MouthyMouse I am sooooo sorry

[JavaNoire]

if my disagreement with theArts in an adult only forum keeps you from posting elsewhere on Ross.

I wonder why that is. Are you really such a twit*wit that you can't find your way around (adult only)threads you don't want to participate in?

Or are you so controlling that you can only tolerate your own (chuckleheaded) conclusions?

Mebbe you're too weak to stay away from threads you'd prefer to avoid. (TexasBanjo suffered badly from the same problem)

Now I'd looove to accommodate you...whoopsThat's wrong...I have zero fucking interest in enabling your feeble minded snotty whiiines(shrug)

Post wherever the fuck you like
Say whatever the fuck you choose
Including snitty diatribes highlighting your woeful ignorance
Criticize
Rebuke
Advise
& otherwise push your snout into my affairs
BFD...Keep it OL & I'm just fine with it(& you)

But...I still don't like theDivas. I still won't condone their deplorable invasions into my life or the reprehensible way they treat people.

IMo, they're among the most deceptive, self-serving, unethical, & crassly boorish schmuck fucks I've had the displeasure to encounter.

IF that opinion is intolerable for your Oh*so*Delicate*Sensibilities then either you must leave or Ross must ban me. (Shall we open a discussion of 'sheltered' here? MeinGott but you're befuddled!)

My opinion of theDivas is damned near universally shared, btw. Now *why* is that, MM????

[agentorange]

Did you get a PM? You must have gotten a PM. She didn't post as much here, anyway.

[Powerhouse]

Overflow from the 'Bad' forum, Base.
Ross will probably throw it back there when he sees it.

:hazmat:

:1evil2:

[kim]

mouthymouse did make a post - base - she posted - in the bad bad things forum - she posted some assumptions about java's daughter...

- it wasn't nice...

[kim]

well darn - oops - and - sorry - i guess that forum is private - perhaps i shouldn't have said - what it was about - or - anything - again - sorry...

[agentorange]

I know, I read that post, but I didn't read where she said she couldn't post to the rossshow anymore.

[Powerhouse]

Well, probably best not to discuss it here in the open. Give ross a chance to put it back where it belongs.

[JavaNoire]

Ross' decision, true.

Here there anywhere *why* post to threads you don't care to participate in? That crap isn't unique to any particular forum or board.

Some people are such prissy little whiiiners IMO. That's not a *good* thing but I'd hardly call it a bad bad thing.

[Cyber Diva]

Sounds like you're bullying this person (Mouse) into submission. :1b2:


Hey Mouse, check your email. Thanks.

:1kiss1:

[biondobabe]

Sounds like you're bullying this person (Mouse) into submission. :1b2:


Hey Mouse, check your email. Thanks.

:1kiss1:


Sounded like the other way around. No one asked MM to jump head into this. She did and should expect the same in return. Get a grip. :1crazy:

[Cyber Diva]

Sounded like the other way around. No one asked MM to jump head into this. She did and should expect the same in return. Get a grip. :1crazy:

All mouse did was express her honest opinion and she did so in a civil manner, and now for that she's being treated with vicious harassment, and public ridicule. This is just one example, of what happens to anyone who disagrees with JavaNoire. She will hound Mouse until she leaves the boards, she will libel mouse after she leaves the boards .... how can that be considered normal, and appropriate? :1eek2:

[mouthymouse]

Thanks for letting me know about this thread diva.

Java........I never said I couldn't post anywhere, or that you couldn't post anywhere........what I said was......I am tired of seeing you whine about the phone call all over boardie land for months and months.

Your daughter is 17 years old? Maybe she's 18 by now, this all started back in February. I don't think it's right for you to lead people to believe she's a tiny child who couldn't handle a nosy phone caller, and thought the boogie man was out to get you, the sky is falling, and your safety is a thing of the past.

Nobody ever "libled" you on the RJ back when you first showed up on T&S........they didn't really pay much attention to you and your friends who'd chased artrenditions over there. Mostly, they were all saying stuff like "Go Art!", because he was kicking ole chops butt in those threads. You weren't important enough to discuss back then, nobody knew who you were yet.

