Cyber Diva accuses me of sexual harassment

[JavaNoire]

Or the ditzy get loopier...

THe NoyseyDivas contacted my employer with a ridiculous cease & desist bit o tripe. The DemonicDuo never changes. FLING it all out & mebbe something will hit...

They are accusing me of adversely affecting Diva's health...harming their businesses, undermining their standing in the online community, conspiring to drive em out of business & a*hemsexually harassing Diva. There's more I'm sure, all of it equally original & *worthy*.

Have you seen a picture of Diva? A pretty woman, IMO, but she looks both timorous & chilly. Noyse seems so bloodless & about as juicy as sawdust. Not exactly my cuppa lust.

Vulgarity does unsettle em(shrug)Several of my posts were (deservedly)vulgar. Perhaps that's why they failed to comprehend what was written. (Naturally Noyse couldn't resist an artful edit here & there...such as deleting references to his unwlcome & obscene advances in LC)

They're looking nastier & sleazier with every slither.

[Steamcleaner]

I guess after the warm reception that Cartman's C&D (Irish) received, Aaron decided that was a great idea! A little slow there Aaron, but I guess you did have the Lee C&D in between.

:2slampan:

[la gazza ladra]

undermining their standing in the online community



to dream the impossible dream........


This is my quest,
to follow that star --
no matter how hopeless,
no matter how far.


:1kool1-ai

[agentorange]

WOW. Very much expected, though.

Java, you need to contact law enforcement (again), and file a harassment complaint. Hopefully, they'll tie the unwanted phone calls to the same people who contacted your employer.

[biondobabe]

When the diva's do find themselves in a courtroom I have a feeling perjury or a 72 hour mental evaluation will be the rewards of their labor. :1clap5:

[paleryder]

THe NoyseyDivas contacted my employer with a ridiculous cease & desist bit o tripe.

Are these board times/wars ushering in an era where it's the norm to try and land OL shots in RL?

Why am I seeing more and more of this? Were the battles of yesteryear not as worthy?

:2gamecock

[agentorange]

Why am I seeing more and more of this? Were the battles of yesteryear not as worthy?
Those battles were consistantly lost, and good triumphed over evil as it always does. Already vanquished, with no hope of fighting their evil battles in this arena, they did what good little terrorists do best, they found a new arena, RL, where I assure you they will lose again. "They" refers to quite a few people who have recently taken their slimefest to the next level.

[Heartland]

Java, what are you supposed to cease and desist doing, exactly -- posting to a chat board?

Oy vey.

[socrfan2]

... they found a new arena, RL, where I assure you they will lose again. "They" refers to quite a few people who have recently taken their slimefest to the next level.

... including your pal, Cartman, as I recall. Don't I remember reading about him sending one of these juvenile "cease and desist" orders to someone's employer?

Slimy is slimy. Your enemies are a bunch of unethical fucktards, but as near as I can tell, a lot of your allies are as well.

It seems to me like many of the people pulling the slimiest tricks are, maybe not your pals, but at least antagonists of your enemy, Chopsbuster. You only seem to denounce it when they pull it on your pals -- doesn't seem to bother you nearly as much "when they deserve it" -- which is the logic that the rest of these losers use as well.

Cartman, Chops, Shawn, Nuke, Gazza, 10X, Diva --- I can't see a nickel's worth of difference amongst the bunch.

[lol1uk]

THe NoyseyDivas contacted my employer with a ridiculous cease & desist bit o tripe.

Blimey.......what a pair!!!!

[10x]

"I can't see a nickel's worth of difference amongst the bunch."

Got to drag me into it ehh. Blind also ehh.

[Heartland]

Roy, did you not go searching for details of Wasa's death and her attorney's name? Did you have anything to do with that attorney being contacted by Diva, in order to interfere with Wasa's last wishes, which were no one's business?

If you didn't do those things, then I would be able to say that you don't belong in that list.

[JavaNoire]

Is it Josey, or Josie? Cool name, btw. They've taken it to RL long before this crap. They made a bogus report attempting to get an eBay ID of mine NARU. When a discussion on T&S got verrry heated EVERYONE that disagreed with ArtRenditions(Noyse) got a bogus invalid CI report. I'm convinced they're the scoundrels that framed an innocent JGW seller a few yrs ago. (She steered clear of the fights but she was friendly with Dee, Jenn & I AND she was the one that was vulnerable at the time). Don't forget their credit card caper. Was it illegal? I dunno. It was slimy stuff regardless. And, the theft of TCW & reading others PMs inflicted real damage even if it was OL. That went far beyond the puerile name calling that is 99% of it.

I'm at a disadvantage in this crap as they well know. I have no idea *where* they work & I'm not trying to find out. I didn't know the city they lived in until I received the Express mail from them. I won't argue whether retaliation in kind is right or wrong b/c I know that in this situation it's wrong for me. I'd feel soiled. IMO, sleaze can be contagious & s/b avoided. (Sheesh. I sound almost saintly there. I'm not trying to, really)

Soc, I agree. Slimy is nasty stuff regardless of where you find it.

[JavaNoire]

Hello, Sandy. Good call. The stuff with Wasa was some of the nastiest I've seen.

[tekobari]

Java, I'm so sorry to hear this. I can't believe these two have gone that incredibly insane to pull a stunt like that. You expect it from cartman. But these two nuts just don't seem quite that low. I guess they are.

I don't know what I can do, but I'm here for moral support.

[10x]

Heartland

Hmm I did go and verify Wasa Death. Simply this was to be sure what happened.

She had a group unkown to the folks we got our information from, (to the point of them being refused to see her, info cut off etc). I have seen such actions lead to folks in homes with no way to get out, cut off from all comunication. Not as unusual as folks would think.

As for what her last wishes were, I dont know. I doubt that you know either.

By the way not a thread for this topic.

It is about the stupidity of folks draging this board crap to real life in order to initiate attacks that should never have ben taken to real life.

So far the only time that I have seen reason for folks to do so is threats of physical harm. Thhat is a good reason to contact police. Note the behavior shown as the topic of this thread is also anoughter good reason to take it to real life and contact police and other legal councel.

[JavaNoire]

Tek, they again make it abundantly plain what they're like & why they're universally scorned & despised.

He's a natural bully. In her mousy fashion, I suspect Diva is every bit as toxic.

I think of them reading others' PMs & my skin crawls. They have no boundaries & lack the rudiments of decency. That crass & orchestrated invasion of privacy remains among the worst I've seen on the boards. It's hard to fathom that someone would so readily violate others' privacy in such a cavalier fashion.

How's this for disingenuous?...They claim that b/c of her online business Diva can't leave the internet. (I'm trying to force her off according to them). Uhh, yeah, that's true. No argument here. BUT can't she conduct her business without posting to TRS, TCW, RJ etc? How fucking lame is that? Gawd, they're thick.

FTR, I haven't so much as looked at her business(or his) in several yrs. Tis hard to understand how I can affect 'em so strongly...

[JavaNoire]

Roy, she'd long been very open about what her wishes were concerning her estate. Nothing in those plans changed during the time I knew her(very slightly). She was quite outspoken that she had little use for the bit of family she had remaining.

People can spin it however they wish. Wasa loved Brandon. She was excited about moving to Arizona but also concerned that Brandon would feel obligated to spend too much of his time with her & not enough with people his age.

I was never close with Wasa but she made no secret of how much she cared for Brandon. It's obscene how people now want to pick that apart. Nobody took it up with Wasa when she was alive & healthy. They knew damned well it would do no good. How sneaky to creep in after she's gone to wreak havoc.

[kim]

i think an "ie" - ending - (josey / josie) - indicates female - but - he's a princess so who knows...

- snicker...

[paleryder]

:2slampan:

[kim]

whips straw from behind back and plants a spit wad patooey - splat on princess josey's haid...!

- runs off laughing...

--------

p.s. returns for a sec - sorry EA - those divas are insane - !!! - runs off again...

[kim]

p.p.s. er i mean - java - sorry - quickly spits another - watch out cowboy - i'm outta here...!

[agentorange]

It seems to me like many of the people pulling the slimiest tricks are, maybe not your pals, but at least antagonists of your enemy, Chopsbuster. You only seem to denounce it when they pull it on your pals -- doesn't seem to bother you nearly as much "when they deserve it" -- which is the logic that the rest of these losers use as well.



Unfortunately, socrfan, you are ill-informed, and perhaps by choice. When Cartman sent irish a cease and desist letter, I told him exactly what I thought of it, and I posted that publicly, for all to see. For you to assume that all who are victims of chopsbuster are somehow my "allies" is absurd. Do you not realize how many victims he has? It would be far easier to count the number of people the guy hasn't terrorized and abused, and you won't find any either! Numerous gangs of people have left the cardump, and Alan's various harassment boards, yet I do not speak to most of them. We may share the same thoughts and opinions about the guy, but that hardly makes us allies. Excuse me, I'll choose who my friends are, not you, and not by any lumping or association are you or anyone else going to somehow manufacture a friendship or alliance out of thin air! I like cartman, but I disagree with most everything he says and does, not that it's anyones business, but once again I have to set the record straight because someone has made it an issue.

[Heartland]

Roy, so your answers are "yes" and you do belong on that list. That's what I thought. Of course it belongs on this thread, since you took offense to being included on Socrfan's list on this thread. I was merely wondering why you thought you shouldn't be included.

It matters not what you thought about anything or what you've seen in the past with "folk", nor did I ask you any of that. It wasn't any of your business, and you had no right to dig into someone's personal life like that, nor did you have any right whatsoever to try to interfere with someone's Last Will. If she'd wanted you to be part of it, you would've been. 'Nuff said.

When I die, I certainly don't want some fucktard from the boards to start poking around in my personal affairs and contacting attorneys and distant relatives about me and my decisions.

No excuse you have is good enough.

[agentorange]

When I die, I certainly don't want some fucktard from the boards to start poking around in my personal affairs and contacting attorneys and distant relatives about me and my decisions.


Sadly, from what I've seen, they'll do that to you before you die, and afterwards, and who knows what else. There's an upside, though. Cigarettes are free in heaven.

[paleryder]

I was never close with Wasa but she made no secret of how much she cared for Brandon. It's obscene how people now want to pick that apart.

Why would anyone, online, ever take upon themselves to enter into someone's RL without an invitation? That's beyond me.

Who cares who Base/Wasa or anyone were/are with? Why bark up that tree? :1crazy:

Eventually, one of these incursions will end badly for the intruder.


:1crazy: :1crazy: :1crazy: :1crazy: :1crazy: :1crazy: :1crazy:

:sm1167:

[JavaNoire]

Particularly disgusting is that some of those intruding actively disliked Wasa, mocked & ridiculed her while she lived.

[pcgoddess]

Particularly disgusting is that some of those intruding actively disliked Wasa, mocked & ridiculed her while she lived.

Dumb question:

Uh, why are ppl so cruel to each other on these boards? Does this have roots in the OL auction business? Or is it just the way it is?

[mouthymouse]

Dumb question:

Uh, why are ppl so cruel to each other on these boards? Does this have roots in the OL auction business? Or is it just the way it is?


I've wondered that same thing for years. Why is it exactly?

[kim]

i think that ever since reagan - and - esp. bush sr. - the idea - that being harsh a cruel - is supposed to be cool - part of the new world order - conflict - forever - it was during that era - that vigilantism / militia groups / etc. - began to really prosper - was encouraged - at least - in certain quarters - anyway - violence in general - was seen to be - better than - peace and love - which they considered - "weak" - this attitude grew - to such an extent - that now it's just kind of accepted as commonplace - at least - that's the way the media portrays it - you watch a show on the history channel - where they used to work together to build some structure - say like stonehenge - or something - now days - they squabble like idiots - it's amazing they manage to get anything acomplished - i expect them to start brawling...

- whoa a deep thought from me it's been a while hahaha...

[kim]

i'm sleepy - up there - ought to have typed - harsh - and - cruel...

[JavaNoire]

I think it's an excellent question. I wish I knew the answer.

I'm blunt RL as well as OL. Altough I can be a 24kt bitch I'm not a back stabber or a sneak. I won't say behind your back what I can't say to your face. My impatience & hot temper are more obvious RL. I'm much the same RL as well as OL, though I'm somewhat nicer OL.

[kim]

p.s. clarification - stonehenge - i mean those reinactment shows - where they try to figure out how they did it - anyway - these days they argue a lot...

[agentorange]

Does this have roots in the OL auction business?
Had it not been for eBay, I never would have met any of these people. The eBay message boards, more specifically. They just aren't normal. Those boards are unlike any other online communities I have ever seen. There's an aura of evil that gives off a bizzare stench when you get near them, and it's hard to explain. Sociopaths have a field day on communities like those. It seems like the regulars on those boards are so wrapped up with obtaining kudos and respect from their underlings that they completely toss morality and decency out the door. To them, it's not about helping newbies or assisting fellow eBayers, or even participating in a community as you or I know it. It's about finding out who's got a better position or standing in that community than you do, and then tearing them down via any method possible, and believe me, they'll find new ones you'd never dream up in a million years to do it. "Friendship", to them, is based on who out there will help them acheive their agenda, regardless of who those people might be, or what past they may have. When those "friends" are no longer needed, or when they finally catch on, they are discarded, and all the credibility they had helped their former friend obtain during that friendship is suddenly used against them to discredit them! It's a pathological sickness that runs rampant amongst a few, but infects everyone.

[pcgoddess]

Had it not been for eBay, I never would have met any of these people. The eBay message boards, more specifically. They just aren't normal. Those boards are unlike any other online communities I have ever seen. There's an aura of evil that gives off a bizzare stench when you get near them, and it's hard to explain. Sociopaths have a field day on communities like those. It seems like the regulars on those boards are so wrapped up with obtaining kudos and respect from their underlings that they completely toss morality and decency out the door. To them, it's not about helping newbies or assisting fellow eBayers, or even participating in a community as you or I know it. It's about finding out who's got a better position or standing in that community than you do, and then tearing them down via any method possible, and believe me, they'll find new ones you'd never dream up in a million years to do it. "Friendship", to them, is based on who out there will help them acheive their agenda, regardless of who those people might be, or what past they may have. When those "friends" are no longer needed, or when they finally catch on, they are discarded, and all the credibility they had helped their former friend obtain during that friendship is suddenly used against them to discredit them! It's a pathological sickness that runs rampant amongst a few, but infects everyone.

Yikes. There is a side of Ebay and OL communities most newbies have no idea exists. And you have to assume these ppl are like this in RL....they cannot hide behind a online persona for long.

One thing I have noticed in all OL forums is some users put out this air of superiority and are condescending to most posters. If you can weed them out, there is a wealth of knowledge that others will share with you willingly. This happened in both polymer clay and digital photography forums I looked at.

But the vitriol and ugliness seems much more apparent in the auction-related sites.

[10x]

How sneaky to creep in after she's gone to wreak havoc.
Correct. I had to be sure it did not go even further. Glad it did not.



Sorry for the happenings that have brought this to such actions as you are going through. Hell I am sorry for the actions that have brought this to even were the others think they should send stuff and contact your employer.

I sit here and wounder were all this type of situations is going to end. I keep seeing a newspaper artical were some acualy goes to some ones house and violance and or death has happened. Hell it is not much further down the ladder than what we are seeing.

Damn I wish I had an awnser. I dont. :1bonk1:

[10x]

Does this have roots in the OL auction business?

The ebay boards became a king of the hill thing, and still are. If you aint in the group you will most likly be ignored or eventualy attacked. Nasty places they are.

[agentorange]

One thing I have noticed in all OL forums is some users put out this air of superiority and are condescending to most posters.


I admit, I have goofed on people on the eBay boards. I did so while helping them at the same time. It was entertaining, the people I goofed on, they were rarely ever sincere to begin with. There are lines one shouldn't cross, however, and I tried never to do that. What a wakeup call when others did. It continues to be a constant wakeup call, because it's always being taken to new levels, and that's when you realize that those doing that aren't of the same mind as most. They are simply put, crazy. When a poster comes along who says "I bid on this plasma tv and won it for $80 dollars and the seller lives in Romania and had a -4 feedback, now I want to get revenger becuse him defraudered me." it is hard not to poke fun. But, I believed then and I believe now, that if you're going to poke fun at the guy, you should also give him or her every bit of knowledge you have that could help him get out of the situation he's in, and prevent further situations from occuring. Most were thankful. But that's just the eBay help boards I'm referencing. I never was a regular on the chat boards, but I read them frequently back then, and they were a hundred times worse than anything I'd ever seen before. It was just a place to destroy people with vicious gossip. Most of the notorious rascals were women and gay men. Before I get into hot water about that statement, I won't go further with it, but it's true!

[paleryder]

People have been vicious since man's earliest days. Abel got whacked right out of the gate. If you're not buying that one, pick your own starting point. Same end result, different victim.

People get pissed and when they do someone usually pays a price. Right or wrong, that's the way it's always been in my world. Yours any different?

There was a time, and not all that long ago, that online wars died online. Any blood spilled stayed in the thread. Not now. Blood started dripping into other threads. Then other boards. Phone lines. Third parties get involved. Looks like these battles are now creeping into RL. The monitor to monitor buffer zone, apparently, can no longer contain the hate. I was birthed on these auction boards. Home for me. No place like home, eh?

I've little history with other types of boards. I keep hearing that non-auction boards are just as bad. Haven't seen that. Not with passion that's displayed here. That passion keeps me here. That same passion, left unchecked, could run me out of here.

I don't really wanna have to kill someone who shows up pissed at my door one day. Do you?

[folies bergere]

That passion keeps me here. That same passion, left unchecked, could run me out of here.

there is nothing sadder than passion wasted...

there's is so much hard work in life,
why turn this stuff into so much damn work?

keeping track of words, keeping files, storing pm's, keeping score...

work...

[folies bergere]

sorry, it try to stay out.

i will from here on.

:1b2:

[folies bergere]

omg...i i meant to say "i" try to stay out.

i am a mess without edit...heh!

[Toy Ranch]

People have been vicious since man's earliest days. Abel got whacked right out of the gate. If you're not buying that one, pick your own starting point. Same end result, different victim.

People get pissed and when they do someone usually pays a price. Right or wrong, that's the way it's always been in my world. Yours any different?

There was a time, and not all that long ago, that online wars died online. Any blood spilled stayed in the thread. Not now. Blood started dripping into other threads. Then other boards. Phone lines. Third parties get involved. Looks like these battles are now creeping into RL. The monitor to monitor buffer zone, apparently, can no longer contain the hate. I was birthed on these auction boards. Home for me. No place like home, eh?

I've little history with other types of boards. I keep hearing that non-auction boards are just as bad. Haven't seen that. Not with passion that's displayed here. That passion keeps me here. That same passion, left unchecked, could run me out of here.

I don't really wanna have to kill someone who shows up pissed at my door one day. Do you?

Josey, these battles have been raging offline for these T&S types for a long time. With a few notable exceptions, the non-eBay boardies have managed to keep it online. Some of the eBay boardie crew have long made a habit of taking it offline. Hence all the "posting ID's" they use, etc. If there is any single issue which divides the old Rossites and the new Rossites, it is that.

[la gazza ladra]

socrfan says:

Cartman, Chops, Shawn, Nuke, Gazza, 10X, Diva --- I can't see a nickel's worth of difference amongst the bunch.


To which 'Gazza' are you referring? I am sure I have nothing to do with any of the ones you mentioned, except to receive an ezmail from shawn, which was a mixed message of : " be my friend or I will destroy you" sorta deal.


and cartman whom I like........the rest are not within my sphere of "giving a damn" except to observe how creepy they are.

[Kandi]

Shawn spews:

Nobody on this board has EVER been proven to be in that calibur. Not even myself or Chops

When talking about interfering in RL situations. Perhaps he (Shawn) forgot that he bragged about reporting me for work comp fraud and bragging about this online. Perhaps he forgot about signing up Base and Bliss to pornographic gay web sites to include posting their pictures and bragging about this online. Perhaps he forgot about signing me up for numerous web sites and spamming my business email address and bragging about this online. Perhaps he forgot about telling me that my "grocery shopping" experiences would get interesting and also bragging about this online.

Shawn, :stfu: you have no room to talk.

[rossshow]

Perhaps he forgot

He didn't "forget". He's a fucking liar.

[newslady]

Folks taking online disputes into real life isn't new. It happened to me when I was a poster on eBay's then-rough and rowdy DNF board eight years ago.

A poster who didn't like my POV on an issue contacted my employer, for what reason, I don't know. It pissed me off. There is no reason to invite yourself into the RL of a person that you're having an online dispute with - none whatsoever.

[pcgoddess]

Folks taking online disputes into real life isn't new. It happened to me when I was a poster on eBay's then-rough and rowdy DNF board eight years ago.

A poster who didn't like my POV on an issue contacted my employer, for what reason, I don't know. It pissed me off. There is no reason to invite yourself into the RL of a person that you're having an online dispute with - none whatsoever.

I am FLABBERGASTED that people are this crazy. What the heck is wrong with a good debate or opposing POVs? Like Ramona was saying, maybe its this neocon train of thought permeating all aspects of life, RL or OL.

[paleryder]

What the heck is wrong with a good debate or opposing POVs?

Nothing..... but some of these debates are starting to grow legs. They're straying from the confines of the boards. That's begging for trouble.

[10x]

If there is any single issue which divides the old Rossites and the new Rossites, it is that.

LOL it was an off ebay board that allowed folks from here to go to them ebay boards to stop the open investigations. Amusing diferances and hair splitting.

It was an adgenda agaist net cops.

Note I am glad due to that I got encounter Ross and Toy. The did change the perspective of a lot of folks, including mine.


The reality is folks on the boards can react to posts and actions of others that upset, piss off, and confuse them. It seems a few will take it to real life.
Most do not.

[Kandi]

LMAO at Shawn. Anybody can describe his house, he was always posting pictures of it. All of your bullshit Shawn is archived at RJ. You know, the stuff you said on the Car Wash that got locked down at EZ. Restraining order....need a refresher? I can get it.

Now carry on with your silliness Shawn. You bore me. I just had to point out that you are a liar and that you do, indeed, carry things into RL and harass and stalk yourself. Get busy little drama queen bitch and plan my "complete destruction" (as threatened in your email). :1chirol_c

[socrfan2]

Unfortunately, socrfan, you are ill-informed, and perhaps by choice. When Cartman sent irish a cease and desist letter, I told him exactly what I thought of it, and I posted that publicly, for all to see. For you to assume that all who are victims of chopsbuster are somehow my "allies" is absurd. Do you not realize how many victims he has? It would be far easier to count the number of people the guy hasn't terrorized and abused, and you won't find any either! Numerous gangs of people have left the cardump, and Alan's various harassment boards, yet I do not speak to most of them. We may share the same thoughts and opinions about the guy, but that hardly makes us allies. Excuse me, I'll choose who my friends are, not you, and not by any lumping or association are you or anyone else going to somehow manufacture a friendship or alliance out of thin air! I like cartman, but I disagree with most everything he says and does, not that it's anyones business, but once again I have to set the record straight because someone has made it an issue.


You are correct, Basestealer. I was making assumptions (and you know what happens to people who do that, don't you?) and doing all sorts of type-casting. I missed it when you took Cartman to task about the phony "cease and desist," but I accept that you did that. I realize some of these people are probably incapable of being chums with anyone so I should not have done the "guilt by association" schtick with you. I apologize.

[Kandi]

Still LMAO @ Shawn.

Love,
Kim

[socrfan2]

To which 'Gazza' are you referring?

You, asshole.

The other one may be as big a fucktard as you are, but you're the one polluting this watering hole.

[la gazza ladra]

Oh well, I must have said something, somewhere that you misconstrued.......this happens a lot when the posts fly and people make assumptions without knowing the facts. I was unaware of any issue you may have had until now. You can assume the feeling is mutual after your above post. If you have some some sort of substantive grievance you may post it now, otherwise I will discount any of your future posts.

[nettie]

Shawn says:

I sure would love to see your "proof" that I EVER took the effort to ever ezmail OR email you at any time


While this is not "proof" that what LaGazza is saying is factual - as a recipient of more than one of similar self-serving exhortations from you, via ezmail, myself, I would have to say that I believe you are lying, Shawn, if you deny sending such messages. Are you going to say that you did not ez me, either?

[la gazza ladra]

I have no interest in proving it. I have no association with him other than that ezmail, which I deleted. I will say that he posted my CI on the ezcarwash, out of the blue. I have never had a conversation with him online or elsewhere, nor do I want to.

[RunFaYaLife]

02-22-2006, 08:17 PM
socrfan2
Rossite Archdeacon Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 290


You, asshole.

The other one may be as big a fucktard as you are, but you're the one polluting this watering hole.


Care to elaborate?

[nettie]

From Whale:


Hear those big ole lips smacking that lumpy ass?



What are your guidelines for determining whether or not my lips are big and ole?? What if they are big but not ole? Will you apologize? What about ole but not big? Maybe a half-hearted apology?

(Just having fun with some wordplay.........it's fun being silly - don't you think??)



On to more serious matters - I did not lie about those fabricated ez messages you claim I sent you. I sent none.

And thanks, Shawn for verifying I am telling the truth about the ez messages that you sent me.

[RunFaYaLife]

From Whale:



Quote:
Hear those big ole lips smacking that lumpy ass?

Speaking of polluting the water......whale is a one woman oil slick.

[la gazza ladra]

When someone agrees with me it is asskissing. When someone agrees with someone on the carwash it is a concensus.........see how it works now???

[nettie]

Shawn:

Now why would I lie about sending you ezmails Nettie? What would that accomplish? Why was I ezmailing you? To get dirt of course. Which you gladly gave to me quite easily, such as pictures of Baseliar and Magpiles first and last name(Rikki's tew!). Nettie, I have the emails, so don't even try to deny it. You, my demented friend(gag) sang like a birdy(biddy). Tweet~tweet. doot de doot and all that happy crappy.


Your ezmails to me were deleted, unanswered.



There is nothing more to discuss about this.

[la gazza ladra]

I know exactly where my CI came from. It came from whale or voldemort, same thing really, only one hides in the shadows.

It was too obvious; so now when Shawn lies BIG, it means that there is damage control to be done. Especially when whale is repeating for yet another time that red's contact info was on the hague........which he posted, and which he said could stay because he didn't care who knew it.......which was there for over 2 years for anyone to see, but don't let the facts interfere with your rants.

[Kandi]

I find it funny that Whale had to interject and make it sound like I had threatened her with some Pennsylvania bikers.

First of all, I do not know Whale's name, much less what area of the country she lives in. Whale, you flatter yourself. I don't give a rat's ass about you. You are a friend of a friend of mine. I giver her respect in not bothering to even remotely pick at you. You can't say the same now can you? You throw my screen name out there every chance you get. Bored?

Second, I'm thinking they must have a low opinion of bikers over there at the Car Wash. Talking about bikers coming to get them, etc. What makes them think a bunch of bikers is interested in their shenanigans.

Still LMAO @ Shawn. He's so easy. Wind her (drama queen bitch) up and watch her go.

Love,
Kimmy

[nettie]

I didn't have anything but your name, Magpie. Someone sent me your complete address and telephone number, but I've never given those to anyone.


If you operate like Shawn, in about thrty minutes you will be saying it was me who sent them to you.

That's about how long it took for him to come up with his fantasy.



