Texas Banjo CALLED OUT by Washers!

[rossshow]

Oh! MY! They are mad mad mad at The Wash!

At the beginning of this month an email was sent to me by good old Lee Baltzer showing what kind of backstabbing lying miscreant Jerry Xxxxxxx aka TexasBanjo is. The email was originally sent to the wHastings and the idiot malcontent named Jerry couldn't even recall why he wrote the email in the first place. That little tidbit BTW came from Xxxxxxx when I first emailed him.

The story continues.

I sent an email to the backstabbing little asshole about this and ended up involved in a series of exchanges where Xxxxxxx demanded that I produce all kinds of personal information. What's funny is in one of these emails he said he would publicly apologize to me if I produced anything he asked for. What he wasn't expecting is that I might actually do it. I met his challenge head on and was prepared to furnish information concerning two bits of information instead of one. Well good old Jerry couldn't handle that so his demands all of a sudden changed to a whole list of things. At this point it became clear that Jerry the meddling, lying, backstabbing, pot stirring, gullible, false Christian was fishing for the wHastings. Of course the piece of shit denied that allegation when confronted with it. The fact of the matter is the wHastings, through one of their recruits has published content from that series of emails between Xxxxxxx, the friend fucking backstabber and myself.

Fuck you Xxxxxxx, you little piece of shit. I told you if this happened you would be the subject of a public thread. Oh and don't think threatening me with publishing the emails is something I'm concerned with, I'll do that myself. That way everyone can see for themselves what kind of filthy, vile, backstabbing, meddling, asshole you really are.

BTW Xxxxxxx are you still backbiting your friends in S.A.? We can talk about that here too and it really shows what kind of piece of work you really are.

Let's see if the gullible gutless wonder has the stones to take me on publicly like he claims he can. I doubt he has what it takes.

Oh and Jerry don't bother calling me or emailing me about this. There will be no response from me other than to post your emails and ignore your calls. This is your thread and where you will address me if you want a response.

[tekobari]

R0ss, why don't you tell us who wrote that? Is there a reason?

[rossshow]

It's Scam all Nukers or Nuke all Scammers, whatever. No reason. Just forgot to include that. Just a fly by c&p

[Heartland]

Tek, I can't believe you asked that question. I could tell from the first sentence who it was. He does love to latch onto a new word and use it to death.

I see he's still under the impression that people will actually cower before his juvenile outbursts and do what he demands. :rolleyes:

[tekobari]

I did think it was him, but wanted proof.

[rossshow]

Texas Banjo couldn't beat his addiction. He's back at Car Wash.

There are a few things that I would like to comment on. First of all, I wish to express my disappointment with the author of this thread for his public posting of my entire name. In addition, it is equally disappointing that the administration of this board decided to ignore it. I noticed that even r0ss had the integrity of mark out my name with respect to his reference to this thread on his board.

The second thing that I would like to clear up is the total jumping to conclusions aspect of the title of this thread. Nuke has a way of believing things that are not true, which really is the entire point of my contention with him. I tried my best to have a closed and private conversation with Nuke, but since he wants a public confrontation, then perhaps the postings of entire conversations in the context in which they were written would be in order.

Just over a month ago I had a phone conversation with Nuke in which I expessed my disgust with his contentions that the Hastings cost him over $30,000 in lost revenue. I also challenged the validity of a contract with the Hastings. But most significantly and most importantly, I challenged Nuke credentials with respect to his degress/certification in gemnology. It's been a long time since I have had a conversation with an individual who was so ballistic and antagonistiic toward in questioning him.

Since the subject involved the Hastings, I assume that somewhere Nuke got the idea that I was involved in some conspiracy with the Hastings, having constant conversations with them, etc., and then starts this delusional "wHastings newest recruit" garbage.

[rossshow]

More from Texas:

Because of Nuke's belief that somehow I'm "involved" with the Hastings, he writes the following:

At 06:07 PM 12/19/2005, Nuke writes:


Quote:
Hello Jerry,

It's come to my attention that you have spoke to the Hastings about me and matters pertaining to Stone of Fire. I am requesting a written transcript of what was discussed in those phonecalls along with an affadavit that what you've stated is the truth to the best of your knowledge.

Karl

To which I replied: (8:53 PM 12/19/05)


Quote:
Since when do you have a right to demand from people to send an "affidavit" of ANY phone conversation ANYONE may or may not have had to ANYONE else? Should I demand an "affidavit" from you about any phone calls YOU'VE had with Aaron, Alan, or anyone else over the past week, month, or years? You have a lot of gall. You've gone off the deep end, Karl, and that fact became abundantly clear during some past conversations in which you repeatedly have claimed to have lost $30,000 because of the Hastings.

I told you the other evening that this claim of yours is silly, and anyone who would want to go into business with anyone else, especially when this other person is supposed to create a $25,000 website for you (your figure), would understandably have to make sure you have the knowledge, ability, experience, equipment, and training, certificates, and degrees to obtain, cut, mount, and market stones the things you claim you can do BEFORE they could commit to going into some joint venture with you.

You weave to very believable tale about how experienced you are in the opal trade, Karl, so when I questioned your experience and certificates, you just went pretty much ballistic. How dare anyone question you. Well, as I stated to you I would not go into partnerships with someone unless they could show me such proof. While you claim there is a binding contract and started the thread on the CWL entitled, "Turnabout's Fair Play", I found it curious that there were no signatures present indicating that all the verbal and e-mail discussions came to a conclusion in the form of a written contract. I'm a businessman, Karl, and just recently purchased a sign business. We both signed a WRITTEN agreement so that there would be NO misunderstanding about the specific responsibilities, rights, and obligations of each participating party.

But, no, Karl, your argument the other day was comparing someone buying stock. I think your words were pretty close to, "You, Jerry, don't know anything about LLC's! You simply DON'T know what you're talking about! They are buying into an investment, and I don't have to prove anything. They are buying into MY company, and taking a risk into it's profitability." Now really...you are wanting Aaron and Alan to buy into YOUR company in which YOU have 50% of the shares so to speak, Alan has 25% and Aaron has 25%, and into a company that's not even in place yet, and into a company in which you have NEVER shown one ounce of proof TO ANYONE of your ability to perform? Am I missing something here??

It is my OPINION, that your exaggerations and wild imaginations are completely misguided, and I believe (this is an OPINION) that the $5000 that was given to you by Alan will eventually be gone (spent by you for who knows what), and that knowing that to be the case, you are going to have to eventually explain to Alan (who has never even met you) where the money went. (Frankly, my gut tells me the money's all gone, but have no way of proving that.)

Yes, you have managed somehow to make Alan think this is all Aaron's fault. And it is my OPINION that you are going to have to depend upon Alan to eventually recover his loss, which of course, is really your fault, isn't it? Quite frankly, I don't know what the complete truth of everything is, but I believe that if you somehow have convinced Alan that all of this is Aaron's fault, and he pursues legal action, then all things hidden will be exposed for what they are, and all people will be exposed for who they are. As the Bible says, "There is a time in which all things done in secret will be exposed in the light."

In the meantime, I would like for you just to keep me out of your witch hunt, and look for truth and integrity, the two things that seem to be missing from your own closet. I really have more important things to do than to deal with than your vendetta against the Hastings. Please don't call me anymore, and take me off your e-mail list.

Jerry

[rossshow]

More Texas stuff:

Therefore, Nuke. I am calling you out publicly on this one issue at this time. You claim to have certain certifications/degrees in your field of expertise, namely gemnology. You have represented yourself to have earned these certifications in this field and you bragged about in past phone conversations of how you were hired by some pawn shop manager who needed someone to handle appraising stones, setting stones, marketing stones, and setting up a website and eBay account for the company.

It’s like a person claiming to be a dentist, having some business cards printed up with the designation DDS beside their name. Having the business cards and telling others they are a dentist does not in any way make them what they claim. It is a complete fabrication. In the same way, Nuke, you have continually claimed to lots of people that you have earned some very impressive credentials in your field. So when I questioned you over and over again in our private conversations about this, you simply avoided the issue. You don’t have these certifications. You’ve never earned these certifications to which you claim.

But if you CAN produce evidence, I said that I would apologize to you publicly, did I not? So post your credentials, Mr. Stone of Fire. But don't anyone hold their breath...

[Heartland]

All together now:

Some people ain't no damn good
You can't trust 'em you can't love 'em
No good deed goes unpunished
And I don't mind bein' their whippin' boy
I've had that pleasure for years and years
No no I never was a sinner--tell me what else can I do
Second best is what you get 'til you learn to bend the rules
And time respects no person--what you lift up must fall
They're waiting outside to claim my tumblin' walls

Saw my picture in the paper
Read the news around my face
And now some pepole don't want to treat me the same

When the walls come tumblin' down
When the walls come crumblin' crumblin'
When the walls come tumblin' tumblin' down

-Mellencamp

[JavaNoire]

All that struttin & puffin...IF bombast was brains, Nuke would be a certified genius. *shrug*it's not & he's just a 3rd rate tyrannical wannabe desperate to convince someone he's baaaaad. A sick kitten is scarier.

I am curious...Why is Tex making this his cause du jour? How can he snuggle up to theArts with a clear conscience & a straight face? Exactly what is Nuke's gemmology background, training &/or experience? Why even tell such whoppers? And why not simply own up to the lies? Obviously his friends like his opal wraps regardless of his (ahem)*wildly* inflated credentials.

Sandy, yes, I think Nuke expects to cowe people with his tirades & tantrums. I don't understand his penchant for bullying & intimidation. Does he confuse fear with respect? Does he think anyone either fears or respects him? Can he be that delusional? Seriously.

[agentorange]

Sandy, yes, I think Nuke expects to cowe people with his tirades & tantrums. I don't understand his penchant for bullying & intimidation. Does he confuse fear with respect? Does he think anyone either fears or respects him? Can he be that delusional? Seriously.
He does, indeed. Take road rage, for example. Seemingly unimportant, insignificant people behind the wheel, who find a certain amount of power, control, and lethal energy behind that wheel, who use this 2 ton instrument of transportation as their vehicle of world domination. They zoom around, often with enhanced exhaust systems to make additional noise where a cheap, weak engine cannot, they cut in front of other drivers with reckless abandon, they rev their cheesey 4 bangers with zest at every stoplight, and they truly believe that all this agressive risk taking gets them noticed as a force to be reckoned with. It gets them noticed alright, people notice them as hapless losers desperate for attention. You'll notice how many drooling teenagers fawn over people like these, and their automobiles. The sad tragedy of all this is that the automobiles are usually behind in payments, as cheap and worthless as they are, and that the drivers of those automobiles either don't work or work dead end jobs, beat their wives and girlfriends, and cannot maintain a worthwhile friendship if their lives depended upon it. We call them camaro mullets here, maybe you have a different term? Nuke has substituted his atomic blast avatar for tangible qualities ever since he stormed onto T & S, after his selling ID was NARU'd for fraud. He was so unfamiliar with the jewelry trade that he actually boasted of credentials he knew nothing more than a google about, even less than a google.... cuz, if he had googled them, he'd know that his bogus credentials could indeed have been verified online, and since his cannot, he does not have them, and never did.

One does not claim, to an extent that it literally brings others to TEARS, the credentials that nuke has claimed, if they were not PROUD of them. Proud enough to verify them! Of course, one cannot verify what one does not possess. In addition, the fact that the gemologist certifications he claimed to possess are ALL archived AND searchable in an online database by the issuing school he claimed to have obtained them from HAS NO RECORD OF HIS EVER HAVING ATTENDED OR OBTAINED ANY SUCH CERTIFICATION is of no issue to him. Remember, his associates are all criminal stalkers, losers, and harassers, and they have the same targets nuke does. It's an agreement one will never understand, one that puzzles even Einstein. It does not matter if nuke lied to them, because they lied to him! And they as a group lie to all of us. Liars have few places to go except the company of other liars. That, sadly, eventually ends in brutal war, as can be seen with nearly every member of the dump who got wise, or every member of the dump that they kicked to the curb. The people they kissed and hugged and loved and "supported no matter what" are suddenly this and that, hated, to be reviled, to be destroyed at all costs, and no mention of the previous pretend friendship is ever mentioned again. It's there though, in the years of archives, archives that not only embarass and humiliate those silly whackjobs, but archives they have convinced themselves most will never read, as the average lurker is interested only in PAGE ONE. That, maybe it's true, but it doesn't excuse them, or their behavior.

[Cyber Diva]

...The people they kissed and hugged and loved and "supported no matter what" are suddenly this and that, hated, to be reviled, to be destroyed at all costs, and no mention of the previous pretend friendship is ever mentioned again. It's there though, in the years of archives, archives that not only embarass and humiliate those silly whackjobs, but archives they have convinced themselves most will never read, as the average lurker is interested only in PAGE ONE....

Very true. It's plain to see the car-washers have tried to harass and destroy many people, and they continue to do so. In fact, it seems that's all they've really ever been motivated to do. But the proof's there in the years of archives, archives which expose all of them, past and present, for what they really are.

[tekobari]

Several people involved in this fiasco are conspiracy nuts. They see conspiracies everywhere. This is going to be fascinating. WHY Texas Banjo has responded to this bullshit is beyond me. However, the temptation to respond to lies is pretty overwhelming, so in a way I can understand it.

What I don't understand is how chops could be fooled into investing money in this mess. He may be a lot of things, but no one has ever said he was stupid, because he's smart. He does seem to have a lot of money to toy with, so it probably won't hurt him financially at all. However, that nuke could fool him is amazing. I can hardly believe it.

[agentorange]

Maybe he didn't fall for it. Maybe he didn't ever give nuke any money to begin with. Maybe chopsbuster and nuke were both waiting for Aaron's money to come rolling in? The whole thing is a fake business based on fake credentials!

[The Kings Noyse]

Maybe he didn't fall for it. Maybe he didn't ever give nuke any money to begin with. Maybe chopsbuster and nuke were both waiting for Aaron's money to come rolling in? The whole thing is a fake business based on fake credentials!
By my Stars, I'd say he's got it!

[tekobari]

Maybe he didn't fall for it. Maybe he didn't ever give nuke any money to begin with. Maybe chopsbuster and nuke were both waiting for Aaron's money to come rolling in? The whole thing is a fake business based on fake credentials!You'd be saying then, that chops is a scammer. I wouldn't believe that either, base. I know it's policy to demonize him now, but that never was my policy. And IMO, he's not like that.

[The Kings Noyse]

You'd be saying then, that chops is a scammer. I wouldn't believe that either, base. I know it's policy to demonize him now, but that never was my policy. And IMO, he's not like that.
Did it ever occur to you that he is a demon?

Afterall, he does fill his days with truly hellish work.

[Steamcleaner]

I agree with Tek, Chops is many things, but a scammer he isn't.

[agentorange]

I consider libeling his harassment victims, lying to lawyers, interfering with people's real lives with cooked up stories... I consider all of that to be scamming. He is a scammer, a fraud, and a pathological liar and a psychopath. There is no denying this, not in any way, shape, or form. There is no honor among the evil, there never was, the mafia is a myth, get real, it's all crooked and sick.

[Heartland]

All liars are scammers, otherwise they wouldn't need to lie. Scamming isn't just about money, it's about trying to make people believe something that's not true, whether through an outright lie or a distortion of the facts, for one's own selfish purposes.

[JavaNoire]

"Scamming isn't just about money"

So true...It can be about something as inane as inflating board stats.

Sandy, Tek, do you remember the earnest little right winger that posted to support the war in Iraq? Mimi something, I think..Her arguments lacked supporting documentation. She relied almost exclusively on hearsay & anecdotes & seemed oblivious to the inherent weakness in such unsubstantiated arguments. She was waaaaay out of her league sparring with Alan & Jon in S&G. Alan, for chrissake, was so damned slimy, he took on this very anemic opponent using multiple sox(4 or 5 in one thread) to make it (falsely) appear there were even more people opposed to her views. To use his sox to gang up on & bully such a weak opponent was truly disgusting. I had a very hard time believing he'd be so deceiving & underhanded.

[Heartland]

I only vaguely remember something like that, Java. I mostly tried to stay out of that forum, because much of the time it was more like banty roosters going at it than honest debate.

[agentorange]

Alan, for chrissake, was so damned slimy, he took on this very anemic opponent using multiple sox(4 or 5 in one thread) to make it (falsely) appear there were even more people opposed to her views.


Not out of character for him, though, since he used 4, 5, (even 9 in one thread) socks in nearly every single harassment thread he started on the old ezboard cardump. I had thought everyone posting there knew he was doing that, as it was so obvious, but when Jon outted him months later, most of his former followers seemed genuinely surprised. I was parsing through stacks and stacks of evidence the other day, highlighting those instances, and even I had to do a double take at the sheer number of bogus identities he employed to cause someone emotional distress, the magnitude of such effort is mind-boggling.

[JavaNoire]

Brandon, it came as a complete surprise. Oh I knew he had other IDs...But I didn't think he used em for anything but playing with a bit. I never dreamed he was posting to himself or using them to inflate threads. I thought Alan had integrity...honor. I really did.

Jon tried to tell me differently but I thought he felt that way b/c he was angry with Alan. It didn't occur to me that his anger with Alan was derived from Alan's ongoing deceits.

I've never been so thoroughly wrong about someone.

[rossshow]

Texas tells the truth, on a board that loves lies and liars:

(bolding mine)

Chops, I’ve seen nothing in print to indicate that Aaron was ever convinced that Nuke was “an exceptionally skilled maker of handcrafted opal jewelry.” And if you really think Nuke is an exceptionally skilled maker of handcrafted opal jewelry, you deserve to be a victim of one of the greatest cons that Karl has ever generated.

Not one of Nuke’s opals have been cut in a manner to remotely indicate “professional” experience. They are rough opals, most likely sanded by a belt and then placed into a rock tumbler to give them some shine, and braided in wire for mounting. You will NEVER see such stones sold in any fine jewelry store, and I challenge you or anyone else to take one of his mountings to a certified gemnologist and ask their observations and opinions of his work. And regardless of the exact sequence of events with respect to an official contract and business arrangement, the Hastings had every right and obligation to question Nuke and his credentials BEFORE finalizing any business arrangement.

Quite frankly, chops, I’m sorry you are in the middle of what I will flatly call a “scam” on Nuke’s part. And if you still believe that Nuke has earned degrees/certifications in this field, like he has said and represented to people over and over again, then you are simply blind to reality. He has represented his credentials on the Jewelry Board in a blatantly dishonest manner almost a year ago (Remember the “Karl K. GD, GC GIA” signature?). He again represented those credentials to the Hastings during his negotiations with them, and repeated his qualifications to me once again during the last phone conversation we had in which I was so disgusted. For someone to represent their qualifications as having completed courses from the Gemological Institute of America, with a GD and a GC designation without having earned such designations is just flat wrong! (Just as if he had signed his name Karl K., DDS)

He HAS NO certifications. He HAS NO degrees. He won’t produce the proof because he CAN’T produce the proof. But it’s so much easier just to “call me out”, slam me, discredit me, and put me down in any way he can. Believe what you want. Really makes no difference to me. But let me know when he finally comes to his senses and admits the truth for a change.