Post wherever you want, you certainly don't need anyone's permission. I'm just tired of all the whinning and "federal case" you make of everything.

:sm1167:

[biondobabe]

All mouse did was express her honest opinion and she did so in a civil manner, and now for that she's being treated with vicious harassment, and public ridicule. This is just one example, of what happens to anyone who disagrees with JavaNoire. She will hound Mouse until she leaves the boards, she will libel mouse after she leaves the boards .... how can that be considered normal, and appropriate? :1eek2:



You live in a fucking fantasy land. She was rude and insulting. She was not being CIVIL as you put it. :2slampan:

[Cyber Diva]

basestealer wrote: Did you get a PM? You must have gotten a PM. She didn't post as much here, anyway.Mouse are you saying there were no secret communications to R0ss as was implied?


IF that opinion is intolerable for your Oh*so*Delicate*Sensibilities then either you must leave or Ross must ban me. (Shall we open a discussion of 'sheltered' here? MeinGott but you're befuddled!)


Mouse, are you saying that there was no secret communications sent to R0ss as was implied?

[biondobabe]

Post wherever you want, you certainly don't need anyone's permission. I'm just tired of all the whinning and "federal case" you make of everything.

If you're tired of it, put her on ignore. Nuff said. :2gamecock

[mouthymouse]

You live in a fucking fantasy land. She was rude and insulting. She was not being CIVIL as you put it. :2slampan:

I was rude an insulting? Where's my badge? I've finally made it!
:1clap5:

[Cyber Diva]

You live in a fucking fantasy land. She was rude and insulting. She was not being CIVIL as you put it. :2slampan:

Lon, on a scale from 1-10 Mouse was a 2 to javanoire's constant 11. lol

Besides what did mouse do to you, for you to get in her face other than to speak in a way that you didn't like to Java. But didn't mouse have a right to do so, if she didn't like the way javan spoke within this community?

Remember, mouse was there for all the changing police stories....too. :2gamecock

[biondobabe]

MM had jumped into yours and Java's argument. Just because MM agrees with you it doesn't make her innocent.

She was insulting, plain and simple.

[Cyber Diva]

MM had jumped into yours and Java's argument. Just because MM agrees with you it doesn't make her innocent.

She was insulting, plain and simple.

With all due respect, Lon, actually you're wrong. Javanoire brings everyone and anyone who will listen into her argument. We've not engaged her, although we have documented her continual libel and harassment.

Mouse is still entitled to her opinion, and to voice it here unless R0ss says otherwise.

[JavaNoire]

All mouse did was express her honest opinion and she did so in a civil manner,Honest opinion? Probably & her response was 'civil' enough. Now all I did was respond with my honest opinion in an equally civil manner. Amazing that anyone finds it troubling simply b/c I responded.

I am tired of seeing you whine about the phone call all over boardie land for months and months.WHY are you participating in threads where it's an issue then? Why not restrict yourself to the numerous threads it is not under discussion. hmmmm?

She was an underaged child that Diva deliberately LIED to, duped & manipulated in her unholy vendetta against me. THAT is exactly as I've stated it. Too damned bad if YOUR reading comprehension skills aren't up to par.

Nobody ever "libled" you on the RJ back when you first showed up on T&S........they didn't really pay much attention to you and your friends who'd chased artrenditions over there.You've got this one ass backwards(surprise surprise!). Nobody chased theArts anywhere. I didn't know where they'd blessedly disappreared to. I was happily unaware of RJ & TCW while Diva was in a frothing frenzy to C&P every bleedin word I'd ever posted to JGW, Bidding, FB or T&S. She's recently included posts from epinions for crissake!

And uhhh yeah, they most emphatically did libel me. I was accused of racketeering, shilling, bid siphoning, AI, harassing phone calls & emails, threats & terrorism. As I'm innocent of those crimes, & as theDivas know that I'm innocent, it was assuredly libel.