I don't really know anybody's CI. I have seen different "info" posted regarding other's names and locations - but I elide right over it because I know I will have no use for it, whatsoever. The only thing such data could be used for is the intrusion into people's RL. I believe this sort of intrusion for any reason is reprehensible and inexcusable.

[nettie]

I see. Hmmmmm.
Nettie, are you trying to deny that you have in fact passed around CI and pictures of Basestealer in the past? I just want to be sure that is what I am reading. Thanks in advance.



Most folks undrstand a statement the first time around - but in your case- and allowing for your unfortuate limitations, I reiterate:

I don't really know anybody's CI. I have seen different "info" posted regarding other's names and locations - but I elide right over it because I know I will have no use for it, whatsoever. The only thing such data could be used for is the intrusion into people's RL. I believe this sort of intrusion for any reason is reprehensible and inexcusable.

[nettie]

Sorry for my keyboard problems - Ill correct my last post.........

Quote:
I see. Hmmmmm.
Nettie, are you trying to deny that you have in fact passed around CI and pictures of Basestealer in the past? I just want to be sure that is what I am reading. Thanks in advance.





Most folks understand a statement the first time around - but in your case- and allowing for your unfortunate limitations, I reiterate:

I don't really know anybody's CI. I have seen different "info" posted regarding other's names and locations - but I elide right over it because I know I will have no use for it, whatsoever. The only thing such data could be used for is the intrusion into people's RL. I believe this sort of intrusion for any reason is reprehensible and inexcusable.

[agentorange]

It was wenchie (cookiesugarcookie) who admitted sending photographs of me to the cardump, not nettie.

Once again, Shawn exposes his true colors, even while desperately trying not to, by stating "Why did I contact you? To find dirt on people!", and I guess to him, a photograph of me in Vegas with friends is the "dirt" he was looking for.

[nettie]

Once again, Shawn exposes his true colors, even while desperately trying not to, by stating "Why did I contact you? To find dirt on people!"

Maybe that was his ulterior motive. (they all seem to have one, don't they?)

But his several ezmails to me were long-winded harangues about how he was being mistreated and misunderstood. In the course of his exhortations, he revealed everything he knew (and undoubtedly alot that he fabricated) about lots of folks. It was not difficult to see he was a loose cannon and trouble I neither needed nor was interested in.

As I said, his ezmails were deleted without response.

[Cartman]

I missed it when you took Cartman to task about the phony "cease and desist" There was nothing "phony" about the C&D letter I sent her.

She was harassing me (and many others) and she was doing it from her work (at tax-payer's expense).

... so I used my online name instead of my real name ... sue me.

She took the letter seriously (as did her employer) and she subsequently stopped her harassment.

Case closed!


... and I have no problem with Loraine or Aaron! My enemy's enemy is my friend!

[10x]

Hmm still cant see what you did was wrong ehh cartman?

[Toy Ranch]

Cartman is a fucking stalker scumbag.

[Cartman]

Oh, boo hoo!


Some nobody insulted me - now I'm going to cry!

:1cryhard:

[10x]

Cartman do you realy belive your actions are right?

[socrfan2]

I was unaware of any issue you may have had until now. You can assume the feeling is mutual after your above post.

Wow, two apologies (or semi-apologies) from me in the same thread. :1eek2:

I don't think I do have a particular issue with you, Gazza (actually, I don't think you've made any impression on me, positive or negative). It was the other fucktard, Runfayalife, that I was thinking of when I typed your name. So sorry. All of you Chops-antichops fucktards sort of blend into one and I used your name instead of that other fucktard. So, consider that a sort of demi-apology.

Cartman, on the other hand, really is that big a fucktard. Thanks, butt-boy, for coming on and proving my point. The fact that there are so many immature little assholes (on both sides) who think "the other side deserved just what they got and I'd do it again" is precisely the problem. Your mommies should take all of your computers away from you for a month.

[JavaNoire]

Cart, it's simplistic to like someone based on who they like/dislike. Then too, many on these boards are notoriously fickle. Their quicksand loyalties shift & morf at whim, it seems. How can you keep it all straight?

Nettie, if Shawn's typing, he's lying. Anything he says would be suspect if it was given more than a scant glance. I don't bother wondering if what he says is true b/c *everything* he says is wholly unreliable. I'm surely not the only one who discounts his allegations as quickly as I read em.

Taking it too far is nothing new, really. My neighbor posted to extremist political boards. He urged me to read the various diatribes. They were booooooring beyond belief but the board dynamics were hilarious. Starkly black & white, they were without nuance, subtlety or shading. You were either a beloved friend or a reviled enemy. In the course of the ongoing battles a *beloved friend* might cross the party line & express opposing views on abortion, gun control, home schooling etc. ALL HELL would bust out since it was now apparent that the (recently)beloved friend was a scheming, scum slurping enemy extraordinaire who had deceived & double crossed all who were good.

These cyberbrawls had acrimony to spare. Hacking one anothers computers was a common revenge by the most extreme of 'em. They'd post pages of righteous justification & excuses ad nauseum. It was of course only acceptable when it was done to the other guy.

[JavaNoire]

Socrfan2, I'm curious. IF Gazza hasn't made an impression on you that's negative or positive why do you refer to her as a fucktard? It's not exactly a neutral term, IMO.

[Cartman]

Soccer Fan is the perfect name for such a coward!


Always sitting on the sidelines - yelling and screaming and criticizing the players, coaches and referees ... you did this wrong - you did that wrong - lousy ref - fire the coach - bench that player ... never having had the courage to get in the game themselves.

I have more respect for Polonsky than I do for these brainless spectators.

[RunFaYaLife]

Soccer Fan is the perfect name for such a coward!


Always sitting on the sidelines - yelling and screaming and criticizing the players, coaches and referees ... you did this wrong - you did that wrong - lousy ref - fire the coach - bench that player ... never having had the courage to get in the game themselves.

hhhhmmm.....soccer fan does appear to be an armchair quarterback, Cart.
I find it odd that he could get two complelety different ID's mixed up especially since he just called RunFaYaLife(me) "trailor park trash" the other night and LaGazz has not even been anywhere around.

Apparently he secretly loves 'Chopo and the dead beats'....and approves of their actions.....
OkeY then....
no prob.....I will just cut a wide berth around this nutjob too.:1crazy:

I have more respect for Polonsky than I do for these brainless spectators

NFW!
Polonsky is a "brainless spectator" or he wants everyone to believe he is.....like the whopper he told about not knowing or being aware of his poster's using names and PI in their sigi lines and under their names at his crummy board....when he is posting in the same threads WITH them at the same time they are doing it.......Oh PU-LEASE!

Now that lie was so blantant I would have to give it a "shawn". :rolleyes:




Yep the car wash=the liar's club





I like Cartman and I do not give a rats ass who knows it ........or CARES.
I don't "do" cliques
:1kiss1:

[socrfan2]

Socrfan2, I'm curious. IF Gazza hasn't made an impression on you that's negative or positive why do you refer to her as a fucktard?

I would think that's clear enough by now; I've certainly ranted about it often enough. I think everyone who is involved in this whole dog's breakfast is a fucktard, including, by now, me. If anyone thinks they're scoring some sort of point with their endless rants, threats, and diatribes, they're very wrong. :1apileoff

With that, I think I'll take my own advice and withdraw from this thread and these discussions. I don't expect any of these losers to be swayed by my comments and I guess I'll just have to live with the fact that some really fine people like Runfaya and Cartman don't think that much of me. :1cryhard: Really, it's going to wreck my night.

[kim]

this is weird too - ya know - sometimes it's downright fortean around here...

[foptiludrop]

Some of Us Had Been Threatening Our Friend Colby
by Donald Barthelme

Some of us had been threatening our friend Colby for a long time, because of the way he had been behaving. And now he'd gone too far, so we decided to hang him. Colby argued that just because he had gone too far (he did not deny that he had gone too far) did not mean that he should be subjected to hanging. Going too far, he said, was something everybody did sometimes. We didn't pay much attention to this argument. We asked him what sort of music he would like played at the hanging. He said he'd think about it but it would take him a while to decide. I pointed out that we'd have to know soon, because Howard, who is a conductor, would have to hire and rehearse the musicians and he couldn't begin until he knew what the music was going to be. Colby said he'd always been fond of Ives's Fourth Symphony. Howard said that this was a "delaying tactic" and that everybody knew that the Ives was almost impossible to perform and would involve weeks of rehearsal, and that the size of the orchestra and chorus would put us way over the music budget. "Be reasonable," he said to Colby. Colby said he'd try to think of something a little less exacting.

Hugh was worried about the wording of the invitations. What if one of them fell into the hands of the authorities? Hanging Colby was doubtless against the law, and if the authorities learned in advance what the plan was they would very likely come in and try to mess everything up. I said that although hanging Colby was almost certainly against the law, we had a perfect moral right to do so because he was our friend, belonged to us in various important senses, and he had after all gone too far. We agreed that the invitations would be worded in such a way that the person invited could not know for sure what he was being invited to. We decided to refer to the event as "An Event Involving Mr. Colby Williams." A handsome script was selected from a catalogue and we picked a cream-colored paper. Magnus said he'd see to having the invitations printed, and wondered whether we should serve drinks. Colby said he thought drinks would be nice but was worried about the expense. We told him kindly that the expense didn't matter, that we were after all his dear friends and if a group of his dear friends couldn't get together and do the thing with a little bit of eclat, why, what was the world coming to? Colbv asked if he would be able to have drinks, too, before the event. We said, "Certainly."

The next item of business was the gibbet. None of us knew too much about gibbet design, but Tomas, who is an architect, said he'd look it up in old books and draw the plans. The important thing, as far as he recollected, was that the trapdoor function perfectly. He said that just roughly, counting labor and materials, it shouldn't run us more than four hundred dollars. "Good God !" Howard said. He said what was Tomas figuring on, rosewood? No, just a good grade of pine, Tomas said. Victor asked if unpainted pine wouldn't look kind of "raw," and Tomas replied that he thought it could be stained a dark walnut without too much trouble.

I said that although I thought the whole thing ought to be done really well and all, I also thought four hundred dollars for a gibbet, on top of the expense for the drinks, invitations, musicians, and everything, was a bit steep, and why didn't we just use a tree -- a nice-looking oak, or something? I pointed out that since it was going to be a June hanging the trees would be in glorious leaf and that not only would a tree add a kind of "natural" feeling but it was also strictly traditional, especially in the West. Tomas, who had been sketching gibbets on the backs of envelopes, reminded us that an outdoor hanging always had to contend with the threat of rain. Victor said he liked the idea of doing it outdoors, possibly on the bank of a river but noted that we would have to hold it some distance from the city, which presented the problem of getting the guests, musicians, etc., to the site and then back to town.

At this point everybody looked at Harry, who runs a car-and-truck-rental business. Harry said he thought he could round up enough limousines to take care of that end but that the drivers would have to be paid. The drivers, he pointed out, wouldn't be friends of Colby's and couldn't be expected to donate their services, any more than the bartender or the musicians. He said that he had about ten limousines, which he used mostly for funerals, and that he could probably obtain another dozen by calling around to friends of his in the trade. He said also that if we did it outside, in the open air, we'd better figure on a tent or awning of some kind to cover at least the principals and the orchestra, because if the hanging was being rained on he thought it would look kind of dismal. As between gibbet and tree, he said, he had no particular preferences and he really thought that the choice ought to be left up to Colby, since it was his hanging. Colby said that everybody went too far, sometimes, and weren't we being a little Draconian? Howard said rather sharply that all that had already been discussed, and which did he want, gibbet or tree? Colby asked if he could have a firing squad. No, Howard said, he could not. Howard said a firing squad would just be an ego trip for Colby, the blindfold and last-cigarette bit, and that Colby was in enough hot water already without trying to "upstage" everyone with unnecessary theatrics. Colby said he was sorry, he hadn't meant it that way, he'd take the tree. Tomas crumpled up the gibbet sketches he'd been making, in disgust.

Then the question of the hangman came up. Pete said did we really need a hangman? Because if we used a tree, the noose could be adjusted to the appropriate level and Colby could just jump off something -- a chair or stool or something. Besides, Pete said, he very much doubted if there were any free-lance hangmen wandering around the country, now that capital punishment has been done away with absolutely, temporarily, and that we'd probably have to fly one in from England or Spain or one of the South American countries, and even if we did that how could we know in advance that the man was a professional, a real hangman, and not just some money-hungry amateur who might bungle the job and shame us all, in front of every body? We all agreed then that Colby should just jump off something and that a chair was not what he should jump off of, because that would look, we felt, extremely tacky -- some old kitchen chair sitting out there under our beautiful tree. Tomas, who is quite modern in outlook and not afraid of innovation, proposed that Colby be standing on a large round rubber ball ten feet in diameter. This, he said, would afford a sufficient "drop" and would also roll out of the way if Colby suddenly changed his mind after jumping off. He reminded us that by not using a regular hangman we were placing an awful lot of the responsibility for the success of the affair on Colby himself, and that although he was sure Colby would perform creditably and not disgrace his friends at the last minute, still, men have been known to get a little irresolute at times like that, and the ten-foot-round rubber ball, which could probably be fabricated rather cheaply, would insure a "bang-up" pro duction right down to the wire.

At the mention of "wire," Hank, who had been silent all this time, suddenly spoke up and said he wondered if it wouldn't be better if we used wire instead of rope -- more efficient and in the end kinder to Colby, he suggested. Colby began looking a little green, and I didn't blame him, because there is something extremely distasteful in think ing about being hanged with wire instead of rope -- it gives you sort of a revulsion, when you think about it. I thought it was really quite unpleasant of Hank to be sitting there talking about wire, just when we had solved the problem of what Colby was going to jump off of so neatly, with Tomas's idea about the rubber ball, so I hastily said that wire was out of the question, because it would injure the tree -- cut into the branch it was tied to when Colby's full weight hit it -- and that in these days of increased respect for the environment, we didn't want that, did we? Colby gave me a grateful look, and the meeting broke up. Everything went off very smoothly on the day of the event (the music Colby finally picked was standard stuff, Elgar, and it was played very well by Howard and his boys). It didn't rain, the event was well attended, and we didn't run out of Scotch, or anything. The ten-foot rubber ball had been painted a deep green and blended in well with the bucolic setting. The two things I remember best about the whole episode are the grateful look Colby gave me when I said what I said about the wire, and the fact that nobody has ever gone too far again.

[kim]

aren't most gibbets constructed / set up outdoors as well...?

- in any case i'd choose a tree too...

[agentorange]

- in any case i'd choose a tree too...
I feel sexually harassed and threatened.

[JavaNoire]

I'd choose the firing squad, though like Colby I feel a little greenish 'over pondering it'...

[RunFaYaLife]

I'm still grossed out that Magpile even hinted that I would bother emailing her skanky ass. I hate her even more than BASE! Always have and always will.

*AHEM*

Shawn ..I saw the EZ/ email you sent her.....she posted it in my AIM box so we could laugh about it....it is probably still in her log files on her messenger.

OH and Choppo

Considering I used "my name" RickieLeeJones on the old RJ. the AW and here on the old Ross board...
OH yesssss....and on your crummy EZ board....until me and T_M(RA) discovered that you really are all that has been said about you..a crummy admin, who deleted or changed our posts....and let your trash poster's stand.

MY how short your memory is.........riiiiiiight.

MAN! If any of you or your trash board poster's lips are moving or your fingers typing..............You are LYING!

http://i1.tinypic.com/of7x1k.gif

[ADMIRAL]

The "quote" function is not working for me, so ......................



Re: post #50 --- 10x
"It seems a few will take it to real life.
Most do not."

Re: post #71 --- 10x
"Hmm still cant see what you did was wrong ehh cartman?"

Re: post #74 --- 10x
"Cartman do you realy belive your actions are right?"

Like you, Roy?
You had to stick you face into Wasa's business, didn't you, Roy?
You are nothing but a slimy, smarmy, hypocritical scum bucket ASSCLOWN :butt: :1jester: ....................














and a FUCKTARD. :1finger1:

[la gazza ladra]

I hate her even more than BASE! Always have and always will.


I guess I should be flattered. But I think you have over dramatized a situation which, if one were to do even a cursory overview, would yield about nothing. I have never had any exchange with you. You ezmailed me and that was it. I must be mighty powerful to evoke such hatred.


It is analogous to me declaring that I hate Hep more than whale, always have, always will.........oh wait!!! I don't know Hep.........oh that's right, well that is what you're saying.

[nettie]

the obscene posts that Nettie made in Spotless Rinse, which led to her banning.



The way I remember the story, I was banned from the Carwash due to the fact that I could not see myself allowing an inadequate and effete little dictatorial poltroon such as Chops to make demands upon me about anything - much less to which of his scummy fora I might address my objections regarding him and his trashy dumpster cronies.

I imagine he found my unwillingness to be so dictated to as "obscene," indeed.

Chops is notorious for surrounding himself with a cadre' of servile yes-women. (You may take that as intended, Shawn) His fragile sense of self efficacy requires no less.

I simply was not one of them ........... by a long shot.

[la gazza ladra]

obscene? nettie? not hardly.....I think I chided her for a minor anatomical usage once and she agreed she had gone too far.......if you are looking for obscene you can just stay at the wreckwash, homie don't play that.

As for when nettie and I had a convergence of thought........not exactly sure....it is blur now, but I think it had to do with what was worse.......whale is definitely worse than anything I can think of. If one were to hit the ground running, which is what happens with a lot of these arguments, you automatically take in the lies that the attic peeps and wreckwashers post. If you find out more, then you know it is all lies, and then you have to weed through the propaganda and the excuse making to garner what the approximate situation is. Not to mention the xmas massacre on the RJ.......but that is all water over the dam, the people involved have gotten over it and we have moved on, why do you guys care if we mended our fences? Are we to devolve back into the original argument so you have a reason for living????

[nettie]

Originally posted by Whale Spirit

And it's no sacrifice
Just a simple word
It's two hearts living
In two separate worlds
But it's no sacrifice
No sacrifice
It's no sacrifice at all


Cold, cold heart..........



__________________

[RunFaYaLife]

yep.......Whale lives in her own little world of lies and deceit, but that's OkaY......everybody likes her............there :1crazy:

blackheart the pathalogical liar would be more her speed....

[nettie]

The real truth that the disingenuous and duplicitous Nettie wants everyone to forget is that she was getting her ass kicked good and hard at TCW and tried every way possible to leave without looking like the utter moron she is. She finally accomplished her goal of getting banned by violating Chops' rule against making bash posts in the upper forums.



The real truth is that even though I was single-handedly taking on up to five or six lying dumpsters at a time - I always prevailed.........and the reason I prevailed is that I was the one dealing in the real truth.

If I failed to post (sometimes out of disgust - sometimes because of RL schedules) baiting posts calling me a coward were made in the hope of my return.(And, hey, let's face it - it was advantageous to Chops that I grace his putrid little board. His readership was never so great as during the time when I was backing Whale against the wall for being the low-class, trashy, small-minded hypocritical liar that she is.)


When I was there, Chop's (or maybe Whale's -who knows?) idea of fighting against my truths devolved into such tactics as screwing with my avatar, my signature, and the text of my posts.


In the end, as loathe as Chops had to have been to losing his readership - he really did have no other choice but to ban me. He stupidly gave me an ultimatum - one that I, no mistake about it, defied. Because this was all done publicly and because of the aforementioned fragile sense of self-efficacy on Chop's part, my banning was inevitible.

Whale says I tried every way possible to leave.

I say I did not endeavor to stay to the degree that I was willing to kiss anyone's ass in order that I might stay. I really did not care if I was allowed there or not. I was only there to face Whale and Nostra with their lies and deceptions. If I was not going to be allowed to do this in any honest or fair way on the part of Chops and his associates- so be it. Being there always did kind of make my skin crawl, anyway.

[nettie]

Chops sez:

And once again, Nettie, there is no such word as "self-efficacy". You really should stick to words of a syllable or two, since these frequent malapropisms of yours only serve to show you up as a flatulent fool.

And, once again, you are in error, Chops.

But, hey - what's new?


http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/self-efficacy.html

[nettie]

Chops sez:



And once again, Nettie, there is no such word as "self-efficacy". You really should stick to words of a syllable or two, since these frequent malapropisms of yours only serve to show you up as a flatulent fool.


And, once again, you are in error, Chops.

But, hey - what's new?



http://www.des.emory.edu/mfp/self-efficacy.html

[nettie]

Chops goes on:

She has made no comment regarding the lie in which I caught her.

My comment is that I stand behnd every word of my prior pst.

Of course you screwed with avatars and text.

Remember "I'm not wearing any underwear" ??

Not one of your more shining moments, I might add.........

Oh, wait - you have no shining moments. How could you possibly know the difference.

[nettie]

And on:

Nettie has posted a link at the Hole to the website of some child-development group that invented the word "self-efficacy". They take several pages to explain this word that they invented.



Chops has obviously never heard of Albert Bandura. (I don't think he is very well educated.)

Even so, a simple Google of the term "self-efficacy" will reveal that there are at least 2,120,000 references to this term on the net.


I guess this means that not only is Chops ignorant - it seems he might be just a little stupid, as well. :2headspin

[nettie]

And on and on:



In fact, when you objected to that title (blinkie) and requested another, I gave you the one you asked for. If you're claiming that I did anything else, that's yet another lie.

What really happened regarding that incident is that I refused to post to your board under those conditions and instead reported your activties elsewhere. Embarrassment that you had been exposed is what prompted you to desist with your scurrilous activity.

So no lie, there ........in fact, there is no lie in anything I am saying. You did everything I have said you did. And you know it.

[nettie]

Whale says:

You kept ranting that I was a liar.


Well, you are a liar. What the heck did you want me to say??

[nettie]

Again, Whale:



You used to lambaste and badmouth Magpie as you do me, but in the blink of an eye and because she backed you up in your silly lie, you became Magpie's new best friend.

Where do you get this stuff????

[uglimouse]

Re: " Self Efficacy"; I suppose the many scholars mentioned in your link, Nettie, (let alone the many other thousand references) are all dumb-asses. :rolleyes:

But what breadth-of -knowledge, indeed, can one expect from a dictatorial poltroon ?




(Thank-you, Nettie for such a delicious description...I'm having fun compiling my own "poltroon" list, and looking forward to rolling it off my tongue at the slightest provocation!)

[nettie]

Now Chops:

No, Nettie, you lie. I never altered your posts or your signature, as you have claimed.

Untrue.



He rambles on:

I extended basic courtesy to you as I did to others... It's churlish of you in the extreme to seek to portray my hospitality as anything but that.


Um, thanks for all the hospitality and courtesy - but, no thanks.






Why don't you want to talk about self-efficacy, anymore??? :2headspin

[la gazza ladra]

Hospitality and courtesy???? WTF? Is choppo Miss Manners now?


The wreckwash is a cage match venue, not the welcome wagon. choppo must have 'noyse envy' or something........talk about pompous lying asshats....

[nettie]

Now Shawn:

I believe it has something to do with her LONG ass siggy that stretched the board with every inane post that she made.

O, yes, Shawn I do believe that was it. I was hoping you would not recall that.

(And even if that wasn't it, I'm sure you will be able to "distinctly remember" somethng else. I'm imagine Chops will instruct you soon on what you "distinctly remember") So stand by.

Jesus!!

[RunFaYaLife]

Nettie
I say I did not endeavor to stay to the degree that I was willing to kiss anyone's ass in order that I might stay. I really did not care if I was allowed there or not. I was only there to face Whale and Nostra with their lies and deceptions. If I was not going to be allowed to do this in any honest or fair way on the part of Chops and his associates- so be it. Being there always did kind of make my skin crawl, anyway.

Ditto that Nettie


Chops goes on:


Quote:
She has made no comment regarding the lie in which I caught her.

Now Chops:


Quote:
No, Nettie, you lie. I never altered your posts or your signature, as you have claimed.

Nettie you need to read this thread....it is quite entertaining .....and an expose of sorts. :1crazy:

http://www.therossshow.com/showthread.php?t=4521

[nettie]

Nettie continues to call me a liar but has still never said what I'm supposed to have been lying about. She has always wanted me to meet her somewhere and bring $2,000, but she has never said what the terms of the meeting are supposed to be ...

You were invited numerous times to email me to solidfy details. You claimed you were afraid.

I'll just bet you were. $2,000 probably isn't exactly chump change to you. It isn't to me, either, but, then, I was not going to lose.

[nettie]

dictatorial poltroon

:1eek2:

Flowed off my fingertips like butter off a warm knife. Chops makes it sooooo easy.

[nettie]

Since we are now best friends, I would be remiss if I did not give Magpie a shout.

:8heartbea :1kiss1: :1kiss1:

(Hope that wasn't excessive, but I'm sure Whale would be disappointed with anything less. And I would hate to upset the big baleen.)

Now, as much as I would like to remain observing the goings-on at the Liar's Ball being held at the cardump, I have appointments I must keep.


Later, maybe???

[nettie]

Must make time for this before I go:

Chops:


Magpie, thanks -

I appreciate it, and I won't forget it.

Aww, how touching.


And I haven't either.


Because my word means something.

That is called integrity, Chops.

If you are intertested, you can find that in the dictionary. It would be located quite some bit before the listing for "self-efficacy."

Doesn't really matter which you look up first. Your chance of attaining either is about ZILCH.

[RunFaYaLife]

It has really gotten pathetic over there Nettie ......now Whale is posting a chat where we discussed spyware and Cartman's IP catcher... BIG wHOOP
It is not like EVERYBODY dosen't already know about all of that.
(duh)
I guess whale spirit is still smarting over her "lova" skunkymonkey/Nostradumazz being exposed...(51 ways to lose your lover)also now everyone more than gets "what" the stalker gang are really all about(well actually some have known it for years)......they themselves have proven that.


News Flash "WaIL"

The subject has already discussed extensively months ago on several boards
and chats you were not in(boo bad).
it is all OLD news....so go cry about it.
:1cryhard:

No one cares.
:2slampan:

[RunFaYaLife]

Oh and BTW "WAIL" it looks like you left out(as usual) a significant part of that chat......I am the one who said "go for it" or something to that effect about the IP catcher....Demello wasn't doing shit....so ya gotta do what ya gotta do......and man it worked out GREAT! :1crazy:

[RunFaYaLife]

It's not about the tracker, moron. The point is Magpie's lies. She lied about not knowing about the tracker just as she lies about everything.

Whale_DUH babeeeee...all anyone has to do is read the snd chat you posted.....you know the one under your firsr set of edited bullshit?
to grasp how much me OR LaGazz/RA really care.

Bitter Much?
http://i1.tinypic.com/oi6smq.gif


Got your leetle "cold cold heart" broken by the dumAZZ did ya? I have to gve ole skanky this she could not have come up with a more approiate ID for herself....it must be have been her 'inner being' speaking to her. :1crazy:

So Whale ....are you the Indian, the cop or the fireman over there at "the village"?

http://i1.tinypic.com/oi6vjl.gif

[nettie]

Whale says:

Now I offered to meet Nettie after she had implied that I was fat. I offered to meet her in Cape May in September. I said that I would bring a scale and that she could weigh herself on it first.

The terms were that if I weighed no more than 115 pounds, she would have to pay me $2,000.

She declined.