[rossshow]

Chops can NOT believe Texas actually posted THE TRUTH!

All chops can say is:

How do you know that?

[Heartland]

The first time I saw one of his creations, let's just say I was underwhelmed. The wrap job was the shoddiest I've ever seen on a piece someone was actually attempting to sell. The top of the wire, which is supposed to be an even wrap (picture a perfectly coiled rope) was sloppy as hell, crooked with big gaps, and the wire looked like it had been nicked in several places.

You wouldn't even find a piece that bad at Walmart. Chinese children do better work. I asked a few professional jewelry designers about it, and going by the photos he posted, they were aghast that he would consider himself a professional jewelry artist.

I must admit I found it humorous that the buzzards were telling him how great it was. Apparently for their low-end standards, it was very acceptable.

[Cyber Diva]

Chops can NOT believe Texas actually posted THE TRUTH!

All chops can say is: How do you know that?
Maybe this is how Tex knows, Alan.. same way you know.... :1bonk1:



Using the word "simulant" to describe a true synthetic stone is incorrect terminology and is addressed by the FTC, GIA, AGS and every other recognized trade lab in the world. If the policy still has the word "simulant" as being OK to describe a true synthetic stone it needs to be immediately changed.

Karl K. GD, GC GIA
aka Nuke
http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=200022984&start=39

[Cyber Diva]

Actor Alan wears a "Stone of Fire" original… :1clap5:

“I am wearing a K--- Kischkel “Stone of Fire” original, handcrafted, wire-wrapped opal (with a chain supplied by Boji). I wear it to bed, I wear it at the gym, I wear it in the shower; it never leaves my neck. I had never worn jewelry before in my life, and I had no desire to wear any, but I love this piece. Everyone who sees it admires it. Nuke is a talented artist……”

:2gamecock :2gamecock

[rossshow]

Texas posts MORE truth on the board that loves lies and liars:

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.js...22984&start=39 (http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=200022984&start=39)

Yes, the infamous link where Nuke tells the world of his qualifications and credentials. And yet you don't seem to recall it.

No, chops, you wouldn't understand the word, "scam", if it hit you in the face, and yet you were the one on T&S for the longest crying "foul" when you spotted people doing unethical, illegal, and questionable things. But when one of your own CW members engages in misrepresentation, you just turn your eye and claim "there is no evidence."

Yes, when a person puts "DDS" beside his name and claims to be a dentist when not earning the designation, he is a scammer and engaging in a scam. And when Nuke places a GD, GC GIA beside his name without earning the designations, is he not also is a scammer and engaging in a scam?

Oh yes, the old "bait and switch" routine... When I say he doesn't have these earned certifications, you just say, "How do you know that?" Well, there is a website where one can enter the names of "alumni" from the GIA. (Just do some investigative work and find it yourself.) Funny how when one enters Nuke's name, it has no record of his attendance. I guess that would be just one dead giveaway?

And perhaps someone may have sent the GIA a copy of the post made on the Jewelry and Gemstones board, and confirmed that the designations are fictitious? Would that perhaps be another dead giveaway?

It's nice to know you have some of your work at Tiffany's, on the web, and at your local jewelry store... If I had made such a statement, I would have provided a link to Tiffany's to prove how much a liar Texas Banjo is, but there you go again, Nuke... If you tell a lie long enough and often enough, chops is bound to believe you. Most of the rest of us have caught on to you, though.

[trouble1957]

Damning.

[kim]

like you are one to talk you slimeball...

[trouble1957]

Want to be a bit more specific with your attack there mona? Or, would you like to expound upon your post a bit.

Hmmm?

[kim]

slimeball slimeball icky icky slimeball...

[trouble1957]

More stalking? and MORE trolling?

:1cryhard:

[kim]

fuck off slimeball...

- who's stalking who i was here first...

[rossshow]

Meanwhile, on topic:

Nuke and Chops want Texas to STOP telling the truth, and address the lies that they put forward


Jerry Crouser has yet to address anything posted to him. I wonder why?

[trouble1957]

Obviously, you're attempting to de-rail this thread.

Agenda much?

[trouble1957]

My apology Mr. ross. I was unable to collect my thoughts from my encounter with your resident stalker and type a response and hit the enter button before you did.

Perhaps some lotion might do me good after all.

:2slampan:

[kim]

no agenda other than i detest slimeballs...

on topic: who in the hell is jerry courser...?

- fuck off fuck off fuck off slimeball...

[trouble1957]

:sm1194:

[Cyber Diva]

Meanwhile, on topic:

Nuke and Chops want Texas to STOP telling the truth, and address the lies that they put forward

That's a lie, Jerry. I asked you if you have proof. I've seen none.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
Yes, when a person puts "DDS" beside his name and claims to be a dentist when not earning the designation, he is a scammer and engaging in a scam. And when Nuke places a GD, GC GIA beside his name without earning the designations, is he not also is a scammer and engaging in a scam?

If indeed he has claimed credentials that he does not possess, that would be dishonest and it would be evidence that he is engaged in a scam. I've seen no proof that he does not possess the credentials he claims. Can you produce such proof? Since you've repeatedly alleged that Nuke is a scammer who has presented false credentials, you'd better be able to prove it.
How many times does Alan need to see .... :puppeteer

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.js...22984&start=39

[Cyber Diva]

It's easy to call a man a liar. Where's your proof, Texas Banjo? It is easy? For whom? :1eek2:

[The Kings Noyse]

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/code/code.html?sec=civ&codesection=3046-3066

CALIFORNIA CIVIL CODE

§ 3051. Every person who, while lawfully in possession of an article
of personal property, renders any service to the owner thereof, by
labor or skill, employed for the protection, improvement,
safekeeping, or carriage thereof, has a special lien thereon,
dependent on possession, for the compensation, if any, which is due
to him from the owner for such service; a person who makes, alters,
or repairs any article of personal property, at the request of the
owner, or legal possessor of the property, has a lien on the same for
his reasonable charges for the balance due for such work done and
materials furnished, and may retain possession of the same until the
charges are paid...
...
§ 3052. If the person entitled to the lien provided in Section 3051
is not paid the amount due, and for which such lien is given, within
10 days after the same shall have become due, then such lienholder
may proceed to sell such property, or so much thereof as may be
necessary to satisfy such lien and costs of sale at public auction,
and by giving at least 10 days' but not more than 20 days' previous
notice of such sale by advertising in some newspaper published in the
county in which such property is situated; or if there be no
newspaper printed in such county, then by posting notice of sale in
three of the most public places in the town and at the place where
such property is to be sold, for 10 days previous to the date of the
sale; provided, however, that within 20 days after such sale, the
legal owner may redeem any such property so sold to satisfy such lien
upon the payment of the amount thereof, all costs and expenses of
such sale, together with interest on such sum at the rate of 12
percent per annum from the due date thereof or the date when the same
were advanced until the repayment. The proceeds of the sale must be
applied to the discharge of the lien and the cost of keeping and
selling the property; the remainder, if any, must be paid over to the
legal owner thereof.

§ 3052a. Every person, firm, or corporation, engaged in performing
work upon any watch, clock or jewelry, for a price, shall have a lien
upon the watch, clock, or jewelry for the amount of any account that
may be due for the work done thereon. The lien shall also include
the value or agreed price, if any, of all materials furnished by the
lienholder in connection with the work. If any account for work done
or materials furnished shall remain unpaid for one year after
completing the work, the lienholder may, upon 30 days notice in
writing to the owner, specifying the amount due, and informing him
that the payment of the amount due within 30 days will entitle him to
redeem the property, sell any such article or articles at public or
bona fide private sale to satisfy the account. The proceeds of the
sale, after paying the expenses thereof, shall first be applied to
liquidate the indebtedness secured by the lien and the balance, if
any, shall be paid over to the owner.
The notice may be served by registered mail with return receipt
demanded, directed to the owner's last known address, or, if the
owner or his address be unknown, it may be posted in two public
places in the town or city where the property is located. Nothing
herein contained shall be construed as preventing the lienholder from
waiving the lien herein provided for suing upon the amount if he
elects to do so.
This should demonstrate to even the veridically-challenged fools at TCW4 that both Kischkel and Polonsky are reckless liars without even an iota of understanding concerning the operation of commercial law. Anything I create for which I am not paid belongs to me. Any personal property given to me clearly is mine, and any personal property entrusted to me for improvement is subject to my lawful lien until my bill has been duly paid. That is the law, and adhering to the law (which is something both Kischkel and Polonsky have had a devil of a time doing) renders one's conduct lawful, not criminal.

In their usual, deceiving manner, however, these conmen, Kisckel and Polonsky, now are attempting to disregard self-evident fact and stand reason on its head by falsely asserting that obeying the law somehow is "criminal," while violating the law is simply their right. I have news for this pair of charlatans and their crew: This will never succeed outside the scurrilous, repugnant little sideshow they have arranged with the help of their simpering, supplicating cult members. No rational person ever will accept for long their deranged, tortured perversions of reality. I guarantee it.

Both prior to and since the closure of that odious libel lounge for cause, these lawless e-hooligans have engaged in a reckless course that includes stalking and harassment, libel, libel per se, consipracy to commit libel, extortion, actual and constructive fraud, identity theft, credit card fraud, and other unlawful acts, and yet they, each of them, have the shameless mendacity and the foolish audacity to describe the lawful shutdown of an unlawful harassment board, as well as the lawful retention of items of personal property that clearly are subject to a lawful service lien, as "criminal." Such is the paucity of their character, the foul malignancy of their deceitful hearts and minds, and their utter lack of reason.

[rossshow]

Poor Texas. He just doesn't undersand how much they hate the truth over at the Car Wash.

Chops keeps evading the fact that Nuke has lied about his dgrees and certifications:


Do you have proof that Nuke misrepresented his credentials, or do you not? It's a simple question.


We need NUKE to do that. Show those creds, Nukey!

Texas can't prove the facts, but Nuke can end it all, and brand Texas as a Meddling Liar. Nuke? Show your cards. Blow Jerry away with the truth.

[agentorange]

A good word of advice for those interesting in buying gemstones (or doing business with someone):
http://www.jupitersweb.com/planetary_colors_and_planetary_g.htm


To be certain of what you are getting here in the USA, a consumer would request the Lab Certification (of the Gemstone Certification) as to describe the quality and authenticity of the stone, along with the certification (stating in writing) the particulars such as origin, dimension, length, width, carat weight, chart of stone, treated or not treated (to enhance color - which should NOT be done), ID #, etc...Anyone who does business with a jeweler who is not GIA Certified (the # 1 Lab Certification in the USA) and/or does not absolutely request that proof of Certification from GIA, runs the risk of only fooling himself/herself. If you are not offered that Certification by the jeweler prior to purchasing the stone, ask for it. If the jeweler is GIA Certified (giving him/her viable and visible documentation to personally evaluate the grade of any given stone, and signs will be hanging in the place of business if he/she is GIA Certified), he/she is qualified to evaluate stones... BUT if you request the "specific" GIA Lab Certification from the GIA lab itself (for FULL PROOF of quality and authenticity), the cost is normally passed on to you by your jeweler - which may run another $100 or so - as s/he must send out for that documentation. You need to absolutely know all of these things prior to the purchase if you plan on using these gems for astrological strengthening purposes. Any slight variations in quality means thousands of dollars...So a lesser quality stone may be deceptive and may look just as pretty, but will not do the job.



Basically, a gem dealer should OFFER proof of their credentials to a potential buyer or business partner. They should at the very least provide them upon REQUEST. It's a no-brainer. I feel stupid even posting this. When you walk into a doctor's office you see the credentials hanging on the wall. When you walk into an auto mechanic's workshop, you see the credentials hanging on the wall. When you walk into a lawfirm, you see credentials. You see them at an accounting firm, you see them at a real estate office. You seem them EVERYWHERE that credentials are required, or where credentials are considered important. You will see them in 100% of the cases where credentials are advertised by the supposed holder of those credentials, and the only time proof of credentials is refused is when those credentials do not exist. Earning a degree, a license, a certification, or a credential is something to be proud of. It is something people tend to advertise. It is something people never attempt to hide. It is not a secret, it is never a "none of your business" issue--it is the bread and butter of a professional.

[agentorange]

To prevent fraud and misrepresentation, GIA (one of the credentials Nuke has claimed to hold, ALL OVER THE EBAY BOARDS, ALL OVER THE CARDUMP, various other places, and to his business partner, Aaron) has made available an online database of all holders of said certification. You can search to see who holds it (and anyone not listed there does not have it).

Here, one can search for a graduate (worldwide) from GIA:
http://www.gia.edu/alumni/324/member_directory.cfm
Note: If the graduate you are seeking is not listed and you wish to verify the GIA education credentials we require than an Education Verification Form (http://www.gia.edu/pdfs/EducationVerificationForm.pdf) be mailed or faxed to GIA.

If this stalker/scammer were really GIA certified, and he was involved in misconduct with relation to his certification, you can report it to GIA directly:
http://www.gia.edu/ethics/31236/gia_ethics_hotline.cfm

[Cyber Diva]

Poor Texas. He just doesn't undersand how much they hate the truth over at the Car Wash.

Chops keeps evading the fact that Nuke has lied about his dgrees and certifications:

We need NUKE to do that. Show those creds, Nukey!

Texas can't prove the facts, but Nuke can end it all, and brand Texas as a Meddling Liar. Nuke? Show your cards. Blow Jerry away with the truth.



Here's the email from James Smith with the content of the article that was published by the Guard. I suppose you'll say it's a forgery too.


Centralia has produced some names that garnered national notice. To name two; Chance in industry and Burnett in college athletics. Now, perhaps, in gemology, :rolleyes: Centralia will be the launching pad for another name, Kischkel.

Most people know Karl Kischkel as the genial, talkative owner, operator of PaintWorx painting and contracting. He’s been known to swing a deft paint brush and saw many a straight line. But he has another passion besides wood and paint. Cutting stones, precious ones to be specific, opals to be exact, and that passion is about to blossom from a self-supporting hobby to platinum-card profession.... :rolleyes:

Kischkel often wraps gold or platinum wire to create mounts or settings for his pieces. On his left hand he wears a heavy gold ring he cast himself [even though he isn't a goldsmith and cannot even size a ring?]..... :1liar3:

Cutting them is fairly risky, cutters like Karl never know when they buy rough opals whether they are buying something that they can turn into a jewel, or just gravel..... [lol]

It is a gamble, agrees Kischkel, “Opals are absolutely unique,” he said. “There is no way of telling what you are going to get when you cut into a rough stone, it is a gamble.” [sounds real certified!]

Kischkel has fans closer to home than California. Debbie Jones of Centralia wears some of his work. “I think the most important thing about his work is that it is very unique,” said Jones. “You’ll never see any two pieces of his jewelry alike unless he tries to make them that way. My stone is really fiery opal with 10 pieces of gold wrapped around it a unique way.”

“Stones are mostly nothing more than a different type of material that needs to be cut and ground,” said Kischkel, of his shift from machinist to gemologist. :2slampan:

As for the shift from Chicago to mid-Missouri, his wife had family here, and he said, “I was tired of the rat race, absolutely tired, and I watched every place I hunted and fished get turned into a subdivision or some other part of the urban sprawl.” It was while living in that sprawl he developed his technique. He said while teaching himself the techniques of cutting rough opals and other stones with a high-speed diamond saw blade. “It’s really just your average tile cutter,” he said, and polishing the results with a high-speed belt sander, he was able to give and sell his better efforts to friends and neighbors around Chicago. “That was way before the Internet,” he said. .... :1barf1:

What’s next? Kischkel plans to continue with PaintWorx, but with luck [and a sucker or two :1bonk1: ], eventually, instead of pine and oak, for local decks in Boone County, most of his time will be spent cutting and polishing opals, for rings and pendants on the fingers and necklines of Rodeo Drive. :1crazy:


:sm1132:

[The Kings Noyse]

Poor Texas. He just doesn't undersand how much they hate the truth over at the Car Wash.

Chops keeps evading the fact that Nuke has lied about his dgrees and certifications:

We need NUKE to do that. Show those creds, Nukey!

Texas can't prove the facts, but Nuke can end it all, and brand Texas as a Meddling Liar. Nuke? Show your cards. Blow Jerry away with the truth.
This was the very problem I had with Karl Kischkel running his big mouth nonstop, always trying to cajole and manipulate money, property, and free services from me, but never willing to back up his conceited claims with any kind of proof. He said he held a degree in Chemical Engineering, a GG from GIA, and various other gem trade credentials, certifications, and affiliations, but no evidence beyond his own mouth was ever provided. When it came time to put up or shut up, he just changed the subject.

Naturally, I wasn't going to commit resources and our own reputation to publishing Kischkel's fairy tale about himself without some kind of corroboration, and I told both Karl Kischkel and Alan Polonsky this very early on. I never received any evidence that Polonsky factually had sent Kischkel any money, and I really wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be false also. I certainly never received any accounting from Kischkel concerning how this money had been "allocated," and this was despite his frequent assurances that this would be forthcoming "soon." His recent blundering posts at TCW4 demonstrate that he never even prepared such an accounting, and he's now admitted that he never had any intention to prepare such an accounting for me. I think almost any fool will understand immediately that no person can be obligated to move forward with such a "business" deal in the midst of such obvious fraud, concealment, and deception. Their blatant disregard of these irrefutable facts couped with their reckless, malicious pattern of misconduct shows that these hooligans are determined to manufacture problems, claims, and causes of action where none exist. They are the problem, and the record will show this.

And consider the glaring contradictions in the lying testimony of this pair of idiot hoodlums. For instance: Polonsky falsely claims that I approached them to do business and that he only became involved in a business relationship with Kischkel because of me; but Kischkel recently published that he has been Polonsky's business partner now for three years! Of course, there are dozens of examples like this, but this one should provide a glimpse of what poor liars they are, as they can't even get their deceptions in sync. Just try to imagine these fabulists in a deposition!

[agentorange]

Just try to imagine these fabulists in a deposition!
LOL, I don't need to imagine it.

[The Kings Noyse]

I don't need to imagine it.
If this means what I think it does then you can have your attorney submit a request to admin@devala.com for a copy of TCW3 content, which we are making available to Law Enforcement and to counsel for past victims of Alan Polonsky and his wrecking crew. We consider this our civic duty and a public service. We will be posting a notice on Devala.com shortly with instructions on how authorities and counsel for litigants may obtain certified copies for their records.

[The Kings Noyse]

Anything I create for which I am not paid belongs to me. Any personal property given to me clearly is mine, and any personal property entrusted to me for improvement is subject to my lawful lien until my bill has been duly paid. That is the law...