You're right about one thing...Others didn't know me well enough to take an interest. Hell, you didn't(& don't) know me at all. MM, did you ever wonder at the madness of the hundreds of disjointed incomplete posts & snippets Diva littered RJ with? And that was only on the PUBLIC fora. At the time I didn't even post to TCW!

FTR, the 'changing police stories' are all Diva's. Why won't she post these false reports & incriminating emails? Umm, that's b/c everything she has incriminates herself & establishes the truth of what I've said.

Don't want me making a federal case about deceiving my daughter(who was a kid) & her grandma. Then 1) don't read my posts or 2)suggest to your friends that they leave kids, dying old ladies & employers out of their BS.

[Cyber Diva]

Don't you ever tire of telling the same ole stories? The reason you never provided even one actual quote of anything anyone ever said about you at RJ is because you're lying through your teeth again. Mouse was there. So were a lot of other people who copied and pasted some of the crazy posts Car Washers were making all around EZ board back then, you were no exception.

Now, it's been grand, but you're on your own again.....

:sm1167:

[JavaNoire]

Diva, I didn't even post to TCW then you deluded goof. Nobody on RJ knew me, yet there you were, whisting into the wind, C&Ping a chaotic array of JGW/Java/Dee/Peeep posts that were apropos of nothing but the noises echoing through your empty skull.

[mouthymouse]

Java........you are right about a couple of things.

None of us did know you and your 5-6 friends who followed(?), (not chased), Art to T&S from the jewelry board. We didn't know you(collectively) when she tried to explain what was going on, 5? 6? years ago. I still don't know, and am too lazy to read all the old stuff to find out.

I am very tired of it all though, and don't believe your 17 year old daughter was really afraid for her life over a phone call that wasn't even "her" phone call. You still only "accuse" diva of making the call, she said she didn't on the other thread...........could have been any number of things, could have been it never happened at all.

I don't care.

You are right, I don't have to read your posts.

My original bitchy post to you was sarcasm...........except for my condolences on your loss. I really did lose my grandmother in July, 3 weeks before her 101'st birthday. I realize she was tired and it was time for her to go, but it's still a sad thing. Yesterday, I received a box of gifts I'd given her over my lifetime. It was hard, and none of this belongs in any of these "fight" threads. Just like your adopted grandmother's illness has nothing to do with any of it..........you just throw that in for sympathy, like pretending your daughter is a defenseless little girl who thinks some political survey phone call, (that could just easily be what the call was), is enough to call the police and make a report.

My opinion, and I do have a right to one, is none of this should be repeated on every board you go to public/private/eBay........whatever.

Have fun, I'm done with this.

[JavaNoire]

My daughter was deceived & manipulated. Obviously, within the context of the situation, she was helpless.

She was most assuredly rattled at the call & desperately worried for her confused & frightened Grandma. Call it sheltered, but deceiving connivers working agendas rooted in vengeance aren't something my daughter has to contend with. *Sheltering* her from that hasn't been hard. There simply aren't many around that will EXPLOIT & MANIPULATE underaged kids to acquire information.

Sympathy? Listen carefully, MM...FUCK your sympathy. Choke on it. I tell it as it is b/c it is indeed indicative of the depths to which theArts have sunk. Gawd knows how much lower they'll go to achieve their nefarious ends

& make no mistake. Diva was most assuredly resposible for those calls. IF she convinced a friend to hold the receiver & speak the words, Diva still remains responsible for the hideous intrusion into my daughter's life as well as the pack of lies sent to my employer.

I didn't 'follow' Art to T&S. I actually posted to T&S before I ever posted to JGW. I never stopped posting there although JGW was home. Hell, I didn't know Art existed. He posted using Diva's acct & pretended to be her on JGW.

I never posted to Art's initial T&S thread. It had to do with what was strictly a seller's issue & I've never sold. They archive everything. Ask her to send you a copy of it.

MM, I really don't feel like swapping condolences with you. Suffice to say(again) you know NOTHING about my daughter, her situation or her loss. I won't be so arrogantly insensitive as to pretend I know anything of what you suffered.