But I gave her particulars. I told her exactly what the meeting would be about. I gave a place and time. Still she declined.



Whale, I wonder if you would be agreeable to supplying verification of the above alleged happenings via copies of post and ezmails? Please be sure to indicate times and order of these "occurences."

[Momom]

sorry for this....

trying to follow this story.. :2headspin

Is Wales Spirit...the same as Josey Wales/ Pale Rider?

:1clap3:

[nettie]

No, Momom.

Whale is Whale Spirit, from the Carwash Forums.

A different person from Josey Wales/ Pale Rider.

[Momom]

ok, thanks nettie.

[nettie]

Oh, come off it, Nettie, you slimy 'ol thing. You're not seriously trying to pretend you've already forgotten what happened last summer at TCW, a public board, are you?

I haven't forgotten a thing.


Now, if you please..........documentation of the events referred to in the following post including the order of their alleged occurence:


Now I offered to meet Nettie after she had implied that I was fat. I offered to meet her in Cape May in September. I said that I would bring a scale and that she could weigh herself on it first.

The terms were that if I weighed no more than 115 pounds, she would have to pay me $2,000.

She declined.

But I gave her particulars. I told her exactly what the meeting would be about. I gave a place and time. Still she declined.

[nettie]

Btw, it says everything about you that you're trying to pretend you don't remember turning down my offer to meet you in Cape May.


I have not forgotten thing.

Your Cape May dillio had nothing to do with my challenge to you.

Rather it was a manipulation, on your part, to save yourself embarrassment over the fact that you are too cowardly to meet me under my terms. You tried to make cute and turn the tables.

It did not work.


BTW, my challenge stands, even to this day..

[nettie]

Whale:

You're right. What's the point? She can go fuck herself.

Smother, you loathsome bitch.

You've shown me clearly exactly what you are.


So once again, Whale weasels out...........

Why am I not surprised?

It is what she always has done when her back is against the wall to the point that she has no room to "operate" - and no other option except to wish to God for a big gaffer hook to appear from stage left, interrupting her tapdance and jerking her offstage and into oblivion. :1rotfl1: :1rotfl1:

[agentorange]

Chopsbuster realizes how foolish and irrelevant whale's cut and pastes are, he's embarassed by it, and he tried to muzzle her. He only wants outrageous, earth-shattering lies and harassment on his board, not the sort of thing whale is offering at the moment.

Still enraged over the tracker that busted them all, exposing their deeds for all to see. They should be angry at themselves, obviously, for hadn't they been lying, deceiving, moling, stalking, harassing, libeling, and bashing innocent people on the attic, there'd never have been a tracker installed to expose it in the first place, for they'd be nothing to expose.

I love that tracker. I am proud of it. If I had it to do over again, I'd install it in a heartbeat. Cartman gave it to me, and I installed it. Whoever else witnessed bits and bobs of discussions about it, who gives a crap? Did TM or Rikki know that I installed it beforehand? WHO CARES! The truth is, I made no announcement to anyone besides cartman. Like I said, any discussion regarding trackers or cartman's version that I later installed that was overheard by a third party was merely pieces, and it was just talk. Rikki knew of the tracker's existance, but didn't know when or if I had installed it until I later caught my fish.

All of them, some of you, really need lives. Or better reasons to argue. Honestly, I skip over all of whaleliars posts but tonight I noticed she was on a cut and pasting spree, like she had just learned how to perform such magic, and it was mildly amusing, but now 10 minutes later, it's already old.

[Cyber Diva]

Or the ditzy get loopier...

THe NoyseyDivas contacted my employer with a ridiculous cease & desist bit o tripe. The DemonicDuo never changes. FLING it all out & mebbe something will hit...

They are accusing me of adversely affecting Diva's health...harming their businesses, undermining their standing in the online community, conspiring to drive em out of business & a*hemsexually harassing Diva. There's more I'm sure, all of it equally original & *worthy*.

Have you seen a picture of Diva? A pretty woman, IMO, but she looks both timorous & chilly. Noyse seems so bloodless & about as juicy as sawdust. Not exactly my cuppa lust.

Vulgarity does unsettle em(shrug)Several of my posts were (deservedly)vulgar. Perhaps that's why they failed to comprehend what was written. (Naturally Noyse couldn't resist an artful edit here & there...such as deleting references to his unwlcome & obscene advances in LC)

They're looking nastier & sleazier with every slither.


My, another thread dedicated to the subject of JavaNoire. JavaNoire is lying, again, however.

The lawfully served Cease & Desist notice was 100% factual, although 100% ignored by JavaNoire, it was properly served on her employer.

:2slampan:

[biondobabe]

Good grief! Were you just let out?




I'm just asking cause it TOOK YOU NEARLY 6 MONTHS TO RESPOND. :2gamecock

[sadie999]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h187/ladytrue_99/rolling.gif

[The Kings Noyse]

http://networkstalking.org/nucleus/index.php?catid=10&blogid=1

[kim]

gee - you're right on top of things...

btw - i really really really don't like puzzlegoddess - but - that is really really shitty of you putting up her address and telephone number online...

as well as info on others...

also - i am aware of the stupid shit she - (puzzlegoddes) - said about me recently - and - i don't care at all...

so the fuck what...

- you all really need to get a freaking life...

[confusers]

Well, I think this was the shittiest thing I've ever seen anyone do online, next to Cartman, but then again, we are talking about the shittiest people around -- the Hastings, are we not? Why don't do the OAI a favor and play in traffic or something. Assholes! :2slampan: The 2 of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Accusing Java of Sexual Harassment isn't even close to the truth. Pond scum...both of you.

[Cyber Diva]

Well, I think this was the shittiest thing I've ever seen anyone do online, next to Cartman, but then again, we are talking about the shittiest people around -- the Hastings, are we not? Why don't do the OAI a favor and play in traffic or something. Assholes! :2slampan: The 2 of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Accusing Java of Sexual Harassment isn't even close to the truth. Pond scum...both of you.

No FOD (yes, your secret's been out lol). As usual, you don't know what you're talking about...but have fun spinning the pages, and posting our last names, while pretending you've got your rights to do so, anonymously.

Javanoire has taken great care to conceal her true identity from her many online victims over the years, while savagely destroying the peace and privacy of others at will. The following posts were made by JavaNoire while hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, and thus free once again to spin a wild web of almost inconceivable deception without any consequence to herself, or so she thought. Her allegations are utter fabrication, pure sham, as will be evidenced when the actual archived chat is reproduced below; but her fantastic, malignant, and salacious misrepresentations will be presented first, in order that the full impact is felt, that the depth and magnitude of this person's astonishingly depraved dishonesty can be grasped. Javanoire herein demonstrates her true value and importance as a gang stalking member, one capable of promulgating any manner of libelous testimony concerning her targets, and one is not likely to encounter a more fearless and accomplished liar than this in an entire lifetime.

http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=83393&postcount=718

[Powerhouse]

No FOD (yes, your secret's been out lol). As usual, you don't know what you're talking about...but have fun spinning the pages, and posting our last names, while pretending you've got your rights to do so, anonymously.

Confusers = FOD??? Now I am confused. :2gamecock

[The Kings Noyse]

Why don't do the OAI a favor and play in traffic or something. Assholes! The 2 of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Accusing Java of Sexual Harassment isn't even close to the truth. Pond scum...both of you.
Involvement with OAI has destroyed many lives, and it can burn to its foundations, for all I care. It's full of useless, foolish, damaged people just like you, who act when they should consider, and speak when they should listen.

Accusing the guilty is always in good form, and there is never any shame in this. Unlike the thing you would defend, we don't accuse lightly, and what we've said is all true.

That goes for both of you.

[confusers]

Involvement with OAI has destroyed many lives, and it can burn to its foundations, for all I care. It's full of useless, foolish, damaged people just like you, who act when they should consider, and speak when they should listen.

Accusing the guilty is always in good form, and there is never any shame in this. Unlike the thing you would defend, we don't accuse lightly, and what we've said is all true.

That goes for both of you.

LoopyLorraine's got it wrong again, Mike.

And Aaron, you are part of the problem with "destroy[ing] lives", so why don't you crawl back into your little hole and leave people alone. You and your little insane wife are the ones who are useless, foolish and damaged, IMO.

[Cyber Diva]

piece of info:

http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=96554&postcount=13

JavaNoire said, "They made a bogus report attempting to get an eBay ID of mine NARU. "

This is JavaNoire too: *cyber*diva*( 12) Shouldn't she have explained to the other person, the name of the eBay ID she used, which eBay had to question? (and update their records concerning her CI?)

She's now admitted her goal's been to get "diva" off the internet. [an odd goal] A review of her posts on eBay will also show her signing as "The One and Only Diva." "The True Diva." etc.

It was most important to this particular gang-stalker to post as Diva, to libel, taunt, insult, harass, and flaunt her anonymity, in this way.

---------------------
See JavaNoire account on eBay: [member-to-member communications are telling, too]

*cyber*diva*( 12) 2 years 7 months IA, US

User ID Effective Date End Date
*cyber*diva* Jan-09-04 Present
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=96569&postcount=17

JavaNoire said, "How's this for disingenuous?...They claim that b/c of her online business Diva can't leave the internet. (I'm trying to force her off according to them). Uhh, yeah, that's true. No argument here."
-----------------------------
How's that for disingenuous, indeed!

Here's more interesting info on the "concerned ebayer"....

http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=96706&postcount=76

02-22-2006, 06:58 PM
JavaNoire
Rossite Archdeacon

Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 321

Cart, it's simplistic to like someone based on who they like/dislike. Then too, many on these boards are notoriously fickle. Their quicksand loyalties shift & morf at whim, it seems. How can you keep it all straight?

Nettie, if Shawn's typing, he's lying. Anything he says would be suspect if it was given more than a scant glance. I don't bother wondering if what he says is true b/c *everything* he says is wholly unreliable. I'm surely not the only one who discounts his allegations as quickly as I read em.

Taking it too far is nothing new, really. My neighbor posted to extremist political boards. He urged me to read the various diatribes. They were booooooring beyond belief but the board dynamics were hilarious. Starkly black & white, they were without nuance, subtlety or shading. You were either a beloved friend or a reviled enemy. In the course of the ongoing battles a *beloved friend* might cross the party line & express opposing views on abortion, gun control, home schooling etc. ALL HELL would bust out since it was now apparent that the (recently)beloved friend was a scheming, scum slurping enemy extraordinaire who had deceived & double crossed all who were good.

These cyberbrawls had acrimony to spare. Hacking one anothers computers was a common revenge by the most extreme of 'em. They'd post pages of righteous justification & excuses ad nauseum. It was of course only acceptable when it was done to the other guy.

Taking it too far is nothing new, really. My neighbor posted to extremist political boards. He urged me to read the various diatribes. They were booooooring beyond belief but the board dynamics were hilarious. "


"You were either a beloved friend or a reviled enemy. In the course of the ongoing battles a *beloved friend* might cross the party line & express opposing views on abortion, gun control, home schooling etc. "

"ALL HELL would bust out "

"These cyberbrawls had acrimony to spare. Hacking one anothers computers was a common revenge [DDoS attacks] by the most extreme of 'em. They'd post pages of righteous justification ..."


*Wow! Home schooling challenges even got you on a list! Imagine that. Did she tell it to her local PD when she filed all her FALSE REPORTS on so many innocent peeps? FOD, you and your peep are so much a like, it's no surprise now why you're still "e-friends." lol Remember our very first letter, FOD? Now... wasn't that a hoot? It truely demonstrated "friendship" & what is REL in this world.

Case closed!!

Taa Taa! :1chirol_c

[Cyber Diva]

correction:

truely= truly
REL = REAL

:1hug1:

Bye bye Fully Operation Deathstar (Star Chamber lol)

[The Kings Noyse]

And Aaron, you are part of the problem with "destroy[ing] lives", so why don't you crawl back into your little hole and leave people alone. You and your little insane wife are the ones who are useless, foolish and damaged, IMO.
Really? Well then, in that case you won't have any difficulty demonstrating just how I've done that. Right, genius? Just remember, as you're stuggling to cogitate, that defensive actions, such as smacking supercilious bullies silly, embarassing depraved Internet liars by reproducing their own vile poison, and exposing anonymous, aggressive stalkers and calling them to account, don't count.

In your bizarre world, the burglar who gets hit with a frying pan when he's climbing through my window is now the victim, but I say he or she got what was deserved. I've never approved of causeless aggression or the lowlife that bring it to others, but I have no problem whatsoever with anyone adopting purely legal means in response. If you and your little knuckle-dragging friends wish to be "left alone" then my advice is to leave others alone.

See how that works? :1kiss1:

[Cyber Diva]

:ukiyo1: confusers always say...blah blah blah :sm1167:I'm not FOD... lol
A little bit of "Ross Show" trivia for a general audience's entertainment... :1kool1-ai

http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=7491&postcount=13
08-16-2005, 03:59 PM: I agree, Diva. That was disgusting. Blech.
http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=8226&postcount=15
08-19-2005, 04:27 AM: "confusers" is FOD, and shall be removed from this board as an anonymous slips through the cracks ID if Ross knows what's good for him. Perhaps a little IP match game? FOD, don't be shy you fucked up little troll whore, use your main identity to stalk and harass. Why are you afraid? Fucking worthless loser.
http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=8299&postcount=16
08-19-2005, 10:59 AM: I am not FOD. I followed this link from another board when they were talking about the new R0ss opening up.
http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=8654&postcount=20
08-20-2005, 12:30 PM: Hi confusers, NOT FOD!
:1bradquac


LOL @ Cartman! :1neko2:


http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=8668&postcount=21
08-20-2005, 01:27 PM: Hello CyberDiva. :1clap:

The driver's playing folk music...for the kids, all aboard...lol :busmoon:

[10x]

= FOD ROTFLMAO

[confusers]

You are really a piece of work, Lorraine. You think it's okay to post people's CI as long as you aren't under a sock? You make me laugh. I'm telling you that I'm not FOD. That's a fact. Just because Base says I am, doesn't make it so. Get some help for this paranoia problem of yours.

[The Kings Noyse]

You are really a piece of work, Lorraine. You think it's okay to post people's CI as long as you aren't under a sock? You make me laugh. I'm telling you that I'm not FOD. That's a fact. Just because Base says I am, doesn't make it so. Get some help for this paranoia problem of yours.
Then why don't you just prove you're not FOD by coming out from behind your little mask and telling us who you "really" are? Why are you so afraid? What are you hiding? Do you put "confusers at The Ross Show" with a link on your business card? Is this the name on your telephone bill? How funny is that? What makes you think you can toss my full name around while sneaking about in the dark like a filthy cockroach?

And let's be clear: I haven't published anyone's contact information, as you have so carelessly misrepresented. A person's true name is not contact information. Of course, your crew has been passing around my contact information and that of others privately since you've been on these forums, but you don't have a problem with that; do you? In your twisted morality, which is simply depravity parading as virtue, sharing a person's address, telephone numbers, surveillance photos, maps to their home, details about their business, business history, information concerning their religion, and other details, is all perfectly okay, but publishing a vicious miscreant's true name, along with their anonymously published droppings, thereby making it difficult for that aggressor to continue his or her aggression, is just so shocking and deplorable to you. Clearly, you have no sense of proportion, and no concept of justice. Anonymity is not a right; it is a privilege, and those that abuse the privilege shall lose it.

I announced six months ago right here that anyone that makes it their busines to anonymously stalk, harass, or libel Diva and I, or others, or that otherwise interferes in our lives or with our business, will lose their anonymity, and rightly so, by having their true identities uncovered and published along with their heinous remarks. Everyone was warned, and we waited quite a long time before taking any action, and every action we have taken at any time has been lawful; so those that have been so exposed have nothing to complain of at this late date, and their anonymous defenders, like you, have even less.

Confusers confuses no one but himeslef.

Link (http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=95441&postcount=51)
NEW RULE: I will make it a priority to ascertain and then to publish (elsewhere, of course) the real identity of ANYONE that attempts to libel or stalk or harass us (Lady Diva and myself) anonymously.

NB: We're rather thick-skinned, so don't take this to mean mere criticism or unflattering expressions of opinion. After all, what is the Internet for if not for libelling other people? No, this refers to chronic, malignant abuse by aggressive, hateful stalkers made foolhardy and smug by the great effort and care they've undertaken to conceal themselves at a safe distance from which they can snipe without consequence. Such miscreants deserve to be uncovered, and so they shall.

[Powerhouse]

Confusers confuses no one but himeslef.




Ah... I wouldn't be too sure about that, Doc. :1chirol_r

[The Kings Noyse]

There, there. It''s only a ttttttypo; nothing to fffffear.

[confusers]

Then why don't you just prove you're not FOD by coming out from behind your little mask and telling us who you "really" are? Why are you so afraid? What are you hiding? Do you put "confusers at The Ross Show" with a link on your business card? Is this the name on your telephone bill? How funny is that? What makes you think you can toss my full name around while sneaking about in the dark like a filthy cockroach?

So by your LoopyLogic you must have The Kings Noyse on your telephone bill, too? How funny is that?

And let's be clear: I haven't published anyone's contact information, as you have so carelessly misrepresented. A person's true name is not contact information.

Then why do you get all up in arms over your name being published? You deflect, bend and deceive, in hopes of others beliving your bullshit. Most of these people know who and exactly what you are. A paranoid, deceitful person, so don't try to fool anyone here. They're not as dumb as you represent.

Of course, your crew has been passing around my contact information and that of others privately since you've been on these forums, but you don't have a problem with that; do you?

Your paranoia is getting the best of you. Time for a vacation.

[...sharing a person's address, telephone numbers, surveillance photos, maps to their home, details about their business, business history, information concerning their religion, and other details, is all perfectly okay, but publishing a vicious miscreant's true name, along with their anonymously published droppings, thereby making it difficult for that aggressor to continue his or her aggression, is just so shocking and deplorable to you.

No, it is not alright to do that. Where do you see me saying that?

I announced six months ago right here that anyone that makes it their busines to anonymously stalk, harass, or libel Diva and I, or others, or that otherwise interferes in our lives or with our business, will lose their anonymity, and rightly so, by having their true identities uncovered and published along with their heinous remarks. Everyone was warned, and we waited quite a long time before taking any action, and every action we have taken at any time has been lawful; so those that have been so exposed have nothing to complain of at this late date, and their anonymous defenders, like you, have even less.

Dude, get a grip. This is a chat board. We chat. It's what we do. You are taking this to an entirely different level. If you don't like what you read and don't want others to reply to you, shut your trap. You are against the very thing that you are doing to others. That makes you a hypocrite. Period.

Confusers confuses no one but himeslef.

And "himeslef" is free to express his opinion. What gives you the god-given right to demand anything of anybody on these boards when you, yourself, make it a point to publish CI/PI, PMs, and the like? Now STFU and go back to your little fantasy world where FReepers abound. You fit in perfectly, Aaron.

[The Kings Noyse]

<i>So by your LoopyLogic you must have The Kings Noyse on your telephone bill, too? How funny is that?</i>

No, Larry. You see, unlike you, I let others know that I am The Kings Noyse; I never hid, trembling behind a sock, as you are right now. <b>BIG difference.</b>

<i>why do you get all up in arms over your name being published? You deflect, bend and deceive, in hopes of others beliving your bullshit. Most of these people know who and exactly what you are. A paranoid, deceitful person, so don't try to fool anyone here. They're not as dumb as you represent.</i>

Have you bothered even to tell ANYONE here your real identity, or is that your whole schtick with "confusers"? Pathetic.

The truth is you're too dull to engage in any meaningful discourse concerning anything that actually matters, so you invent this silly cloak and dagger nonsense and imagine your some kind of secret spy, when you're just an overgrown adolescent.

And who's "up in arms?" Certainly not me. I stated my position very clearly right here last February, and I've acted accordingly. If there's an hysterical lunatic with a problem here, it's not me.

[...sharing a person's address, telephone numbers, surveillance photos, maps to their home, details about their business, business history, information concerning their religion, and other details, is all perfectly okay, but publishing a vicious miscreant's true name, along with their anonymously published droppings, thereby making it difficult for that aggressor to continue his or her aggression, is just so shocking and deplorable to you] <i>No, it is not alright to do that. Where do you see me saying that?</i>

Perhaps there is hope for you. You see, by defending the miscreants I've had need to expose, you did implicitly approve of the very misdeeds which have resulted in the pages you've complained of. But now it seems that perhaps you did not know what evils they had done which have forced me to deal with them as I have. In that case, perhaps now you understand.

<i>Dude, get a grip. This is a chat board. We chat. It's what we do. You are taking this to an entirely different level. If you don't like what you read and don't want others to reply to you, shut your trap. You are against the very thing that you are doing to others. That makes you a hypocrite. Period.</i>

Yeah, sure it is. And the eBay "Help" forums are a nice place where folks can drop in and get all kinds of helpful assistance from friendly, helpful, dedicated members of the community. No one ever takes their "chatting" seriously, and even if they did, they'd never take their disputes offline into the so-called real world.

Tell me about the wabbits.

<i>And "himeslef" is free to express his opinion. What gives you the god-given right to demand anything of anybody on these boards when you, yourself, make it a point to publish CI/PI, PMs, and the like? Now STFU and go back to your little fantasy world where FReepers abound. You fit in perfectly, Aaron.</i>

So you are "free to express [your] opinion," whereas I must "now STFU" on the say so of "confusers," an anonymous sock puppet being used by Larry Tubby FOD as a hiding id. Somehow, expressing my opinion "makes me a hypocrite," living in a "fantasy world," which is quite distinct from your normal world of harmless chatters, who always take care that the contact information they distribute is transmitted privately and not publicly. <img src="http://alans-libel-lounge.com/img/econs/lol.gif" border="0">

I think you are the one that needs to get a grip, Larry. Whether published or privately communicated, the effect is the same, and 'hypocrite' is the term for those that imagine there is a difference.

[The Kings Noyse]

So by your LoopyLogic you must have The Kings Noyse on your telephone bill, too? How funny is that?

No, Larry. You see, unlike you, I let others know that I am The Kings Noyse; I never hid, trembling behind a sock, as you are right now. BIG difference.

why do you get all up in arms over your name being published? You deflect, bend and deceive, in hopes of others beliving your bullshit. Most of these people know who and exactly what you are. A paranoid, deceitful person, so don't try to fool anyone here. They're not as dumb as you represent.

Have you bothered even to tell ANYONE here your real identity, or is that your whole schtick with "confusers"? Pathetic.

The truth is you're too dull to engage in any meaningful discourse concerning anything that actually matters, so you invent this silly cloak and dagger nonsense and imagine your some kind of secret spy, when you're just an overgrown adolescent.

And who's "up in arms?" Certainly not me. I stated my position very clearly right here last February, and I've acted accordingly. If there's an hysterical lunatic with a problem here, it's not me.

[...sharing a person's address, telephone numbers, surveillance photos, maps to their home, details about their business, business history, information concerning their religion, and other details, is all perfectly okay, but publishing a vicious miscreant's true name, along with their anonymously published droppings, thereby making it difficult for that aggressor to continue his or her aggression, is just so shocking and deplorable to you] No, it is not alright to do that. Where do you see me saying that?

Perhaps there is hope for you. You see, by defending the miscreants I've had need to expose, you did implicitly approve of the very misdeeds which have resulted in the pages you've complained of. But now it seems that perhaps you did not know what evils they had done which have forced me to deal with them as I have. In that case, perhaps now you understand.

Dude, get a grip. This is a chat board. We chat. It's what we do. You are taking this to an entirely different level. If you don't like what you read and don't want others to reply to you, shut your trap. You are against the very thing that you are doing to others. That makes you a hypocrite. Period.

Yeah, sure it is. And the eBay "Help" forums are a nice place where folks can drop in and get all kinds of helpful assistance from friendly, helpful, dedicated members of the community. No one ever takes their "chatting" seriously, and even if they did, they'd never take their disputes offline into the so-called real world.

Tell me about the wabbits.

And "himeslef" is free to express his opinion. What gives you the god-given right to demand anything of anybody on these boards when you, yourself, make it a point to publish CI/PI, PMs, and the like? Now STFU and go back to your little fantasy world where FReepers abound. You fit in perfectly, Aaron.

So you are "free to express [your] opinion," whereas I must "now STFU" on the say so of "confusers," an anonymous sock puppet being used by Larry Tubby FOD as a hiding id. Somehow, expressing my opinion "makes me a hypocrite," living in a "fantasy world," which is quite distinct from your normal world of harmless chatters, who always take care that the contact information they distribute is transmitted privately and not publicly. <img src="http://alans-libel-lounge.com/img/econs/lol.gif" border="0">

I think you are the one that needs to get a grip, Larry. Whether published or privately communicated, the effect is the same, and 'hypocrite' is the term for those that imagine there is a difference.

[The Kings Noyse]

Well, I think this was the shittiest thing I've ever seen anyone do online, next to Cartman, but then again, we are talking about the shittiest people around -- the Hastings
C'Mon, the Geists are the shittiest by far, and everybody knows it. :1apileoff

What Cartman did was both necessary and appropriate, and his action was quite effective in dealing with a persistent, virulent troll who was abusing government resources on the government clock to harass innocent people online. That was wrong, and Cartman ended that particular troll's reign of terror in one brilliant move. The troll was forced into hiding, even pretending to have changed jobs. Therefore, Cartman should be commended for his community service and for his courage in standing up to the cacophony of simpletons and deceivers (which includes you, FOD) who want to defend their "right" to anonymously stalk, harass, and libel others. :1chirol_c

And Aaron, you are part of the problem with "destroy[ing] lives", so why don't you crawl back into your little hole and leave people alone.
So, Larry, you think it's a problem that I've published the first and last names of lying, anonymous trolls, but right here in this thread you are posting my first and last name; yet you call me a hypocrite. I don't see anything wrong in what I have done, but clearly you do. Evidently, you imagine yourself a not so shitty person because you sneak around and use my last name in one post and then my first name in the next, instead of just putting them both together as I have. Now that's rather shitty thinking on your part; isn't it?

If you want to see the face of a rank hypocrite, Larry, just take a look in the mirror. Take a good look.

[JavaNoire]

The lawfully served Cease & Desist notice was 100% factual, although 100% ignored by JavaNoire, it was properly served on her employer.It was 100% fictional. That was immediately obvious to everyone I care about & very soon apparent to my employer & the authorities. The intention to maliciously harass was transparent. Deceiving innocents such as my daughter & her grandma was glaring proof of how low they are & how far they'll go in their absurd & ugly games.

She's now admitted her goal's been to get "diva" off the internet. Sighhhhhh. Wrong & BIG surprise there. I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt. I believe they were so trippin over themselves eager to see what they wanted, that what I actually *acknowledged* eluded 'em. FTR, my *complete* post stated, "How's this for disingenuous?...They claim that b/c of her online business Diva can't leave the internet. (I'm trying to force her off according to them). Uhh, yeah, that's true. No argument here. BUT can't she conduct her business without posting to TRS, TCW, RJ etc? How fucking lame is that? Gawd, they're thick."

I'm trying to force them off is in parentheses b/c it's tangential to what I'm saying. What I'm agreeing with when I stated, Uhh, yeah, that's true. No argument here, is the statement, They claim that b/c of her online business Diva can't leave the internet. This is obvious to those with even mediocre comprehension skills when I further state, BUT can't she conduct her business without posting to TRS, TCW, RJ etc? How fucking lame is that?