Yeah, right. The law says, dipshit, that one is only entitled to a lien against the property if the service is done at the request of the owner. You did what the owner of the property specifically asked you NOT to do.
It sounds like you've been listening to that liar Karl again. Tsk Tsk

Here's a clue: http://devala.com/lit/IMG_0855.jpg

Naturally, I wasn't going to commit resources...

So which is it? If you didn't commit resources, how can you place a lein against Nuke's property?
Well, dumbass, if you had read the rest of the sentence instead of deceptively deleting most of it with the intention of mesleading others, the answer would be tight there before you:
Naturally, I wasn't going to commit resources and our own reputation to publishing Kischkel's fairy tale about himself without some kind of corroboration, and I told both Karl Kischkel and Alan Polonsky this very early on.
Just see difference in meaning that obtains when the entire sentence is produced! Notice in particular the bolded section you omitted when misquoting me.

So, Jayne, what does publishing Kischkel's fairy tale about himself, which I never did, have to do with my making a beautiful 25 gram opal and diamond 18K gold man's ring in size 10? I made the ring at Karl Kischkel's request, as evidenced by his "purchase order" reproduced above, and now I have a valid lien on that property according to law. This shouldn't be so difficult for you to follow.

If such "reasoning" is representative of your "case," then you people had better be prepared to pay both my damages and my legal fees. :1kiss1:

[The Kings Noyse]

He HAS NO certifications. He HAS NO degrees. He won’t produce the proof because he CAN’T produce the proof. But it’s so much easier just to “call me out”, slam me, discredit me, and put me down in any way he can. Believe what you want. Really makes no difference to me. But let me know when he finally comes to his senses and admits the truth for a change.
Jerry, one thing you need to understand about Alan is that he doesn't "believe" in facts or people in the way that you or I do. What Alan sees are assertions and fact situations that either are tenable or untenable, without any regard or concern for their truth or falsity. For Alan, a carefully constructed and successfully deployed falsehood is, as far as he is concerned, as good as the truth, and given the choice, I think Alan prefers the lie. He certainly delights in deceiving others, and his greatest pleasure is realized in his pastime of character assassination based on fabricated evidence. He's a pathological liar, an incorrigible gossip, and a malicious slanderer of the worst kind. From what I have observed, he has no redeeming qualities or virtues to speak of, which really is quite amazing to me. He has literally wasted years of his adult life viciously pursuing his hapless victims as a relentless, stalking e-hooligan, and despite so many faults, so much failure, repeated humiliation, and constant reprimands, he never changes but remains supremely arrogant.

Right now, it suits Alan to champion Karl's hopeless cause, probably because Karl can finger Alan in the Baltzer-Wright identity theft caper. Evidently, Karl was actually on the phone with Alan while he was committing the criminal act, and now Karl has a hold on Alan. Why else would Alan be mouthing such idiotic statements as, "I'm wearing a Karl Kischkel original"? Think about it: Alan is an actor, which means he is practiced at feigning emotion and giving false expression to thoughts and ideas he does not hold. Keep in mind also that Alan is completely unprincipled. When dealing with Alan one must remember always that he never stops acting, and so when considering his statements, remeber the adage: The better the actor, the less reliable the witness. Alan considers his lying and deception to be "art," and he's practicing his art all the time; so beware. This has been my experience.

After Karl had been hounding me for money and free help with his website off and on for about 8 months, I offered him a shot at supplying calibrated loose stones for our diamond settings, and Karl insisted he could produce these with "no problem." That, of course, was bullshit. In all the time I was dealing with him, he was so constipated that he could only squeeze out one single calibrated stone of poor color, which I sent right back with a scathing letter entitled, "Show me the fire!" Alan knew the problems with Karl then, and he knows the problems now, but none of that matters to Alan because Alan's current disingenuous agenda requires Karl, and that's all there is to it. That's why no amount of proof or good counsel or demonstration ever will dissuade Alan, and that's why you're wasting your time if your goal is to help Alan; for Alan doesn't want help, and the truth doesn't matter to him. I mean that sincerely and without exaggeration.

Calling you out, slamming you, and trying to discredit you simply are the methods Alan and Karl employ to deal with difficult people they cannot control and that know too much about them. They will work relentlessly to nullify the evidence you present by trying to destroy your good reputation, by incessantly calling you a liar, and by trying to intimidate you by every conceivable means. All they want is for you to stop publishing the truth and to go away. Most people do, and they know it.

[mouthymouse]

Years ago on T&S an argumentitive thread would start about "credentials", who you had to show them to. At the time, I had B&M shop and was on the defensive side of the arguement.....said my licenses were posted at the shop, and I didn't want to email copies to people.

I was always the loser in those arguements. Someone would post a link to where people could check and see if I possessed licenses, some legal pages saying I had to show this to anyone who asked, and the arguements would go on to more technical licenses and credentials like people are talking about in this thread.

The way I see it, (maybe because I was always proven wrong before), is the person claiming to have credentials is the one to prove it. Not the people questioning the existance of them.

[rossshow]

the person claiming to have credentials is the one to prove it. Not the people questioning the existance of them.



Winner winner lobster dinner!

[Cyber Diva]

Years ago on T&S an argumentitive thread would start about "credentials", who you had to show them to. At the time, I had B&M shop and was on the defensive side of the arguement.....said my licenses were posted at the shop, and I didn't want to email copies to people.

I was always the loser in those arguements. Someone would post a link to where people could check and see if I possessed licenses, some legal pages saying I had to show this to anyone who asked, and the arguements would go on to more technical licenses and credentials like people are talking about in this thread.

The way I see it, (maybe because I was always proven wrong before), is the person claiming to have credentials is the one to prove it. Not the people questioning the existance of them.

Good point! If someone is holding himself out to others as being especially qualified, or more trustworthy, or more of an authority based on some claimed credentials or specialized knowledge or experience, then he ought to be willing to produce some kind of proof when asked for verification, simply as a matter of course, but when such qualifications are being presented as a basis to entice another to enter into a contract, to invest in a business, or to otherwise part with valuable consideration, then requiring such proof should not even be necessary, as the person claiming the special qualifications should already have produced the proof without asking. It's just common sense. Karl wanted our company to create, publish and market a website showcasing his qualifications, credentials (and bio which he wouldn't even put in writing!) based on his representations alone, and in business that's just not good enough. :1bonk1:

Alan knew what was needed and what Karl wasn't providing as early as the second or third week in September, but nothing ever came of Aaron's repeated requests to Karl but more excuses and silence. The extortion these con artists have been attempting since the shut down of TCW3 just shows how low they are willing to go to get even with us for locking down their filthy stalking and harassment forum and for not allowing ourselves to be swindled. Somehow they figure that's our fault.

[mouthymouse]

Good point! If someone is holding himself out to others as being especially qualified, or more trustworthy, or more of an authority based on some claimed credentials or specialized knowledge or experience, then he ought to be willing to produce some kind of proof when asked for verification, simply as a matter of course, but when such qualifications are being presented as a basis to entice another to enter into a contract, to invest in a business, or to otherwise part with valuable consideration, then requiring such proof should not even be necessary, as the person claiming the special qualifications should already have produced the proof without asking. It's just common sense. Karl wanted our company to create, publish and market a website showcasing his qualifications, credentials (and bio which he wouldn't even put in writing!) based on his representations alone, and in business that's just not good enough. :1bonk1:

Alan knew what was needed and what Karl wasn't providing as early as the second or third week in September, but nothing ever came of Aaron's repeated requests to Karl but more excuses and silence. The extortion these con artists have been attempting since the shut down of TCW3 just shows how low they are willing to go to get even with us for locking down their filthy stalking and harassment forum and for not allowing ourselves to be swindled. Somehow they figure that's our fault.

What I find funny is them bringing up that fluff piece written in a local paper as some kind of proof that Karl has/is all he claims to be. I could easily become 10 times what I actually am with ephemeria like that to back my story........only none of it would be true.

There was a fluff piece in the local paper on my first store, included my picture, and it dropped some big names. The grand opening had another fluff piece because a senator showed up......group picture with the symbolic cutting of the red ribbon. This is just what I'm thinking of this instant, I know I could think of more stuff to make myself look like an important art dealer........only none of that is true.

I have no credentials, and I have a feeling a certain someone won't be producing any either.

[The Kings Noyse]

The basic ring concept is correct however it is not cast in rose gold as instructed by me, it has accent stones, which I specifically said was not to be done and he had my initials cast into it on top of all that!
Take a look at the flimsy 3" x 5" hastily hand-written note that accompanied the stone:

http://devala.com/lit/IMG_0855.jpg

Do you see any mention of the terms "rose gold" or "accent stones"? No you don't because they're not there. No, these ex post facto claims are Karl's lame excuse for not paying, which he made up after the ring already was made and the bill was presented. Evidently, he didn't have the money, and Alan, who has a rare gift for ad hoc contrivances, saw this as a good opportunity to cause unnecessary problems; so together they've concocted this scam.

What was requested and what was created was a simple 18K gold man's setting, just as Karl specified on his little note. We were given liberal artistic license in creating the ring, as evidenced by the scant, vaguely construed instructions provided. This demonstrates Karl's state of mind at the time, in particular his implicit trust in our work and in our pricing. If Karl wants to quibble now over minor details that were never discussed before placing his order, and especially after being offered such a beautiful ring at less than the value of the materials used, then this only demonstrates his dishonesty and his determination to slander me.

I think we've discovered the identity of Karl's "free" attorney!

Nuke, have you seen this?

http://devala.com/lit/IMG_0855.jpg

If I'd taken a gemstone to someone and asked them to put it in a "simple 18kt gold" setting, and they returned it embellished with diamonds which they expected me to pay for, I wouldn't accept it, either.
In which case you'd probably lose your stone, assuming you'd handled the transaction in the same way that Karl has. In case it's any of your business, I didn't ask Karl to pay for the diamonds. I asked him to pay for the cost of the approximately 23 grams of 18K yellow gold ($390) plus a nominal $100 fee for the labor. Now given his nebulous description of what he wanted, and the wide dimension for artistic interpretation he implicitly and explicitly afforded me, he really has no basis for complaining now about the finished product, which is an excellent and handsome piece of fine jewelry.

If you read the ridiculous fluff article Karl cooked up with James Smith in Centralia, you'll see that Karl was boasting a large man's ring during the interview, which he claimed to have cast himself. Now if Karl wanted a ring consistent with his style of jewelry design then obviously he could have just made it himself. Right? But Karl wanted something better, something especially nice for this, the flagship stone he'd cherry-picked from all the rough he had in his possession at the time. That's why he entrusted it to me. He knew that I would make something simple but elegant, and at a very good price, which is exactly what I did. The fact is that the ring would have been less than ordinary and actually unattractive without the diamonds. Indeed, something was needed to break the large expanse of plain gold at either side along the shank, as this was "stealing the thunder" of the center stone. The triangular cuts set with a pair of fine white diamonds achieved this simply, elegantly, and beautifully.

One lead we're exploring right now is the urgency and timing in Karl's request and the assertion by his former employer that Karl is no goldsmith, without any ability to cast or even to size rings. My guess is that Karl was planning to strut around Centralia with his Beverly Hills business cards claiming that he had made the ring himself. It seems it wouldn't be the first time. We think there's even more to it than this, however.

[10x]

King A Question: Looking at purchase order the stone was to be set in gold, There is no mention of diamonds with this order. Whos idea was it to use such with the ring?


Your proof so far may cost you!

[10x]

From that order any jeweler would have made shure what the customer whanted befor making it. Adding your free rain of "ARTISTIC" ideas, including the diamonds; is not in the jewelers power.

[The Kings Noyse]

From that order any jeweler would have made shure what the customer whanted befor making it. Adding your free rain of "ARTISTIC" ideas, including the diamonds; is not in the jewelers power.
In fact, Roy, you're quite wrong about that. It absolutely is within my power to exercise artistic license, which is something I both require and do on a daily basis, and this happens to be an important reason why people come to me. You wouldn't ask me to make a piece of jewelry for you unless you trusted me, and in my experience, most people will want to provide a liberal degree of artistic license because they do trust my judgment, and they want the result to be as good as possible. If they place unnecessary restrictions upon me then I can't always do that, and in Karl's case, he knew that I would make the right decisions. If he had more specific requirements then he should have used a larger piece of paper and made me aware of them. I don't take orders from people that try to micromanage the creative process, and I certainly would not have accepted Karl's order if he had not given me the artistic freedom to create a beautiful ring within broad parameters. Karl knew this at the time he asked me to make the ring, and he trusted me enough to make the ring I envisioned with very little direction from him. Try and find anything to the contrary that wasn't fashioned after the ring had been made. You'll fail.

[rossshow]

Let's not get too far afield.

IS Nuke Certified, as he claims? That is the main point to this thread.

Aaron? He did represent himself as such, yet you never saw proof. Is that true?

[The Kings Noyse]

Let's not get too far afield.

IS Nuke Certified, as he claims? That is the main point to this thread.

Aaron? He did represent himself as such, yet you never saw proof. Is that true?
Yes, quite true. Just like a petulant child, he would whine about his website not being done one minute, and then whine about not having his Beverly Hills business cards and "90210 address" the next. I tried several times to explain the situation very clearly to Karl, that no content = no website, and that by content I meant a credible bio with sufficient supporting documentation (e.g. diplomas, credentials, specifics and references concerning his experience), usable photos, usable text, and last but not least, some actual OPALS. I could never get any of this from Karl, and I told Alan right after Karl's fluff article appeared that if Karl didn't have a GG degree then the deal was off.

Karl is a hothead, and so I gave him a wide berth and tried to deal with him carefully, but the fact is that he was asked for these things many times, and he was given plenty of time to produce what was required. He just never did, and he never bothered to explain why. All of my contact with Karl (and Alan) was on the phone (I've never met either of them), and when Karl is backed into a corner he just clams up and goes silent, which I found remarkable for such a nonstop talker. The way it would go down generally is that I would ask for what I needed, and then Karl would respond with something like, "fine." Then nothing. The first and only time there was a two-way conversation about this occurred in mid-September when Karl had complained to Alan about my not doing his website, and I very strongly confronted Karl about his not providing the necessary content. After that the content question came up rarely and only peripherally, as they seemed to be working together on "Plan B" and were keeping me out of the loop concerning whatever they were scheming. Karl then assumed his “I’m a painter” persona, and Alan soon stopped talking about business altogether, discussing almost exclusively the Carwash and related topics during our subsequent conversations. Needless to say, I wasn’t impressed with either of them as businessmen.

[Cyber Diva]

Roy, if Karl didn't intend to give artistic license to Aaron to make the ring, then why didn't he just cast the ring himself? :2headspin

It's true, Karl claimed he's a goldsmith and was quite capable of casting an 18K gold ring, but you see, Karl also represented to both Alan and Aaron that someone had stolen all of his equipment right out from under his nose, so he was reduced to making only wire wrapped jewelry for the time being. :1bonk1:

Why not just buy the equipment needed so that he could wear a heavy gold ring he cast himself, you wonder? Or, why not just "create" a wire-wrap ring for an upcoming product layout?

Well, it turns out sometime after Karl's promotional news story hit the streets of Centralia, a number of curious folks there all of a sudden wanted to see the signature ring mentioned by Smith and Kischkel in their small town 'local artisan poised to go worldwide story,' because... "on his left hand he wears a heavy gold ring he cast himself," reported James Smith. :rolleyes:

So, you tell us.. why the big rush for a cast ring designed by Aaron, why not make a wire wrap piece to be used in a "product layout for noble boxes?" Alan couldn't answer that question either; neither could the newspaper in Centralia explain why there were never any photos of Kischkel's jewelry shown, as Kischkel promised there would be! :1dig:

[rossshow]

The longer it takes Nuke to provide proof of his claimed certifications are real, the more people who will believe what Texas Banjo was saying is actually the truth.

[trouble1957]

As an aside, and some here may relate to the following remark I'm about to make, but I simply must say.

As I read these threads about the scamming and the lying and the who did what to whom, when and by how much...........

I've never been so fucking grateful for a regular job where I go to work, make an honest dollar, then come home, relax and read about other people's misery unfolding before my eyes.

LIFE IS GOOD.

[10x]

trouble1957 Great post.


CD I do not know of any experianced jeweler that would just go and waist the wax, investment, fule to do the burn out, the fuel to melt the gold, and most of all the time to do all this without the clients full agreement. As for Nukes papers I dont care. If he has got such he should post them. If he has lost them he needs to get copys of them. As for most of what has been posted here, I find it amusing how little folks know about the jewelry industry, including the one that are suposedly in it. ROTFLMAO

If the ring itself ends up in court, well it will be interesting to see how they veiw artistic range, and what is a contract for such.

[10x]

The Kings Noyse Missed your post.

Simple if you can not draw me what your "artistic" idea is for me to verify, how can you make a contract for such? Luck of the draw for the day? Good luck. Nothing like playing the lottery.

[10x]

King

to be honest in my evaluation of the situation, you made the ring with the intent to please the customer. I found it interesting. The Diamonds did well to set it off, the initial cut out provided the personal touch as well as the light through, and structural suport for the mount.

But then again, it is still up to the customer to say what they want prior to making an item. A costly leson I hope you have learned.

[10x]

One more question King.

Did you glue the stone in with out a form of other setting? Ie Prongs or Bezel? Pined? etc?

[Cyber Diva]

The longer it takes Nuke to provide proof of his claimed certifications are real, the more people who will believe what Texas Banjo was saying is actually the truth.

Ross, when Aaron asked Nuke for a simple bio which could be used to describe the "artist's life," & qualifications, Nuke's reply was that the newspaper story was going to "take care of that" for him.

Well, when the article came out, here were some of the highlights....

"Centralia has produced some names that garnered national notice. To name two; Chance in industry and Burnett in college athletics. Now, perhaps, in gemology, Centralia will be the launching pad for another name, Kischkel. ... Stones are mostly nothing more than a different type of material that needs to be cut and ground,” said Kischkel, of his shift from machinist to gemologist.”

The news report was somehow used to further demonstrate that Karl was a gemologist! :rolleyes: After the article came out, then the "demand" to make the ring came in, but no bio. When Alan was questioned about the loose opal, he claimed this was the first he heard about a ring. So, we moved forward, and made the ring for Karl, right, not for Stone of Fire? :1cryhard:

[rossshow]

newspaper story was going to "take care of that" for him.

More and more, it looks like Texas Banjo is telling the truth on a board that loves lies and liars.

[The Kings Noyse]

You still haven't answered my question, Roy. Keep in mind that we're talking about a $400-$500 stone tops (big deal), so my setting is worth far more than the stone, and I have a lien on the finished product in any case. This is a substantive legal right, which I will not relinquish despite any amount of extorionate pressure in the form of libel, harassment, or fraudulent charges coming from the liars Kischkel and Polonsky and their dimwitted crew of knuckle-dragging e-hooligans. Once I'm paid and my civil lien has been satisfied, then I'll gladly deliver the ring to the customer, but certainly not before because I'm under no legal obligation to do so. Kischkel's abusive attempts to harass and intimidate me into effecting delivery without payment constitutes extortion, which is a felony. If he had any sense, he'd restrain himself, but I think we all know that's more than anyone can expect from him.