[Cyber Diva]

& make no mistake. Diva was most assuredly resposible for those calls. IF she convinced a friend to hold the receiver & speak the words
OMG! You just don't get it, do you? Try reading your own changing story, right here at the Ross Show, again, and maybe you might understand why your local PD stated that you LIED. They said you were interviewed by three different officers and that you "tripped" up on your sham of a "victim" story. You were tricked by their brilliance, and your own arrogance and stupidity.Nonetheless, you will be held accountable for filing a FALSE police report.

Now.... go away! This is a repeat....
--------------------------
Since JavaNoire insists on following Hastings wherever Hastings goes online, and since JavaNoire's created this thread, even after being properly served a Cease & Desist Notice, here's more info on the libeler, stalker, filer of FALSE police reports, JavaNoire....

Quote:
A Victim of JavaNoire's Speaks Up

This entry was posted on 7/27/2006 and is filed under General Info.

An email from a victim of Javanoirs to Lee warning him of her malicious activities in the past.
Javanoire used to be a poster at the ezboard version of the Car Wash and is apparently a self appointed netcop like Alan Polonsky.


====================================

Congratulations! I see that you have somehow managed to qualify
yourself as the latest target of abuse by Javanore, one of the most
infamous CarWash members, who is now deriding your business and your
character with virtually the same language she has used for years to
viciously libel Lorraine. It sounds as if her assaults are scripted,
and she merely has substituted your name for hers! Welcome to the
club. Not.


http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=1337

JavaNoire: "From what I've seen of his auctions...."

Tuesday June 6,2006 11:46am-JavaNoire

“I haven't reported him. I have no plans to do so. Any organized
harassment he's suffered is wrong IMO, but he deserves every blinkin
report made about his thieving auctions.

It's not just a matter of copyright violations. There is also the
matter of misrepresentation which has left many of his customers
feeling cheated (ummm, b/c they WERE cheated). Adding insult to
injury, customers with the temerity to leave him FB concerning their
unsatisfactory transactions, receive abusive, dishonest retaliatory FB.

He's a blight on eBay. Assholes like that hurt ethical, honest
sellers even more than buyers. Shenanigans(THIEVERY) like his
frighten away many potential buyers. There s/b zero tolerance for
crap like his. Shame on eBay for proving themselves to be as scummy
scammy as such dreck.”

------------------------------

Wednesday June 7,2006 3:009pm-JavaNoire


By all criteria I'm certain he's outside the law. (shrug)There's no
*copyright* case to be made if those holding the rights have no
interest in protecting their rights.

That he does it remains scummy, but if the copyright holders don't
care about their property rights why would anyone else seek to
protect those rights? It's incumbent on the victims to seek action,
IMO & they just don't care. (shrug)Fine.

Misrepresentation & abuse of the FB system are separate, if related,
issues that don't go up in smoke just b/c the copyright owners are
amenable to being robbed. He's repeatedly shown that he has no
interest in representing his (dishonest)wares *honestly*. That eBay
turns a blind eye to these crimes(& they are crimes) is sickening.

His lengthy & sordid history of willfully cheating his buyers & then
further abusing them through slanderous FB shows that he's a hopeless
schmuck fuck unworthy of rehabilitation. He s/b thrown off eBay.
Permanently.

eBay is clearly an even bigger slime than he is & is quite happy to
remain cozy with such trash. That is appallin”

--------

Saturday June 10,2006 7:19pm-JavaNoire

“From what I've seen of his auctions(not a great deal, tbh) he long
misrepresented poor copies as originals. I don't know if he stopped
that but it seems he now misrepresents crummy photocopies as being of
good quality.

What Nuke, Banjo & Alan did with the buying & taping & posting was
shitty, but was it AI? He sold 'em. They bought, paid & rendered an
opinion(I'm assuming they left F

IF they did it under various IDs, yes, it's AI & eBay should boot
their self righteous butts.

IF they did it repeatedly, again yes & boot 'em.