I don't have any affect on whether or not Diva posts to these discussion boards. Seriously. Despite her woe is me hand wringing here she is(again). Her lack of welcome at TCW can't be laid on me. She's been permitted to relentlessly troll me on SD, which is fine. It's a small price to pay to keep boards relatively open & available to all.

I assuredly do NOT have any affect on her internet business presence. That they can even pretend that I do, shows them to be deluded &/or dishonest &/or foolish.

from PC Goddess: Uh, why are ppl so cruel to each other on these boards? Does this have roots in the OL auction business? Or is it just the way it is?I dunno. I do know I don't care how cruel people on the net are to me. I do expect them to show the simple civility & good breeding to stay the fuck away from my RL.

IMO, interference with another's OL business *is* RL interference, btw. Never done such a thing & never will. Not to them. Not to anybody. As you might have noticed, theArts are looong on accusations but there's not so much as a smidgeon of evidence provided to back up their allegations of the crimes I've spozedly committed against them.

Borrowing from the Admiral...What a righteous pair of jackaninnys they are. How sweet they found each other.

[boardbimbo]

IMO, interference with another's OL business *is* RL interference, btw.

Of course it is. Anything that prevents the bills from getting paid is RL interference.

[confusers]

C'Mon, the Geists are the shittiest by far, and everybody knows it. :1apileoff

What Cartman did was both necessary and appropriate, and his action was quite effective in dealing with a persistent, virulent troll who was abusing government resources on the government clock to harass innocent people online. That was wrong, and Cartman ended that particular troll's reign of terror in one brilliant move. The troll was forced into hiding, even pretending to have changed jobs. Therefore, Cartman should be commended for his community service and for his courage in standing up to the cacophony of simpletons and deceivers (which includes you, FOD) who want to defend their "right" to anonymously stalk, harass, and libel others. :1chirol_c


So, Larry, you think it's a problem that I've published the first and last names of lying, anonymous trolls, but right here in this thread you are posting my first and last name; yet you call me a hypocrite. I don't see anything wrong in what I have done, but clearly you do. Evidently, you imagine yourself a not so shitty person because you sneak around and use my last name in one post and then my first name in the next, instead of just putting them both together as I have. Now that's rather shitty thinking on your part; isn't it?

If you want to see the face of a rank hypocrite, Larry, just take a look in the mirror. Take a good look.

Do you realize how ridiculous you look, Aaron? Would it make you feel better if I used your first and last night in the same post instead of 2 different posts? The Battle of Hastings is not yet over, honeybunch. Hee hee hee :1chirol_c

Run along now. I think I hear your loopy wife calling.

[confusers]

And speaking of trembling behind a sock, it appears you've had a number yourself over the years. So remind me...who's calling who a hypocrite again? :2slampan:

:2headspin

[The Kings Noyse]

It was 100% fictional...She's been permitted to relentlessly troll me on SD, which is fine.
The documentary record demonstrates otherwise. Every statement made to the ICPD and to the VA (separate packages) is factual and correct and has been documented to a legal standard of proof based on a preonderance of the evidence, or higher. Moreover, the author of the above statement did relentlessly libel Diva and her business for months on SD, virtually without redress, before any effective action was undertaken to make it stop. Any statement to the contrary is patently absurd and is false.

interference with another's OL business *is* RL interference, btw. Never done such a thing & never will. Not to them. Not to anybody.
The last three sentences of the last quoted statement are false. In most of the business interference Diva has experienced on eBay, the author of the above statement and other JG&W associates have been mysteriously ever present, and linkage has been established in a number of important cases. There exists sufficient evidence to support this modest claim, and those that imagine otherwise should not become too complacent in their delusion.

Most participants on these eBay-related forums share a common weakness, which is the inability to sit on unripe information. Instead, they feel the uncontrollable urge, much like a small child in a candy store with a dollar in his pocket, to "spend" it. Not us. For everything, there is a season, and we are extremely patient. Premature disclosure minimizes the result, not unlike a farmer eating his seeds, rather than planting them and waiting for the harvest.

The first sentence of the last quoted statement is accurate. There is a direct correlation between online abuse and real world consequences, and increasingly, the laws which govern us are being modified and interpreted to reflect this reality. It's time everyone realize that online life is very much a part of real life, and those that seek to establish an artificial distinction usually have some untoward reason for doing so.

It is somewhat encouraging to note that the author of the last quoted statement now recognizes that interference with the online business of another is wrong. One hopes this translates into reformed action, and that the thousands that have been exposed to the hundreds, if not thousands, of libellous and inflammatory remarks by the same author concerning various legitimate online businesses somehow will find this hidden statement, and thereby possibly be moved to refrain from engaging in acts of interference they might otherwise have been incited to commit after hearing only this author's defamation without the above caveat.

More Here (http://alans-libel-lounge.com/nucleus/index.php?catid=17&blogid=1)

[The Kings Noyse]

Would it make you feel better if I used your first and last night in the same post instead of 2 different posts?
It makes no difference to me; either way, your hypocrisy is equally demonstrated, for you are the one whining about the posting of members' full names, not I. If you are so much against my doing this, then how can you justify doing the same thing to me in this very thread? That's right; you can't.

The Battle of Hastings is not yet over, honeybunch. Hee hee hee
That sounds like a threat, Larry. Just a word of advice: Before you embark on the next round of abuse, I suggest you take stock of the liability already accumulated, which is considerable.

[Steamcleaner]

That sounds like a threat, Larry.
You just don't get it do you Noyse? That isn't FOD. The rest of your statements are equally flawed.

:hazmat:

[The Kings Noyse]

That isn't FOD. The rest of your statements are equally flawed.
Hey, I like that! Flawed FOD. Is that a Turisk dish? A bit redundant, I'll grant you, but when we're talking about none other than the Grand Poobah of Confusers, one can't be too careful. http://alans-libel-lounge.com/img/econs/costumed.gif

FOD may like to pass that ID around to some of his innder circle at the Divide, like Little and Crazy*Cop, but most of the time you can be sure it's Flawed FOD. http://alans-libel-lounge.com/img/econs/lol.gif

[The Kings Noyse]

Better make that Krazy_Kop from the inner circle. :1bonk1:

[The Kings Noyse]

I see that Mary Little from the FOD Squad is having a hissy fit :1tantrum: over the 'confusers' sock being exposed. FOD (posting as himself) has virtually nothing to say on the matter...

When will these people ever tire of darning their stinking holey, moldy socks and just get real? :2headspin

[confusers]

Yo Noise, you're a moron. I hope you didn't miss me too much. I was away on business.

Moron. :1chirol_r

[The Kings Noyse]

Flawed FOD's back. :1kiss1:

[Cyber Diva]

Artrenditions.com (Aaron Hastings) started a thread on eBay's Trust & Safety which JavaNoire the stalker quickly joined. She went over there to make contact with the person who happened to be favorable towards Aaron. She used eBay's member to member system to initiate the contact. Here's the URL (eBay's since removed the thread which contained 23 pages):

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=2000208715&start=680



Time For Some Changes...
artrenditions.com (22 View Listings | Report
Aug-28-06 00:48 PDT

Imagine a jewelry store on Main Street, with patrons coming in and out throughout the day. Now imagine that the proprietor's competitor, the pawn shop owner from just down the street, comes up with the clever idea of hiring a sympathetic-looking goon to stand outside this proprietor's store for the sole purpose of "assisting buyers" as they leave his premises. Each customer is told the same sordid tale, about how this "witness" was "ripped off" by the merchant inside, how this store sells "inferior goods," how they "overcharge their customers," and how the products are "not as described." Tell me, how long before the police would be summoned and that goon carted away? How long before the competitor behind this unfair competition was detected and sued?

Obviously, such disruptive business interference wouldn't be tolerated for long in that case, but then, that's Main Street, and this, after all, is e-Street, where literally anyone can contact anyone else under a cloak of almost complete anonymity, where ill-motivated strangers can libel anyone they please with impunity, and where, if a scoundrel is clever enough, he or she can continue disrupting the legitimate businesses of others undetected for months, possibly even years. On e-Street, unfair competition evidently is so easy and so difficult to contain that for the unscrupulous, it's a temptation impossible to resist.

When caught or questioned, they don their purple capes and claim immunity as indispensable "net cops," blithely pointing to the "rampant fraud" that exists here on eBay, and to the "fact" that eBay is either unable or unwilling to do anything about it, often suggesting that, motivated by greed, eBay secretly suborns fraud. They paint a grim picture indeed, about how things surely would be were it not for their own selfless goodness, and their countless unpaid hours spent protecting the weak, and in this way, they provide the very warrant for their own continued and unfettered "police" work.

Of course, nothing could be further from reality. The truth is that these people are sellers or agents of retail interests with a serious conflict of interest, and there is little or no altruism actually involved in any of it. They are untrained, unlicensed, unregulated, unsworn, and thus, unsuited to the serious and solemn task of law enforcement. Generally, they also are unprincipled, and thus are unable to resist the opportunities and temptations presented by their own conflicting motives. On the other hand, they grossly underestimate and misrepresent the considerable ongoing and accelerated efforts undertaken by eBay to curb abuses of all kinds within its virtual walls. They also mislead others by falsely describing eBay as some kind of "home for fraud," when the fact is the small rate of per capita fraud found here on eBay is no greater than it is on Main Street.

The question is: Why should eBay merchants tolerate what merchants on Main Street never would tolerate, and what the law says they need not tolerate? It most assuredly is time for a change.

There are three changes that would significantly reduce fraud as well as the business interference descrribed herein:

(1) Require positive identification of all users, retroactively;

(2) Aggregate all user ids under a single legal entity (natural person or business), and make this information accessible to interested parties, which would include trading partners and discussion forum participants;

(3) Notify sellers when another member has contacted their bidders and buyers in the context of their listings and feedback. No suggestion here is made to desclose the content of the contact but merely that contact has occurred, when it took place, and by whom.

These simple changes would substantially reduce bid siphoning, auction interference, and various kinds of fraud, and with minimal inconvenience to honest traders. Therefore, I sincerely hope that eBay will consider these beneficial proposals.


Although JavaNoire was properly served a C&D notice to stay away from Hastings, she followed Hastings to eBay's Trust & Safety forum in order to spin the truth, and to further libel Hastings. (There was no mention of her FALSE pedophile stories she told over here about the Hastings. though. :1apileoff ).



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SC, the op exemplifies the need for anonymity on these boards. As noted, theArts love collecting CI/PI. They use the information they collect to bully, harass, intimidate & threaten.

I've seen the accusations that they've been targeted by people from these boards. Hell, I've often been accused of emailing their customers, bidding on their auctions, FB bombing their auctions, prank calling them at home & work, spamming them, luring their customers onto the boards to diss em, racketeering & on&on&on. Not a word of it is true. NotOneWord.

What *is* true is that they scoured the net hungry to know my name & address. They then used that info to frighten & harass my underaged child & her dying(now deceased) grandma. They also sent my employer a completely bogus Cease & Desist letter whose intent was pure malice.

I cannot support giving the likes of them additional info about other members whether those members are sellers or buyers. I've seen up close & personal the abusive lengths they'll go to in their deranged vendettas against imagined slights & injuries.

Prior to their hideous intrusion into my life I'd never called them, bid on their auctions, contacted their bidders, summoned their customers to the boards, revealed their personal info, encouraged others to interfere in their auctions, emailed em, spammed 'em etc. Nor did I do any of these things following their reprehensible invasion into the lives of my child & her desperately ill grandma. Those are *their* tactics, not mine & I prefer it stay that way, level playing field be damned.

I'm certain they know I've never committed any of the atrocities they routinely accuse me of. They'll get nowhere taking their spurious accusations to eBay or LE, but if they whiiiine & kvetch enough on the boards perhaps some naif will swallow their garbage.

They are indeed among the very best reasons for eBay to continue to protect/respect members' anonymity. Allah pity the innocents should eBay lose sight of that.

[Cyber Diva]

The deception in JavaNoire's libelous stories have already been uncovered by another member at TRS. Rather than re-invent the wheel in dealing with this mess again, here is Texas Banjo's review....

http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=96073&postcount=320

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02-17-2006, 06:00 AM
Texas Banjo Original
Acolyte Rossite

Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5

Java’s Post #194:
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MyDot took a phone call from an anonymous woman who acted as though she knew me & hit my grrl with a barrage of questions about both of us. Now that is some slimy fucking shit. It alters NOTHING. It simply proves they're a creepier pair of loons than I previously suspected.

The poor kid has never encountered such malignant crazies. She's seen people that act out or act up to *get* something but she'd never yet encountered those that do it just b/c their twisty little lives are that fucking DERANGED.

Now this is all so very interesting. Your daughter receives a phone call from someone that she does not know. She is unaware of any of the happenings here on the boards. Then when you found out about this phone call you assume it is from Diva who is in concert with her husband?

I find it incredible in the first place the Hastings would have called your daughter in the first place wanting any information about you. But you hate them so much that you conclude it “has to be THEM!”

Java’s Post #200:
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Nope. I'm not kidding you, They *are* that far gone. TheDot is demanding to know how I can be sure they won't come out here armed & dangerous if they're psycho enough to harass someone's (blissfully)unaware kid.

She's especially upset for her Grandma who initially answered the phone & is too sick to grasp what was being asked or why(not that theDot knew any better).

Your daughter is now thinking this person is a psycho and is armed and dangerous and out to come get you and her? And now you add a very interesting twist to the story… Actually it was “Grandma” who first answered the phone and then handed it to the daughter…because she is too sick to grasp? Your story is sounding fictional now.

Java’s Post #207:
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[QUOTE]Roy, the scummy cunt got my grrl rattled...TheDot called the police & the phone company & has conferred with them 2 or 3 times today.

I don't believe contacting my daughter was illegal, however reprehensible it is, but the police welcomed theDot's report. They thought it was damned suspicious that a supposedly mature adult would go through a kid to get info. I think they're concerned they're pedophiles rather than just run of the mill board snot. Apparently it raises all kinds of flags to make uninitiated & unwelcome contact with a minor under such suspicious circumstances.

NOTHING about those two would surprise me. They have no boundaries, no brakes, no sense & no morals. Flotsam & Jetsam. [\QUOTE]


And the plot thickens… Now your daughter actually calls the police… AND the phone company?.... and has several conversations with them? And the police and phone company welcomed the reports? And suddenly in the midst of the conversations, the police suspect they are PEDOPHOLES???!!!...and yet you explain to your daughter that nothing illegal was done…but the reports given to the police persuade them of this?...and yet in an earlier post you say they were seeking “information” about YOU and your daughter… Now which is it?...

Java’s Post #208:
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[QUOTE]Pffft. I'm mad about my grrl, Tek. I'd happily rip their throats out with my teeth if they touched a hair on her head.

The police agree with you, Roy & theDot. Actually, I think she was right to call them b/c one should err on the side of caution & heed those gut instincts that warn of potential trouble. Contacting a kid is too fucking weird even for them(or so I thought) [\QUOTE]


You don’t even know who the call was from at this point, and yet you are about ready to rip the Hastings throats out because you are now convinced “they” are after your DAUGHTER?
You are sounding a bit out of touch with reality.

Java’s Post #210:

Quote:
[QUOTE]Yikes! I forgot. Tek, your condolences are appreciated. It's not my mother. She's a longtime friend of my mothers & is myDot's 'adopted' Grandma. TheDot has spent time with her damned near every day of her life since she was 4 mos old. It's a very hard time for her. [\QUOTE]


The plot thickens…


Java’s Post #213:

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[QUOTE]Thank you, Beth. As unpleasant & troubling as the experience was I don't believe any laws were broken at this time. 2 or 3 additional calls were made as well as the 1st. They truly are beyond the bounds of decency. [\QUOTE]

Funny…this is the second time you mention no laws have been broken.

Cyber Diva’s Response in #224:

Quote:
[QUOTE]Jacinta is lying, which is nothing new, and this is a perfect example of how these forums are used to start false rumors about people. A convincing liar comes in and ltells a pack of lies, and then every idiot jumps on her bandwagon without question or proof. The same thing happened to Tek, who was falsely accused of being a child molester or something, and the same thing happened to Az, who was falsely accused of being a dope addict and losing custody of her kids. That's why Tek and Az, of all people, should know better. [\QUOTE]


Diva calls your hand on your story. She says you are lying. If I were the Hastings, I would contact your local police department, forward these threads to them, and ask them just how it is you just seem to “KNOW” who it is that was responsible for these call(s), and why you are accusing them. Would be interested to know if this really happened or if all of this is a hoax on your part.

Suddenly you go into hiding for some 90 posts…

Java’s Post #293:


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[QUOTE]My apologies for interrupting. Brandon, although theDot immediately called the police she couldn't make a formal report b/c she's a minor. I've filed the formal report. The phone company put something on the line the same day the calls occurred. I don't know how much info they could get as the calls were made prior to that. The phone co stuff is a bit complicated b/c #1, it's not my phone or my account & #2, the lady that has the acct is terminally ill & not thinking clearly much of the time. She's easily confused & often exhausted. [\QUOTE]

Now the plot thickens even more! First you say the police took reports and were VERY INTERESTED in what she had to say. Now you admit she is a minor and she couldn’t make a “formal report.” So YOU file the formal report? Now THAT might explain some things…and of course you MUST have told the police who YOU think made the call… The phone company puts something on the line the same this occurred, and yet the lady who OWNS the phone line isn’t even YOU? How did you manage that? And I thought you said GRANDMA answered the phone?

Your story has so many holes in it that it could qualify as a screen door. I think the only one really confused is you, Java.

The folks that have jumped on to your sympathy bandwagon surely have more common sense than this. You keep say you’ve NEVER done ANYTHING to the Hastings, and yet you are able to come up with this incredible story… Perhaps it’s all just that… a story…

You’ve accused them of something very, very serious, and somehow you interject twice that what was done wasn’t “illegal”…as if you try and cover your tracks after making some libelous remarks about who was responsible for these calls.

One thing nice about what you’ve said. It will probably all be checked out, especially in light of your serious allegations. It would nice to know the truth…
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02-17-2006, 04:05 PM
Texas Banjo Original
Acolyte Rossite

Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5

Originally Posted by JavaNoire:
"Since you want every boooring detail, yes, theDot's Grandma answered the phone & was utterly confused as to why anyone would call there for me. It was never my #. I rented an apt from her from 01/89 thru 12/93. She was a long time friend of Mom's & has been theDot's adopted, much loved Grandma. And yes, you scurvy skunk. Her days are numbered. Perhaps she has as much as a few months, perhaps no more than several days. These are the hardest days of theDot's life. She doesn't need Diva intruding with her goofy off the wall malignant crap."

The plot thickens even more. Now. Just how do you come to the conclusion that the Divas are responsible?

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02-17-2006, 06:18 PM
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Acolyte Rossite

Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5

Java, I'm convinced of one thing that is certain. Your version of this event is curious and rather far-fetched to have happened in the way in which you describe. How would the Diva's have known to call a number from someone who doesn't even have the same name as yours and way back from '89 to '93? Did you know them back then? If the number never belonged to you, then why in the world would this person (whom you believe to be the Divas) have called asking about you at that number?

But like I said. The nice thing about police reports and investigations is that after all is said and done, the real truth will come out as to exactly who called and the exact reasons for the call.

[JavaNoire]

Yet AGAIN the ArtfulDivas prove their detractors right...

from Java, I'm certain they know I've never committed any of the atrocities they routinely accuse me of. They'll get nowhere taking their spurious accusations to eBay or LE, but if they whiiiine & kvetch enough on the boards perhaps some naif will swallow their garbage.

They are indeed among the very best reasons for eBay to continue to protect/respect members' anonymity. Allah pity the innocents should eBay lose sight of that.

FTR, I posted to the eBay boards long before theArts invaded 'em with their self-serving & universally ridiculed 'suggestions'...These include the Jewelry, Safe Harbor, Shipping, Feedback, Bidding, Paypal, Misc & Animal boards.

from Diva] Although JavaNoire was properly served a C&D notice to stay away from Hastings, This C&D was their usual libelous collection of lies & delusions. A careful reading of it indicates they almost certainly know themselves to be lying. In the past their accusations were quite specific. Numerous times they LIED by insisting that I'd made harassing calls to them at home & work, bid on their auctions, spammed em, harassed/intimidated their customers, left them bad FB, won their auctions but wouldn't pay, was a business competitor on eBay, synchronized attacks against them with others from ebay, etc. Their bogus C&D was so absent specifics as to be meaningless.

Bay can ban me from their site, including their boards. Ditto Ross & RP. Until they do, my participation is welcome & deemed appropriate.

from Diva, She went over there to make contact with the person who happened to be favorable towards Aaron. She used eBay's member to member system to initiate the contact. Here's the URL (eBay's since removed the thread which contained 23 pages):
I'm (mildly)curious as to whether Diva is completely stupid or thoroughly dishonest. I have no idea which member she's talking about. Nor did I intiate contact through eBay's member to member system with anyone from that thread. NATURALLY, the Deceiving*Diva doesn't so much as attempt to support her (typically)specious & absurd allegation. NATURALLY she waited until the thread was (safely)deleted before coming here to carry on about my dire deeds.

Could someone, anyone, clue them to just who their *real* enemies are???

[Cyber Diva]

Yet AGAIN the ArtfulDivas prove their detractors right...



FTR, I posted to the eBay boards long before theArts invaded 'em with their self-serving & universally ridiculed 'suggestions'...These include the Jewelry, Safe Harbor, Shipping, Feedback, Bidding, Paypal, Misc & Animal boards.

This C&D was their usual libelous collection of lies & delusions. A careful reading of it indicates they almost certainly know themselves to be lying. In the past their accusations were quite specific. Numerous times they LIED by insisting that I'd made harassing calls to them at home & work, bid on their auctions, spammed em, harassed/intimidated their customers, left them bad FB, won their auctions but wouldn't pay, was a business competitor on eBay, synchronized attacks against them with others from ebay, etc. Their bogus C&D was so absent specifics as to be meaningless.

Bay can ban me from their site, including their boards. Ditto Ross & RP. Until they do, my participation is welcome & deemed appropriate.


I'm (mildly)curious as to whether Diva is completely stupid or thoroughly dishonest. I have no idea which member she's talking about. Nor did I intiate contact through eBay's member to member system with anyone from that thread. NATURALLY, the Deceiving*Diva doesn't so much as attempt to support her (typically)specious & absurd allegation. NATURALLY she waited until the thread was (safely)deleted before coming here to carry on about my dire deeds.

Could someone, anyone, clue them to just who their *real* enemies are???

While you're here again, Javanoire, want to tell the audience what was in the FALSE police report you filed on Hastings?

As far as our real enemies, there are none, in real life.

Let's here your police report again, you know where you published here that the police thought the Hastings were pedophiles. Did your employer know that you filed a FALSE police report? Go ahead, lets here your version of what you filed?

[Cyber Diva]

P. S. I forgot to add, the thread has been reproduced under case studies, Javanoire so your statement that I waited for it to be "safely" removed is not accurate, either.

Perhaps you didn't know that we've archived the thread and have reproduced it at :


http://networkstalking.org/

[Cyber Diva]

Since JavaNoire insists on following Hastings wherever Hastings goes online, and since JavaNoire's created this thread, even after being properly served a Cease & Desist Notice, here's more info on the libeler, stalker, filer of FALSE police reports, JavaNoire....


A Victim of JavaNoire's Speaks Up

This entry was posted on 7/27/2006 and is filed under General Info.

An email from a victim of Javanoirs to Lee warning him of her malicious activities in the past.
Javanoire used to be a poster at the ezboard version of the Car Wash and is apparently a self appointed netcop like Alan Polonsky.


====================================

Congratulations! I see that you have somehow managed to qualify
yourself as the latest target of abuse by Javanore, one of the most
infamous CarWash members, who is now deriding your business and your
character with virtually the same language she has used for years to
viciously libel Lorraine. It sounds as if her assaults are scripted,
and she merely has substituted your name for hers! Welcome to the
club. Not.


http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=1337

JavaNoire: "From what I've seen of his auctions...."

Tuesday June 6,2006 11:46am-JavaNoire

“I haven't reported him. I have no plans to do so. Any organized
harassment he's suffered is wrong IMO, but he deserves every blinkin
report made about his thieving auctions.

It's not just a matter of copyright violations. There is also the
matter of misrepresentation which has left many of his customers
feeling cheated (ummm, b/c they WERE cheated). Adding insult to
injury, customers with the temerity to leave him FB concerning their
unsatisfactory transactions, receive abusive, dishonest retaliatory FB.

He's a blight on eBay. Assholes like that hurt ethical, honest
sellers even more than buyers. Shenanigans(THIEVERY) like his
frighten away many potential buyers. There s/b zero tolerance for
crap like his. Shame on eBay for proving themselves to be as scummy
scammy as such dreck.”

------------------------------

Wednesday June 7,2006 3:009pm-JavaNoire


By all criteria I'm certain he's outside the law. (shrug)There's no
*copyright* case to be made if those holding the rights have no
interest in protecting their rights.

That he does it remains scummy, but if the copyright holders don't
care about their property rights why would anyone else seek to
protect those rights? It's incumbent on the victims to seek action,
IMO & they just don't care. (shrug)Fine.

Misrepresentation & abuse of the FB system are separate, if related,
issues that don't go up in smoke just b/c the copyright owners are
amenable to being robbed. He's repeatedly shown that he has no
interest in representing his (dishonest)wares *honestly*. That eBay
turns a blind eye to these crimes(& they are crimes) is sickening.

His lengthy & sordid history of willfully cheating his buyers & then
further abusing them through slanderous FB shows that he's a hopeless
schmuck fuck unworthy of rehabilitation. He s/b thrown off eBay.
Permanently.

eBay is clearly an even bigger slime than he is & is quite happy to
remain cozy with such trash. That is appallin”

--------

Saturday June 10,2006 7:19pm-JavaNoire

“From what I've seen of his auctions(not a great deal, tbh) he long
misrepresented poor copies as originals. I don't know if he stopped
that but it seems he now misrepresents crummy photocopies as being of
good quality.

What Nuke, Banjo & Alan did with the buying & taping & posting was
shitty, but was it AI? He sold 'em. They bought, paid & rendered an
opinion(I'm assuming they left F

IF they did it under various IDs, yes, it's AI & eBay should boot
their self righteous butts.

IF they did it repeatedly, again yes & boot 'em.

IF they were blocked under their known ID & circumvented that with a
sock, again, yes, again boot 'em under all IDs.

IF they did it only to taunt & harass Lee, then yes, that's AI.
Proving that is tough unless they did other things as well. IF Lee's
selling copies as originals he's in a vulnerable position & should
expend his energy putting his business in order so that it isn't so
vulnerable to criticism.

I still read FB. Retaliation is one of the key things I look for. FB
used to punish or get even skews the member's FB b/c others are
reluctant to leave honest FB & either leave none or(UGH)lie & pretend
to be satisfied when they're not. Retaliatory FB also indicates
someone who reacts when problems arise rather than solving the problem.

Tho' I read FB it's so skewed as to be all but useless, esp for
newbies that don't know the tricks played with it. eBay really should
improve the FB system. One easy improvement would be to post the sale
amt of the transaction.”