Once again, these foolish clowns demonstrate their complete lack of legal understanding. Kischkel sent me the stone unsolicited with a brief, hand-written request that has been satisfied; therefore, there is no conceivable legal theory under which he can proceed to make his ludicrous and libelous charges of "grand larceny" and "mail fraud." All they're demonstrating with their current round of hyper-blustering is their own animosity and clueless stupidity. As usual, Karl is just lying, blowing smoke, and using defamation as the means to his nefarious end of serving Karl. He does this all the time. In fact, it was just weeks ago when he marched into the Centralia Police Dept. and attempted to report a wild, scurrilous whopper against me and then announced on Alan's libel lounge that I had been "civilly and criminally enjoined," which is patently false. Oh yeah, right. According to reports on the ground, the police thought his story was so "important" that they stopped him in the middle of his lying spiel and told him to move his beater, which was illegally parked. lol. He also promised to shut his flapping yap at that time "on the advice of counsel," but as anyone can see, he hasn't kept that promise either. Doesn't anyone remember that? The only thing that makes any sense at this point is that either Karl is insane or he's stoned out of his mind. How else can his completely unhinged behavior be explained?

The truth s that Karl and Alan and their entire circus are a laughing stock. They bluster and threaten and falsely accuse, they file false complaints and make false reports, they victimize others and then cry victim, and they exploit and misuse the very systems that have been put in place to protect real victims from people like them. In the past, these techniques served these internet predators well, and they managed to terrorize many into leaving their sphere of influence or the internet altogether, but no one takes this tempest in a teapot seriously any more. Not at all. Their days of riding high are done, and the pair of them, plus one or two of their virulent underlings, are destined for a rude awakening.

[The Kings Noyse]

I knew I could find it. Here's what the dumbass published on 12-23-05:

Now that the Hastings along with their current surrogates are officially enjoined in actionable criminal and civil litigation I will no longer be making any posts concerning this matter.
Does he actually think he is believed by anyone outside of their cult?

[The Kings Noyse]

More and more, it looks like Texas Banjo is telling the truth on a board that loves lies and liars.
Exactly right, I'd say. From what I can see, Banjo is a lone voice of reason at that cesspool of ignorance.

[Cyber Diva]

More and more, it looks like Texas Banjo is telling the truth on a board that loves lies and liars.
The news report was somehow used to further demonstrate Karl is mysteriously a gemologist, but Karl forgot to consider that others in Centralia would read that story too.......

One of those readers was Karl's former boss at Advantage Jewelry, who claimed that Karl did NOT have a GIA degree! In fact, he explained that Karl had requested they pay for his GIA course, and they refused, claiming he wasn't even worth the investment! :rolleyes:

Karl has no references that are for real. The purpose of the news story was to create the illusion of a reference, but Aaron didn't realize this until after the story came out! We don't know what Alan knew, or when he knew it, because he's such a liar. :sm1132:

[10x]

King what was the question?

As for "Kischkel sent me the stone unsolicited with a brief, hand-written request that has been satisfied;"

I dont see it that way, I do not see fraud on your part eitgher. I do see might be a cival case due to discepency of order to what was recived, Thus only goin by the written part, and not what ever phone conversations you to may or may not have had.

I also find it interesting you did not require a deposit on a custom item prior to making it, and or having it made. Normal in the cutom setting sytem.

Your setting method sucks and is invalid as a completed item. Hell even a twenty buck stone gets better treatment than you did on the setting. To glue in a 500 buck stone tells me inexperiance, as well as the whole mess on this as well as the other items. Sorry you had this happen to you. Hope you do better in times to come.

[agentorange]

Your setting method sucks and is invalid as a completed item. Hell even a twenty buck stone gets better treatment than you did on the setting. To glue in a 500 buck stone tells me inexperiance, as well as the whole mess on this as well as the other items.


Hey, stupid, he never said he glued the stone into the setting. He didn't answer your question. You've made enough wild, outrageous statements the past few months, some of them about me, and frankly I think you suck. Shooooooo.

[10x]

ROTFLMAO at Base. Fool go look at the pics of the ring. The setting reduces the value of the item to poor quality value. Its easy to see its glued in.

[rossshow]

Roy? Why am I not surprized that you're missing the point of this thread? This thread is NOT about art, or artistry, or quality.

THIS thread is about Nuke claiming to be one thing, when he is not that thing.

This thread is about Nuke, the liar. This thread is about Chops defending the lies.

PLEASE, Roy, I insist you stay on topic.

[rossshow]

The more days that pass without Nuke providing proof of his claimed certifications, the more it looks like Texas Banjo was right.

More and more, it looks like Texas Banjo is telling the truth on a board that loves lies and liars.

[Dreaded Telemarketer]

Ross, damn me all to hell, but I thought that had been established several pages ago. It's obvious to me that I'm just not cut out to post, sniff, sob, I just don't get it, do I? I feel so used, so dirty, whiiiiiiiiiiiiine.

[Heartland]

There, there, Sid. :1hug1:

I think most everyone knows the truth about Nukedbuzzard by now. He boastfully claimed he had the certifications and experience, he was asked to show proof of those claims, and he can't do it. In a typical con man's desperation, he asks the people who requested that he show proof of his claims to show their proof. Duh.

It only makes sense if you reside in a toxic Cardump.

[Steamcleaner]

All liars are scammers, otherwise they wouldn't need to lie. Scamming isn't just about money, it's about trying to make people believe something that's not true, whether through an outright lie or a distortion of the facts, for one's own selfish purposes.

Mr Buster has posted this quote of Heartland's a few times now, so it looks like he accepts this definition of scammer, so I withdraw my statement that he is not a scammer.

:2headspin

[JavaNoire]

*Mr Buster*...SC, you're too funny. You've reminded me of a NY Times interview years ago with the singer Meatloaf. The reporter referred to him as *Mr Loaf*. I couldn't decide if it was tongue in cheek or not. The Times has never been noted for a sense of humor & it might be stuffy enough to seriously call someone Mr Loaf.

[Kandi]

Maybe he was blinded by the dashboard lights in Paradise. :1both:

[Heartland]

"Mr. Loaf" ... :1chirol_r

Let me sleep on it, baby baby....

[agentorange]

ROTFLMAO at Base. Fool go look at the pics of the ring. The setting reduces the value of the item to poor quality value. Its easy to see its glued in.


No, it does NOT, you trailer park foam-at-the-mouth wannabe know-it-all with god knows what accent. You apprently know nothing about jewelry (or anything else for that matter, so STFU), especially opals, because when it comes to freeform opals, one rarely ever bezel sets the stone with just metal. THE STONE WILL BREAK OR IT WILL BE LOOSE. Everyone I know that works with opals in this manner uses a combination of metal prongs and glue, or a silicone sealer which creates a rubber cushion for the stone. These materials have been in use with jewelry since the dawn of time. Opals are NOT THE SAME as precise cut faceted gemstones--opals are not gems, they are fucking rocks, and they while they are semi-precious, they require alot of care, alot MORE care than a diamond would. They can be busted, broken, or destroyed if mistreated, mishandled, or set in a manner in which you suggest is a "quality" way. If possible, one would set a stone with just metal, but when you get it in the setting, and there's the slightest movement, you have to decide whether to risk wrecking the opal or perhaps it's not worth the misguided, uneducated ego trip to save the stone and solve the problem by applying a little bit of glue to fill the gap. That's a choice you clearly are unable to make correctly, which is why you are wasting your miserable life doing piss poor impressions of Andy Kaufman on internet message boards.

I have seen every photo of his opals that nuke has posted. They are not calibrated to any given size or shape. THEY ARE FREEFORM. He rough cuts them with a diamond saw and then puts them in a tumbler. Any idiot can see that. Alot of people do that with opals. They do that because it's less expensive and because they can make freeform jewelry out of them (wire wrapping is freeform). What you can't do is take freeform tumbled opals and set them into predesigned settings--IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. When you set 10x12mm emeralds, you require each god damn emerald to be 10x12mm. There is no allowance for error there, because that's the size setting you have to put them in, and that's the size you've advertised to customers. One either does freeform jewelry or they do set sized calibrated jewelry--you don't do both, and you can't mix and match them both, and you sure as shit don't go sticking some oblong ally rock into a prefixed setting and "hope it fits", unless you use ALOT OF DAMN GLUE!

[The Kings Noyse]

When I cut these stones it’s from the heart so to speak. Chops knows a bit about that because I’ll give certain stones a name and talk about them as if they were alive which to me they are.
Well, that's not nearly as loopy as it sounds.

I mean, you know, I sometimes name rocks too. http://pixpax.com/Images/econs/crazy2.gif

Like this little thunderdome: http://pixpax.com/phat/IMG_0884.jpg

I call him Moby Dick.

He's gonna look PHAT settin' behind that stylin' 10 FOOT bezel!

(in case you were wounderig, roy) lol

[agentorange]

In a typical con man's desperation, he asks the people who requested that he show proof of his claims to show their proof. Duh.



One does not prove, nor can one prove, nor should one attempt to prove, a negative. That is the basis for the American judicial system. When one is charged with a crime, they needn't prove they didn't do it, the burden is on the prosecution to prove that they did. In nuke's case, he's made accusations (against himself) that he is this, that he is that, that he is a GIA, GG, CC, PHD, MBA, DD fuckin' C. We normally cannot prove that he isn't, the burden of proof is on himself. I did link to the GIA website which keeps an online database of all graduates though, and you can search his name, and you will find NO RECORD OF HIS HAVING ATTENDED (much less, graduated). In this rare example, we can prove a negative. We can indeed prove that nuke does not have the GIA certification he accuses himself of having. But, this is all in seriously warped reverse order. It's up to him to prove he has it, not anyone else to prove he doesn't. He makes these claims as a means to gain respect and business. He doesn't make these claims in a casual conversation where verification wouldn't matter. When someone presents themselves to be a professional for the purposes of garnering sales, contracts, business agreements, or respect in a field, one is REQUIRED TO PROVE THOSE CREDENTIALS. There is no other way to see this. This isn't the same thing as when some nutjob happens upon a random message board and claims they are a doctor, just for kicks. No, this is not the same, not at all. Nuke has plastered his false credentials all over the internet, with thousands of haughty, pompous posts, using those credentials to slay his opponents, garner sales, achieve unfounded respect, and to net himself business partnerships that never would have have gotten off the ground had he not lied about his education and certification(s). As with most of the stalkers on that stalker board, his criminal record is vast, and it should be even vaster, and it will be, when the various actions against him and his accomplices are realized. People have had enough. I have no doubt in my mind that he has no concept of that being true.

[agentorange]

ROY, LOL at your signature, I want to comment on it:



This post is not intended to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate, or place under surveillance with the intent to kill, injure, harass, or intimidate, or to cause substantial emotional harm.



I'm just curious, if this means that your posts are intended to cause moderate or minimal emotional harm? You need to rework the thing to cover all your bases. I'm Denny Crane.

[The Kings Noyse]

Nuke has plastered his false credentials all over the internet, with thousands of haughty, pompous posts, using those credentials to slay his opponents, garner sales, achieve unfounded respect, and to net himself business partnerships that never would have have gotten off the ground had he not lied about his education and certification(s).
That's exactly right. Kishkel's manufactured credentials, experience, and expertise were just fraudulent representations, pure pretense intended to defraud people of money, labor, and property.

At the time he was ordering the ring from me, he was being evicted from his apartment for not having paid rent for more than half a year. This resulted in a $5000 judgment recorded in early December. Before that, his former employer had to change the locks (couldn't get rid of the leech) after terminating him for "credit card fraud, embezzlement, and misrepresentation." (That's one helluva job reference). In fact, I haven't been able to find anyone that has given Kischkel money or property he hasn't ripped off. I don't believe Kishkel had any intention or even the ability to pay me for the ring he ordered. He figured he could convince me to send it without payment, and it's self-evident how that would have turned out. He couldn't steal it, so now he doesn't like it. :1bonk1:

[Cyber Diva]

Actor Alan Polonsky's testimonial.. :1evil2:

“I am wearing a Karl Kischkel “Stone of Fire” original, handcrafted, wire-wrapped opal (with a chain supplied by Boji). I wear it to bed, I wear it at the gym, I wear it in the shower; it never leaves my neck. I had never worn jewelry before in my life, and I had no desire to wear any, but I love this piece. Everyone who sees it admires it. :1bonk1: Nuke is a talented artist……”

http://tinypic.com/mab23k.jpg

12-16-2005, 05:58 PM
Stone of Fire
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In the middle of nowhere.

I’m done communicating with them and all correspondences/actions will be handled by my attorney. [ who will be posting important message on my Ouija board until futher notice...lol ]! As far as my making certain documents public is concerned, it’s my perogative and it’s been discussed with Alan who has been given the authority to post whatever documents he may have concerning SoF. [for starters, how about posting your resumé ] … :sm1132:

[10x]

LOL Base you still know nothing about setting.

Ross has asked me to keep it on supject so:

It is such that Nuke may or may not have the papers he has said to have . I can not say if he does or does not. The complication of that if he does not, then problems may occur in the buisness arangments that went sour. In other words the web site, ect.

Note the ring is a seperate isue altogether as it was a contract to make a ring to mount the stone. Ross is right it is a seperate issue.

[rossshow]

When someone presents themselves to be a professional for the purposes of garnering sales, contracts, business agreements, or respect in a field, one is REQUIRED TO PROVE THOSE CREDENTIALS



Winner winner chicken dinner.

[The Kings Noyse]

LOL Base you still know nothing about setting.
And yet, he appears to know infinitely more than you.

http://pixpax.com/phat/IMG_0884.jpg

[10x]

Got a shot from the top?

[rossshow]

Chops still can not see the truth that has been posted here, at the truth loving board, THE ROSS SHOW:

When someone presents themselves to be a professional for the purposes of garnering sales, contracts, business agreements, or respect in a field, one is REQUIRED TO PROVE THOSE CREDENTIALS

Winner winner chicken dinner.


No. HE can't see that truth, because his mind is clouded by his own lies:


So, how about it, Jerry? Are you going to present any evidence to support your allegations against Karl?


The REAL question, the question that brings the truth to the forefront, is: is KARL going to present any evidence to support his claims of certification? Why is THAT question being ingnored at the Cock Wash? Why isn't KArl just STEPPING UP and proving us all to be liars?

Why? Because Karl and Alan are the biggest liars ever seen by the OAI.

Just step up, Karl: Show us all, show the board world, show us your certifications.

[rossshow]

thar she blows

That is NOT a calibrated stone.

[Heartland]

Is that the stone Nuke is claiming to be calibrated?

[tekobari]

I know I could look this up on google and appear to be less stupid, but I'd like to know from you guys what a calibrated stone is. And what's the difference between that and a calibrated one? Can you tell at a glance? Or are certain stones always uncalibrated?

[zeldas]

I once did a website for a board certified gemologist, and stone cutter.
On his about us page,I showed he was a Graduate Gemologist, and has continued his education.


It is not uncommon for anyone to ask,
"May I have a copy of your professional profile?"

[tekobari]

And what's the difference between that and a calibrated one? Of course, I meant UNcalibrated.

[zeldas]

I know I could look this up on google and appear to be less stupid, but I'd like to know from you guys what a calibrated stone is. And what's the difference between that and a calibrated one? Can you tell at a glance? Or are certain stones always uncalibrated?

All I know from my own business is that calibrated stones are common cut sizes of gemstones, that will fit most standard size settings.

Uncalibrated would be more of a odd size,they have to be cut to a specific size. Usually a artist cutter, will have to make the mount to fit the stone.

[agentorange]

TEK, it's the difference between ordering 100 standard size settings from a wholesaler to fit the calibrated stones one is buying from another wholesaler, to custom fitting each setting to one of nuke's non calibrated tumbled creations. Apparently, the agreement was for nuke to cut stones to a specific size to fit settings Aaron had. I believe cutting stones that precise requires equipment nuke doesn't even possess.

[rossshow]

I believe cutting stones that precise requires equipment nuke doesn't even possess.

And, he doesn't possess the required training. Or the required certifications. Or does he? The Ross Show wants to KNOW THE TRUTH. We love the Truth at The Ross Show

[JavaNoire]

Tek, calibrated stones are cut to very specific (common) sizes which can then be easily matched to settings made for gems of a particular size.

Brandon, opals are amorphous rather than crystalline, but they *are* gems, precious gems, albeit less expensive than diamonds, emeralds, rubies or sapphires of similar quality.

[agentorange]

precious gems
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, they are semi-precious!

[0uthouse Cleaner]

We love the truth, and THEY hate the truth.

We do not hate the truth. What we do know is we will not get the truth from you Ross.

[rossshow]

We do not hate the truth. What we do know is we will not get the truth from you Ross.




Bullshit, OC, and this thread is proof of it. We LOVE the truth at The Ross Show, and Carwashers HATE the truth.

ASK Nuke, ask him about his certifications.

[la gazza ladra]

I can vouch for nuke on two of his certifications:


>mullet wearing


>pick up parts as used in rural landscaping

[azlynn]

We do not hate the truth. What we do know is we will not get the truth from you Ross.

OC

What do you know about the truth?

Nothing, that is what.

You said that you would not be posting at TCW if you had proof that they tried to shut the Deli down. You saw the proof, and changed your story to how you were just happy it was not shut down.

You call the Deli a bashing board, yet you post at a board that does nothing but bash people.

You said you were NEVER even going to read this board anymore, yet here you are posting.

Truth escapes you, as much as reality does.

[0uthouse Cleaner]

I was the one who said the Deli wasn't a bashing board. I am at TCW because I like the people.

Yes I know I keep reading this board.

[rossshow]

I am at TCW because I like the people.

Harrassers.
Stalkers.
Net Cops.

A board that loves lies and liars.

You like those people?

[rossshow]

Ask Nuke, OC. Ask him.

[Heartland]

Nuke made the claim that he has gemology certifications and degrees. Nuke could not prove his claim when requested to do so for business purposes. Nuke lied. Nuke misrepresented his qualifications. Nuke is a scammer. Nuke ALL Scammers ... especially ones with mullets.

[rossshow]

Truth makes the best gossip!

[ADMIRAL]

0C,

You're a :1liar2: and :1fuck1:

[Powerhouse]

Yes I know I keep reading this board.

Even though you swore not to. Cripes, you're getting to need it as bad as Hep. :sm1132:

[rossshow]

The Ross Show, Truth Loving Board!