IF they were blocked under their known ID & circumvented that with a
sock, again, yes, again boot 'em under all IDs.

IF they did it only to taunt & harass Lee, then yes, that's AI.
Proving that is tough unless they did other things as well. IF Lee's
selling copies as originals he's in a vulnerable position & should
expend his energy putting his business in order so that it isn't so
vulnerable to criticism.

I still read FB. Retaliation is one of the key things I look for. FB
used to punish or get even skews the member's FB b/c others are
reluctant to leave honest FB & either leave none or(UGH)lie & pretend
to be satisfied when they're not. Retaliatory FB also indicates
someone who reacts when problems arise rather than solving the problem.

Tho' I read FB it's so skewed as to be all but useless, esp for
newbies that don't know the tricks played with it. eBay really should
improve the FB system. One easy improvement would be to post the sale
amt of the transaction.”

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I don’t see how your business is any of hers, just as Lorraine’s
business is none of her concern, but you can be sure that won’t stop
her from intruding into your life whenever she feels the whim to do
so. Your restraint is admirable, but it will not save you from her
abuse, for as long as you can be used as a tool to forge strategic
alliances and to strengthen her ties with TCW, you will be subjected
to her unsolicited and unwanted attention. Now that she has attacked
you in public, she is free to undermine you in private without
seeming hypocritical to her friends, regardless of how she deals with
you publicly from this point forward. No doubt she’s calculated that
one more complaint to her employer for misusing government resources
to stalk and harass businesses online would overcome even the glowing
letters of support she’s managed to solicit from her fellow e-hooligans.



Jacinta (aka java javanoire labruja! **invisible** **dejavu** [more user names have been discovered]
mona*llisa*smiles *mata*hari* tallu1ah *ruby*tuesday* and the
infamous trolling/harassment id *cyber*diva*) may be many things, but
she is anything but innocent or sincere, I can assure you. You're now
getting an opportunity to see Java in action first hand, engaging in
what she does best – pretense and deception.



Javanoire writes:

"For that matter, she was also leaving competitors bad FB when eBay
permitted non-transactional FB. AI, Lee? Or do you approve of LYING
about competitors to (literally)steal an edge?"


This is a brand new lie Javanoire is just now wheeling out for the
first time, and it serves as a fine example of how the Java Rumor
Mill operates: First, she shamelessly trots out a blatant lie and
presents it as an established fact, signaling her cohorts to chime in
with embedded messages like “as everybody knows.” She absolutely
never provides any proof of any kind, and where one would expect to
find documentation, links, or any other form of actual evidence, she
skips that part and instead allows her "supporters" to fill the void
with nodding testi-baloney and high fives. If the initial test drive
goes well, she and her crew will disseminate the lie through endless
repetition, mostly in secret, until its origin is irrelevant. In
this way, the lie soon becomes an established "board fact" that now
fits perfectly within the larger, ever-changing agglomeration of
disinformation Javanoire and her comrades have concocted to date.
General acceptance is achieved by summarizing this shared mythology
into a written narrative and then privately distributing this
“history package” to others using “trusted sources” such as the
pathological liar and speculator extraordinaire,Sandy Boardwalker.
The narrative thus seeps into the collective mind of the assembled
boardsters, and the effect is to further Javanoire’s aggression
through proliferation, for her bogus narrative acts as a warrant for
continued and escalated attacks, and serves also as an open
solicitation to those "true to Javanoire" to come to her aid, and to
join the bash fest.



