding, “Do you think that could be providential? Out of the sovereignty of God, that He’d take the largest denomination in the world and all of a sudden begin to focus them on being prepared for a great opportunity to win and witness and baptize like never before? I think so.”

Evangelist Franklin Graham’s Samaritan’s Purse has been distributing gift bags to displaced children. The bag includes evangelistic tracts and a stuffed lamb that plays “Jesus Loves Me.” Graham urged churches participating in the relief efforts to include evangelism. “[I]n everything you do,” he said, “I encourage you to remember that your primary purpose is to share the redeeming love of the Lord Jesus Christ.” :wacko: (Yeah, it's more important that they convert to Christianity than have a safe place to stay, food, water, and medicine.)

TV preacher Pat Robertson’s “700 Club” reported that church-based evangelism even extends to government relief workers. According to a Sept. 6 report, Zion Bethany Church is providing housing for emergency workers and the workers find a tract on their pillows each night. Tonja Miles, a faith-based charity CEO working with the church, told an interviewer, “[Emergency workers are] going out, and they’re seeing devastation, so we wanted to start something that when they can come in, it’s comfortable. We have a great meal; we have the word of God just all over the place.”

Lynn said FEMA must not underwrite hard-sell evangelism efforts. He noted that the Bush administration has always claimed that faith-based groups that get government dollars will not be allowed to proselytize. The FEMA directive, in contrast, contains no limitations whatsoever on evangelism with public money.

“The federal government cannot start dropping blank checks in the collection plates of churches,” Lynn said. “FEMA has an obligation to exercise appropriate safeguards and accountability. Hurricane victims deserve no less, and taxpayers should demand it.”

There is no "Good" faith based "Initiative". When the government starts paying religious organizations to do "God's" work, then the government is endorsing religion. No good can come of it. If these religious groups want to help the people in distress than more power to them. Just don't submit a bill. When these things start happening there is no more line in the sand. The more they get the more they want. Sooner or later you get state sanctioned religions and Preferential treatment based on religious beliefs. The people that should be most adamently against government involvement in religion are those that are most religious. They have the most to lose.

Heartland
09-27-2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/executive-orders.html

I'm stunned that so many Americans are complacent (or just ignorant) about this. This doesn't even begin to resemble the United States of 100 years ago. I really have to wonder if the warehousing and dumbing down of our schools has brought us to this.

Buffalo
09-28-2005, 08:46 AM
Im stunned too H-A... People should just help people because they want to help, and if their religion prompts them to do this, than that is the only way in which their religon should enter the picture. I just wish i could have been born a few thousand years from now, when these superstitious Neanderthals have got this God fantasy out of their primitive systems.

Heartland
09-28-2005, 09:28 AM
They will have blown up the planet by then, Buffalo.

Whatever happened to church members providing the essentials for their church's good works? Now taxpayers are expected to do it, and it is crystal clear that proselytizing is being done with taxpayer funding.

I suppose it's much more important for those church members to have the SUV's, high-end electronics, nice vacations, and other toys, instead of supporting their church's charitable projects THEMSELVES.

Fuck, I'm just so sick of this.

Kiheicat
09-28-2005, 02:37 PM
This is the same reason I have a real problem with organizations like the "Christian Children's Fund" who may help save a child but not without shoving a bible down his/her throat in the process.

Here, btw, is a good alternative: http://www.actionagainsthunger.org
Action Against Hunger (ACF) is an international relief and rehabilitation organization providing immediate assistance and long-term relief to malnourished children and their families.

ACF is a world leader in the treatment of malnutrition, with more than 25 years of cutting-edge activities in the fight against global hunger. ACF currently runs innovative programs in over 44 countries around the world, integrating programs in nutrition, food security, water and sanitation, and basic health care. ACF is a nongovernmental, nonprofit, nonreligious international network.

Buffalo
09-29-2005, 06:16 PM
America is supposed to be about diversity-the melting pot, right? It is hard for a lot of people to put aside their passion for their religion long enough to step back and think of what it would mean to declare our nation christian ...our country is not a christian one, but a FREE one. Altho, you might not think so if you turned on any of the evangelist shows on tv!

Buffalo
09-30-2005, 05:35 PM
From Americans United: (http://www.au.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr012=brghelrnp1.app7b&abbr=pr&page=NewsArticle&id=7569&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1241)
House Vote Allowing Religious Discrimination In Head Start Hiring Is Shameful, Says Americans United
Thursday, September 22, 2005

Church-State Watchdog Group Calls On Senate To Reject 'Faith-Based' Job Bias In Publicly Funded Program

The House of Representatives today voted 220-196 to allow religious discrimination in hiring for Head Start programs, a move Americans United for Separation of Church and State calls a serious blow to religious liberty and civil rights.

“This is a shameful vote,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United. “Publicly funded programs ought to hire the best qualified applicant. I am outraged that House members have inserted religious discrimination into a program like Head Start.”

Aimed at academically disadvantaged youngsters and their families, Head Start is a federally funded pre-school program that operates nationwide. Although sometimes sponsored by religious groups, Head Start is a secular program open to children of all faith backgrounds.

Lynn said he is confident the Senate will not permit discriminatory language to remain in the bill.

“The vote in the House was quite close,” Lynn said, “and momentum is clearly building against taxpayer-funded job bias.”

Under the amendment approved today, religious groups that sponsor Head Start programs would be able to restrict hiring to members of their own faith. Such a move, Americans United contends, is completely unnecessary.

“Under this amendment, Americans could be denied Head Start jobs solely on the basis of religious belief,” Lynn said. “Why on earth would we encourage discrimination in a tax-funded program? It’s simply unacceptable.”

Lynn pointed out that since Head Start does not teach religion, there is no need for religious groups to engage in discriminatory hiring practices. Head Start staff, he said, should be chosen on their ability to work successfully with disadvantaged children.

10x
09-30-2005, 06:56 PM
I'm stunned that so many Americans are complacent (or just ignorant) about this.

Kinda like in god we trust on the money. ROTFLMAO sounds like ebay using
reviwed by TRUST on there pages. Gives fool a false sinse of security.