Here's the TRUTH about Nuke:


You certainly have a way of spinning the truth, but the fact of the matter is that I’m not the one going around everywhere telling folks of qualification and degrees which don’t exist. You seem to have forgotten that you have stated over and over again that you have credentials from the GIA.

When I questioned you and challenged you, Karl, you simply went ballistic. The only song and dance routine being performed is by you. Instead of admitting you do not have any certifications and/or degrees from the GIA, you have skirted the truth and have somehow convinced yourself that if you get enough people here on the Carwash to jump on your integrity bandwagon because of your persona of Nuke-All-Scammers, then you win this little war with me, a war that you seem to have forgotten you started by blasting my name in your own personal “blast Texas Banjo” thread.

I’m not letting you off the hook, Karl. It would have been much easier for you simply to have admitted to the world that you don’t have any official credentials in gemnology, but somehow you have entered into your own fantasyland thinking that if you tell your lies often enough and loud enough, and to enough people, they will believe you, and all the while calling me the liar. Like I said, I’m not letting you off the hook.

I have received official confirmation from the Supervisor of Education Records from the Gemological Institute of America that you were enrolled in a Distance Education Diamonds Program #41 from April 23, 1990 to November
30, 1991, but that you did NOT complete the course.

In addition, I also received official confirmation that you, Mr. Kischkel, did NOT receive any certificates or diplomas from the Gemological Institute of America. Therefore, it is obvious that your claims to the Jewelry and Gemstones Board at eBay, and your additional claims to me on the phone the last time we talked were a complete and intentional fabrication of lies which have been repeated over and over again.

It simply amazes me that you have the audacity to “call me out”, Nuke, while you do not have the integrity or guts to stop being something you aren’t. No, it is you that owes me an apology, and everyone on the Carwash site. You lied to them. You lied to me. You lied to Dennis. And if that’s not enough you may also be informed that the Supervisor of Education Records of the GIA has forwarded my letter of inquiry, the verification request, and the eBay discussion thread to their own legal department.

[JavaNoire]

No offense, Tex(really) but I've nailed your ass on this one...& you can't wheedle or weasel your way out of it either. Just try...

On TCW you stated that you wish you had a buck for every time Nuke's threatened someone with legal action. Sheeeeesh. IF I had a nickel for every hundred times he's threatened legal action (always at the TOP of his cyber-lungs!) I could happily retire. IF I had a nickel for that, & a lead penny for every lie Nuke's told, I'd be Wildly Wantonly Luridly richRichRICH. Yes! R*I*C*H.

But noooooo. $5 million, $10 million isn't enough for you, Tex. You've just gotta get richer than Gates on pore Nuke's leetle (a*hem)lies I mean untruths. No, make that fabrications. Well just call em, ummm fantasies...mmmYes, that's it...Creative leaps of a fertile imagination.

[mouthymouse]

:1rotfl1: :1clap: :1rotfl2: :1rotfl2: :1rotfl2: :1rotflmao




Okay, maybe it wasn't THAT funny :cool:

[Heartland]

What I find astounding about this entire hullabaloo is that Nuke has absolutely no inkling that, with ever single post he makes, he only makes himself look more dishonest and more foolish. Every time he calls someone out, or posts someone's e-mails, or makes puffed-up claims, he only succeeds at digging himself in deeper and deeper and showing the world what a scammer he is. Yet he has the gall to call honest, law-abiding people "miscreants" and "malcontents." What a joke Nuke is.

He apparently thought that people would be silenced by his laughable tough-guy persona, when in reality his uncontrolled cursing, temper tantrums, and impotent threats only served to cause people to dig a little deeper to verify Nuke's absurd claims. We knew the truth of the matter already, but now Tex has provided irrefutable evidence.

Nuke is a scammer. Nuke ALL Scammers ... right? The Car Wash harbors scammers. If Chops has an iota of integrity left in his bones, which I doubt, he will disentangle himself from Nuke the Ebay Scammer immediately. Otherwise, he only proves that his claims to work toward a safe trading environment for eBay buyers is also a scam and a front for his own and his members' criminal misdeeds.

[agentorange]

It suddenly got quiet. They must all be on the phone; damage control.

[Cyber Diva]

Observations.....

....Nuke is a scammer. Nuke ALL Scammers ... right? The Car Wash harbors scammers. If Chops has an iota of integrity left in his bones, which I doubt, he will disentangle himself from Nuke the Ebay Scammer immediately. Otherwise, he only proves that his claims to work toward a safe trading environment for eBay buyers is also a scam and a front for his own and his members' criminal misdeeds.

Kay doesn't see a problem...


Leaving aside my initial reaction of "WTF does what happened have to do with Texas Banjo?...... Let me see if I have things straight...... Karl has been producing some fabulous looking opal jewelry for a while now (whether he actually passed an exam in doing so or not seems moot to me, the stuff he produces is gorgeous) :1bonk1: ..

One brings religion into it as if religion's to blame.... :2gamecock


In any event, I find it hard to believe that what you did was "Christian" in any way, shape or form. Lord knows Nuke and I have had our disagreements in the past, and I'm sure we will continue to disagree, but the fact remains that what you did was just flat out wrong.

Then Stone of Fire... :2headspin

Jerry does the same thing in real life with his friends and even his pastor. Jerry has a lot of gall and I'm sick of his self righteous, religious hypocracy. With him it truly is do what I say and not what I do. I've seen this version of "Christianity" before and it's sickening.

The man with a front.... points the finger somewhere else... :1dig:

I've seen his work and am wearing a sample of it now. Its quality is self-evident. For your sake, I hope you have some proof to support your allegation that he is perpetrating a con and has conned people before; otherwise, your statement is libelous. ... Do you have proof of that? How do you know that?... That's a lie, Jerry. I asked you if you have proof. I've seen none.

A voice of reason wasted on deaf ears....


Yes, when a person puts "DDS" beside his name and claims to be a dentist when not earning the designation, he is a scammer and engaging in a scam. And when Nuke places a GD, GC GIA beside his name without earning the designations, is he not also is a scammer and engaging in a scam?

Pretending to give a hoot....

If indeed he has claimed credentials that he does not possess, that would be dishonest and it might be evidence that he is engaged in a scam. I've seen no proof that he does not possess the credentials he claims. Can you produce such proof? Since you've repeatedly alleged that Nuke is a scammer who has presented false credentials, you'd better be able to prove it.

Sandy gets it...

Otherwise, he only proves that his claims to work toward a safe trading environment for eBay buyers is also a scam and a front for his own and his members' criminal misdeeds.

:1kool1-ai

[azlynn]

Well someone thinks that the GIA would not release such information, unless under false pretense such as claiming to be an employer. But it is fact that they will release such information, especially when someone is claiming to have such credentials as a seller.

[10x]

Yes the GIA will release such information, as will any school that can be shown proof of some one claiming to have qualifications from them.

Note: giving any more than yes or no may be such that they crossed a line of the privacy of the individual.

[rossshow]

more truth

On the GIA site one can download the “Education Verification Request” Form. It states: “It is the GIA’s policy to release the following directory information to anyone who requests it: Student’s Name, Fields of Study, Dates of Enrollment, Diplomas and Certificates and Dates Conferred, Academic honors and Awards Received. This information is released to compliance with the US Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act.”

I happen to qualify as an “anyone who requests it.”

I requested. The GIA released the information requested.

If you are so concerned about someone being in violation, then perhaps you should be more concerned with Nuke, who has repeatedly maintained his certifications with the GIA. Perhaps this is the very reason why certain documents pertaining to Nuke’s claims are being forwarded to their own legal department for investigation?

Accusing me of having illegally obtained this information is a stretch of your own imagination.

[rossshow]

!!!!!!


If you are so concerned about someone being in violation, then perhaps you should be more concerned with Nuke, who has repeatedly maintained his certifications with the GIA. Perhaps this is the very reason why certain documents pertaining to Nuke’s claims are being forwarded to their own legal department for investigation?

[10x]

If true Ross this could cause Nuke some problems.

[azlynn]

If true Ross this could cause Nuke some problems.

Yes, it could.

[Heartland]

LOL Roy! Duh!

:2slampan:

Did anyone expect that the Dumpers would value honor and integrity over lies and misrepresentation? To accuse Tex of obtaining the information illegally, after those people have gone into other people's personal lives and looked for any tidbit of information they could obtain, legally OR NOT, to use against them, just goes to show what caliber of human being resides at the Dump.

[rossshow]

More truth:

This is the “Education Verification Request” Form at their site located at http://www.gia.edu/pdfs/EducationVerificationForm.pdf (http://www.gia.edu/pdfs/EducationVerificationForm.pdf)

Do you see a place on the form where one must state a REASON for requesting?

[rossshow]

More and more truth. Karl's going to be in hot water!

I would think the REASON for requesting would be OBVIOUS. After all, it clearly states the form as being a "Education Verification Request".

In English, I was verifying if Karl's certifications, which would have had to have been EARNED via EDUCATION. Right?

This isn't rocket science.

[Renegade Poster]

Lol, sounds as if they are having to be drug kicking and screaming to the truth, as always.

[Cyber Diva]

More and more truth. Karl's going to be in hot water!

Memories...



As anticipated. All of Jerry’s posturing was nothing more than a smoke screen. He said he would be more than willing to have a public discussion if it came to that but alas he’s been proven a liar (again) and now a coward. ... I told you this would happen you liar and backstabber.. Let’s see how bold you are when everyone is watching.

Here’s a clip from a previous email (Jan 11th) where he makes his poorly planned attempt at making a power play.


Calling MY bluff? You are delusional my friend. This discussion is being made in private between you and I at the present. To my knowledge, no one else is present or knows about what we are discussing. But the fact is that I have stated that I will make a public apology to any board you want when you provide the proof of your credentials. It is my personal opinion and conviction that you will never do so because you cannot do so. I’m not worried in the least I would have to make an apology to you, but you are terrified of the fact that if this subject becomes public that you will be made to explain yourself.

The fact is Jerry is nothing more than a cowardly, meddling, busybody and once the thread is all about him he chooses to hide his head in the sand. Too bad his ass is out there in the wind. :1bonk1:

[Heartland]

This just goes to show you ... never let a boardie talk you into letting him stay in your home and be supported by you when he's down on his luck. How wonderfully gracious of Nuke to talk to Tex the way he has, after Tex completely supported his loser ass for two months.

Why didn't he just tell the truth? He instead turned vicious on someone who went above and beyond to help him, purely out of the goodness of his heart. Nuke has a very strange way of showing his gratitude, I'd say.

Of course, Tex should have had an inkling of what was to come -- Nuke had already done the same to Ichi, after being supported by Ichi for four or five months in the same manner.

I've heard from two other people who said Nuke begged to come stay with them and they turned him down. It's a fact that when Nuke turns on someone, out comes every single personal secret he ever knew about that person, including contact info. Many of the Dumpers know all of this, except for the newest member(s) ... yet they still are trying to stand up for the con artist? What are they afraid of? What does Nuke have on them? It must be something so bad that they are willing to throw their own integrity and reputation right out the window. Tsk tsk.

[agentorange]

Sandy, I don't know if you've read over there in a while, but many members there are posting full and complete names, as well as partial addresses of their victims. They seem to do it when they are rejected, or enraged at a perceived slight or some post made by their victim that sets them off (all on other boards where they are not welcome, mind you!) Notice that when texas left the cardump, he was required by them to never post again. He failed to adhere to proper procedure and therefore his full name was put into the title of a thread. Everytime he makes a post somewhere, nuke will like clockwork post additional personal information about him. They do this everybody.

[Heartland]

Yes, I know they're doing that now. What I'm saying is that they will have it done to them if they get on Nuke's bad side (or most anyone on that board, for that matter). It's his standard m.o.

I can't believe what a house of cards that place is. All it would take is one disgruntled member to bring it all down. They know this, so they have to pretend to believe in the con man. To turn on him would be risking their own necks.

[rossshow]

Wow! Chops has FINALLY come to his senses (too little too late)

Here's what Chops says, now:


If your account of your correspondence with the GIA is accurate, it would certainly appear that Nuke has some major 'splainin' to do.


LOL! The Ross Show truth board has forced his hand, by keeping this issue in the news!

[agentorange]

Ross, nuke is expendable. Alan and he had a falling out over a year ago, whereby Alan relentlessly bashed nuke on the ezboard version of the cardump, and Nuke raided various chats on other boards, spreading Alan's contact information (including phone number) around. It really doesn't matter who sides with either one, they're all disgusting. It's like when Hitler declared war on Stalin. Yeah, a guy who gassed 6 million people is declaring war on a man who committed genocide against 2 million people. Stalin is clearly the better man, eh?

[rossshow]

More truth:


I have some better questions for you, chops. Why did you support Nuke as a scammer knowing full well of his LACK of credentials? Why did you turn a blind eye and NEVER ONCE even have the GUTS to ask HIM to support his claim in this thread? And why did you allow Nuke to start this thread in the first place spreading my full name over its title, when you have over and over again supposedly supported the position that full names of people shouldn’t be displayed and contact information shouldn't be posted?

Denounce Nuke as a scammer without proof? Evidence and proof was EVERYWHERE. One had to be blind NOT to see it. I knew Nuke didn’t have the credentials he’s acclaimed to have had. Anyone with any common sense can attest to that. Even his former employer was so mad about the fact that he couldn’t perform many simple tasks in the jewelry business, simple skills one would have expected from someone claiming to have the credentials to do so. Like I said before, chops, this ISN’T rocket science. But if you are happy wearing that prized opal around your neck and are convinced that what you are wearing is a calibrated precious example of the highest skills in the jewelry business, then so be it. I suppose you believe Karl’s claim from his infamous newspaper article of his ability to cast pure gold into a quality ring, too, right? Frankly, Nuke’s arrogance and your support of his arrogance made me pursue official written confirmation of something that should have been very evident to ANYONE with open eyes.

Now for the answering of your question to me. First of all, this thread isn’t about the Hastings. It’s about Nuke’s integrity and his main hope of bolstering his own image by defacing mine. It was started by Nuke in an attempt to question MY integrity. His very first post was started quite some time after me not posting to this board and quite some time after our private conversations had ended, private conversations in which I tried in earnest to get Nuke to stop his charades of being something he isn’t and to stop claiming to have certain credentials that he doesn’t.

But somehow all my questioning of his qualifications drove him to think that I was his enemy. I’m not his enemy. He is his own worst enemy because he has this burning desire to impress everyone with his qualifications, experiences, and credentials. No one can have a conversation with Nuke in which he doesn’t interject some comment that he, too, has experiences in the subject being discussed. He reminds me of that old statement, “Whatever you can do, I can do better!”

But you, chops, kept trying to derail this thread into a Hastings thread. It has nothing to do with the Hastings, but if you feel they are criminals, then by all means start your own thread focusing specifically upon your contention that they are criminals with regard to the incidents surrounding their involvement in the activities of the Carwash site that was closed.

Then un-ban the Hastings from posting here and let them have their say while you have yours.

In the meantime, I’ve received confirmation from the GIA that Nuke has misrepresented his credentials, and I am waiting for an official public apology from him. Should I hold my breath, Nuke, or do you have the guts to admit in public you misrepresented yourself?

[azlynn]

And why did you allow Nuke to start this thread in the first place spreading my full name over its title, when you have over and over again supposedly supported the position that full names of people shouldn’t be displayed and contact information shouldn't be posted?

Since when does Chops feel this way? He only feels that way when it is HIS full name and contact info that is posted, he could care less if anyone else has theirs posted to his board, and even posts full names and contact info on the board himself.

Should I hold my breath, Nuke, or do you have the guts to admit in public you misrepresented yourself?

Does Tex like the color blue? Because if he holds his breath that is what color he will turn before Nuke apologizes.

[Cyber Diva]

Since when does Chops feel this way? He only feels that way when it is HIS full name and contact info that is posted, he could care less if anyone else has theirs posted to his board, and even posts full names and contact info on the board himself.

Does Tex like the color blue? Because if he holds his breath that is what color he will turn before Nuke apologizes.

"Does Tex like the color blue?" LOL Az!

I've noticed that Alan puts my first and last name into nearly every one of his posts hoping Google will pick up and spreads his libel for him. He's so obvious. I haven't spoken to Alan since November 18, 2005, and he's still thinking and posting about me. Alan, if you're reading this (as if!) please, get on with your life! :1evil2:

[azlynn]

Diva

The other day my full name, first, middle, last and maiden, were posted by Alan on his board, along with the city and state I live in. So like I said earlier, the only name and contact info he does not like to see posted is his own.

[Cyber Diva]

Sandy, I don't know if you've read over there in a while, but many members there are posting full and complete names, as well as partial addresses of their victims. They seem to do it when they are rejected, or enraged at a perceived slight or some post made by their victim that sets them off (all on other boards where they are not welcome, mind you!) Notice that when texas left the cardump, he was required by them to never post again. He failed to adhere to proper procedure and therefore his full name was put into the title of a thread. Everytime he makes a post somewhere, nuke will like clockwork post additional personal information about him. They do this everybody.

They posted Texas Banjo's last name because they were hoping Texas Banjo would just go away after seeing his last name up in libel lights like that.

:2slampan:

[Cyber Diva]

Diva

The other day my full name, first, middle, last and maiden, were posted by Alan on his board, along with the city and state I live in. So like I said earlier, the only name and contact info he does not like to see posted is his own.

Azlynn, you are correct. :1cryhard:

[Roidoulis]

Choppo lies and spins and lies and spins and lies and spins and lies and spins in response to Jerry over on the dump...:1JerryJer


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
I have some better questions for you, chops. Why did you support Nuke as a scammer knowing full well of his LACK of credentials?

Your unChristian arrogance is breathtaking. I've never supported a person I knew to be a scammer, and I never would. Where the fuck do you get off, Jerry, declaring that I knew that Nuke did not possess the credentials which he has claimed? I knew no such thing. I still don't. I've read your allegation, but I've yet to see the proof of it. You've added an account of some correspondence you allegedly had with the GIA -- are you so arrogant as to suggest that I should take that account as proof? Why haven't you posted a copy of the correspondence at least?

Let me also remind you that none of us have yet heard from Nuke in reply. I don't believe he has been online since you first posted yesterday, nor have I spoken with him, so I doubt that he is yet aware of this development. I want to hear what he has to say.

I have said that if Nuke misrepresented his credentials, he acted dishonestly. I'll say it again. If your account turns out to be true, then what Nuke told me was a lie.

Why are you so afraid to stand up and say that your friends the Hastings are thieves, when you saw them steal?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
Why did you turn a blind eye and NEVER ONCE even have the GUTS to ask HIM to support his claim in this thread?