Where are the "link, please" police? Which seller? What feedback?
What discussion? Which competitor? And, again, how is any of this
Javanoire's business in the first place? These are just a few of the
obvious questions any objective person would need answered before
getting involved, but most boardsters are just too logically or
ethically challenged to grasp such irony, and so they remain prone to
such hypocrisy. Lorraine’s eBay ID is well known, and eBay provides
the online tools to easily verify Javanoire's bogus allegation; but
the lazy-brained chuckleheads that comprise Java’s audience just find
it's easier to uncritically accept whatever she says, for they know
the favor will be reciprocated when it's their turn at bat, and they
know too the harsh penalty for publicly disagreeing with Java. Such
is the society of Internet liars, and anyone that has tried can
affirm that honest persuasion through reason and logical argument is
an exercise in futility here. So why bother? On the other hand,
aggressors like Javanoire are so vindictive they never will
voluntarily stop harassing the people they hate, so just how does one
get away from this malignant online predator, who has demonstrated a
sustained level of malevolence sufficient to motivate her to troll
and to harass her prey literally for years? Witness Protection?



A Consummate Internet Troll

Javanoire "earns" loyalty through the techniques of gratuitous
flattery, calculated public and private support of key players,
particularly when they are wrong and under attack, bidding at their
auctions, and through choreographed attacks on “disposable” people,
such as Shawn, Lorraine, and now you. She has an extreme need for
undeserved admiration from others, and sincerity is never an issue,
either with the excessive flattery she pours on others, or with that
which she requires in reciprocation. She exhibits an abnormal sense
of entitlement, always demanding more for herself and for the various
groups to which she belongs than is reasonable or fair, and the
rights and feelings of those adversely affected are of little or no
consequence to her. She regards herself as being very unique,
special, and insightful, and thus more deserving than others,
consigning to ignorance and irrelevance any that fail to recognize
her singular importance or that dare to contradict her. Emerging from
her endless posts is a grossly exaggerated sense of self-importance,
which somehow transforms every situation, event, subject, and thread
into a narrative about Javanoire; the essence of all discourse thus
shifts away almost entirely from substantive matters into a perverse,
mindless, self-aggrandizing solipsistic fantasy of subjective
exposition concerning Java’s thoughts and opinions, how a situation
involves her, and how she feels about it, as if one were reading a
transcript of a private therapy session. She then attempts to
disguise these self-serving displays with florid paragraphs packed
with gushing, gratuitous praise lavished upon people she claims to
hardly know. Such meaningless flattery, laden with insincerity, and
the equally worthless responses thus elicited, will immediately be
detected by any astute observer, but such manipulation is seen to be
surprisingly effective in establishing a sense of indebtedness and
false intimacy among more credulous and inexperienced participants,
and so it’s effect should not be underestimated.



Javanoire treats people she doesn’t like literally as dirt,
describing them with evocative terms such as “slimy,” “filthy,” and
“scummy,” and her demeanor invariably is haughty, condescending,
arrogant, patronizing, and contemptuous when addressing or discussing
them. She is envious of others and imagines that others are envious
of her, and she thrives on this misconception. Most of all, Java
lacks any real sense of empathy: Despite endless displays of
factitious concern for others, she demonstrates no actual concern or
remorse for the unlimited distress she causes to her victims, whom
she deftly recasts as aggressors to thereby refocus all sympathy and
concern back onto herself.



This combination of traits, which some might describe as a
personality disorder, has nonetheless served Java quite well in
constructing an effective apparatus for deflection, a virtually
impenetrable smoke screen used to divert unwanted scrutiny and focus
away from her and onto her victims. This uncanny transformation from
vicious, stalking aggressor into innocent, harmless victim thus
justifies and masks Javanoire's causeless, continued aggression,
conceals her real agenda, and vilifies the actual victim to the point
where they have no allies and no voice. If you study her posts over
time you will find that she essentially admits this is what she does
and that she has “her rights” to do so. According to the Police in
Iowa, this is her defense



When posting to the eBay forums Javanoire has more or less maintained
an outwardly demure and apparently civic-minded persona, from what I
have seen, doing most of her dirty work behind the scenes, while
publicly acting primarily as a foil, as an instigator and as a
cheerleader as other crew-members take point in the directed attacks
against targeted businesses and unwelcome participants intruding upon
“their” forums and threads. Therefore, when viewed in isolation,
this persona, however self-serving, nonetheless appears reasonably
plausible and consistent; however, when examined in stark contrast
with the vile, vulgar, malicious, predatory, and blatantly dishonest
persona exhibited at the off-eBay forums used by current and former
eBay members for their un moderated discussions (ezboard.com,
therossshow.com, thecarwashlive.com, theauctionwatch.com, steeldragon.
640k.net, etc), then this cheerful, naïve eBay persona is unmasked,
revealing, in my view, a cynical, manipulative, calculating, and
thoroughly dishonest propagandist.