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I don’t see how your business is any of hers, just as Lorraine’s
business is none of her concern, but you can be sure that won’t stop
her from intruding into your life whenever she feels the whim to do
so. Your restraint is admirable, but it will not save you from her
abuse, for as long as you can be used as a tool to forge strategic
alliances and to strengthen her ties with TCW, you will be subjected
to her unsolicited and unwanted attention. Now that she has attacked
you in public, she is free to undermine you in private without
seeming hypocritical to her friends, regardless of how she deals with
you publicly from this point forward. No doubt she’s calculated that
one more complaint to her employer for misusing government resources
to stalk and harass businesses online would overcome even the glowing
letters of support she’s managed to solicit from her fellow e-hooligans.



Jacinta (aka java javanoire labruja! **invisible** **dejavu** [more user names have been discovered]
mona*llisa*smiles *mata*hari* tallu1ah *ruby*tuesday* and the
infamous trolling/harassment id *cyber*diva*) may be many things, but
she is anything but innocent or sincere, I can assure you. You're now
getting an opportunity to see Java in action first hand, engaging in
what she does best – pretense and deception.



Javanoire writes:

"For that matter, she was also leaving competitors bad FB when eBay
permitted non-transactional FB. AI, Lee? Or do you approve of LYING
about competitors to (literally)steal an edge?"


This is a brand new lie Javanoire is just now wheeling out for the
first time, and it serves as a fine example of how the Java Rumor
Mill operates: First, she shamelessly trots out a blatant lie and
presents it as an established fact, signaling her cohorts to chime in
with embedded messages like “as everybody knows.” She absolutely
never provides any proof of any kind, and where one would expect to
find documentation, links, or any other form of actual evidence, she
skips that part and instead allows her "supporters" to fill the void
with nodding testi-baloney and high fives. If the initial test drive
goes well, she and her crew will disseminate the lie through endless
repetition, mostly in secret, until its origin is irrelevant. In
this way, the lie soon becomes an established "board fact" that now
fits perfectly within the larger, ever-changing agglomeration of
disinformation Javanoire and her comrades have concocted to date.
General acceptance is achieved by summarizing this shared mythology
into a written narrative and then privately distributing this
“history package” to others using “trusted sources” such as the
pathological liar and speculator extraordinaire,Sandy Boardwalker.
The narrative thus seeps into the collective mind of the assembled
boardsters, and the effect is to further Javanoire’s aggression
through proliferation, for her bogus narrative acts as a warrant for
continued and escalated attacks, and serves also as an open
solicitation to those "true to Javanoire" to come to her aid, and to
join the bash fest.



Where are the "link, please" police? Which seller? What feedback?
What discussion? Which competitor? And, again, how is any of this
Javanoire's business in the first place? These are just a few of the
obvious questions any objective person would need answered before
getting involved, but most boardsters are just too logically or
ethically challenged to grasp such irony, and so they remain prone to
such hypocrisy. Lorraine’s eBay ID is well known, and eBay provides
the online tools to easily verify Javanoire's bogus allegation; but
the lazy-brained chuckleheads that comprise Java’s audience just find
it's easier to uncritically accept whatever she says, for they know
the favor will be reciprocated when it's their turn at bat, and they
know too the harsh penalty for publicly disagreeing with Java. Such
is the society of Internet liars, and anyone that has tried can
affirm that honest persuasion through reason and logical argument is
an exercise in futility here. So why bother? On the other hand,
aggressors like Javanoire are so vindictive they never will
voluntarily stop harassing the people they hate, so just how does one
get away from this malignant online predator, who has demonstrated a
sustained level of malevolence sufficient to motivate her to troll
and to harass her prey literally for years? Witness Protection?



A Consummate Internet Troll

Javanoire "earns" loyalty through the techniques of gratuitous
flattery, calculated public and private support of key players,
particularly when they are wrong and under attack, bidding at their
auctions, and through choreographed attacks on “disposable” people,
such as Shawn, Lorraine, and now you. She has an extreme need for
undeserved admiration from others, and sincerity is never an issue,
either with the excessive flattery she pours on others, or with that
which she requires in reciprocation. She exhibits an abnormal sense
of entitlement, always demanding more for herself and for the various
groups to which she belongs than is reasonable or fair, and the
rights and feelings of those adversely affected are of little or no
consequence to her. She regards herself as being very unique,
special, and insightful, and thus more deserving than others,
consigning to ignorance and irrelevance any that fail to recognize
her singular importance or that dare to contradict her. Emerging from
her endless posts is a grossly exaggerated sense of self-importance,
which somehow transforms every situation, event, subject, and thread
into a narrative about Javanoire; the essence of all discourse thus
shifts away almost entirely from substantive matters into a perverse,
mindless, self-aggrandizing solipsistic fantasy of subjective
exposition concerning Java’s thoughts and opinions, how a situation
involves her, and how she feels about it, as if one were reading a
transcript of a private therapy session. She then attempts to
disguise these self-serving displays with florid paragraphs packed
with gushing, gratuitous praise lavished upon people she claims to
hardly know. Such meaningless flattery, laden with insincerity, and
the equally worthless responses thus elicited, will immediately be
detected by any astute observer, but such manipulation is seen to be
surprisingly effective in establishing a sense of indebtedness and
false intimacy among more credulous and inexperienced participants,
and so it’s effect should not be underestimated.



Javanoire treats people she doesn’t like literally as dirt,
describing them with evocative terms such as “slimy,” “filthy,” and
“scummy,” and her demeanor invariably is haughty, condescending,
arrogant, patronizing, and contemptuous when addressing or discussing
them. She is envious of others and imagines that others are envious
of her, and she thrives on this misconception. Most of all, Java
lacks any real sense of empathy: Despite endless displays of
factitious concern for others, she demonstrates no actual concern or
remorse for the unlimited distress she causes to her victims, whom
she deftly recasts as aggressors to thereby refocus all sympathy and
concern back onto herself.



This combination of traits, which some might describe as a
personality disorder, has nonetheless served Java quite well in
constructing an effective apparatus for deflection, a virtually
impenetrable smoke screen used to divert unwanted scrutiny and focus
away from her and onto her victims. This uncanny transformation from
vicious, stalking aggressor into innocent, harmless victim thus
justifies and masks Javanoire's causeless, continued aggression,
conceals her real agenda, and vilifies the actual victim to the point
where they have no allies and no voice. If you study her posts over
time you will find that she essentially admits this is what she does
and that she has “her rights” to do so. According to the Police in
Iowa, this is her defense



When posting to the eBay forums Javanoire has more or less maintained
an outwardly demure and apparently civic-minded persona, from what I
have seen, doing most of her dirty work behind the scenes, while
publicly acting primarily as a foil, as an instigator and as a
cheerleader as other crew-members take point in the directed attacks
against targeted businesses and unwelcome participants intruding upon
“their” forums and threads. Therefore, when viewed in isolation,
this persona, however self-serving, nonetheless appears reasonably
plausible and consistent; however, when examined in stark contrast
with the vile, vulgar, malicious, predatory, and blatantly dishonest
persona exhibited at the off-eBay forums used by current and former
eBay members for their un moderated discussions (ezboard.com,
therossshow.com, thecarwashlive.com, theauctionwatch.com, steeldragon.
640k.net, etc), then this cheerful, naïve eBay persona is unmasked,
revealing, in my view, a cynical, manipulative, calculating, and
thoroughly dishonest propagandist.



Brief History With This Crew

We don't make a habit of revealing personal information online, or of
explaining ourselves to fools and rascals on internet chat forums,
nor do we seek out online friendships with persons incapable of
actual friendship, and that is why Javanoire, and those of her ilk,
can manufacture such ridiculous personal narratives about us and
spoon feed these with so much success to morally, emotionally, and
intellectually challenged buffoons. Javanoire is an internet liar,
and she has been a relentless stalker the entire 4+ years we have had
to deal with her. The truth is we had no interest in the eBay
Discussion forums prior to May 2002. In fact, we weren't even aware
of the "educational" forums until a concerned customer wrote to
Lorraine to inform her that her eBay listings were being “discussed”
on the JG&W (Jewelry, Gemstones, & Watches) eBay discussion forum by
her competitors. Soon after we arrived, we incurred these
boardsters’ everlasting wrath because we had the unforgivable
temerity to defend our business and ourselves, to refuse their
“invitation” that we leave the forums and eBay altogether, and to
systematically expose their abuse of the public forums, the
insincerity of their self-serving agenda, and the fathomless depth of
their hypocrisy. Simply because 99 other sellers had buckled under
the sheer weight of their abuse, begging for provisional permission
to exist before crawling away in humiliation, didn't mean they should
expect the same from us. We've prevailed against far more
experienced and devious liars than these amateurs, and we weren't
about to dance to their boorish tunes.



The JG&W public forum had been commandeered by a closely-knit group
of forum thugs, “regulars,” organized into a crew with apparent
authority to control discourse and to conduct public and private
investigations of other members. They treated this public space as
their own private reserve, and posed themselves as authorized
liaisons to eBay management, conveying the clear but false message
that being “in” with eBay necessitated being “in” with the regulars;
and to a degree this status quo was achieved through various
manipulations of the eBay system in the form of barrages of specious
online and telephone complaints to pad the victim’s file and make her
appear crazy, clandestine auction interference of all kinds, and
systematic public and private character assassination of problem
people, usually planned off-site and then executed with military
precision by a “squad” acting in uniformity.



At first, we were astonished that other members would actually misuse
the community forums to savage other members and their listings, that
this could be done anonymously by business competitors, and that eBay
would just sit idle and allow their forums to be misused for such
misconduct directed against their paying customers. Java, Peep, and
their friends Porkipeyen, Bonjourami, Halwolf, and several other soon-
to-be carwashers were among the main instigators on JG&W, led by an
arrogant, condescending Polonsky-type using the handle 'a-cut-
above.' We began to monitor other eBay forums, including Trust &
Safety, and we determined that e-hooligans had organized themselves
into virtual "crews" or posses on every forum, using off-site
communication to coordinate their attacks and to share data
concerning various members. This was how we first became aware of
Alan Polonsky, who reigned over T&S like a petty tyrant. We learned
that members of these crews trade in “credibility,” a commodity
having nothing whatsoever to do with authenticity or with genuine
credibility, but which is actually code for an internal measure of a
person’s usefulness to the group; it’s a kind of treat members
gratuitously shower upon other members, but utterly deny to persons
outside the coterie. When awarded, it acts to reinforce “good”
behavior, and when withheld, members are thereby trained to
understand their transgressions and to correct themselves. By
inference, everyone is supposed to want it, and the community is
taught to believe that those without it are “bad” people. This is a
common brainwashing technique used by personality cults to
marginalize dissent and to rigidly conform the thinking of cult members.


(continues....)

[Cyber Diva]

continued...

What we saw taking place on the forums with these bullies truly was
horrific, and we felt we had to do something about it; so we began
alerting eBay that their public fora were being used to perpetrate
business interference, malicious libel, harassment, and other
mischief. We were referred to Daphne, and to our surprise, this
conduct evidently was permitted, at least to some - the 'regulars,'
as they seemed to have carte blanche despite being the very worst
violators of forum policy. Clearly something was wrong with Daphne’s
administration of the forum, and so we documented various examples
concerning her blatant preferential treatment of the self-appointed
netcops who were running JG&W not as a public forum for the benefit
of all members but rather as if they owned it. There was disparate,
selective enforcement of the published policies, which the regulars
routinely disobeyed without consequence; whereas there was
comparatively strict enforcement against those that challenged the
regulars. Little, however, was done, and when we applied pressure, we
became the target for administrative action by Daphne, the
PocketPink, We openly and publicly criticized the inappropriate, cozy
relationship that existed between the regulars and the Pinks; we
complained that our business competitors were being given free reign
to attack us anonymously in the public space, and we lobbied for
changes on behalf of eBay PowerSellers (the primary targets of the
netcops) that might put an end to the horrendous public board trials
and to various other forms of business interference openly occurring
on the site. In time, Daphne and her supervisor Claire conspired to
silence us by fabricating a bogus warning we never received,
backdating this, and then using a minor infraction as a pretext to
issue a 30-day board suspension. We documented this malfeasance and
submitted that directly to the eBay Legal Department, with copies to
Daphne and Claire. The suspension was then quietly reversed without
explanation or apology. The regulars were leaked this information by
"someone," and they went public with what they had learned. They
then stepped up the attacks and began spreading rumors that we were
"crazy" "psychotic" and "vindictive." At that time, eBay customer
service was accessible via email and by telephone, and suddenly our
eBay file began to overflow in less than a year with what eventually
numbered more than 3,000 impersonated customer service inquiries
designed to set us up for site interference. No doubt we were not
the only victims of this kind of retaliation, and eventually these
and other abuses led to the webform system.



Shortly after Daphne and Claire were forced to back down, the
regulars somehow managed to "discover" my transactional ID, and they
used that information to start all sorts of trouble. We believe that
my transactional id was provided to the boardsters by Daphne in
retaliation for our documenting and exposing her misconduct to upper
management, as there was no other way the vigilantes could have
obtained that information. We learned later through confidential
sources that Daphne had been “reassigned.” We also noticed that a
major restructuring of the forums had occurred thereafter.



We wrote to Rob Chesnut several times and documented instances of
abuse, such as the publishing on eBay forums of our whois
information, the public abuse and board trials to which we were
regularly being subjected, the feedback bombing, the business
interference, and the specious complaints being filed against us by
the JG&W/CarWash hooligans, proliferating themselves using multiple
disposable identities. Although sympathetic and genuinely
concerned, Mr. Chesnut was relatively new to eBay and the forums were
not directly under his control (this later changed, of course);
however, he did offer to do what he could without "stepping on
toes." Legally, there was at that time no established case law
concerning Internet libel, and charges of online stalking and
harassment generally required a credible threat to be actionable, we
were advised, so pursuing legal action seemed futile. Meanwhile,
these arrogant ruffians were riding high on their First Amendment
"right" to anonymously publish any libel they pleased, their "right"
to attack legitimate businesspeople with impunity because "they were
scammers," and they laughed in our faces when we confronted them and
raised legitimate ethical and legal questions concerning posting ids
and their use on eBay to promote public defamation and business
interference, vigilantism, and other kinds of abuse. We thus were
left with no other choice but to defend ourselves on the public
forums, as neither eBay nor anyone else seemed able to provide
immediate relief, and we weren't about to let these hooligans get
away with this unchallenged.

Early on, Javanoire's friend Denise (JG&W regular, bonjourami, later
implicated in shill bidding with Javanoire) had publicly vowed to
destroy our jewelry business and to permanently drive us off of eBay,
and it was clear she spoke for the entire crew when she published
this threat on JG&W, as evidenced by the escalated harassment we
received from that point forward. The fabricated collection of
specious allegations, misrepresentations, complaints, and
manufactured “facts” was condensed into one of those famous CarWash
“history packages” and distributed throughout the greater community
by CarWash members like Sandy Martin (lady_boardwalker, Heartland
Antiques), Javanoire, Noyoudident, Citnalta, and
Porkipeyen. .Javanoire eventually took the lead in stalking us in the
public forums and began following me wherever I went, obstructing my
ability to participate in any discussion of eBay policy anywhere on
the site. With few exceptions, she would just appear in every
thread, often using multiple ids to attack my posts, as well as
Lorraine and I personally. Defamatory statements that couldn’t be
posted were sent privately by different crew members until the job
was done. Javanoire’s aim was to enlist support for her crew’s
campaign to harass us and to make it literally impossible for us to
have a voice in the community. Usually accompanied by a handful of
JG&W crew members, she would derail every topic into oblivion so that
any ideas being presented could neither be heard nor discussed, and
legitimate debate was made simply impossible. One could even
pinpoint the exact time “uninitiated” members had been PM’d the
history package by observing the effect of this newfound “knowledge”
on their posts, which suddenly took on the same quality of
belligerence and hatred shared by Javanoire and her companions.


We could see that the forums were being utilized to conduct privately-
motivated witch hunts and board trials, while important discussions
were being consistently shunted to the sidelines and derailed. Our
policy generally was to object and to add balance, and for this we
were systematically attacked, undermined, and scorned. Any number of
dishonest means were employed to relentlessly attack our credibility
and to artificially enhance their own status. We began to study some
of the more belligerent netcops in 2003, and as we assembled enough
facts, we discovered that these vigilantes invariably belonged to
crews formed to exploit the various loopholes and vulnerabilities in
the eBay system for the benefit of crew members. As anyone can see,
their easily discernible activities include unbridled aggression,
shill bidding among crew members, auction interference against
business competitors, and assaults on designated enemies, while
hypocrisy, pathological lying, and belligerence are among their
common traits. Ironically, netcop crew members profess a deep and
abiding intolerance of fraud and deception, and claim a sincere
altruistic concern for others, and this is supposed to explain why
they “volunteer” their time. We never bought this. These people
just lack the qualities of the altruistic personality, and to a
person, each practices deception as an art, turning a blind eye or
giving a wink and a nod to the blatant fraud of fellow members, while
raising to infinity the minor alleged infractions of their crew’s
targets. We do not believe anyone can be this hypocritical unless it
is deliberate and calculated, or that characters like these would
work this hard and for this long in concert with others without
substantial remuneration in some form. It simply defies reason.


There are many examples, but I will provide just two: A bogus buyer,
impghia, once purchased an item with the obvious intent to start as
much trouble as possible, and then miraculously she just found her
way to the JG&W forums the very day she received her item (i.e. no
feedback exchange had occurred):


http://artrenditions.com/archives/ebay/2003/jgw/ring_fraud.html


Once there, she was received with open arms by her new best friends,
headed by Jacinta (posting as javanoire, labruja!, tallu1ah, and
possibly others), who were all ready to proceed with a staged board
trial of PriceGems. When we investigated, we found that impghia had
just registered the buying id the day before her purchase, that she
wasn't the newbie she claimed to be when she started her attack
thread, as we identified other ids going back more than one year, her
contact information on eBay was inaccurate, and, of course, her
complaint was fraudulent. I gave them a trial to remember, and this
thread, which was designed to "bring down pricegems," turned out to
be thoroughly embarrassing to Javanoire, Bonjourami, and to their
entire crew, as it proved our allegations, it publicly demonstrated
their hypocrisy and ill-motivation, and it provided us with further
evidence, additional suspects, and deeper insight into their
organization and methods. Needless to say, this result did not
please them, and indeed thereafter they were hell bent on revenge.
Within a short time, Karl Kischkel, a new JG&W regular, began to
court us and promised to help. Javanoire's good friend porkipeyen
(Sherry) became a member of Kischkel's crew, along with her friend
icugigi, who had been publishing our whois information on T&S with
various false, incendiary allegations intended to rally support and
to prompt untraceable business interference from random trolls with
time on their hands. Just prior to this, Kischkel had posted in the
private forums at TCW that he had determined we might be favorable to
him and that he was “going to use that down the road.”


In another case, a vigilante was posing herself on T&S as a member of
law enforcement whose husband, a firefighter, had died during 911.
The design of this ruse was to grant absolute credibility, sympathy,
and trust to this new persona and to funnel communications with other
posters through this artificially established identity. This
resulted in the perpetrator (postingid007) receiving a inquiry from
the FBI, as confirmed by her own subsequent admission and as
corroborated by an associate and friend at API, who privately had
helped to report the impersonation.


Using these and other such methods too numerous to mention, Javanoire
and her fellow crew members have been able to factitiously establish
their own reputations, while deceptively dismantling the reputations
and standing of others within the community, and so, when she says we
are "universally despised," she is more or less correct, but she
fails to take credit for her own part in bringing about this
unwarranted but nonetheless intended result. You may note this same
strategy has been used rather successfully by Polonsky and his crew
against Cartman. It works.


In the name of community service, we have seen this crew conduct
bogus charity auctions wherein they have engaged in documented shill
bidding and whereby they have inappropriately enriched themselves.
We have seen them exercise control of the discussion forums as if
they owned these public facilities, by hogging the resources, by
chasing away visitors they didn't like, by establishing their own
system of "credibility," and by generally using the forums for their
own selfish purposes, which almost invariably have been at odds with
both forum policy and with the intended purposes of the forums. Crew
members routinely praise one another for their goodness, kindness,
and selfless contributions, when there absolutely is no basis for
such undeserved, gratuitous acclaim. Simultaneously, they perpetuate
vicious slanders about their opponents, which are intended to
obliterate the reputations of these targeted individuals within the
community. In our case, crew members have repeatedly posed as
buyers to bid at our auctions, either directly or through surrogates,
to complete purchases with the intent to file complaints and to post
derogatory feedback. They have repeatedly contacted our buyers and
bidders to warn them away and to solicit complaints, and they have
otherwise acted to cause the filing of fraudulent chargebacks, to
damage our online reputation, and to adversely manipulate our files
with eBay. After thus causing as much trouble as they possibly can,
they then point to any evidence of their handiwork, such as negative
feedback, as the justification and context for their continued public
defamation. This cycle culminated in early 2004 when members of the
JG&W crew donned socks (iwouldadoublebaggedit, showntell,
baseless_claims) and posed themselves as “unhappy customers” who had
somehow, miraculously just stumbled upon The Carwash ezboard and from
there had learned about Rumjungle, where Lorraine had been posting as
CyberDiva. These imposters didn’t hold up at all under
interrogation, and were exposed as frauds. When time permitted, a
careful study of their posting styles, diction, and other semiotic
markers, enabled us to ascertain their identities. Just prior to
this, Javanoire had created the stalking *cyber*diva* impersonation/
stalking/harassment account on eBay, which she had been using to
troll me and to criticize the real CyberDiva, Lorraine.


The JG&W boardsters headed by javanoire, bonjourami, peeep,
porkipeyen, icugigi (cri computers), and their associates certainly
have had reason to loathe and to fear us. As high-profile
vigilantes, these netcops are heavily invested in their online
reputations, and that is why it is essential their judgments and
pronouncements concerning the businesses and individuals they attack
are never questioned. They are not above staging purchases or
manufacturing evidence to prove their verdicts, and they work
concertedly and diligently in constructing reality and manufacturing
consensus by controlling the flow of information. Since the very day
they began attacking our businesses in May 2002 we've confronted them
in the public forums and have effectively challenged their authority
and misuse of the public space, usually embarrassing and undermining
their prestige and control in the process. We have educated and have
given assistance to many of their naive victims, who almost
invariably were overwhelmed by the unexpected, orchestrated attacks
on their businesses and reputations. We have defeated every one of
their systematic attacks on us, both on and off the boards,
effectively meeting their intrusions head on with investigation,
interrogation, examination, and deposition, followed by documentation
and reporting. We have memorialized their abuse in our feedback. We
have obstructed their abuse on various eBay forums, including JG&W
and T&S, and we have documented, publicly exposed, and have reported,
with results, their blatant shill bidding, business interference, and
other abuse. We shut down thecarwashlive.com and took control of the
archives containing years of evidence implicating javanoire, jayne,
citnalta, heartland antiques (lady_boardwalker), hanna, tekobari,
puzzlegoddess, peeep, FOD, nuke, chopsbuster, and others, which means
that we must now be destroyed, lest information so damaging and
embarrassing to these online predators should get out. Yet, despite
the immense volume of abuse that has been heaped upon us for four
consecutive years by this jolly crew, they've not once ever managed
to cause us to behave unprofessionally, either publicly or privately,
and they've utterly failed in their professed mission to destroy us.
Certainly the strongest basis for their antipathy, however, has been
the unwanted, focused attention (heat) we have brought down on them
concerning what they actually have been doing on and off of eBay. We
have undermined their inappropriate relationships with various eBay
personnel, and we've managed to spark change leading to a welcome end
to their destructive reign over JG&W and T&S. In all of this,
Javanoire’s malevolent presence has been constant, and so yes, you
could say that quite a lot has been going on, and that Javanoire has
been up to her eyeballs in it.=


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Some more info here. Java is posting as
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Don't forget, JavaNoire, when you come back, first thing you should post about is the FALSE police report you filed on Hastings after publishing various different versions of your police story, here. What did you tell your board friends about the police report? They would want to hear the truth, don't you think? It will at the very least show them what you're capable of.

Did someone on the boards, help you to create the manufactured false documentation you provided to the police? Do tell, and be sure to provide the headers of the harassing emails you claimed you received, to make your libelous charges.

[Cyber Diva]

Don't forget, JavaNoire, when you come back, first thing you should post about is the FALSE police report you filed on Hastings after publishing various different versions of your police story, here. What did you tell your board friends about the police report? They would want to hear the truth, don't you think? It will at the very least show them what you're capable of.

Did someone on the boards, help you to create the manufactured false documentation you provided to the police? Do tell, and be sure to provide the headers of the harassing emails you claimed you received, to make your libelous charges.
While we're waiting for JavaNoire to tell her audience what she'd filed in her series of FALSE police reports against Hastings (that she'd developed at The Ross Show, FALSELY alleging the Hastings to be pedophiles, etc. )... here is what she'd advised everyone else when it came to matters concerning EZ Jenn's Police report:

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This thread is so bizarre, where's the harm in a wildly OT post?

Sandy, who would have warned PurpleButterfly in June '04 that Alan would someday turn on her? Who knows or cares what he'll do? Regardless, stable adults should survive an online attack with minimal damage (ie none). Y'know? If he doesn't attack, fine. If he does, oh well. I truly can't imagine who would have warned her...Or why.

Moving back OT...

Roy, do you have any affection for the 1st amendment? What Brandon wrote was vile. It was ugly. It was nasty. Also vulgar, profane & twisted. Many would find it shocking, disturbing, disgusting. Only a simpering fool would have felt threatened. Ugly ain't dangerous, dammit.

It's been pointed out that none of us know ezJennifer's name or location. We can't even be certain of her gender. For a threat to be credible, ie threatening, y'know real, it must be possible to act on it. None of us can do anything to ezJennifer. She's nothing but a screen name working for ezBoard. She is, IMO, a whiny wuss, a vengeful twit & unsuited to her job.

IF she truly felt threatened by someone who's never seen her, never talked to her & doesn't know her name or location, then she's too delicate for RL & oughta retire to a convent.

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I don't believe there was a threat. Very stupid, incredibly ugly remarks are not threatening.

As to what constitutes a violation of the threat/assault laws...intent? WHERE the fuck is the intent when one is saying something they KNOW to be impossible to carry out?

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People need to be careful about what they say on the internet? I think it's about time people take some care with what they're doing to our personal freedoms, Bill of Rights & language.

Too damned many people are wont to howl harassed, stalked, threatened, violated whenever their sensibilities have been bruised or their egos tweaked.

It's disgraceful how these simpleton fucks succeed at bastardizing the language until meanings are stretched & blurred to the point of being ridiculous. We oughta be careful about furthering the erosion of language just to accomodate every thin skinned whiner.

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& Roy...desire does NOT equal intent. At least 10 times a day I have an overwhelming desire to slap someone snotless..rip off a few heards & feed the owners to the crocodiles. There are indeed 2 people I'd quite honestly, very seriously like to hurt, maim, cripple (at the very least).

NONE of this is illegal. Nor should it be illegal. Despite my desires I have no intention of acting on 'em. I can guarantee I won't act on 'em. I am permitted to 'want' for chrissake.

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I don't know which is worse, Sandy.

I can't believe all the oohing & aahing over this crap, carrying on as tho' Brandon is Old Scratch, himself.