Jerry, will you take a look at yourself, you godless hypocrite? You called the man a scammer and a con-man. You declared that since he had not produced the credentials demanded of him by his enemies, that meant he did not possess them. That was a fraudulent argument and a wicked accusation on your part. The accused has no obligation to prove his innocence, especially not to those whose purpose is to denigrate him and to take the spotlight off themselves and their heinous criminal conduct. All of your animus towards Karl springs from your anger at him for having yelled at you over the phone. This is not about righteousness for you, Jerry; if it were, you would have denounced the Hastings for their crimes.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
And why did you allow Nuke to start this thread in the first place spreading my full name over its title, when you have over and over again supposedly supported the position that full names of people shouldn’t be displayed and contact information shouldn't be posted?

Karl did not consult me about this thread before starting it. If he had posted your contact info, I would have deleted it. As for his use of your full name, he has explained why he did that.

This game has gotten uglier since Ross Wright invited Lee Baltzer and his teenage accomplice to TRB and allowed my full name to be posted there, together with a link to a harassment webpage containing my home address. He even re-posted the link himself! Not one person over there objected to that, and the violations of my privacy and that of other Carwashers have continued at the Dross Hole and at other sites where Baltzer and Hastings post ever since.

When Cartbaby began a thread in which he mocked me by posting my full name, Ross allowed it to stand -- and even now, I believe that it can be found in the archives he imported from EZboard.

In the past, I was always staunchly opposed to the posting of other posters' full names -- I deleted references to Magpie's first and last name and her husband's surname from EZ TCW when she asked me to, even after DeMello had told her they were permitted. My stance on this subject now has changed somewhat. I will fight fire with fire up to a point. If you ally yourself with harassers and criminals like Baltzer and Hastings, people who have published contact info of Carwash members, you will no longer be protected from having your name and city of residence published on this board.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
Denounce Nuke as a scammer without proof? Evidence and proof was EVERYWHERE. One had to be blind NOT to see it.

So, what else you got? I've seen nothing but unsupported allegations from dubious sources.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
I knew Nuke didn’t have the credentials he’s acclaimed to have had. Anyone with any common sense can attest to that.

You knew nothing; you surmised.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
Even his former employer was so mad about the fact that he couldn’t perform many simple tasks in the jewelry business, simple skills one would have expected from someone claiming to have the credentials to do so.

Where did you come by this knowledge?


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
Like I said before, chops, this ISN’T rocket science. But if you are happy wearing that prized opal around your neck and are convinced that what you are wearing is a calibrated precious example of the highest skills in the jewelry business, then so be it.

Jerry, you ignorant ass, I am not wearing a calibrated stone; I am wearing a handmade, one-of-a-kind piece which I happen to find beautiful, and I am not alone in finding it so -- it draws plenty of comment, including praise from a friend of mine who knows opals, who said it's worth more than the price Karl had quoted for it.

Karl does not need to be GIA-certified to cut opals, nor was the question of his GIA certification ever raised during the conversations I had with Karl and Aaron regarding the establishment of our partnership.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
I suppose you believe Karl’s claim from his infamous newspaper article of his ability to cast pure gold into a quality ring, too, right? Frankly, Nuke’s arrogance and your support of his arrogance made me pursue official written confirmation of something that should have been very evident to ANYONE with open eyes.

Correction: You sought confirmation of your suspicions from the GIA. You seem to be saying that you did so out of malice, out of a desire to hurt Karl or even me(?!). You don't have to justify what you did to me -- I think you were right to contact the GIA to obtain information from the source. You were wrong to make unfounded accusations, just as you are wrong for turning a blind eye to the known criminality of Aaron and Lorraine Hastings for the sake of pursuing a personal vengeance against Karl.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
Now for the answering of your question to me. First of all, this thread isn’t about the Hastings.

The tile suggests otherwise.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
It’s about Nuke’s integrity and his main hope of bolstering his own image by defacing mine. It was started by Nuke in an attempt to question MY integrity.

He did question it, as did others. You ignored the questions, but they are legitimate questions, and they haven't gone away.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
His very first post was started quite some time after me not posting to this board and quite some time after our private conversations had ended, private conversations in which I tried in earnest to get Nuke to stop his charades of being something he isn’t and to stop claiming to have certain credentials that he doesn’t.

You also challenged him to prove he has credentials which he has never claimed.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
But somehow all my questioning of his qualifications drove him to think that I was his enemy. I’m not his enemy.

You look like his enemy to me.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
He is his own worst enemy because he has this burning desire to impress everyone with his qualifications, experiences, and credentials. No one can have a conversation with Nuke in which he doesn’t interject some comment that he, too, has experiences in the subject being discussed. He reminds me of that old statement, “Whatever you can do, I can do better!”

He has never done that to me. And if he has done it to you, is it a crime? Theft is a crime.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
But you, chops, kept trying to derail this thread into a Hastings thread. It has nothing to do with the Hastings,

Check the title.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
but if you feel they are criminals, then by all means start your own thread focusing specifically upon your contention that they are criminals with regard to the incidents surrounding their involvement in the activities of the Carwash site that was closed.

Nuke started this thread to call you out for allying yourself with the Hastings. You derailed the thread by making it about Nuke and his credentials!

Again, you are ducking the issue and betraying your lack of honesty and integrity, Jerry. You know that the Hastings stole the database of TCWL -- why are you afraid to say what you know? You were not afraid to say what you surmised about Nuke and pretend that it was knowledge.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Banjo
Then un-ban the Hastings from posting here and let them have their say while you have yours.

They are not banned from posting here, Jerry. Nobody is.

[la gazza ladra]

In the past, I was always staunchly opposed to the posting of other posters' full names -- I deleted references to Magpie's first and last name and her husband's surname from EZ TCW when she asked me to, even after DeMello had told her they were permitted. My stance on this subject now has changed somewhat. I will fight fire with fire up to a point. If you ally yourself with harassers and criminals like Baltzer and Hastings, people who have published contact info of Carwash members, you will no longer be protected from having your name and city of residence published on this board.


I haven't allied myself with any baltzers or hastings. But yet my name and my husbands' and runfayalife's family are all over your board. I realize my husband is somewhat of a public figure in that he is a musician, but that doesn't make it less offensive........or less stupid. Your stance is whatever makes it easier for you to continue defaming people and for your members to do the same. At least you are definitively chopsbuster, the la gazza puka thing is the creature that keeps doing knockoffs of my IDs and stalking me and others all over the net.......so much so, we found out who it is and where it lives.....

[agentorange]

Sounds like a game of stalk the stalker...
Identifying your stalker (name, address, etc.) is imperitive if you're going to stand a chance at stopping them. I don't think anyone on eBay should be concerned with someone else knowing who they are and where they live. Honest, law abiding citizens can have this information and not abuse it. There's a difference between obtaining a stalker's contact information for legal/law enforcement purposes and when a stalker obtains your personal information and uses it to harass, threaten, alarm, or intimidate you.

[Heartland]

Your unChristian arrogance is breathtaking. Would that be anything like the Chump's unJewish arrogance? Is arrogance not arrogance across the board? I didn't realize there were certain types of arrogance tied to people's religious beliefs, but apparently the Chump believes this to be the case. I wonder what unHindu and unBuddhist arrogance are like? It surely must be different than the unChristian kind. :rolleyes:

I've seen nothing but unsupported allegations from dubious sources. Suddenly, Tex is a "dubious source?" I've known Jerry for a pretty long time. While we've had our ups and downs, and while he may be guilty of being nosy and meddling at times, he is anything but dishonest. He has more integrity in his pinky finger than all of the Dump members combined. He always has -- that's why he is so hated by the Chump.

The accused has no obligation to prove his innocence, especially not to those whose purpose is to denigrate him and to take the spotlight off themselves and their heinous criminal conduct. Ha. Funny stuff there. Will the Chump and his buzzards ever practice what he preaches? Now Texas Banjo is a heinous criminal trying to take the spotlight off himself? Teehee. :1dig:

You declared that since he had not produced the credentials demanded of him by his enemies, that meant he did not possess them. That is exactly what the buzzards do all the time. Oy vey! That's not quite what happened in this case, though. Jerry actually requested that Nuke produce the credentials that Nuke claimed on eBay when Nuke put the acronyms for the degrees and classification behind his name.

Jerry first requested this of Nuke in a private telephone conversation. Why would Nuke be talking on the phone to his "enemy?" Nuke could not back up his own claim. Nuke decided to go public and play the victim, hoping to intimidate Jerry into dropping it. It didn't quite work out that way for Nuke. When Nuke couldn't back up his own public claim, a logical conclusion was reached by everyone ... except the buzzards.

You also challenged him to prove he has credentials which he has never claimed. Huh? Which credentials that Nuke never claimed to have, exactly, were challenged by Jerry? Did I miss something?

[agentorange]

yooohoooo, this thread is about Texas banjo.

[la gazza ladra]

yooohoooo, this thread is about Texas banjo.


oh yes, right you are........


well it looks to me as if Texas Banjo has indeed proven a negative, in that he says GIA says nuke did not complete the distance learning class to get his certification. I suppose I could inquire too, if TB did........but I believe him and I don't care really......nuke's stuff looks like crude stuff to me......I like rocks, all kinds of rocks, a rock doesn't a gemologist make........I have rocks......I have jewelry and opals, none of it looks like nuke's creations........on purpose. I don't like nuke's stuff, but there is something for everybody.......people like those big bulky brown and orange plaid couches too......

[JavaNoire]

Posting CI is damned nasty & an all around bad idea. It's surprising that Alan has taken this tactic to new lows by announcing that he now feels entitled to post the CI of people that never posted another's CI. They need only be *guilty* (in his eyes) of allying with people *he* considers harassers & criminals.

Tex's *alliance* is surpassingly weak even by Alan's oh so flexible (non)standards...Alan might as well announce that he'll post anyone's CI that he cares to for any dipshit reason he can pull from his ass.

It's pathetic to see 'em twisting & wriggling to pretend that it's Tex who's evasive, dishonest, hostile, malicious, vengeful & biased. Surely they can't be so blind. I don't believe it's possible.

AMAZING the standard of proof Alan demands now from those criticizing &/or questioning Nuke. The thread ALAN started that mercilessly bashed Nuke fell far short of the standard he's set Tex.

& WHY did Alan bash Nuke so relentlessly??? Because Alan couldn't stand Nuke until Sandy & her friends abandoned TCW. Nuke's bashing of them(& posting!) was then more than welcome & all was forgiven. Much like with Ichi...(Nuke really is a no pride ho, isn't he? No REAL dignity at all. None. Just volume & BS, bluster & bluff)

FTR, once more...posting CI is both nasty & foolish. Stopping the BS NOW would be a wise idea. I won't hold my breath.

[JavaNoire]

Sandy, would my *unAtheist* arrogance then be a Theist arrogance? Does that mean I'm a believer after all? Ha! My very arrogance will deliver me from the legions of the damned, yes?

[The Kings Noyse]

Jerry: It seems that since your bombshell made a direct hit yesterday, Alan has come out in full costume, treating everyone to the performance of his life, as he desperately tries to ignore that 8000 pound elephant standing right next to him and dropping 400 pound turds. In his impossible delusion, he actually believes he can somehow render the awful truth about Karl invisible simply by refusing to acknowledge it. Almost too painful to watch, it is, as he writhes in agony, darting here and there, dancing and prancing to and fro, juggling and twisting, trying in vain, however he might, however he may, to shift the glaring spotlight of attention away, far, far away from his own fraud and that of his little pet fraudling, Karl. “Hey everybody! Don’t look at that. Look over here! Yeah, that’s right! Watch me juggle and jiggle! No, no, never mind that! Hey! Watch me! Don’t believe your own eyes and ears. No, they’ll lie to you! Listen to what I say!”

It's pathetic. I cannot say if Alan’s always been so blatant, so utterly depraved as he is now, but what cannot be denied is that he’s been reduced to a vicious and degraded human being, a miscreant and pathological liar who feels most at home in the company of hooligans and fraudsters.

[agentorange]

When Alan said "nuke has some splainin' to do", regarding proof being provided that Nuke lied about his credentials, Alan didn't mean Nuke had to explain to him why he lied, because Alan knew the truth all along. What Nuke needs to explain to Alan is why he assured him that nobody could find out he was lying. Alan has stated many times, both privately and publicly (mostly privately), that honesty doesn't matter, and neither does integrity, but that the appearance of honesty and integrity does. Every damage control hen session he held in his private ezboard stalking forums was about just that--he instructed his minions on appearance, not on virtue.

[The Kings Noyse]

If your account of your correspondence with the GIA is accurate, it would certainly appear that Nuke has some major 'splainin' to do.
Yeah, right. That would be the part where Nuke the Scammer "splains" not why he scammed or how he's sorry, but how he managed to get himself caught, because as with any proper gang of dishonest THUGS, the only sins at TCW are talking out of school and getting caught...

And you gotta love that squirrelly, dodging language: "If your account...is accurate...it would certainly appear...Nuke has some major 'splainin' to do." Well, bravo! Why that's certainly less noncommittal than might appear, and it's even, I might say, not unlike suggesting the possibility of an embryonic concern, perhaps! With all that bobbing and weaving he's liable to hurt himself. Oh, and that burlesque allusion to Ricky and Lucy, finessing Karl's blatant and deliberate fraud into a harmless and humorous little spat between CW members, was just precious.

[tekobari]

Alan has stated many times, both privately and publicly (mostly privately), that honesty doesn't matter, and neither does integrity, but that the appearance of honesty and integrity does. Every damage control hen session he held in his private ezboard stalking forums was about just that--he instructed his minions on appearance, not on virtue.No, that's just it, base. He never said anything like that, certainly not privately, and I didn't see anything like that in public. He, privately, was all about honesty, integrity, responsibility, etc.

He conned those who trusted him.

[Cyber Diva]

If they do post here, will you share all their PMs with the members of the board? After all, they claim reading other's PMs is not wrong.

Here's a bit of a transcript for you Jayne, hope this helps clear things up for you, as it pertains to you and the carwash.....:2headspin

"It was about this time that Alan phoned me in a frantic voice to warn me about “the goonies.” When pressed for substantiation, he offered Jayne’s employment with “Homeland Security” as a warrant to quell any reasonable doubt concerning the validity or the seriousness of his information. When questioned, however, he claimed that he did not know Jayne’s last name, and that he had not ever spoken to her on the phone. He could not even prove that her real first name was ‘Jayne’ or that Jayne was, in fact, a woman. Still, he expected me simply to believe she was with the Department of Homeland Security, and thereon to believe everything she had to say about “the goonies” and their interest in our websites now being related to me through Alan. At one point, he wanted me to accept simply the “possibility” that Jayne worked for DHS, reasoning that “well, someone has to work there.” I rejected this and every other argument he presented.

At this time, I was investigating the DDoS attacks and preparing a US-CERT report concerning the incident. During the aforementioned conversations, and in subsequent calls, Alan made a series of fantastic statements, which I found to be quite unbelievable, and so it became necessary to seek the information I required through other means. Thereafter, I legally accessed the database and reviewed the recent private posts between Chopsbuster and Jayne. With that information, I was able to effectively depose Alan during our next conversation. I asked him questions that would indicate factual knowledge of the situation either beyond or in contradiction to what Alan had presented to me earlier. Alan was taken aback, asking repeatedly whether he “had told me that,” and “how did I know that?” And so on. Finally, there was a long pause, after which he exclaimed, “Oh, I know how you know this!” To which I replied, “No shit, Sherlock.” He was caught and embarrassed but had no remorse or explanation about his lying, saying only, “You set me up! Why would you do this to me?” I replied that I had a right to know with whom I am dealing, and I asked why he felt he had the right to lie to me concerning matters that so seriously affected our server and our business and that were the subject of the government US-CERT report I was preparing....." :1dig:

[rossshow]

Some silly Chops and Nuke and Banjo films:

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2804883

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2804805

[10x]

enertaining.

[Cyber Diva]

entertaining.
Okay.. I'll try to make Ross, and Roy laugh too.... here she goes........ :1clap5:

Act Your Way Out (part one)

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2756346


Act Your Way Out (part two)

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2756447

[The Kings Noyse]

Here's another one...

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2806500

[Cyber Diva]

Here's one for Lurkerlu, dear...

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2806509

[JavaNoire]

Aaron, why did you steal TCW? It was a crappy thing to do.

& why the fuck were you reading PMs? That was beyond shitty, waaaay beyond. I suspect your unconscionable snooping destroyed any credibility you *might* have had with one or 2 people.

I neither like nor trust Alan. You are considerably less trustworthy & have proven it many times over. Nuke is rapidly establishing himself as a 3rd rate scammer & serial liar. However, NONE of his misdoings alleviate your own history of slick dealings, lies, slander & bullying.

IF you believe differently you're fooling only yourself(& Diva)

[Cyber Diva]

Cut the act, java.. you're not nearly as good as Alan! :2slampan:

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2806891

[The Kings Noyse]

That's a funny flick, Diva.

Did you see this one?

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2806920

[JavaNoire]

Diva, do Aaron's transgressions bother you even a little, or are you as culpable as he is?

IF I ever felt differently, I gave you too much credit. You're generally more pleasant, true. Your irrational looniness is an easier read than his tortured bloviations. You've shown at times a flair for humor which is always appreciated. But beneath the affability you're fully his partner in sleaze, & every bit as nasty.

*blush*Slap me for a fool, I am mildly surprised. Disappointed, too

[tekobari]

FINALLY! Two people who fooled others who didn't fool me. Thank you, lord, for just this once... :1clap5:

[Heartland]

:1chirol_r Tek! :1clap5:

Those films are boring, and don't even make sense. The spelling is atrocious, too. Are you sure they weren't done by little children? Is this the kind of thing we can expect to see in the lawsuit? :rolleyes: There is a lawsuit, right?

[JavaNoire]

Allah save us, Aaron, you really do jerk off to that stuff doncha? No wonder you've archived sooo many yrs of it. Aaaah well, better that than drooling over me in LC with your oh so creepy requests

(tho' I probably *could* be persuaded to whip you like you begged me to. The problem would be stopping).

[Heartland]

:sm1132:

[JavaNoire]

Sandy, OF COURSE there's a lawsuit. Several in fact.

...I'm feeling personally violated...

Raped
Threatened
Stalked
Harassed

I gotta go read Sha or Shawn on TCW. I think my lawyer is now allowed to shoot 'em or sumthin.

**boo hoo*boo hoo**
~woe is me, oh woe~

[Cyber Diva]

:1chirol_r Tek! :1clap5:

Those films are boring, and don't even make sense. The spelling is atrocious, too. Are you sure they weren't done by little children? Is this the kind of thing we can expect to see in the lawsuit? :rolleyes: There is a lawsuit, right?

HeHeHe!! Sandy, much of the spelling and wording are direct quotes in the movie I posted... so .. yes.. it does seem like perhaps little children made them, for that reason...LOL. :1b2:

Maybe you'll like this movie better because more intelligent people have been quoted. :1kool1-ai

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2806954

[mouthymouse]

OT...........can someone please tell me what "Sha" means?

[JavaNoire]

Damn, Sandy! What memories! That was a cute chat wasn't it? Or at least a telling chat.