& while Roy is talking about intent, That's commonly invoked by the defense. Y'know heated (foolish)words spoken(well usually screamed) with no intentions of following through...I dunno how well it fares as a defense but as often as I've seen it used, I doubt that it's worthless.


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LOL it could be taken as such. Hence the reason to be carfull what you post. I dont take it as such, but it easy could be by others.
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Oh bullshit, Roy. Only a damned ninny given to night frights & vapors would perceive a real threat in that. Some people just yearn to feel harassed, threatened whatnot. Their wish to always be a victim should not take precedence over our frredoms or simple common fucking reason.
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Therp, I'm curious, nothing more.

You 'know' Jenn...1st & last name?

& the city she lives in...Roughly how large is this city & is it close to any major municipalities?

Could you easily locate her?

If so, how many others do you think this applies to?

Have you told her what an unmitigated twit she is? She can't possibly be that skittish & get out of bed in the am.
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Therp, I have no interest in the name of the city she lives in or even it's geographical location.

I asked about its size & whether it's associated with a major metro area b/c using a name to find someone in say Bertram Iowa is considerably easier than locating the same person in New York City with only a name. This assumes the name isn't wildly unusual.

I have no interest in knowing who ezJenn is. What I've seen hasn't been impressive. She strikes me as a whiny moron with cotton candy b/w her ears. Her actual name & city makes no difference. In fact I'd rather not know identifying information on anyone so pathologically timid.


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Therp, you thoroughly answered my questions. Thanks.

IF ezJenn is not so timid as to feel threatened then she's allowed anger to render her malicious & deceiving.

I've seen any number of RL incidents where people press charges for spozed threats only b/c their feelings were wounded, they were offended, embarrassed or angered. (Such overwrought emotions are frequently fueled with ethanol) It's a disgusting misuse of police resources which are already stretched dangerously thin. To see this behavior popping up online is even more disgusting.



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It's ridiculous to insist on seeing 'threats' in every utterance. MeinGott! What a pack of nervous nellies inhabit these boards. How can such timorous souls venture outside where there are real people that might be carrying real weapons who are prepared to make & carry out real threats?
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Wonder if anyone else has ever heard of RL incidents where people press charges because their feelings were wounded, or they were offended, or embarrassed, like JavaNoire's witnessed?

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http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=77121&postcount=123


I've seen any number of RL incidents where people press charges for spozed threats only b/c their feelings were wounded, they were offended, embarrassed or angered. (Such overwrought emotions are frequently fueled with ethanol)

It's a disgusting misuse of police resources which are already stretched dangerously thin. To see this behavior popping up online is even more disgusting.


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ummmmm?? this cyber diva.. may can really seeeeeee things.....

very few people can it seems... i need to read close alot of her stuff..... but just skimming i think she may be ABLE to see things that very few can...

she seems to understand many things .. and also how things develop and what MAKES things develop..... she may understand how brainwashing works.... and this involves education and including the environment....

cyber diva... i have come up with 6 questions that will expose who is truly wise with their thinking not messed up.....i have seen NO one but you in here that may be wise and not messed up.. i have seen 2 MAYBE in psu.... none others in all the forums.....i have not read alot of stuff in here to know all the people....

she seems to know how things develop within people to cause harm for others...

[JavaNoire]

CyberDiva bursts forward with yet another LENGTHY collection of lies, fantasies & hallucinations. There isn't a single substantive statement in the entire messy assemblage that has so much as an iota of truth.

For one GLARING example, she is AGAIN impugning bonjourami's integrity by wheeling out the very old lie that Bonjourami was *implicated* in shilling with me. The ONLY ones to make this LYING accusation were theArts. I've bid on auctions using more than 1 ID & continue to do so when I deem it to be in my interests. I've NEVER disclosed my intentions to bid to any seller, including Bonjourami. Never so much as hinted which auctions I was interested in, what my bidding strategy would be or how much I planned to bid.

IF they want to believe I was *shillling* BFD. eBay feels differently & it is eBay's opinion that matters, NOT theirs. To lay their egregious lies on an INNOCENT seller is a GLARING example of the malicious business interference they continually yelp about.

Those who have bought from board friends undoubtedly understand WHY I don't disclose any information concerning my bidding plans...What's most important to me is that I don't want the seller to feel compelled to offer me a deal, special consideration, discounts, free shipping etc. For this reason, when I've won, I immediately pay in full with PP.

Diva has always been bitterly jealous of Bonjoura & cannot refrain from attempting to poison others' opinions of her.. Diva very obviously envied her integrity, fairness, intelligence, spirit, humor, popularity & the abiding respect Bonjourami has earned & enjoys. Of course theArts made their usual mistake of blaming Bonjourami rather than looking to themselves to understand why they are loathed, ridiculed, shunned & scorned. This won't change until they do look within themselves for solutions to problems created by their misdeeds & loutish behavior.

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JavaNoire, your post has nothing to do with the FALSE police reports you filed. You developed the police stories right here on The Ross Show, stating that the police believed Hastings to be pedophiles after your report.

Rather than bring innocent peeps into this mess, like Dee whom you poisoned years ago, why don't you get back to talking about the police reports.

Don't change the subject again, JavaNoire. I don't wish to engage you in any discussion but the police reports. Besides, your audience wants to know what you're capable of, I'm sure. Be certain to provide the headers of the emails you claimed you received. Also, be sure to explain who helped you, from these boards, provide the false manufactured documentation you provided to the police when you made your false police statements.


While we're waiting for JavaNoire to tell her audience what she'd filed in her series of FALSE police reports against Hastings (that she'd developed at The Ross Show, FALSELY alleging the Hastings to be pedophiles, etc. )... here is what she'd advised everyone else when it came to matters concerning EZ Jenn's Police report:

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This thread is so bizarre, where's the harm in a wildly OT post?

Sandy, who would have warned PurpleButterfly in June '04 that Alan would someday turn on her? Who knows or cares what he'll do? Regardless, stable adults should survive an online attack with minimal damage (ie none). Y'know? If he doesn't attack, fine. If he does, oh well. I truly can't imagine who would have warned her...Or why.

Moving back OT...

Roy, do you have any affection for the 1st amendment? What Brandon wrote was vile. It was ugly. It was nasty. Also vulgar, profane & twisted. Many would find it shocking, disturbing, disgusting. Only a simpering fool would have felt threatened. Ugly ain't dangerous, dammit.

It's been pointed out that none of us know ezJennifer's name or location. We can't even be certain of her gender. For a threat to be credible, ie threatening, y'know real, it must be possible to act on it. None of us can do anything to ezJennifer. She's nothing but a screen name working for ezBoard. She is, IMO, a whiny wuss, a vengeful twit & unsuited to her job.

IF she truly felt threatened by someone who's never seen her, never talked to her & doesn't know her name or location, then she's too delicate for RL & oughta retire to a convent.

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I don't believe there was a threat. Very stupid, incredibly ugly remarks are not threatening.

As to what constitutes a violation of the threat/assault laws...intent? WHERE the fuck is the intent when one is saying something they KNOW to be impossible to carry out?

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People need to be careful about what they say on the internet? I think it's about time people take some care with what they're doing to our personal freedoms, Bill of Rights & language.

Too damned many people are wont to howl harassed, stalked, threatened, violated whenever their sensibilities have been bruised or their egos tweaked.

It's disgraceful how these simpleton fucks succeed at bastardizing the language until meanings are stretched & blurred to the point of being ridiculous. We oughta be careful about furthering the erosion of language just to accomodate every thin skinned whiner.

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& Roy...desire does NOT equal intent. At least 10 times a day I have an overwhelming desire to slap someone snotless..rip off a few heards & feed the owners to the crocodiles. There are indeed 2 people I'd quite honestly, very seriously like to hurt, maim, cripple (at the very least).

NONE of this is illegal. Nor should it be illegal. Despite my desires I have no intention of acting on 'em. I can guarantee I won't act on 'em. I am permitted to 'want' for chrissake.

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I don't know which is worse, Sandy.

I can't believe all the oohing & aahing over this crap, carrying on as tho' Brandon is Old Scratch, himself.

& while Roy is talking about intent, That's commonly invoked by the defense. Y'know heated (foolish)words spoken(well usually screamed) with no intentions of following through...I dunno how well it fares as a defense but as often as I've seen it used, I doubt that it's worthless.


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LOL it could be taken as such. Hence the reason to be carfull what you post. I dont take it as such, but it easy could be by others.
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Oh bullshit, Roy. Only a damned ninny given to night frights & vapors would perceive a real threat in that. Some people just yearn to feel harassed, threatened whatnot. Their wish to always be a victim should not take precedence over our frredoms or simple common fucking reason.
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Therp, I'm curious, nothing more.

You 'know' Jenn...1st & last name?

& the city she lives in...Roughly how large is this city & is it close to any major municipalities?

Could you easily locate her?

If so, how many others do you think this applies to?

Have you told her what an unmitigated twit she is? She can't possibly be that skittish & get out of bed in the am.
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Therp, I have no interest in the name of the city she lives in or even it's geographical location.

I asked about its size & whether it's associated with a major metro area b/c using a name to find someone in say Bertram Iowa is considerably easier than locating the same person in New York City with only a name. This assumes the name isn't wildly unusual.

I have no interest in knowing who ezJenn is. What I've seen hasn't been impressive. She strikes me as a whiny moron with cotton candy b/w her ears. Her actual name & city makes no difference. In fact I'd rather not know identifying information on anyone so pathologically timid.


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Therp, you thoroughly answered my questions. Thanks.

IF ezJenn is not so timid as to feel threatened then she's allowed anger to render her malicious & deceiving.

I've seen any number of RL incidents where people press charges for spozed threats only b/c their feelings were wounded, they were offended, embarrassed or angered. (Such overwrought emotions are frequently fueled with ethanol) It's a disgusting misuse of police resources which are already stretched dangerously thin. To see this behavior popping up online is even more disgusting.



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It's ridiculous to insist on seeing 'threats' in every utterance. MeinGott! What a pack of nervous nellies inhabit these boards. How can such timorous souls venture outside where there are real people that might be carrying real weapons who are prepared to make & carry out real threats?
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Wonder if anyone else has ever heard of RL incidents where people press charges because their feelings were wounded, or they were offended, or embarrassed, like JavaNoire's witnessed?



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I've seen any number of RL incidents where people press charges for spozed threats only b/c their feelings were wounded, they were offended, embarrassed or angered. (Such overwrought emotions are frequently fueled with ethanol)

It's a disgusting misuse of police resources which are already stretched dangerously thin. To see this behavior popping up online is even more disgusting.


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Nope. I'm not kidding you, They *are* that far gone. TheDot is demanding to know how I can be sure they won't come out here armed & dangerous if they're psycho enough to harass someone's (blissfully) unaware kid.

She's especially upset for her Grandma who initially answered the phone & is too sick to grasp what was being asked or why(not that theDot knew any better).

I suspect they've devoted their day to digging up all they can on me. And are clueless as to how pathetic they (again) prove themselves to be.

What was dripping from what body & caverns? Something went WHOOO SH right over my with the last part of your post
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Roy, the scummy cunt got my grrl rattled...TheDot called the police & the phone company & has conferred with them 2 or 3 times today.

I don't believe contacting my daughter was illegal, however reprehensible it is, but the police welcomed theDot's report.

They thought it was damned suspicious that a supposedly mature adult would go through a kid to get info.

I think they're concerned they're pedophiles rather than just run of the mill board snot.

Apparently it raises all kinds of flags to make uninitiated & unwelcome contact with a minor under such suspicious circumstances.

NOTHING about those two would surprise me. They have no boundaries, no brakes, no sense & no morals. Flotsam & Jetsam.
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Pffft. I'm mad about my grrl, Tek. I'd happily rip their throats out with my teeth if they touched a hair on her head.

The police agree with you, Roy & theDot. Actually, I think she was right to call them b/c one should err on the side of caution & heed those gut instincts that warn of potential trouble.

Contacting a kid is too fucking weird even for them(or so I thought)

Nah, lighten the moment all you want. It's much appreciated, I just didn't get it.

Yikes! I forgot. Tek, your condolences are appreciated. It's not my mother. She's a longtime friend of my mothers & is myDot's 'adopted' Grandma. TheDot has spent time with her damned near every day of her life since she was 4 mos old. It's a very hard time for her.

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"Clearly the simple shmoes yearn to be stalked harassed followed. Sad sick fucks."

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And from the day your employer was faxed a copy of the Cease & Desist notice, for approximately 10 more days, you made a series of visits to your local police department to file FALSE police reports against Hastings.

It took you nearly TEN days, and repeat visits in order to continue providing your local PD with false testimony, and manufactured false documentation you'd obtained from your board friends.

Did you happen to tell your "friends" that you were implicating them in a crime?

It is a crime to file a FALSE police report, you did know that, didn't you JavaNoire?

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JavaNoire, your post has nothing to do with the FALSE police reports you filed. You developed the police stories right here on The Ross Show, stating that the police believed Hastings to be pedophiles after your report.

Rather than bring innocent peeps into this mess, like Dee whom you poisoned years ago, why don't you get back to talking about the police reports.

Don't change the subject again, JavaNoire. I don't wish to engage you in any discussion but the police reports. Besides, your audience wants to know what you're capable of, I'm sure. Be certain to provide the headers of the emails you claimed you received. Also, be sure to explain who helped you, from these boards, provide the false manufactured documentation you provided to the police when you made your false police statements.

Wonder if Cit (beespecific) was one of the board friends who'd helped you manufacture the FALSE documentation you provided to your local Police Department, JavaNoire?

Well, here's what Cit (beespecific) had to say about you...


cruiseDirector:: So tell me, how do you know java?

beespecific:: From buying jewelry from some of the people she knows apparently. I didnt know she knew them, but she knew me from the T&S board

cruiseDirector:: So how did you connect?

beespecific:: She emailed me.

beespecific:: Well first her freind emailed me

beespecific:: The one who's auction I won

beespecific:: She had been suspended for shilling

cruiseDirector:: I see. So first her friend opens the door. Then java walks through it

beespecific:: She told me if I didnt want to I didnt have to go through with the auction

cruiseDirector:: How was that any of her business?

beespecific:: Well she opened the door because I won an auction and she became NARU

cruiseDirector:: 'She" meaning java's friend?

beespecific:: And as it turned out she was friends with Java

beespecific:: Yers the seller was a friend of Javas

cruiseDirector:: I see. So how did the subject of AR/PFG come up?

cruiseDirector:: PG

beespecific:: Java didnt say *you* or Lorraine actually were the ones who had reported her friend - she was just fishing



http://networkstalking.org/nucleus/index.php?itemid=8&catid=7#c
By the way, don't care to know what "friend" of yours was suspended for shill bidding, just want to know if you used Cit to file your FALSE police reports, and if Cit knows you may have implicated her in a crime, as you did the others?

:2slampan:

[JavaNoire]

As the Divas well know, I never filed any false police reports against them(or anyone). As the Divas know, I've never harassed them, RL or OL. Nor have I harassed their friends, families or employers. I have not contacted dying family or underaged children. I haven't inundated their employers with malicious lies. I have never blamed theDivas for problems I have with others. I don't accuse them of turning communities against me whenever people dislike or criticize me.

Despite the (gusty)lengths the Divas go to making their ugly & patently FALSE allegations, I don't need to go to those same (pointless)lengths denying their myriad lies.

Why haven't theDiva's posted copies of the purported false reports & emails. WHY??? HaHaHaHa. Now, that's an easy one, isn't it?

Their history is known across multiple boards. Again, they amply demonstrate why thay are universally scorned, despised & SHUNNED. Others have long tried to tell them what they must do to earn the approval & friendships they seek.

They refuse to make any necessary changes & I refuse to give a rats patoot. They are loathed b/c they are loathesome. AStealing boards, publishing private communications, piling on more lies & bs, contacting family & employers has not improved their standing with anyone but Lee.

IF they can't change, then they must content themselves with their little fan club of one. *shrug*Lee is noisy enough to make ten. Perhaps that suffices.

[JavaNoire]

FTR, Cit emailed me. I was extremely leery of communicating with her at that time b/c she was friendly with theDivas. Cit, I'd much appreciate it if you'd post those emails if you have them.

[Cyber Diva]

JavaNoire says..."As the Divas well know, I never filed any false police reports against them(or anyone). As the Divas know, I've never harassed them, RL or OL."

According to the police, you did provide them with FALSE info. and also, you were questioned by several officer and according to the police, your story even changed.

Do you want us to publish the FALSE police reports you filed against Hastings, or shall you?

[Cyber Diva]

correction of typo: officer to : <b>officers</b>

JavaNoire says..."As the Divas well know, I never filed any false police reports against them(or anyone). As the Divas know, I've never harassed them, RL or OL."

According to the police, you did provide them with FALSE info. and also, you were questioned by several <b>officers</b> and according to the police, your story even changed.

Do you want us to publish the FALSE police reports you filed against Hastings, or shall you?

------------------------------

[Cyber Diva]

As the Divas well know, I never filed any false police reports against them(or anyone). As the Divas know, I've never harassed them, RL or OL.

Actually we DO know that you filed a series of FALSE police reports. :1crazy:

Despite the (gusty)lengths the Divas go to making their ugly & patently FALSE allegations, I don't need to go to those same (pointless)lengths denying their myriad lies.


Actually we DO know that you've repeatedly alleged these things about the Hastings without ever once showing an actual quote to anything you've claimed they've said about you, nor have you once provided a link to substantiate your false claims.

This time, however, when you took board matters into the REAL World, the Police Department required that you provide "proof" of your claims wherein you alleged you'd been harassed, and that you were a "victim" of online harassment generated from these boards.

Again, tell your audience what you provided to the police. Show your audience the false manufactured documentation you provided to the police, and what board friends were tricked by you into providing you with information you claimed was going to be provided to your employer, but instead you used their names in a FALSE police report filed against Hastings. Do tell, please don't keep your audience waiting. :1liar3:

[JavaNoire]

It is theArts accusing me of filing FLASE police reports. (A lie)

TheArts that have (loong) accused me of interfering with their business & harassing them. (More lies)

TheArts have NO respecrt for privacy...They put no limits on their invasions into others lives, including harassing underaged kids & dying old ladies so WHY won't they post these police reports & emails? WHY????

FTR, I don't care what they *say* about me OL. I will not tolerate their invasions into my RL, especially as concerns my daughter.

[rossshow]

FTR, I don't care what they *say* about me OL. I will not tolerate their invasions into my RL, especially as concerns my daughter. Good attitude.

[agentorange]

I don't know what java and cit "did together", but Java never posted on my board (where her friends hang out) or communicated to me any desire to have me or anyone else get involved in her police report against whomever maliciously phoned her home. It is only in a delusional cardump world where such interference and "add ons" would ever be successful, or even allowed--they are not in reality any benefit to the victim. The idea that a victim of phone harassment would require several friends, living thousands of miles away, to call the police to "me too" the report is absurd. I, just like the police, have no way of knowing WHO called java's home, but the police have an easy method to find out, by placing a trace on the phone call. While the police will not release to the victim who the caller was, they can press charges against the perpetrator. None of that is necessary if the caller ID shows the caller's name, but I highly doubt that happened, considering this was a malicious phone call. Just to be clear, I learned of the phone call to java's home after she had already filed a police report about the incident, and I assume that is when everyone else learned of it as well. When she first posted about the incident, I urged her to file a police report, and she said she already had, and that was the end of the story. Java maintains that you called her, Lorraine, based on the preponderance of the evidence that she has, however I don't know if the police have confirmed (or if they plan to) that you were the caller, or if they intend to take it further. Therefore, I cannot imagine how you've come to the conclusion that the police report was false. Even if java told them she beleived it was you who called (which is understandable!), the police would discard this information should the phone trace show something different. And you never would have been made aware of the police report unless you were charged with a crime, or unless they called you to investigate--which may have happened, in which case you should tell the truth, and then be done with it, or seek legal counsel, and then be done with it. I know that you aren't the only one capable of calling someone like this--in fact, every single female member of the cardump criminal harassment board (and the gay males) have a rich history of vicious phone harassment. If the police were doing their jobs, which they don't usually do, they would have traced the call and found the evidence to support the case themselves, and taken appropriate action against the caller.

[Cyber Diva]

It is theArts accusing me of filing FLASE police reports. (A lie)

TheArts that have (loong) accused me of interfering with their business & harassing them. (More lies)

TheArts have NO respecrt for privacy...They put no limits on their invasions into others lives, including harassing underaged kids & dying old ladies so WHY won't they post these police reports & emails? WHY????

FTR, I don't care what they *say* about me OL. I will not tolerate their invasions into my RL, especially as concerns my daughter.

You are indeed, a liar. The propensity for lying is never a "good attitude."

A series of FALSE police reports were filed and they had NOTHING to do with a daughter, or a dying landlord (bogus "grandma").

The details of all of this will be brought to light....and published at the appropriate time.

See:

www.networkstalking.org

for more details....

[The Kings Noyse]

...whomever maliciously phoned her home....The idea that a victim of phone harassment would require several friends...is absurd...I...have no way of knowing WHO called java's home.Brandon, you are correct: In fact, you have no way of "knowing" other than by giving a receptive ear to the unexamined testimony of a pathological liar, and that is why you don't know what you're talking about. You have been posing yourself as an impartial judge, while parroting libelous falsehoods as if they were facts, without any corroboration or proof whatsoever, and that is the quality of a dupe, not of an objective fact finder. There exists no evidence of "malicious telephone harassment"; certainly neither you nor your client have offered any, and yet you are quite willing to assume facts not in evidence that are based on nothing more than the word of a malicious, proven serial liar. If you examine your client's own statements, you will find many glaring inconsistencies, but you have questioned none of that. Jerry already has forced this witness to admit on this forum that no calls were made to her home, that the woman was no "grandma," and that the identity of the caller has not been ascertained, and yet here you are as if you were never there. In fact, you were on that thread, and so there's no excuse for such "misunderstanding" now.
Java maintains that you called her, Lorraine, based on the preponderance of the evidence that she has, however I don't know if the police have confirmed (or if they plan to) that you were the caller, or if they intend to take it further.
Your client may "maintain" that she's not a stalker, that she hasn't spread malicious lies about Lorraine and me, that she hasn't been involved in online harassment and business-interference, and that the Moon is made of Swiss cheese, for all I care, because the facts say otherwise; and you are free to follow her wherever her lying shenanigans may take you. The "preponderance" of the evidence you speak of is contains no truth, and anyone that uncritically accepts what she says concerning this matter on the basis of her word alone is a fool. You should call the police yourself and inquire how the bogus "case" was closed, because then you wouldn't have to speculate about what you obviously don't know.
Therefore, I cannot imagine how you've come to the conclusion that the police report was false.
What is difficult to imagine is how you can believe otherwise. You have provided no evidence other than pure speculation and false hearsay, and yet you are perfectly willing to state with such certainty that the police reports were not false, and to thereon question valid statements to the contrary, which are based on a complete set of demonstrable facts, as opposed to the crap that has been fed to you and to the rest of this community.
Even if java told them she beleived it was you who called (which is understandable!), the police would discard this information should the phone trace show something different.
Then that would explain why the case has been closed for six months with the bogus allegations described therein as "unfounded." Evidently, the police are smarter, more thorough, and are more adept at sifting through mountains of garbage than you are. Last December, when Nuke felt the walls closing in on him as a result of his own misdeeds, he also tried to preempt his victim by filing a frivolous police report, with the same result. Evidently, the police are on to that maneuver.
And you never would have been made aware of the police report unless you were charged with a crime, or unless they called you to investigate--which may have happened, in which case you should tell the truth, and then be done with it, or seek legal counsel, and then be done with it.
Are you sure about that? For if these are the only two possible means for being "made aware of the police report" then how did you become aware of the bogus report, if not through either of these two methods?

Fortunately, there's no need to speculate, because you tell us right here: "I learned of the phone call to java's home after she had already filed a police report about the incident, and I assume that is when everyone else learned of it as well"; And for once, you have assumed correctly, as we learned of the existence of the specious, frivolous, harassment report at the same time and in the same way as you learned of it. And upon learning of the existence of the false report (indeed, knowing the identity of the reporter, how could it be anything but false?), we then arranged for the police to be contacted, and they were then provided with the facts that had been conveniently omitted. Shortly thereafter, the case was closed as unfounded, despite the strenuous and malicious efforts by your client to make something out of nothing.

Now, maliciously filing a false police report is a crime, a crime that has been perpetrated against us; therefore, we won't "be done with it" until that matter has been fully addressed through appropriate legal means.

[agentorange]

I think you entirely miss my point, so I will state it once more and then not again. If java, or anyone for that matter, received a harassing phone call to her home, the appropriate action for her to take is to file a police report. It does not matter if Java offers the police information as to whom she beleives made the call, because that is not evidence or proof of anything. It is the police officer's duty to investigate the alleged crime (trace the call, etc) and determine who made the call, if that can be determined, and then assertain whether or not the phone call meets the criteria for harassment. What java reports on the rossshow is of no consequence to the investigation, and neither is anything that cit or any of java's friends tell the police of any consequence to the alleged phone harassment. It is further not your place or anyone else's to determine that "no such call took place", because how could you know if no such call took place? All you could possibly know is whether or not YOU made such a call. If you didn't, then the police report she filed doesn't concern you, even if she alleges you made the call, for the police cannot use her "assumption" to form any basis of fact--it's not evidence. If you did indeed phone her home, but maintain that it wasn't a harassing call, that is the only way I can see how you'd be involved in the case to any extent, and therefore claim that the call wasn't as java says it was.

There is a huge difference between filing a false report to law enforcement and filing an accurate report to law enforcement which includes victim's beliefs which may turn out to be unfounded. If java was harassed over the telephone, then her report to law enforecement was accurate to claim that--if she told them she "BELIEVES" so and so did it, that is her opinion, and definately a tidbit the police would have interest in knowing, whether or not her belief turns out to be true or false--that's the whole point of an "investigation", to determine what is true, what is not true, and what cannot be determined. Obviously, even establishing that a call was made and knowing who placed the call is not an open and shut case, as phoning someone is not in and of itself a crime. Then, it must be established that the call was harassing in nature, which if it wasn't recorded, is nearly impossible to do--it then becomes a he said she said situation, whereby the police will likely take no further action other than to inform the party who placed the call to begin with to cease contact with the "victim". In my opinion, this isn't going anywhere. I don't know what she or you told the police--it's none of my business, even though you both have posted about it in a public forum.

[JavaNoire]

Diva doesn't deny calling my daughter & her Grandma. Instead she resorts to flinging shit while hoping that the stink won't be found to have originated with her.

It's transparently obvious the bs originates with them. Only Tex was fooled & he's still in hiding. Now that's a damned shame. I wonder if Texas Banjo still fails to see that it was *them* calling my daughter & her grandma. They were indeed so low, so slimy, so DEPRAVED as to harass & deceive an underaged kid & her dying grandma.

Soooo, where are these emails & police reports? WHY won't they post them? Privacy invasions & unwelcome intrusions into the lives of others are as natural to them as breathing. Of course posting any of the actual documents will only support everything I've said & refute their LIES(again).

I explained it to the police exactly as I've stated it here & elsewhere. I don't care what lies they care to spin about me OL. I wouldn't much care even if they did have a shred of credibility. As it is, despite their myriad attempts to spin lie deflect lie blame lie accuse distort lie obfuscate confuse lie lie lieLieLIELIELIE, they lack any credibility or respect. They're notorious buffoons good for nothing but a stale laugh(or 2).

As I explained to the police, all that I care about is that they stay out of my life, remain COMPLETELY removed from my RL friends, family, employment, neighbors etc. IF they don't, there is official documentation that such contact is unwelcome & unwarranted.

Despite theArtful hand waving & hoopla they were unable to provide the police with ONE instance to back up the fibs&fables, lies&damned*lies they inundated their bogus C&D with. I have NEVER
called them
written them
emailed them
threatened them
bid on their auctions
discouraged their bidders
left them FB
referred to them in *my* FB
(ugh)sexually solicited them

FTR, it was NOT an eBay pink that revealed MrDiva's selling ID...A fellow boardster connected the dots & arrived at the answer. Diva also 'contributed' when she admitted it was her husband that started a wildly contentious thread on T&S & begged the regulars to avoid fighting with him...

They realllly oughta post that thread(among many!). But the cowards won't. Art huffs&puffs about the light of truth, but you'll notice he's unwilling to admit any but the most abreviated rays of light/truth. *Truth* that isn't heavily varnished, chopped apart & rearranged shows him(& her) for exactly what they are...Sad, driven souls, allergic to truth, honor & personal responsibility.

[rossshow]

Diva doesn't deny calling my daughter & her Grandma. Yeah. I noticed that.

[JavaNoire]

Brandon, your assumptions are correct, btw. Their spewage is so over the top, implausible & transparent that corroboration from others simply isn't required. Numerous boards are replete with postings that speak(LOUDLY) to theDivas' character, personalities, motivations & history. Even apart from harassing the underaged & the dying, they're schmuck fucks to the nth.

[Cyber Diva]

I did not call this vicious liar's daughter. Is that clear enough for you.

The character you've attributed to me, is not me, JavaNoire, but is some monstrous fiction created by a handful of internet LIARS, on "numerous boards."

You don't know me, and you don't know my husband, but you will be hearing from our lawyer, concerning the FALSE police reports you have malicously filed.

So enjoy your party while it lasts.

[JavaNoire]

Ross, the calls to my daughter, & her grandma, were done to garner personal information. This information was successfully obtained through deception & pretense (Diva pretended to be a long lost*GAG*friend) IF Diva didn't actually make the calls, then a female acquaintance did so acting for her(them).

FTR, Diva did not deny making the calls to the police. I welcome hearing from her lawyer. Hopefully, the lawyer is smarter, more sensible & more ethical than those two. Any lawyer that's even marginally competent will quickly ascertain what theArts are about & advise 'em appropriately...As in do NOT bother people with your UNWELCOME intrusions into the most personal aspects of their lives...ie back off NOW.

[mouthymouse]

I'm not planning on joining this fight.......but I am going to be bitchy for a minute, because for the past year, I've seen java go from board to board to board bad-mouthing diva every chance she gets with so many twists to this story it's ridiculous.

Java, I'm sorry your daughter is so sheltered she cannot handle a bill-collector type phone call, does not know how to hang up the phone or tell the inquistive person it's none of their business, or to call back later and talk to "you" if they want information.

When I was her age, I was already living on my own, with my own apartment, (no roomates to help with rent). When my mother was her age, she was already married with her own apartment. My grandmother was living away from home renting a room in town, going to college. My great-grandmother was already married, living out in the wilderness with her husband and had already lost a baby, (buried in a cracker box, she was so distressed she tried to take the stage-coach back to her family, but my great-grandfather went after her and brought her back to their cabin........sad story repeated over and over by my grandmother).

Maybe you should stop living online l long enough to help your daughter get a little prepared for living in an adult world? Are you planning to just support her, and keep her sheltered at home forever? She isn't going to college next year?

Sorry your adopted grandma died too. My grandma died a couple of months ago and it's a sad thing to deal with.

Okay.........I'll quit being bitchy, but hope you can contain your trolling of diva to this board for a while. There are other boards I like to read and am tired of seeing this thing everywhere.

[JavaNoire]

Not planning on joining this fight? Now how disingenuous is that?

MM, you are WRONG. Completely. Whether you're LYING or mistaken I don't know, nor do I care.

TheArts relentlessly troll those that disagree with them. I'm only one of their numerous targets.

TheDivas misuse & abuse of eBay member information to harass, bully & intimidate is known & documented. You're fine with this. Others aren't. Perhaps, this is b/c you haven't been targeted by them. IF you were subjected to their malice & insanity you might be less smug.

They have lied about me, & slandered me, across numerous boards. They were doing this on RJ before I even knew of RJ (or TCW). WHAT is your explanation for that? You were aware of what they were doing. You probably participated. Did their rambling posts replete with disjointed C&Ps from posts I'd made on eBay several years earlier ever make you wonder??? Were you ever mildly curious to perhaps see entire threads? Or at least whole posts?

You are funny, MM. My criticisms of them, confined to board discussions, arouse your ire to the extent that you defend their harassment of the underaged & terminally ill. Are you equally comfortable with the packet of LIES they sent my employer? Or their posting of my full name. Or their THEFT of Alan's board? How about posting TCW members' private correspondence? Or the names, addresses, even phone #s of those that have shown the temerity to disagree with them? What about the bogus CI reports they've made on so many innocent eBay members who (gasp)disagreed with them?? Does any of this strike you as unsavory. ie WRONG?

The 'bill collector type call' you so blithely reference is an ILLEGAL collection tactic. Got that? AGAINST THE LAW...Deceptive. Dishonest. Unethical. & (again)**ILLEGAL**

IF you tolerate people violating the privacy & equanimity of your friends, family, your employer & yourself I pity your friends & family. I'm not compelled to heed your ill considered 'advice' & tyvm but I won't.

My daughter is so sheltered??? The ARROGANCE of this assumption is exceeded only by it's STUPIDTY. Both of which are trumped by sheer BOORISHNESS.

In (largely)monosyllabic words...You're talking out your ass. Totally. You don't know my daughter. You're completely unqualified to make such judgments. You will remain so, unless you plan, ala Diva, to make unwelcome intrusions into her life. I've never considered you that slimy. Then too, I (previously) thought that was beneath even theDivas!

I'm as indifferent to the marriage customs/habits in your family as you should be to mine. There are those that incestuously marry at 12 or 13. As unimpressed as I am with their choices, I'm equally disinclined to follow yours. IOW, stuff it. Take your self righteous priggery where it might put a welt on a gnats heinie.

[Cyber Diva]

Hi Mouse!

"TheDivas misuse & abuse of eBay member information to harass,"

That's almost laughable. :1kool1-ai eBay is the source of the problem, and allowing users to anonymously harass businesses for years, is against the LAW. So is anonymously harassing and libeling anyone on the net. Get used to it.

eBay's days of NOT policing their site, and allowing criminals, "fences" and con-men to do police it for them, is also coming to an end. Get used to it.
:1kiss1:


Please visit: www.networkstalking.org


Also, of interest… eBay solicits new businesses from the various Trade Shows around the country, promising those “main street” business owners, the good life of owning an eBay store v. the world wide web. Not once is it mentioned that if one wants to close down their eBay store, for whatever reason, they are forced to accept the wording, chosen by eBay that the store owner is :

No Longer A Registered User

This is not a very favorable choice of wording for the store owner. In fact, it could have a negative effect for the store owner.

This particular wording is what eBay continues to use, as of today’s date, regardless of whether or not eBay suspended the account user, or the user wished to close down their eBay stores.

Perhaps in the future, eBay will consider wording which is more accurate and favorable to such users, such as: Closed store by order of customer, on such and such date.

The only other option available to an eBay web-store owner is “vacation” status, a choice which is suggested even if the store owner is not going on vacation.

In addition, “vacation” status holders continue to be charged monthly service fees for their stores, regardless if they’ve listed items in their store, or not.

[Cyber Diva]

By the way, the libeler and filer of FALSE police reports said the notice to the employer was rendered "meanless" due to it's content, yet now the libeler says the following:

JavaTheLibeler says, "Are you equally comfortable with the packet of LIES they sent my employer?"

Therefore, a copy of the C& D can be viewed by any interested party, it was published after this LIAR reproduced an altered version of the notice for her board associates:
------------------------

Final Note: No one libeled JavaNoire on Rumjungle, for RJ's members were not libelers.

Cease & Desist was published for the first time on August 25, 2006: It is 100% accurate, and was 100% ignored by JavaNoire: In fact, she's gotten much worse & more libelous.

http://networkstalking.org/nucleus/index.php?catid=17&blogid=1

[JavaNoire]

TheDivas once again quote themselves to support themselves.

They again do this while making it appear they're using *outside* sources.

It would only be a surprise if they didn't do this.

Diva's multiple personalities need to come together & resolve her differences with herself...Y'know the harasser vs the one decrying harassment...That which employs AI vs she*who*rails*against*it...The bullying cyber-stalker vs the one invoking the Patriot act...The one yelping for privacy vs that which plasters CI/PI across the net...The one screaming tortious interference vs the one sending packets of LIES to employers(or intruding on unaware family & friends).

Someone clue the sad moke...Confusion is NOT synonymous with interesting. She has the mental acumen of soggy crackers. Piling on the insanity only makes her look crazy, NOT intriguing.

[Cyber Diva]

TheDivas once again quote themselves to support themselves.

They again do this while making it appear they're using *outside* sources.



Against my better judgment I must come back to this thread and say.... it's NOT clear what JavaNoire's even talking about, most of the time, because she NEVER give links or quotes to her countless FALSE and misleading accusations.

We do however, use outside sources, and in fact, we also used investigators, as it related to eBay matters. Although I cannot for the life of me imagine, where it is that JavaNoire gets all of her, oh so many, facts about us. lol

Maybe she pulls them out of her tinfoil hat? :1apileoff

Ciao
:1chirol_c

[confusers]

If the Divas are so paranoid about everyone on the OAI to the point where they need to publish chats, makes blogs of people's CI/PI, perhaps they should stop reading, stop stalking people, and stop meddling in other people's lives online and off.

You get as good as you give, Divas, but it seems you don't see nor care what you're doing to everyone...you only see what they're "doing" to you. There's a reason why you were kicked off eBay (lucky eBay, lucky us). Maybe you should heed the words of others and get a clue why you are so despised on these boards. I've never seen such whining and babbling in all my life! :1both:

If you want this to end, all you need to do is to remove all CI/PI from your websites. You haven't given anyone a chance to believe a word you've said because everything out of your mouth has been disproven a million times over. You have no credibility here, Diva or Noyse. I don't think I've seen a more paranoid pair in all my life. You deserve each other. :1dig:

[Cyber Diva]

Hi FOD! You and your e-associates have published everything we've got, (and google) so, keep that in mind, baby!

Don't you want to talk about what goes around comes around, anymore? Nah, didn't think so.

Your reign of internet stalking and abuse is coming to an end. So is eBay's turning a blind eye on your anonymous harassment. Stay tuned: :1chirol_c

[biondobabe]

They spend so much time minding OPB they neglected theirs. NARU! 'bout time.

[Cyber Diva]

If you want this to end, all you need to do is to remove all CI/PI from your websites.

If we want what to end? That sounds like a threat for further terrorism. And what websites? We have:

www.networkstalking.org which is dedicated to the discovery of eBay - A Breeding Ground for Online Vigilantism.

No matter how many times you LIARS say we owned Cartbay.com, will not make the fact that it's a lie, come true.

Ciao

[Cyber Diva]

They spend so much time minding OPB they neglected theirs. NARU! 'bout time.


Really? You don't say?

Please visit:

www.networkstalking.org

[confusers]

If we want what to end? That sounds like a threat for further terrorism. And what websites? We have:

www.networkstalking.org which is dedicated to the discovery of eBay - A Breeding Ground for Online Vigilantism.

No matter how many times you LIARS say we owned Cartbay.com, will not make the fact that it's a lie, come true.

Ciao

A threat? Where do you see a threat, Loopy? I'm telling you that if you want people to leave you alone, leave them alone. It's nothing more than that.

And did you see me say anything about Cartbay, moron? You've forgotten about alans-libel-lounge that quickly? My, my, you are a detriment to your own self, Lorraine.

I've told you I'm not FOD, but believe what you will.'

[Cyber Diva]

You're not FOD today, your mary. wow, was that tuff to figure out.

As far as Alan's site goes, that's a parody, soon to change into reality.

He was also given ample time to change. He only got worse. Just like you, grandslam, Mary.

[biondobabe]

Really? You don't say?

Please visit:

www.networkstalking.org



And why would I want to visit there?


Soooo... What happened?
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll (http://)

[Cyber Diva]

You get as good as you give, Divas, but it seems you don't see nor care what you're doing to everyone...

Here's something worth noting, it's about what you & your ilk have done to others, for over four years now, on eBay:

This was told to eBay’s attorney Rob [redacted], on August 31, 2006…

We first became aware of this practice of offline sharing of private information among members to garner support during discussions and to organize attacks on targeted members nearly 4 years ago when Sandy [redacted] (lady_boardwalker, Heartland Antiques) posted to a T&S discussion in December, 2002 the following: “You are well aware that I’m referring to your and your wife’s other accounts. I’d be happy to provide those ID’s to anyone who e-mails me, providing I recognize your ID…”


There's a reason why you were kicked off eBay (lucky eBay, lucky us).
It may interest you to know, that we surrendered our eBay accounts so that eBay and eBay's vigilante groups, could no longer hold us hostage (or silence us.).

Also, it may further interest you to know that eBay's wording, when one ends their account, is somewhat misleading for there is NO other wording used by eBay, than the following:

No longer a registered user.

They offered "vacation" status as a choice, however, that would seem rather odd, don't you think? One doesn't generally leave for vacation when they are being hunted down and stalked by eBay terrorists. 1bonk1:

Bye bye FOD & Little Mary, you've not fooled anyone, with your grandslam performances.

:rolleyes:

[biondobabe]

It would seem to make more sense to just leave the ebay help boards, off ebay boards that ebay people frequent and ignore them entirely and continue to maintain your livelyhood. :2gamecock

Out of sight, out of mind. :irollers2

When most people choose to engage with others, whether it's in a positive or negative light they accept the responsiblity of what may come back @ them. If they don't like it, they move on and stop engaging. With a small handful of ebay people there are the shit stirrers, the stalkers, and the truly insane that choose to continue engaging. I think all have been contained successfully to CWL or @ once had board control of TCW.


Wish you the best in your new endevors. :1chirol_c

[Cyber Diva]

Thanks Lon. A lot happened after the lawful closure of the Car Wash live, harassment board. Some things led us in the direction we are now taking.

Here's one example of eBay terrorism. As it turned out, this good fella was actually representing 100 King-Pins who'd organized a walk-out:



Comment
nuke all scammers
ezOP run amuck!


(4/19/05 9:47 pm)
Reply
ezSupporter

To Rob Chesnut and the Executive Office of Ebay.
The walkout.

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To Rob Chesnut and the Executive Office of Ebay.
nuke_all_scammers (40 ) View Listings | Report Apr-19-05 19:37 PDT
I have been "nominated" by some 70-100 regular posters of this board to give you this message.

Due to the lack of enforcement of posting policies, not to mention the UA, most of the regular posters on the T&S board will no longer be offering help to other Ebay members. This will be in effect for at least 24 hours, starting tonight at midnight Pacific , but could be extended indefinetly if necessary.

The reason is simple. There has been an ongoing problem on this board and Live World has failed in removing posts containing pornographic material, threats (including death threats) and other infractions of the board policy in a timely manner. Some of these posts were up for several hours which is unacceptable.

Many of the regular posters have contacted Ebay's legal department, the Executive Office, the board "pinks" and other employees about this problem. I have been informed that there has been no response to their queries and no action has been taken against the offending user/users. This is also unacceptable. Plenty of time has passed and Ebay has the resources to put an end to these activities but hasn't. Instead Ebay has apparently chosen to leave people out in the "cold" so to speak.

The group of people who I'm speaking for volunteer countless hours and resources without being paid. They have the realistic expectation that if it hits the fan then Ebay will step in to correct the situation and do what they can to insure it doesn't happen again.

Dead silence and no action doesn't cut it. The relationship is no longer symbiotic but is parasitic. The group of people who are going on "strike" won't tolerate it.

So there you have it Mr.Chesnut, the members of the Executive Office and the other Ebay employees who have been contacted about this situation. The ball is in your court. What are you going to do?

People who need help are advised to contact Ebay at:

Communityoutreach@ebay.com

or you can go to live help by going to the Ebay homepage and hitting the live help link located in the upper right hand corner.

Nuke

[bojangles]

Diva... what is your quess to the amount of ebay employees or affilates going to the forums and trying to hamper competition and to misdirect???

[biondobabe]

Now Diva all though Nukey displayed his little letter, he is known to embellish and his little walkout had no intention of being done. :1liar3:


He couldn't rally the homeless that hang out in front of his library he posts from to get bathroom privileges, let alone the number he said would particpate for the walk-out.


Those who know Nuke knows Nuke's blow-hard ways; they laughed and shrugged it off. He's all bark and no bite.


Bad example.

[JavaNoire]

Of course, those that are strictly buyers are in no way *competition* for anyone on eBay.

I don't sell. I never have. I doubt that I ever will. This is true of my family & friends as well. Several yrs ago I worked with someone whose wife sold BarBie dolls on eBay but that's truly a remote connection. Ditto my friendly postal employee who regularly buys from eBay & sells only a few things a year...

Most eBay members, buyers & sellers, don't use the boards & are completely unswayed by what occurs on them. I suspect eBay loves em b/c they generate lots of sparks, plenty of noise, yet just behind the scenes it's business as usual.

[Cyber Diva]

Diva... what is your quess to the amount of ebay employees or affilates going to the forums and trying to hamper competition and to misdirect???

Not sure exactly what you mean. Sorry. Perhaps you can explain it a bit more clearly for me, if you don't mind. :1hug1:

Please visit:

www.networkstalking.org

[Heartland]

This was told to eBay’s attorney Rob [redacted], on August 31, 2006…

LOL, didn't do you much good, I see. My accounts are still in good standing at eBay. Yours? Oops, I see they're not. Too bad, so sad.

:1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r

No one is buying your lie about that, either. Anyone who's been around for awhile knows what an account looks like when it's been closed by the user. Hint: Not like yours. :sm1194:

Crazy witch, you've got some nerve calling anyone else a liar. :stfu:

[JavaNoire]

Confusers say, If the Divas are so paranoid about everyone on the OAI to the point where they need to publish chats, makes blogs of people's CI/PI, perhaps they should stop reading, stop stalking people, and stop meddling in other people's lives online and off.

You get as good as you give, Divas, but it seems you don't see nor care what you're doing to everyone...you only see what they're "doing" to you. There's a reason why you were kicked off eBay (lucky eBay, lucky us). Maybe you should heed the words of others and get a clue why you are so despised on these boards. I've never seen such whining and babbling in all my life! :1both:

If you want this to end, all you need to do is to remove all CI/PI from your websites. You haven't given anyone a chance to believe a word you've said because everything out of your mouth has been disproven a million times over. You have no credibility here, Diva or Noyse. I don't think I've seen a more paranoid pair in all my life. You deserve each other.
Now, that bears repeating.

As does this...
Confusers again;...if you want people to leave you alone, leave them alone. It's nothing more than that.
Confusers, I don't know who you are. I barely know who you aren't(FOD & Little) but your big logic is flawless.

[Cyber Diva]

LOL, didn't do you much good, I see. My accounts are still in good standing at eBay. Yours? Oops, I see they're not. Too bad, so sad.

:1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r

No one is buying your lie about that, either. Anyone who's been around for awhile knows what an account looks like when it's been closed by the user. Hint: Not like yours. :sm1194:

Crazy witch, you've got some nerve calling anyone else a liar. :stfu:

Nice to see you Sandy the stalker. Nice try, at bluffing too, but at least you finally recognized your statement regarding member to member contact, the business interference you'd repeatedly denied engaging in, in the past. You're famous now.

Also, do tell what an eBay account looks like when an account was closed by a user, like you say. You should have no problem defining the difference, right now, right here for everyone to see. Don't run off now....

Perhaps you can also inform eBay too, since they advised that they only give one choice, no longer a registered user. Were they lying, and Sandy knows more?

[Heartland]

Blah blah blabiddy blah blah ... same old crazy witch.

No one cares, Lorraine. Everyone knows (with the possible exception of MM) that you are nuttier than a freaking fruitcake. They rolls their eyes at you, Lorraine. They twirl their finger next to their ear when you post. You have zero credibility on these boards, and you accomplished that feat all by yourself. You reek of insanity.

I don't run from you, crazy witch. You, on the other hand, have run from me many, many times, when I've called you on your lies and demanded proof. You've yet to provide a single shred of evidence that I've done any of the things you wildly claim I have. Where are those famous "records" Lorraine? Still waiting!

Insane jerk. You don't get to ask me questions, ever. Why don't you post the entire thread from which you lifted that quote, coward?

A note to Mouthy Mouse ... when you attack someone's personal life and family, you should expect to receive the same treatment. Just fair warning that no whining allowed when it happens, 'k?

Do you personally know Java and her family? If not, why in the world would you presume to preach about how she raises her daughter, when you have no idea how she raises her?

How many children have you raised, Mouthy Mouse?

[Cyber Diva]

In other words, you were lying to this community when you said that an eBay user can close their account and have the record show something different than :

No longer a registered user

That's why you won't answer the question, Sandy, but you had no qualms about misleading people again, and acting all silly. Of course not.

As far as the records go, please visit:

www.networkstalking.org

have a look around, there's much more to come.

And your sticking up for JavaNoire at Mouse's expense is so noble. Internet liars must stick together, as everybody knows. :1chirol_r

[Cyber Diva]

A note to Mouthy Mouse ...Do you personally know Java and her family? If not, why in the world would you presume to preach about how she raises her daughter, when you have no idea how she raises her?

How many children have you raised, Mouthy Mouse?

That's almost laughable! JavaNoire doesn't know the people whom she libels every day. Nor does she know their families, but we didn't see you object to any of that, Sandy. :1kool1-ai Oh yes, internet LIARS and libelers must stick together.

[JavaNoire]

Sandy, I'd venture Diva has less than zero credibility. Considerably less. MrDiva has even less than she does.

They are, & always have been, their own worst enemies. I've never seen anyone interfere with, or undermine, their businesses but themselves.

Sandy, pointing the finger of blame at you, Jenn, Dee, Alan & myself is soooo easy..So fast & satisfying. Yet, they continually fail to realize that ultimately it's not merely ineffective, it's counterproductive. sighhhSubtle they ain't.

[Cyber Diva]

See "Poison" on the lurkline, too, what a party. :1kool1-ai
Poison will no longer be posting anonymously either in the coming days ahead.

Please visit:

www.networkstalking.org

[JavaNoire]

Y'know Sandy, eBay did them a HUGE favor. Now they can post the CI/PI of innocent people without restraint...Not that they ever had much compunction about doing so.

I feel for the innocents they bully & harass but they've undeniably established what kind of people they are & what they'll do to those they dislike.

Someone recently asked why I'm not angrier at what they did to myDot & myself. *shrug*I expect a snake to slither, a shark to snap. It's who/what they are. Why take any of it personally?

[Cyber Diva]

Hey Mouse, notice how it's still the same ole Car Wash trash? Not much has changed over the years, they've just migrated to different boards, pretending they were never a part of what made up, the Car Wash. Some even refer to the Car Wash, as the "dump." Imagine that!! lol Wonder where Hanna is, speaking of Car Wash trash? Remember Hanna, Mouse? Now, there was a piece of work. Oh Hanna, where are you? :8heartbea

[Cyber Diva]

Y'know Sandy, eBay did them a HUGE favor. Now they can post the CI/PI of innocent people without restraint...Not that they ever had much compunction about doing so.

I feel for the innocents they bully & harass but they've undeniably established what kind of people they are & what they'll do to those they dislike.

Someone recently asked why I'm not angrier at what they did to myDot & myself. *shrug*I expect a snake to slither, a shark to snap. It's who/what they are. Why take any of it personally?


What innocent people? Show us one? lol

We put up our site on August 25, 2006, after being advised to do so. We notified eBay to close our accounts on Thursday, September 14, 2006. We did NOT want our accounts to reflect "gone on vacation." It has not been a vacation dealing with eBay terrorism.

Hey, by the way, what ever happened to "jenniferisunusual." We noted her account was "purged," and scrubbed. Is that not correct info? We correct it, if it's not correct.

Please visit:

www.networkstalking.org

[JavaNoire]

Questions about Jenn s/b directed to Jenn.

How typical that Mr&MrsDiva voluntarily quit eBay to pursue new(better) directions yet they continue to play the blame game...Sighhh. They seek better things for themselves & still cannot resist accusing others of being at fault even while their lives IMPROVE!

IF Diva ever opens her eyes she'll discover she's surrounded by people innocent of the crimes & misdeeds she wantonly accuses them of committing.

She can stick her fingers in her ears, squeeze her eyes tightly shut & sing LaaLalalaLaaLaaLaaaLaaa as loudly as she cares to. Her intransigent refusal to admit reality, alters nothing. I am among the innocents.

[JavaNoire]

I'd ask for a smattering of examples of eBay terrorism but I don't have Pappy's waders...

[bojangles]

umm.. i'm trying to figure all this out .. still have to read more to catch it..

BUT there are alot of devious stuff going on in forums and chat rooms ... people with many agendas going to try to cause harm..

this wagglepop issue and bidville issue......both saw people acting in strange ways..... first when bidville came on the scene a guy on vendio starting non stop hollaring how bad it is..... spending all his time on being negative about bidville... very ODD for a person to be doing with his time.......anybody know this issue of dimview and bidville??


then the wagglepop issue and then there were more of this from others....and these people trying to influence everyone going to one forum and to another....

what is your view of this diva??? and is your situation similar???

HERE is the CLUE.... it is if a person has no interest in something.... they usually go to a different thing that they ARE interested in..... staying on an issue and being negative.... means UP TO NO GOOD !!!

diva have you caught some doing this and are you trying to EXPOSE this stuff??

[JavaNoire]

In what way do you see Diva as being *positive*?

What is WP?

Or bidville?

[Cyber Diva]

IF Diva ever opens her eyes she'll discover she's surrounded by people innocent of the crimes & misdeeds she wantonly accuses them of committing.


Try reading the news... crimes are being commited on eBay by eBayers.....and there are a good number of those not yet caught, who've been covering for the criminals, too. Google the following stories:
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Retail Thieves Come Clean

July 11, 2006 Wasau, WI U.S.A. 32 year-old Tiffany MUENCHOW and her husband Jason were charged with felony theft and receiving stolen property, of which they have confessed to all charges. The MUENCHOW’s having no other employment, stole from large retailers, and sold the items via online auctions to cover their families living expenses. Wasau Police worked with an eBay/PayPal Fraud investigator to identify the history of these individuals, and the scope of their crimes.

Precarious Parents Picked-up by Police

June 30, 2006 Bellefontaine, OH 36 and 37 year-old Todd and Laura MORRIS were found guilty of engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity, receiving stolen property, and child endangering. The center of this activity involved the MORRIS' forcing their three daughters to shoplift clothes, tools, and collectibles from stores, after which the parents would sell the items on eBay. An eBay-PayPal Fraud Investigator assisted law enforcement with the case examining and documenting the behavior by the MORRIS'.