I had no idea relations b/w 'em were so unsatisfying. True, Diva never seemed exactly hot blooded but then Aaron seemed positively bloodless(as well as prudish) so I assumed(my bad!) they were a reasonably good match. And there Aaron was, sniffin 'round our chat, hungering for a bit more *heat*...a touch of the, ummm, exotic, working himself into a fever.

Yeahhh, that chat was a classic...

[JavaNoire]

My nephew says it a lot. At least I *think* he still says it. I got so accustomed to it that I ceased noticing it.

It's one of those generic catchphrases like saying Cool, WoW, Righteous, OhDuH or the like. It's popular with adolescents & young adults, I think. I'm indiffrent to sha. It's just a pity she's so relentlessly venomous.

[Cyber Diva]

For Sandy! A silent film by a 4th grader...lol

Enjoy!

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2806976

[JavaNoire]

Tek, I don't think they had many fooled. I can't fathom why Alan was having business dealings with em. Did he feel differently?

They've always reminded me of the blind/halt fox/cat duo from Pinocchio who convince themselves & ONLY themselves.

I was briefly discovering & enjoying another side to Diva. Despite this you won't find a word written, private or public, that said I actually trusted her. In didn't. We could safely discuss pets, movies, music but NEVER jewelry or business. A&L are, at best, slick, constantly working every angle, looking to exploit any loophole.

They're apparently not only capable of extended snooping but shamelessly comfortable in doing so. I've known murderers that disgusted me less.

[mouthymouse]

They're apparently not only capable of extended snooping but shamelessly comfortable in doing so. I've known murderers that disgusted me less.

That's a little harsh, isn't it? Over my years on the boards, I've known many people that not only archive absolutely everything, they also con people out of private emails, chats, etc. every chance they get.

It bothers me a little when I think about it......that private things I've said are shared, but it is done SO much, by so many people, you have to just get over it.

When I saw your post, the first thing that came to mind was something the Danny DeVito character said in Romancing the Stone. He said something like, "at least I'm being honest and stealing the stone, not trying to romance it out of her........"

What I appreciate about diva and the king is their "honesty" about archiving and "snooping" as you call it. They have always let it be known they archive everything and save every email. It isn't like the majority of people who "sneak" around archiving and conning people out of private stuff with the sole intent to "hurt" certain people later on.

[Heartland]

Well, I suppose the Divas will be glad to know that at least one person appreciates them for their "honesty." :1chirol_r

Gawd, this is getting surreal.

[The Kings Noyse]

That's a little harsh, isn't it? Over my years on the boards, I've known many people that not only archive absolutely everything, they also con people out of private emails, chats, etc. every chance they get.

It bothers me a little when I think about it......that private things I've said are shared, but it is done SO much, by so many people, you have to just get over it.

When I saw your post, the first thing that came to mind was something the Danny DeVito character said in Romancing the Stone. He said something like, "at least I'm being honest and stealing the stone, not trying to romance it out of her........"

What I appreciate about diva and the king is their "honesty" about archiving and "snooping" as you call it. They have always let it be known they archive everything and save every email. It isn't like the majority of people who "sneak" around archiving and conning people out of private stuff with the sole intent to "hurt" certain people later on.
Thank you, Mouse. Jacinta's always had the penchant for hyperbole, but never the skill, and this is despite years of tutelage by the grandmaster of prevarication himself, Alan. Her artless fulminations invariably come off as pretentious, self-righteous, self-serving, and pathetically insincere. But, that's the Jacinta we've all learned to know and avoid.

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2806999

[JavaNoire]

MM, they stole TCW. Whether you like Alan or not, that's what they did. They then raided (& I think posted) various members PMs. These PMs were NEVER addressed to them or even given to them by other members. Frankly, my words were not harsh enough. It was an appalling invasion of the privacy of everyone posting to the board & thoroughly contemptible.

He's already 'paid me back'(in part?) by posting my 1st name which isn't known to most or used even by those I'm friendly with. I imagine the swine will next take a swipe by posting my last name & eventually my address. BFD. He is such a bore...utterly predictable & less intimidating than an irate Chihuahua.

Honest? You jest???

[tekobari]

Java, I certainly didn't know your name, and I've sort of known you on the boards for what--three or four years? (At least two of which were somewhat cursory, I believe.) It's a beautiful name, BTW.

But when people do that, they're trying to show they have some sort of power over the person whose name they're using. As though they have inside, hush-hush information that they are privy to. It's a game as old as the hills, as roystermule would say.

[Heartland]

It was more interesting when they were all arguing about opals and threatening to sue each other. That must've fallen through (gee, I'm so surprised), if they're now stuck with making amateur cartoons in order to score points. They even gave Alan hair! He probably likes that.

[mouthymouse]

They even gave Alan hair! He probably likes that.

:1chirol_r

It's a new toupee, one of the first movies explained it.

[The Kings Noyse]

Not known? By whom? You've been plastering your name with your gratuitous posts all over the Internet for years:

http://www.epinions.com/user-labruja

http://www.epinions.com/kifm-review-1F07-71E7906-39AD9F9A-prod2

http://www.epinions.com/kifm-review-1D5B-E1B9753-398B8DF4-prod1

http://www.epinions.com/user-labruja/show_~content

Privacy didn't concern you there, so why should it concern you here? Could it be the comparative difference in your conduct? (i.e. Passably normal vs. insane stalker).

[Heartland]

Speaking of insane stalkers, who's searching out whom all over the internet for any tiny crumb they can find?

As usual, they're oblivious to the irony. :rolleyes:

[JavaNoire]

They even gave Alan hair!Yeah, I'm taller & curvier, too. How flattering!

Tek, I've long known it would come out. I'd rather theArts didn't know it, but no biggie. I'm indifferent to others knowing it so posting it really is anticlimactic. (BIG surprise there. Just *try* thinking climax & Aaron without snickering)

Bless the fool! He's dug up my posts on epinions. Gotta just love his oh so evil & yet so inept instincts. EVERYTHING on epinions is completely consistent with everything I've ever stated on ezBoards, T&S, JGW, here etc. I oughta hug the smarmy little schmuck fuck. Once again he only establishes my credibility while striving to insult me.

Note, I'm LaBruja on epinions, not Java.

[JavaNoire]

Tek, thank you for the compliment on my name.

I never used it on eBay or ez. I don't know why. Most who know it still call me Java. I very much like Java, too, so that's ok.

One person from JGW routinely calls me Jacinta in our private correspondence, but only one.

[The Kings Noyse]

As usual, they're oblivious to the irony.
Yes, good word 'irony,' and so much more dignified than hypocrisy, like the ironic Sandy questioning the honesty of others and calling everyone "liar". :sm1194:

[Cyber Diva]

This movie was done by one of our 5th graders Sandy, hope you find it more to your liking... lol

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2807027

[10x]

"Jacinta" interesting name.

And still not cool to post such. Oh well such as the board wars churn.

[JavaNoire]

YIKES! He's getting excited. I can hear his breathing from here(& damned near feel it). That must be why his comprehension skills have nosedived. Ummm, where did I express any privacy concerns over my name being posted????

Ask Rosss if I've made any complaints about it or requested that it be removed. BFD. TheArts know my name & in their oh too typical fashion think they can bully me & punish me with something so silly.

IF Aaron looks realllllly realllly hard he *might* find a board where I've posted all my naughty & oh so delicious fantasies. Tho he certainly isn't featured in any (not even as a bit player) he *might* find where I do indeed *satisfy* his fetish. Leather suits me, y'know? I'd describe the rest of what I'm wearing (or not wearing) but Aaron already lacks self control. Feeding into his adulterous (& kinky) tendencies isn't fair to Diva.

Not cool, Roy? What more would you expect from someone so unscrupulous. Hell, I'm enjoying the very public display of Aaron scavenging the world wide web trolling for my every word & thought. He'll probably start screeching that I'm stalking him. Diva will then threaten me with the Patriot Act.

[JavaNoire]

& Roy, the very term board war is obnoxious, IMO. People are dying in real wars across the planet. Board bullshit is just that. Crap, nothing but crap.

[Cyber Diva]

JavaJive:

Don't flatter yourself! I'm the one who found those little nuggets of yours on the net, and it took all but 10 minutes to do so! Nice try at deflection though.. stalker! :1apileoff

[Cyber Diva]

& Roy, the very term board war is obnoxious, IMO. People are dying in real wars across the planet. Board bullshit is just that. Crap, nothing but crap.

Yes, and that's why you come to derail every thread and make it all about javajive?! :2slampan:

[JavaNoire]

Ya see, Roy...They're combing the web for all they can find on me but I'm the stalker....Utterly predictable.

Lorraine, I turned him down. Everyone in those chats saw me turn Aaron down. There's no need to feel so threatened. I can assure you that nobody on these boards hankers for your DH no matter how many smarmy propositions he makes or what little kinks he begs for...

[Cyber Diva]

Ya see, Roy...They're combing the web for all they can find on me but I'm the stalker....Utterly predictable.

Lorraine, I turned him down. Everyone in those chats saw me turn Aaron down. There's no need to feel so threatened. I can assure you that nobody on these boards hankers for your DH no matter how many smarmy propositions he makes or what little kinks he begs for...

JavaJive, things are not always as they seem. Guess who conducted that chat, for example? :sm1194:

[JavaNoire]

Diva, you have tried, & FAILED to put several different spins on those chats. Aaron made his own lame excuses to Brandon long ago. It's too late for damage control. There were too many that witnessed his bumbling propositions & later read his llimp(yep, LIMP) excuses, I mean EXPLANATIONS.

You need to discuss his behavior with HIM, not me. His *sorted* advances were & remain unwelcome by me & by everyone but you (& I have my doubts about *you*)

[10x]

Board bullshit is just that. Crap, nothing but crap.

So true.

[tekobari]

Java, I think it was this thread where you talked about the use of CI. I hope I'm not hijacking. But I don't see any excuse for chops's posting of full names or other CI. That he's reduced to posting it, or allowing Nuke to post it, simply because he doesn't like Texas Banjo, is appalling, and a total reversal of what he's said in the past.

TB showed that nuke's self-proclaimed credentials were false. We have no reason to doubt his word, since his history, while full of shit-stirring, never included lying. He meddles and can be found wherever trouble has started. He likes to stick his nose into fights which don't pertain in any way to him. But so far, he hasn't lied. I still can't believe chops allows it on his board. Every time I turn around, chops is doing something which appears to be completely out of character.

I'm beginning to think chops behaves the way the people surrounding him expect him to. Somewhere at his core is everything a human can be. He pulls out personalities the way a magician pulls rabbits out of a hat. I can't decide if this is his character or his skills as an actor. Possibly a little of both. Most of us have less fluid selves. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. He certainly is adaptable, which is generally a good trait.

[JavaNoire]

I agree, Tek. The BS wi CI gets increasingly uglier. Alan is certainly not alone in this although he's to taking it to new lows when he permits Nuke to post TB's full name. I'm surprised that Alan or Nuke expected that to really faze Tex.

Alan mistakenly believes I think theArts are stalkers. They're malignant pests, petty criminals, ethically twisted & logic deprived. None of that makes em stalkers by any meaningful definition of the word.

The constant assertions of stalking, harassing, threats & terrorism are fucking ridiculous. Anyone that believes I ever thought differently is mistaken. My remarks about theArts are concerned with their assertions that I'm stalking them even as they scramble all over the net archiving every tidbit they can scrounge up.

Aaron, take note, I buy a TON on Amazon...Better go browse the FB there. I also buy a lot of tea online, loose & bagged. Get busy & dig up allll you can. Hurry now. Surely there's something there that will destroy my reputation & send me to jail. Ooohhh, have you found those fantasy sites yet? Better not read *that* stuff alll at once. Assuredly, I'm much, much naughtier than you'd ever dreamed, you vile silly little worm.

a*hem...
Tek, I dunno about Alan being what others expect. TBH, I never knew Alan well. I'm torn as to whether that's good or bad. The 1st time I read TCW I was so blown back by the ugliness that I never again read there until another poster encouraged me to join.

It was MBA at the time. I remained verrry torn. The worst threads had been deleted or buried which I HOPED was a harbinger of real change. I'd started reading & considered waiting til it was no longer MBA before posting but that was too fucking disingenuous...I was or wasn't willing to post there, y'know. Why be coy? Sheeesh. I was so naive I didn't know that as soon as someone posted s/he automatically became a member!

It wasn't Alan that drew me to the board. In fact it was Alan's behavior (among others) that kept me away from TCW for a loooong time. Hell, by the time she was 5 myDot knew it was wrong to ridicule others afflictions, misfortunes or personal appearance. I STILL don't understand how adults of (spozedly)mature years have so easily cast these lessons aside.

Rant over(for now)

[biondobabe]

JavaJive, things are not always as they seem. Guess who conducted that chat, for example? :sm1194:

Get to your point diva... stop playing the games.
















Ya really think you're gonna be believed? :1chirol_r

[Heartland]

Java, it was only MBA for a month while Alan pretended to be working on an acting job. The truth was that he had just been canned from eBay's boards, and wanted to lay low and pretend he was off doing important things. He was actually posting in the private forum the entire time using his "private forum ID" in case anyone was watching the post count on his regular and sockpuppet ID's.

I don't recall if that was a 30-day sanction from eBay's boards, or the final, indefinite sanction. Not that it matters one way or the other.

[agentorange]

Java, it was only MBA for a month while Alan pretended to be working on an acting job. The truth was that he had just been canned from eBay's boards, and wanted to lay low and pretend he was off doing important things. He was actually posting in the private forum the entire time using his "private forum ID" in case anyone was watching the post count on his regular and sockpuppet ID's.

I don't recall if that was a 30-day sanction from eBay's boards, or the final, indefinite sanction. Not that it matters one way or the other.

It was his 30 day sanction, and what he was doing was obvious to everybody (I hope he didn't have members of his own board fooled). At the time, he had suddenly stopped posting to the eBay boards, something he had never gone a day in his life without doing (you could search his posts to verify this). And, his desperate need to post to the boards interfered with any attempt to make his 30 day sanction appear self-imposed, because it was 30 days EXACT between his posts, almost to the exact second. And, his j-low sock puppet was merrily posting away on ezboard, while he was supposedly "busy with work". It's all a show, everything he does is to deceive people, and appearance is the only thing that counts to him, or at least it was.

[Heartland]

He actually did have some members of the board fooled. I think he only revealed his brilliant plan to three or four of us.

[tekobari]

I didn't know. I believed he was on a shoot for a film. He never told me, and this is the first time I'm hearing about it.

[Heartland]

I thought you knew, Tek. He was posting in IC that entire time that he was supposed to be gone.

[Renegade Poster]

I remember that incident pretty well. I don't recall if we (ZD) knew that Chops was posting elsewhere during that time, but we knew he was lying about the shoot and that it was a cover for his ebay suspension. He could not have been more obvious.

[JavaNoire]

Brandon I believed him. I didn't know the truth until around the time I quit TCW. I think it was *after* I quit, actually. I wasn't part of the inner circle & was never in any of the 'top secret' fora but I was a member of TCW & had posted to T&S.

I believe in coincidence, strange happenings & inexplicable occurrences. Most of all, I believe in those I trust. I wasn't close to Alan. I could never 'warm' to him, but I very much trusted & admired him. I thought he was a person of deep & abiding integrity. My only real criticisms would have been that he could be so harsh & was an absolutist.

I would have believed Tek or Sandy in identical circumstances. In fact I still would. I've found that those I trust damned near always prove trustworthy. One bad experience doesn't change that.

[10x]

Strange things one trys to do to survive in the board games.

[Steamcleaner]

At least that picture (roy.jpg) is finally gone, although it took Lee to get it removed. Whatever integrity Mr. Buster use to have, he has surely lost it.

:hazmat:

[JavaNoire]

Survival in the board games, Roy? Pffft. What eyewash. Alan's deceits had fuck all to do with *survival* on the boards. Stupid (false)pride & an overweening arrogance were the root cause, IMO.

Survival??? Bleedin Jesus, but that's absurd.

[agentorange]

Nobody should have to "survive" on the boards. Internet message boards should not be Lord of the Flies, it should not be a place where the dying, water-starved participants must seek refuge in their primal, brutal urges. We're supposed to be here to partake in any one, or combination of the following: to speak our minds, to promote our businesses, to make friends with people who share our interests, to share our life experiences with other people who share theirs, to learn more about the internet and internet-related technology, and most of all, to have fun. The obvious risks with engaging in online activity are no different than those associated with activities offline: maybe someone won't like you. Maybe, people will give you a ribbing, and maybe you'll get so angry and frustrated that you'll rant at someone or they will rant at you... We've all been through those things before, and it's to be expected, although whenever it does happen, it's usually a negative experience, and it should be, that's what life is about; the good and the bad. However, nobody signs up for an internet service and expects that within a few months they'll be emotionally destroyed, have every single piece of their contact information posted and hosted for all the world to see in worldwide search engines, or have god knows who assasinating their character, libeling them, spreading disgusting rumors about themselves, their friends, and their family--nobody expects and nobody deserves that, either online or off.

[JavaNoire]

SC, helloooo. Me & my oh so damned slooow typing. I'm not being (intentionally)rude. I didn't see you, til now, amigo.

[The Kings Noyse]

lan mistakenly believes I think theArts are stalkers. They're malignant pests, petty criminals, ethically twisted & logic deprived. None of that makes em stalkers by any meaningful definition of the word.
Cut the crap, Jacinta. Given your sordid predilections, your well-documented depravity, and the virulent malice you bear at all times towards the multitudes you despise, such pretentious, saccharine displays of sanctimonious equanimity simply are unbelievable, no laughable, except perhaps to the tiny handful of bumbling fools that still give you audience.

Why, even Alan described you as completely unprincipled and found your uncultivated, pedestrian variety of dissimulation and pretension to be embarrassing and nauseating, as so many have. Now, apply what powers of reasoning you may have and try to imagine just how offensive is the disingenuous sermonizing of such a debauched deceiver as yourself to honest and ethical persons, when the Crown Prince of Hypocrisy himself feels compelled to flee from the rank stench of your mendacity. You are the malignant pest, the foul skunk, the malicious stalker habituated to deceit and abuse, and you absolutely have no qualification to pontificate on questions of morality, or to either question or judge the character of others.

Ethically twisted? Take a look in the mirror at someone that lies as freely as she breathes and who accepts a dog as her teacher. Logically deprived? Here you have unwittingly spoken truthfully, for your long-winded, boring, and glaringly self-serving diatribes are so completely devoid of human reason, one cannot but conclude that logic has been denied, and thus one does feel deprived. No doubt, one must be trained in the subtleties and refinements of "canine wisdom" to properly appreciate the canine logic and "primal" essence of your barking discourse. :1apileoff

[Cyber Diva]

Here's the real Java in action! AND... it's not a pretty sight, it's X rated, so viewer discretion is advised!