Quote:

Housekeeper swindles antique treasures!

June 16, 2006 Wampsville, NY 64 year-old Ann MORGILLO was sentenced to 90 days in jail, and ordered to pay restitution for stealing antique coins from the home where she worked as a housekeeper. MORGILLO, a former antique dealer, had a house cleaning business, which allowed her access to the home where she eventually stole the antique coins while her victims were away on vacation. After stealing the coin collection, she was able to accurately price, and sell them on eBay, until the family (who noticed the missing collection) reported the issue to the police. This started a joint investigation with NY State Police and eBay-PayPal Fraud Investigations into MORGILLO, and her selling activities.

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ID thief gets nabbed red handed!

June 12, 2006 Hillsborough County, FL18 year-old Jerry ALBIN used a credit card number that he stole from his place of employment to perpetrate an ID-theft and money laundering scheme. ALBIN opened a PayPal account, paid for an auction on eBay (hosted by him), and then paid for the auction via PayPal thereby exiting the funds through another PayPal account he had setup for this scheme. With collaboration between the Sheriff's Office and an eBay-PayPal Fraud Investigator, ALBIN's scheme was quickly identified, and a full confession obtained.

Quote:

Special operations scammer scopped up by authorities!

June 7, 2006 - Lexington, KY 44-year old Charles NIEDERBRACH has been indicted on charges stemming from his theft and sale of military equipment from the Special Operations Forces Support Activity (SOFSA) facility he worked at from 2003 till April this year. The Defense Criminal Investigative Service partnered with an eBay-PayPal fraud investigator to outline the scope of NIEDERBRACH's activities, and highlight the equipment involved. If convicted, NIEDERBRACH faces up to 10 years in prison, a fine of $250,000, and a supervised release for 3 years.

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ID Thieves Find Time to Reflect

July 31, 2006 Chicago, IL U.S.A. Sam and Davis OMOLE, along with Eddie AROJOJOYE and Adeniyi ADESOKAN have all plead guilty to charges involving mail fraud, wire fraud, and aggravated ID theft. Police estimate that these 4 individuals stole over $350,000 in their scheme to commit fraud by using stolen credit cards and by failing to deliver auction goodsthey listed on eBay. After involving the eBay/PayPal Fraud Investigations team in the case, the Chicago FBI were able to significantly bolster their case against the 4, and have since obtained 3 pleas - thus far the sentences have resulted in up to 6 ½ years in federal prison. The last remaining individual will receive his sentence on October 18th this year.

Insurance Scam Lands Man in Prison

July 31, 2006 Bryan, TX U.S.A. 29 year-old Ronald GASCH was sentenced to 15 years in prison after admitting to insurance fraud, theft, and various other crimes. GASCH had collected roughly $12,000 from his insurance company after stealing his own photography equipment, selling it on eBay and then filing a missing equipment report with the police so that he could collect on his insurance policy. Collaboration between an eBay/PayPal investigator, the Bryan Police Department, and Brazos County Sheriff’s Office revealed the size and scope of GASCH’s activities, as well as provided ample evidence which lead to a full confession by GASCH.

Auction Fraudster Arrested

July 30, 2006 Lucknow, India 23 year-old Amit Kumar SINGH was arrested on several counts of document forgery and fraud. SINGH lured eBay users off the site to complete their transactions, where they were no longer protected by eBay’s policies and protection program. Once off eBay, these users were persuaded to deposit money into bank accounts SINGH had setup with fake documents. After noticing that SINGH was receiving complaints against him, an eBay/PayPal Investigator worked with the Special Task Force Police, and helped identify SINGH as a potential fraudster. SINGH later confessed fully to all crimes committed.

Card Collector helps Catch Criminals

July 25, 2006 San Diego, CA U.S.A. Garth FELDMAN and Robert STEWART plead guilty and agreed to pay back approximately $68,000 to the victims of their auction scam. Their scheme involved the non-delivery of rare baseball cards that had been put up for auction. However, not long after this scheme began, an Atlanta, GA based man was defrauded by this duo, and immediately escalated the issue to the local authorities. Law Enforcement contacted eBay/PayPal’s Fraud Investigation team for assistance andt he investigator was able to provide sufficient evidence to identify the location of the suspect, who was quickly apprehended.

Newlyweds Find Big Bond After Scams

July 19, 2006 Onslow County, NC U.S.A. Newly married Christopher ROBINSON and his wife Richele have been arrested and placed in jail on $10,000 bond for conducting seller auction fraud. The ROBINSON’s auctioned four-wheelers but instead of sending the item, they sent pictures of the four-wheelers to buyers. This case was prompted by an escalation to the Onslow County Sheriff’s Office from one of the ROBINSON’s buyers. eBay and PayPal’s fraud investigation team worked with the Onslow County Sheriff’s Office and conducted a thorough investigation that uncovered the couples fraudulent activity and led police to their location.

Katrina Scammers Find no Relief

July 17, 2006 Houston , TX U.S.A.Steven and Bartholomew STEPHENS have been charged with conspiracy, wire fraud, and aggravated identity theft in connection with their role in the operation of a fraudulent Hurricane Katrina relief website. The duo created PayPal accounts with stolen identities in order to receive the funds from their scam. With the assistance of an eBay/PayPal investigator, the FBI and US Attorney's office were able to identify the flow of money, and the role that these individuals played in the perpetration of the crime. The two suspects face a maximum of 129 years in prison if convicted on all 9 counts.

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http://www.nbc5i.com/news/3541014/detail.html

Cops Bust Man For Selling Stolen Goods On eBay

POSTED: 11:22 pm CDT July 16, 2004

DALLAS — Investigators say a 33-year-old Dallas man who's behind bars in the Richardson jail was using the name Funguy 33 on eBay and selling merchandise he ripped off mainly from sporting goods stores.

Cory Paris is accused of stealing several hundred thousand dollars worth of sports equipment.

Police said he didn't take anything that was cheap, instead focusing on high-dollar items. Police also recovered chic items like Chanel purses.

Paris allegedly posted a specialty bicycle was on the Web site before it was stolen from Wheels in Motion in Richardson. Police believe he was trying to see if he had a market for the bike before committing to taking it. Paris apparently was hiding out inside the bike shop when it closed Wednesday night.

In less than 10 minutes, several thieves moved out 30 bikes. A security guard saw the activity and was able to get a partial plate number and description of the van. That tip led police to Paris.

Paris' bond was set at $500,000 for a probation violation on another theft charge. Police say it could be weeks before they trace the stolen merchandise back to the original owners.

[JavaNoire]

Diva asked to see one innocent person. I'm one. Sandy is another. I have no reason to believe MM is guilty of anything but monumental foolishness...Beneath Diva's very nose there are 3 & she only requested one!

The crimes Diva C&P have nothing to do with my statement, IF Diva ever opens her eyes she'll discover she's surrounded by people innocent of the crimes & misdeeds she wantonly accuses them of committing. There's no reason to think that the criminals Diva has referenced are involved with these boards. Her (mis)use of them doesn't refute my assertion that she's surrounded by innocents if she'd simply open her eyes & LOOK around some.

[Cyber Diva]

There's no reason to think that the criminals Diva has referenced are involved with these boards.

Do you want their posting IDs? lol

Many do post to the boards. Or at least they did until they went to prison.

[JavaNoire]

Yes.

[regic]

What is WP?

Or bidville?

Bidville is an auction site with 1 million listings. It was recently sold to uBid.

WP is scam small auction site Wagglepop. The site has hidden its WHOIS information. The site's owner collected thousands of sellers' credit card numbers and email address when sellers registered in early 2005 and then closed the site on 2 hours notice one week after its opening. He lied and said he deleted all personal information. This is documented in several Auctionbytes articles in 2005 and an Auctionbytes blog article on May 19 2006.

In May 2006 he reopened the site and spammed thousands of sellers. WP has admitted to having 14 active eBay accounts which they claim to use for "research and development". Many people believe that it is these 14 eBay IDs which are behind the thousands of spam posts promoting Wagglepop on the eBay boards and on Craiglist and many other sites. Wagglepop doesn't spend any money on advertising and encourages its members do its advertising for them -which is done by spamming other boards and sites.

Bojangles the racist was a spammer for WP in 2005 (using the ID deepriverman) and he returned this year on the day WP reopened and has been actively spamming off-eBay OAI forums using multiple IDs for WP since the site reopened in May. He has been banned from most OAI forums due to his spamming and racist statements.

[JavaNoire]

Thanks, Regic. The WP story sounds familiar.

[Heartland]

The quote attributed to me from 2002 (FOUR years ago, ferchrissakes) was posted in one of Art's typical coma-inducing threads at T&S, which of course Diva won't post because it wouldn't be in her best interest to show the context in which it was posted.

When theArts first came to T&S, they posted with their selling ID's, as many of us did. As is typical of some T&S posters when combative people show up and attack right off the bat, some immediately combed their feedback and found that Diva had left feedback for her husband, pretending that she was a customer and praising his service. I did not check their feedback at that time, but there was a long discussion on T&S about that feedback, and it was copied into that thread.

TheArts claimed that the feedback was left back when eBay allowed users to leave non-transactional feedback. What they failed to admit was that, while eBay did do that for a short time, the feedback left by Diva for her husband was anything but "non-transactional." It was a flat-out lie claiming a transaction that never happened, and was posted in order to deceive other eBay users.

Some time later, Art started using a posting ID, and then denied that there was any such feedback. I made the offer for those who wanted to know the truth to e-mail me, and I would give them a link to the feedback, in order to prove that Art was trying to weasel out of the truth. No one took me up on my offer.

In Diva's conspiracy-theory-laced brain, the offer I made constitutes auction interference ... another lie. At no time did I suggest or condone auction interference on anyone's account. I vehemently spoke out against it whenever the issue was raised. I was selling quite a bit myself at that time. To suggest that I would commit or condone auction interference on another seller's account, thereby endangering my own account, is remarkable in its dishonesty and stupidity. TheArts have a reputation for claiming AI against anyone who disagrees with them anywhere.

There is and was no policy on eBay that user IDs could not be revealed. A user ID is not contact info. Even Ezboard had/has a policy of not removing user IDs posted on their boards. A user ID is public info. Art had posted to the eBay boards with that ID, just as many users did.

A few months later, Diva started accusing me of credit card fraud. It's been a mystery to me how and why she came to that crazy conclusion, since I have never had a merchant's account with any credit card company, and dealt strictly through PayPal, checks, and money orders.

When I started posting at TRB, Diva apparently believed that since I disliked certain people, we could buddy up and share info. She started pm'ing me, first to compliment me on my posts, and then to suggest certain things I should say. Somewhere during this flurry of pm's, she apologized for lying about me all over the boards and said she had been "mistaken." The fact is, she just flat-out lied. There was no "mistake" involved.

When I didn't fall for her lame attempts at manipulations, she turned against me again, and all of the old lies (mistakes?) suddenly resurfaced. When I demanded she produce the "records" she claimed she had in order to prove illegal activity by me, she ran away, only to resurface a couple of months later to start it all up again.

Her "phases" are just as predictable as other posters on these boards who regularly go off the deep end. I've been watching it for years now, and it hasn't changed one whit. I absolutely believe Java's version of the phone call, since I have witnessed Diva's interference into several people's real lives, calling employers, family members, lawyers, etc. She doesn't hesitate to insert herself into posters' private lives whenever she feels like it. She embodies everything that most posters on these boards find repulsive.

[bojangles]

as you can see .. there is the actions of a real stalker... i'm trying to see if diva had the same and trying to expose.....or is it diva doing the stalking???? but this person and others on tt are really stalkers... they go and find issues on people that like wagglepop..... really !!! insane people wasting their time going all over the internet to find things on wagglepoppers and wagglepop... if they don't like something just ignore and go to ones like..... THIS IS THE CLUE of an internet stalker....

[bojangles]

and being banned from some forums... means good..... and just the opposite being not banned from some sites is BAD like tt..

[bojangles]

these people are like how dimview does bidville.... spends their whole life on going everywhere to down it...

[Cyber Diva]

A few months later, Diva started accusing me of credit card fraud. rs, lawyers, etc.

Care to provide an actual quote wherein you were falsely accused, Sandy? Or a link? Nah, didn't think so because you are an internet liar, and libeler of the worse kind. You have been getting away with it since you joined the Car Wash, too.

You are responsible for establishing 99% of the the FALSE board "facts" against others, you, Hanna and JavaNoire. And, now we do have the proof.

Have fun spinning your libelous tales...you're not any different from Chopsbuster. In fact, you are far, far worse. That will be proved soon enough.

[Heartland]

I'm not lying about anything. You did accuse me of credit card fraud, on the old RJ. Do you think I'm the only one who remembers that? You may find it in your Cardump archives ... the ones you stole. I responded to your accusation there, in the Crankshaft. You also accused me of auction interference, another bald-faced lie, and you did that just last year at TRB. Find your own links to your own lies. I'm not your secretary.

I've been waiting more than three years for you to prove any of the lies you've posted about me, Crazy Witch. Get on with it, will ya? You're just wasting everyone's time with all of the cut & paste that no one reads, so you won't be getting any more of the attention you crave from me until you produce those "records" you threatened me with on TRB -- before you apologized and said you were "mistaken." :2headspin

So you just go right on talking to yourself here until you get through this manic phase and then lay low for a couple of months, as usual.

[Cyber Diva]

The quote attributed to me from 2002 (FOUR years ago, ferchrissakes) was posted in one of Art's typical coma-inducing threads

Was this one of your "coma-induced" letters to an eBay pink written on behalf of the Car Wash? eBay's attorney, Rob Chesnut was also very interested in learning about this, and other such FALSE reports, filed against others, on behalf of the Car Wash:



Kelley, we need your help. On Saturday, two threads were started by the poster artrenditions.com. The first of these threads quickly turned into a trolling and bashing fest against chops*buster and it got quite long.

Legal-eaglet made several spurious allegations (again) of pornography and child pornography. Artrenditions.com posted a link to http://www.chopsbuster.com, a site that is NOT owned by Chops, but is a stalking site owned by Basestealer. Artrenditions.com also posted a link to an off-eBay board and accused everyone who disagreed with him of belonging to that "freepers" board. I had never seen that board, and I don't even know anyone who belongs to it.

Chops*buster was accused of posting with many ID's on that thread, when in fact the ID's belonged to many regular posters on T&S. Actually, there were so many false allegations made against Chops, that it made my head spin. I know for a fact that every one of them were blatant falsehoods. Another ID, your*hero, also participated in this bash fest. The posts on that thread actually made me sick to my stomach.

I know many people, including myself, were hitting the report button like crazy, but it took hours and hours before the thread was finally pulled. In the meantime, Artrenditions.com started this thread:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?forumID=107&threadID=171790

Please take a careful look at posts #7, 10, 14, 21, and 35. These posts make it clear that this thread was started in order to troll. These posters know that you are gone on the weekends, and that is when they come out to play. The thread sat on the second page all day Sunday, but Art bumped it back up first thing today with another of his "challenges."

I have reported the above posts, as have several others, but yet they remain. As you will notice, Chops has not even posted to that thread. I'm not sure why the moderators are ignoring such a blatant violation of board policy that is in post #7 on that thread, and continues with the other posts.

I have not appointed myself as Chops' protector, not by any means, but these threads were so far over the top that I feel I have to speak up. The disgusting, blatant lies about some of the regular posters on T&S (not just about Chops) were just too much.

I hope you can take care of the current thread, and possibly do something to prevent further outbreaks like this when you are away. It appears to me that all three of the ID's I've mentioned in this e-mail are on T&S for one purpose, and one purpose only, and that is to troll and to cause a board war (it is almost summer, after all).

Thanks for your assistance.

Sandy

[Cyber Diva]

I've been waiting more than three years for you to prove any of the lies you've posted about me, Crazy Witch.

When one claims that another has falsely accused them of something, it would be proper to show where that was done. You never do that though, do you Sandy? No one ever requires you to either, do they, Sandy? A court would, which is why you never want to go there, huh Sandy?

Get on with it, will ya? You're just wasting everyone's time with all of the cut & paste...

Sandy, you have been able to convince others, on these boards, that there is something wrong with cut & paste when it is used in order to demonstrate something, or to show actual proof. Rather than allow people like you to speculate or lie, sometimes its best to show proof (cut & paste?). You rarely show a quote or a link, Sandy, but that doens't make what you do right.

I've been waiting more than three years for you to prove any of the lies....So you just go right on talking to yourself here until you get through this manic phase and then lay low for a couple of months, as usual.

Sandy, you've said the same thing about countless others in the past; "they're going through a manic phase," when all they were perhaps doing was avoiding you. God forbid that people have other projects they are working on which may take them from these boards.

But falsely accusing someone of being mentally ill, is how you and your ilk have established various "board facts" about other people which are not true. In other words, Sandy, you libel innocent people with every keystroke. What ever happened to Kettle, or to Laurie? Remember what you did to them when they dared to speak out against your libelous ways?

:sm1132:

so you won't be getting any more of the attention you crave from me until you produce those "records" you threatened me with on TRB -- before you apologized and said you were "mistaken."

Don't take a spin on the truth so soon, Sandy. What you and I discussed on the Ross show, which you denied, was the existence of that post you made in 2002 on eBay. When you denied you had done that, and I couldn't find the "cut and paste" I apologized, prematurely. Don't let it go to your head. I rarely make mistakes. I should have known my memory served me well and that you were a liar. As you can see, we eventually found the proof of your statements regarding member to member communications, and in fact, provided the proof to Rob Chesnut, about you, since it was before his time.

Are you now asking that all your posts from the private forum of EZ board car wash be produced here before you will answer any other questions about your past? That's interesting..... don't you know what you did?

[Heartland]

What's false about it? The thread was right there for Kelley to see for herself, wasn't it? There wasn't a false statement in that e-mail.

Why are you harrassing Rob Chesnut with this nonsense? Gawd, I'll bet he heaved a huge sigh of relief when he closed your accounts. What a PITA you are, like a fucking gnat with no bite that just keeps bothering everyone at the party.

Once again, post something relevant to your accusations against me, Crazy Witch. Those accusations are credit card fraud and auction interference. I won't respond to any more irrelevant nonsense from you.

[Heartland]

I rarely make mistakes. No, you rarely get anything correct! :1chirol_r

[Cyber Diva]

Why are you harrassing Rob Chesnut with this nonsense?

Sandy, you recklessly used the word harassment, as you generally do whenever you twist factual events. You've been getting away with that also, for years.

Our relationship with Rob Chesnut is none of your business. However, what is our business, and yours, is what you've done to us using eBay, on behalf of the Car Wash.

For your information, Rob Chesnut is looking into the numerous FALSE reports filed by your Car Wash associates, against others on eBay, on behalf of Polonsky. Do you want to talk about that, and how it might implicate you? Nah, didn't think so.

Again, are you willing to have everything (false testimony) you ever posted about others on these boards, discussed here, today?

We can start with the private forums from EZ board, if you wish.

[Heartland]

Crazy Witch, you just don't get it. I don't care. No one cares. I have no doubt that Rob Chesnut is laughing his ass off at you. "False testimony?" WTF, do you think these boards are a court of law or something? You really are whacked beyond all reason.

For whom do you imagine you are performing? Watching you is no different than watching a bad horror movie. It's mildly interesting, once in a while, to get a glimpse into the madness that is Diva. Everyone thanks their lucky stars that they are not you!

Posting old archives from a private forum to which you never belonged and which you stole is only going to reinforce everyone's already-correct opinion that you are a madwoman. Your silly threats, as usual, are impotent. Your gain will be zero, because I just don't care. Besides, you've already done it, and it had NO consequences for me, because I didn't do anything wrong. Do you get it yet?

I never once filed false reports on eBay or anywhere else about anyone, you stupid twit. Now where are those "records" proving that I committed credit card fraud and auction interference? Why don't you just admit that you lied?

How long are you going to go on crying for my attention? Do you really think you're worth any more of it? I don't.

BTW, I will "recklessly" use any fucking word I feel like using. Don't like it? Stop mentioning me and trying to draw me into your personal lunacy.

[JavaNoire]

"When one claims that another has falsely accused them of something, it would be proper to show where that was done. You never do that though, do you Sandy?"
Why would anyone waste time dredging up theDivas spurious accusations against Sandy, Alan, Dee, Jenn & myself when soooo many have already seen/read the originals? This crap is KNOWN. I'd as soon google for proof the world isn't really flat.

Diva makes many mistakes. She also tells many lies. The challenge is in discerning which it is, innate foolishness(laced with paranoia) or festering malice fueled by her malignant jealousy of those better liked & more respected(which is just about EVERONE)

Sandy, RobC/eBayPowers might have laughed at 'em a few yrs back. I think by now they just moannnn as they quick*grab for the giant sized ExcedrinSuperDuperStrength.

[Cyber Diva]

"When one claims that another has falsely accused them of something, it would be proper to show where that was done. You never do that though, do you Sandy?"
Why would anyone waste time dredging up theDivas spurious accusations against Sandy, Alan, Dee, Jenn & myself when soooo many have already seen/read the originals? This crap is KNOWN.

Well, because you've been able to trick people into believe these things have happened, doesn't make it factual.

You are a LIAR, and a filer of FALSE police reports, and documentation, and you have knowingly implicated others in your crime. It is a CRIME to file a FALSE police report, and to provide the police with false documentation.

You told the police LIES. Why have you NOT produced the fabricated e-mail communications you told the police you'd received? Why have you NOT told your associates, that you provided their false testimony (glowing letters of praise intended for your employer?), to the police as part of your fabricated charge that you've been the victim of online harassment generated from the eBay boards, and not the Car Wash. You failed to mention your prior involvement with the Car Wash.

Diva makes many mistakes. She also tells many lies.

Actually, I made one mistake, one mistake only--and that was giving you the opportunity to move on, after your Car Wash days. Had I known what was in the Private forum, I wouldn't have.

You are the one who tells many lies, JavaNoire. I am the one who happens to hold the truth about you, and about the Car Wash. That's why you are out recruiting new dupes, so you and Sandy can cover up what you did at the Car Wash, on behalf of Polonsky. The Car Wash record speaks for itself. One has to have a strong stomach to wade through those records, however.

[Cyber Diva]

Besides, you've already done it, and it had NO consequences for me, because I didn't do anything wrong. Do you get it yet?


You have worked to propagate the falsehood that the private forum of the Car Wash has been showcased. As you know, much of it was not published. You even have pathetic Polonsky propagating that for you, pretending that all the libel was properly contained at EZ board espresso-bar. It was not. Besides, EZ board has archived much of what went on at espresso-bar, prior to the crash. Don't be in illusion about that.

[Cyber Diva]

You are the one who tells many lies, JavaNoire. I am the one who happens to hold the truth about you, and about the Car Wash. That's why you are out recruiting new dupes, so you and Sandy can cover up what you did at the Car Wash, on behalf of Polonsky. The Car Wash record speaks for itself. One has to have a strong stomach to wade through those records, however.

http://devala.com/news.html

[JavaNoire]

"You are a LIAR, and a filer of FALSE police reports, and documentation, and you have knowingly implicated others in your crime. It is a CRIME to file a FALSE police report, and to provide the police with false documentation."

"You told the police LIES. Why have you NOT produced the fabricated e-mail communications you told the police you'd received? Why have you NOT told your associates, that you provided their false testimony (glowing letters of praise intended for your employer?), to the police as part of your fabricated charge that you've been the victim of online harassment generated from the eBay boards, and not the Car Wash. You failed to mention your prior involvement with the Car Wash."

Post the police reports...Simple enough. Do it...C'mon now...You're fools & cowards but surely you've got SOMETHING to show for all of your huffery & puffery.


"Actually, I made one mistake, one mistake only--and that was giving you the opportunity to move on, after your Car Wash days. Had I known what was in the Private forum, I wouldn't have."

Post what ya got...C'mon. DO IT. You archive EVERYTHING. So post away with something substantive. Ohhh I probably said I didn't like Blyes. Now THAT will shock this community. I thought you&yours are a pair of lying swine. Another revelation of seismic proportions!

(you didn't *give* me anything. MeinGott but you're a deluded/delusional twat)


"That's why you are out recruiting new dupes, so you and Sandy can cover up what you did at the Car Wash, on behalf of Polonsky."

FWIW, I disliked theDivas before Alan knew they existed. Their act started on JGW although they (typically)deceptively pretended to be just one person, not 2. *shrug*Given Diva's shaky mental status that seemed possible.

Dupes, announce yourself & be quick about it. IF you are *in* my power . laundry needs laundering..Dishes need washing. Food s/b cookin. C'mon now. snap*snapGetToIt!

[Poison]

Heartland - that was an interesting letter you sent to Rob C. It is quite funny that you can sit on this thread and accuse Diva of being the crazy, insane woman given your take on things. FTR, I never accused chops of child pornography. The original pictures he posted as being Base, Bliss, and Wasa were indeed pornography which he later changed. The age of the subjects of the picture were unknown. All I ever did was to remind chops that child pornography was a crime. I never once accused him of it on eBay. I always knew you were a bit slow and a tad on the daft side but I always thought you could read...my mistake.

[Poison]

Diva, I know you are upset over the loss of your eBay status and that has caused you to act out lately. The threats and accusations coming from you are amusing at best. You and Aaron still don't understand that both of you are nothing more than a pair of organ grinder monkeys dancing to a tune you can't control.

I think I finally figured out what is troubling you these days. Understandably, you are frustrated. At first, I thought it was over eBay but this rage and anger has gone on far too long (years) but now your problem is clear. Obviously, you have never been pleasured by a man. Perhaps you might try to find a real man and see what he can do for your issues. Whatever you decide, best of luck to you.

[Cyber Diva]

Post the police reports...Simple enough. Do it...C'mon now...

So, you're saying you want us to publish the letters of reference you'd received from your associates, the letters meant for your employer? Did you get their permission to provide those same letters to your local PD, when you filed your bogus report claiming to be a "victim" of online harassment generated from the eBay boards?

Was there a reason you failed to mention the Car Wash, or the closure of the Car Wash? Was there a reason you didn't want to talk to the police about the things you posted in the private forum which had to do with an associate of yours brought up on charges for drug trafficing, in Iowa? Oh yeah, that's right, that person was framed, too, huh?

[Heartland]

Every fucking time you threaten to post your "records" we call your bluff and tell you to go ahead. Then you fail to post what you threatened to post, and instead threaten to post something totally different. We again tell you we don't care, and you then make yet a different threat. And aroundandaroundandaround you go; where it'll stop, nobody knows.

So far, you haven't backed up a single thing you've claimed. All you've done is paste post after post after post of ancient history that have nothing to do with anything you've threatened to post. While this is your regular m.o., I've never seen you quite this bad.

Seriously, you are manic as hell. You've been at this for weeks now, and have accomplished nothing but a drain on bandwidth. Get some help. You can't be enjoying yourself very much, unless you are a masochist. Move on or file a fucking lawsuit against somebody, and be done with it.

Do you really think that people we openly disliked back then are going to be surprised that we gossiped about them in a private forum, while we were bashing back and forth with them in public? Really? Is that how it works on your planet?