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2808234


JavaNoire

Fucking christ, Shawn you silly bitch.

Quote:
If you think this is a joke
Shawn, it’s most decidedly not a joke. It’s pathetic. I can understand the negative attention gambit. I’ve got a dog like that, but why do you crave public ridicule & humiliation. That’s beyond kinky.That’s fuckin sick.

Frank? sighYeah, yeah, yeah…Frank this & that & what have you. Truth…Where is this hero of yours? Where, Shawn? Where the fuck is your personal paragon, mmm? Despite all the putative *harassment* you’ve suffered, the loving & concerned Frank, hasn’t so much as posted to support you. We’ll be *graced* with ever more & varied sox. That’s given. Please, Shawn, don’t be nimrod enough to pretend any of ‘em are Frank. Or have you already done that & I was fortunate enough to have missed it?

Prior to meeting you, I didn’t believe negative credibility was possible. Shawn, grab the slippery edge of reality & grip hard. Pull yourself back into *normal* orbit even if you only manage to reach the remote periphery. You’re spinning out of control so fast I get dizzy seeing it.

I’ve been *gruff* at times, but I’ve consistently shown you unbiased respect. However, I didn’t post here to pass on my (excellent)advice & insights. Noooo. I posted here b/c I must let you know. You really are something.

Shawn, you unholy bastard, you demon’s whore, you’ve put me in the untenable position of, GodSaveOurBleedingPlanet, gaspagreeing with Blues. Feel that slight lurch? Earth suffered a minor seismac shift at my admission.

I’m a perverse bitch & I am amused. I’m not pleased. Nor am I happy, but I am amused. And angry. Sad, foolish man. You’re undermining the stability of the cosmos with your wretched games.

sighYou lack control & have forfeited all credibility. The loss of your dignity is a tawdry tale too sordid to share. I have pitied you, Shawn. I haven’t much liked you, but I’ve felt very sorry for your obvious misery, your hunger to be noticed, your delusional excesses spewed across multiple boards.

That hasn’t changed. I continue to pity such a sad little moke. What *has* changed is you’re fucking with me. Actively fucking with me. I’ve noticed. I don’t like it.


:1evil2: :1evil2: :1evil2:

[JavaNoire]

& yet you were propositioning me.

I just love irony. Especially when it's got the wormy likes of you wriggling, scrambling, squirming...

Whoops! There I go getting all saccharine(again). Aaron, you're such a pesky little drone you can't help but bring out my more endearing qualities.

Now hustle up & see if you can't find my middle name, too.

Does anyone care to take bets on just how stoopid they're gonna get this time?

[agentorange]

I like java, she's a spitfire.

[JavaNoire]

Diva, we know Aaron gets HungryHornyHard reading my posts. He admitted as much in LC (more than once)...Is it mutual? Do you get wet reading me? Start breathing heavy? Moaaaannn a bit? mmm? Thighs tighten? Hips shift? Pussy squeeze & pump? Is *that* why you've saved ever bleeding word I've typed & are now trolling the net looking for even more Java original material?

Siggghhh. I oughta go professional & bill you schmoes for the pleasure I hand you.

[JavaNoire]

Now don't lie...A post back you *liked* me. I'm betting you love me 'bout now.

;)Java

[agentorange]

I'd love you if you didn't argue with me so much. Maybe I do love you, I dunno. I know I don't believe that the latest diva assault against you is acceptable, or even appropriate. Nobody is going to threaten me, or shut me up via criminal meddling, that's for damn sure. I wish the divas would get off their high horses and admit they are wrong for a change, and admit their wrongs to the people they've wronged, and it would go a long way towards making themselves believable when they post the truth.

[JavaNoire]

Pfft. If wishes were nickels we'd all be millionaires. They're beyond redemption & have been since before I knew 'em.

Their attack against me might be wrong. It's also silly & at least good for a laugh here & there. We were disgusted(& amused), offended(& amused) when Aaron invaded TCW chat with his slimy propositions. I had no idea how truly hilarious those *suggestions* would prove to be.

It's nice to think that while they're madly scrambling across the net, seeking the dirt on me, someone else is spared their unholy attentions.

I'll get bored with em pretty quickly, dammit. They strive to cut deep & draw blood, but they're incapable of inflicting so much as a (tiny)bruise.

What have we got from em????

1) I love, respect & admire dogs...(Aaron hasn't revealed it yet but I love my cats, too)

2) I've posted on epinions.

3) I've insulted Shawn.

4) Alan dislikes me.

5) I ran Alan off.

6) My name is Jacinta.

Five of the above are actually true. That's damned good for those two. Hell, it's unprecedented.

Let em have their innocent, if tawdry, pleasures overturning the net to find out all they can about me. It's kinda funny & they could be doing far worse to a much nicer (& more vulnerable) person.

[JavaNoire]

Totem on my totem(sorry, Rosss. ReallyTrulySorry)...



I'd love you if you didn't argue with me so much.Well then, I'll Stop...Just.Like.That...Promise...





'course I won't be talking to you much*sob*

[agentorange]

1) I love, respect & admire dogs...(Aaron hasn't revealed it yet but I love my cats, too)
So you hate people, is that it? PEOPLE HATING (insert curse)


2) I've posted on epinions.
YOU CROOK!!!!!

3) I've insulted Shawn.
You insulted that poor, innocent, babycake? FILTHY SCUMBAG!!

4) Alan dislikes me.

Then you must be a crook, duh.

5) I ran Alan off.
You horrible monster.

6) My name is Jacinta.
That's it, I hate your guts.

[JavaNoire]

Alas, alack, you've got me nailed, Brandon...YesYesYessss, I'm all those terrible rotten things. I am sooooo ashamed that I love my dogs but I just can't help it. I know this love & respect has doomed me to HELL yet I still love em. Woe is me....

&blush'tis true...Alan dislikes me. How cruel of you to rub my face in it.

I ran off Alan...Now something is wrong there...THAT'S Aaron's story. Alan claims he rejected me. I quit posting to TCW *before* Alan dumped me so I wasn't there for the *rejection* & will just have togiggle take his word for it.

[agentorange]

Alan just lied the following:



I never revealed any such "plan" to Boardwalker. What I told her and the "three or four" others was that I was making the board MBA because I wanted a break from posting publicly. That break lasted six weeks, not 30 days.



His break from the eBay message boards, which was the issue being discussed here, lasted exactly 30 days. Alan's "break" from public posting to the cardummy harassment board, in conjunction with his eBay sanction, is now what he is referring to when he "refutes" the truth. The foolish stalker kept his board MBA for 6 weeks instead of 30 days to prove he was actually "gone" on a work assignment and wasn't sanctioned from eBay's message boards for a period if 30 days? Apples and oranges, what the fuck do the two have to do with each other? He was gone from eBay's messages boards for 30 days because he received a 30 day sanction, followed by an indefinite sanction, which remains intact to this day.


Tek wasn't even a member of TCW at that time, so why the hell would she expect to be included in any disclosures? At no time has she ever been anything more to me than Hanna's friend, just as Java was never anything more to me than someone whom Sandy had invited to the Carwash. Sheesh!

Not according to the act you showed everyone, including them, publicly and privately. You protrayed them as dear friends, people so loved and respected that you'd do anything for them. That's how you portrayed your relationship with them. Now you admit they were nothing more than trash to you, which is what you admitted months ago on the bash board when you made the definitive declaration that you had no friends on the internet, and everyone was your puppet. You said this after the last mass exodus on your harassment board, whereby you and nuke were entirely alone, posting to yourselves. You made that statement, and it was the one and only time you've ever told the truth. You hate your current cardump members, you've already admitted it, and any friendship you portray for the masses is just an act.


To read 'em, you'd think we were a wolfpack and they were all following me, yet none were ever invited to join my private board, The Chopping Block

How many of them knew about it? Had they read my board, rumjungle, they'd have known about it, but funny how you manage to keep them from the truth for so long. So now, everyone who isn't on your chopping block auction interference "inner circle" board can consider themselves expendable, correct? Didn't you just admit that?


which I've had since a year before TCW... and when one of them (Klytem) applied, I turned her down. None of these people -- including Sandy -- were ever a part of that "inner circle", yet oh! the hurt I inflicted upon them by not taking them into my confidence!

LOL, more inner circle crap, and none of your current members, with the exception of purple puke and pilot are allowed on your choppo block auction interference board. Funny, you just said you didn't take them into your confidence, and then the next sentence you say:


Sandy, for one, has repeatedly shown that to trust her with a confidence is absolute folly.

How would you know that? Didn't you just say that they hated you because you never trusted them with a confidence? The truth is that you made the huge mistake of exposing yourself as a criminal to them and they decided they wanted nothing more to do with you, and that's when you decided they were to be run through the mud, isn't that the truth, Alan Polonsky?


Gawd, will you look at 'em now... Sandy, Tek, Java, "RP" and Baseloser. Nothing better to do on a Saturday night than indulge their fascination for all things chopsbuster. http://www.thecarwashlive.com/forums/images/smilies/whistle1.gif How sad.


Yes, it's pitiful, that you actually wrote that sentence without laughing at yourself. The owner of the carwash. LOL.


And still no apology from Sandy the Obsessed for lying about Monica...

Let's dot dot dot some more, shall we? .............................. Sandy, just apologize to Monica for believing Alan's lie that she was a mole. I mean, that's what he wants, isn't it? He's obsessed with it. Alan lies about people, and when he manages to get people to believe his lies, he demands they apologize for doing so. It's fucking amazing.

[Renegade Poster]

Gawd, will you look at 'em now... Sandy, Tek, Java, "RP" and Baseloser. Nothing better to do on a Saturday night than indulge their fascination for all things chopsbuster. How sad.
And he posted that on a Saturday night? Lol.

I thought I was indulging in my fascination with TRS. It's here that I read after all- not the Carwreck.

[tekobari]

I thought you knew, Tek. He was posting in IC that entire time that he was supposed to be gone.Contrary to what he wrote, I was a member of TCW at that time. He was still calling Hanna, and I remember thinking how nice that was that he'd keep in contact and pay all that money to call long distance from Europe.

He said he was posting from Europe whenever he could find the time, using a borrowed computer. I had no reason not to believe him.

In fact, I figured that was how he managed to live without a job, since he did get work from time to time, acting. I thought he worked a couple of gigs a year, which supported him.

There was a lot of stuff I didn't know, I think, that you thought I knew. Remember, I didn't know he was sanctioned from the eBay boards altogether, and came over here to defend him about that. I had to make a public apology for doing that.

[JavaNoire]

Damn, Tek. It seems you were about as clueless as I was. Now that's criminal.

[rossshow]

Java? What's your deal? I thought it was a typo, but you consistently spell my name with 3 sss's

[JavaNoire]

Rosss fr Rossshow. Nothing more. I'll revert to 2. It wasn't intended to be an insult or slam. I hope I didn't offend you.

Java

[rossshow]

LOL! No matter. Just wondering.

[JavaNoire]

Excellent post, Brandon. I think you know how much I *obsess* about private boards & fora. I always figured the super duper top secret hidey holes were largely concerned with board bs. Y'know, battles plans, territory claimed, prisoners taken, casualties, spies & dbl agents.

I have only a passing interest in that crap now. I had no more interest when I posted to TCW. I've had my squabbles with Kandi, theArts & Nuke. It's well known Egret & I loathe each other. *shrug*Alan's fights were his, not mine. I never needed, nor wanted, to make 'em mine. As I assumed the inner sanctums were heavily involved with such matters I had no desire to be privy to 'em.

Although I've heard of the Chopping Block I thought it closed before I ever joined TCW. I didn't realize it was open, hence I couldn't have had any feelings, good or bad, about not being a member.

[rossshow]

LOL! Java! You have Shawn and Chops in an uproar over something you posted nearly a year ago!

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:k4Zg-g8GtbcJ:www.theauctionwatch.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D92+GodSaveOurBleedingPlanet&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

[rossshow]

The funny thing is, Java, Liar Shawn actually posted in that thread, even though he claims to have NEVER seen your post before today.

Liar Chops, who read every single word at The Auction Watch (some words he read twice or three times), is ALSO claiming to have never seen your post.

[Heartland]

I never revealed any such "plan" to Boardwalker. What I told her and the "three or four" others was that I was making the board MBA because I wanted a break from posting publicly. That break lasted six weeks, not 30 days. Lies, lies, lies. Alan should apologize for lying, and he should do so immediately, no? He told most of the board members that he was taking a break from posting. He told a few of us the truth. He posted that he was going to be working on a job, so this "break from posting" is just hogwash, and he knows it. I don't recall it being in Europe, though ... I must've missed that little tidbit.

To read 'em, you'd think we were a wolfpack and they were all following me, yet none were ever invited to join my private board, The Chopping Block, which I've had since a year before TCW... and when one of them (Klytem) applied, I turned her down. None of these people -- including Sandy -- were ever a part of that "inner circle", yet oh! the hurt I inflicted upon them by not taking them into my confidence! LOL, poor Alan! Only ONE of us applied to his private netcopping board! I knew about the Chopping Block all along, and I never expressed any interest in joining. I made it clear that I wasn't into netcopping and keeping reams of records on suspected shillers. I cared so much about it that I never once asked him about it! Obssessive, I was, and oh so hurt! :rolleyes:

I also didn't say "inner circle" -- I said "inner sanctum" referring to the private forum on TCW at the time, Intimate Chatter. Alan's so flustered he can't even quote me correctly.

Sandy, for one, has repeatedly shown that to trust her with a confidence is absolute folly. What confidence is he referring to here? I thought he claimed he didn't trust me with any? Maybe he was thinking of Lu and got confused.

Gawd, will you look at 'em now... Sandy, Tek, Java, "RP" and Baseloser. Nothing better to do on a Saturday night than indulge their fascination for all things chopsbuster. How sad.

Yes, how sad that Alan had nothing better to do on a Saturday night than obsessively reading every word we wrote here, so he could immediately respond. How very, very sad. :1chirol_r I suppose we should have been lurking in tavern parking lots picking up drunks for sex, instead.

And still no apology from Sandy the Obsessed for lying about Monica... He means RedRain, of course. Perhaps he should apologize to her for outing her as his mole. Alan and his imagined cleverness that all see through. He never said that itcantrainallthetime moled for him, and he never said that Monica moled for him, and he never said that dm00 moled for him. In his mind, he actually believes he's being honest.

[JavaNoire]

Aaron,(waving) many thanks for this jewel! "...except perhaps to the tiny handful of bumbling fools that still give you audience."

The tiny handful of 'bumbling fools' giving me audience(& support) is stratospherically higher than those that think you have *any* credibility.

WHERE are your believers & supporters, Aaron? *You* raised the issue, so let's just number 'em & compare. Since you 1st blew into JGW I haven't seen 3 people that trusted or respected you for longer than 20 minutes. (& I *am* counting Diva). Diva, for that matter, was making friends & establishing credibility on T&S before you barged in & royally fucked it up for both of you.

Why must you insist on playing numbers games when you have none? Zip zot zilch. Nary a supporter to be found.

[*dm*]

HA, RedRain is NOT me. In fact RedRain came down on me for using a sig line without giving proper credit to the author at the Caboose. I kinda figure that you won't believe me, but if anyone still has some posts from that person, you can plainly see that it isn't me.

I have always had only the 2 ids at ANY board...itcantrainallthetime and dm00...dm00 used to be draysmommy on the ebay boards, but it was shortened down to the 2 letters. I don't hide behind other ids...even on boards where I know that I am not welcomed, I am still there as a well known id.

I do NOT know who RedRain is though.

[Heartland]

http://p206.ezboard.com/bauctiontalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=redrain

Monica, I don't have any reason not to believe you, except for the fact that you've allied yourself with proven liars ... people you know are lying. You know Alan lied about reporting and lying about the Deli, yet you are afraid to say so publicly. You've seen the evidence of lying by several of the posters on that board, yet you say nothing. Does that make you a liar? I don't know, but it sure doesn't make you credible. When you lie down with dogs, etc. etc.

Alan did tell at least two of us that you were RedRain and that you were sending him posts from RJ. He even mentioned your depression board in describing who you were. I had never heard of you or your board before he mentioned it. If that ID does not belong to you, then I'm glad to hear it. It's hardly my fault I was lied to, if that's the case, so I expect you should be asking Alan for an apology.

Apparently the ID hasn't been used since it was banned from RJ. That's interesting, if only for the fact that it shows the ID was a sockpuppet all along. Perhaps the person who owns that ID will step forward and admit it, posting with it one more time to prove it belongs to them. After all, it's been a long time and I doubt Base cares any longer.

[*dm*]

HA, I don't expect you to believe me, but perhaps base can clear this one up if he still has ip #'s saved....not that he cares to help me out of all people. And I do know there was some confusion at one board(not RJ) about the 2 ids being close, but I assure you that it wasn't me. Like I said, I was posting at the caboose at the same time that RR was, and I even quit posting for awhile there because of her/him yelling at me. I don't do confrontation well, and try to avoid it all costs.

[rossshow]

Come on, Monica.

The truth is good. We love the truth here. Isn't the truth better than the lies? Isn't the truth good for mental health?

Just admit to the truth, it won't hurt.

[*dm*]

Ross, sorry to break it to you, but this is the truth. I am NOT RedRain, and I don't know who is. What would you like as proof? If you tell me, I will provide it.

And back during that time, I wasn't even a very active participant of TCW. I had my own board, and rarely ventured to other boards. My participation at TCW was on the occasional fluff thread, or to post in the argument forum.

Why not go and ask at the caboose...I know that RR posted there too. Again, tell me what proof you want, and I'll give it to ya.

[Powerhouse]

:sm1116:

[rossshow]

OK, Monica, let's back track. How about this truth:


You know Alan lied about reporting and lying about the Deli, yet you are afraid to say so publicly.


Will you call that truth a lie?

[agentorange]

He means RedRain, of course. Perhaps he should apologize to her for outing her as his mole. Alan and his imagined cleverness that all see through. He never said that itcantrainallthetime moled for him, and he never said that Monica moled for him, and he never said that dm00 moled for him. In his mind, he actually believes he's being honest.
The real identity of redrain on my board was a hotly debated issue from the time she arrived, until well after she left. It never occured to me then that redrain was Monica. No evidence supports it. In fact, I believe redrain's IP number was traced to comcast, which is where Alan switched to while banned from my board so that he could keep lurking. If I had to guess, I'd say Redrain was Alan in disguise, and didn't even exist in the first place. If she did exist, I don't know who she is or where she is. Funny thing about that--I kicked redrain out for moling, and she adamently denied it, she even went over the carwash to post about how she was innocent and I was a liar! LOL, but Alan told people that she did mole for him...

[rossshow]

Again, tell me what proof you want, and I'll give it to ya.

I asked you a question, Monica.

[*dm*]

well thank you base!

Ross, I am getting ready to go to a superbowl party, so I will address this when I get home.