Brief History With This Crew

We don't make a habit of revealing personal information online, or of
explaining ourselves to fools and rascals on internet chat forums,
nor do we seek out online friendships with persons incapable of
actual friendship, and that is why Javanoire, and those of her ilk,
can manufacture such ridiculous personal narratives about us and
spoon feed these with so much success to morally, emotionally, and
intellectually challenged buffoons. Javanoire is an internet liar,
and she has been a relentless stalker the entire 4+ years we have had
to deal with her. The truth is we had no interest in the eBay
Discussion forums prior to May 2002. In fact, we weren't even aware
of the "educational" forums until a concerned customer wrote to
Lorraine to inform her that her eBay listings were being “discussed”
on the JG&W (Jewelry, Gemstones, & Watches) eBay discussion forum by
her competitors. Soon after we arrived, we incurred these
boardsters’ everlasting wrath because we had the unforgivable
temerity to defend our business and ourselves, to refuse their
“invitation” that we leave the forums and eBay altogether, and to
systematically expose their abuse of the public forums, the
insincerity of their self-serving agenda, and the fathomless depth of
their hypocrisy. Simply because 99 other sellers had buckled under
the sheer weight of their abuse, begging for provisional permission
to exist before crawling away in humiliation, didn't mean they should
expect the same from us. We've prevailed against far more
experienced and devious liars than these amateurs, and we weren't
about to dance to their boorish tunes.



The JG&W public forum had been commandeered by a closely-knit group
of forum thugs, “regulars,” organized into a crew with apparent
authority to control discourse and to conduct public and private
investigations of other members. They treated this public space as
their own private reserve, and posed themselves as authorized
liaisons to eBay management, conveying the clear but false message
that being “in” with eBay necessitated being “in” with the regulars;
and to a degree this status quo was achieved through various
manipulations of the eBay system in the form of barrages of specious
online and telephone complaints to pad the victim’s file and make her
appear crazy, clandestine auction interference of all kinds, and
systematic public and private character assassination of problem
people, usually planned off-site and then executed with military
precision by a “squad” acting in uniformity.



At first, we were astonished that other members would actually misuse
the community forums to savage other members and their listings, that
this could be done anonymously by business competitors, and that eBay
would just sit idle and allow their forums to be misused for such
misconduct directed against their paying customers. Java, Peep, and
their friends Porkipeyen, Bonjourami, Halwolf, and several other soon-
to-be carwashers were among the main instigators on JG&W, led by an
arrogant, condescending Polonsky-type using the handle 'a-cut-
above.' We began to monitor other eBay forums, including Trust &
Safety, and we determined that e-hooligans had organized themselves
into virtual "crews" or posses on every forum, using off-site
communication to coordinate their attacks and to share data
concerning various members. This was how we first became aware of
Alan Polonsky, who reigned over T&S like a petty tyrant. We learned
that members of these crews trade in “credibility,” a commodity
having nothing whatsoever to do with authenticity or with genuine
credibility, but which is actually code for an internal measure of a
person’s usefulness to the group; it’s a kind of treat members
gratuitously shower upon other members, but utterly deny to persons
outside the coterie. When awarded, it acts to reinforce “good”
behavior, and when withheld, members are thereby trained to
understand their transgressions and to correct themselves. By
inference, everyone is supposed to want it, and the community is
taught to believe that those without it are “bad” people. This is a
common brainwashing technique used by personality cults to
marginalize dissent and to rigidly conform the thinking of cult members.

[Cyber Diva]

continued...

What we saw taking place on the forums with these bullies truly was
horrific, and we felt we had to do something about it; so we began
alerting eBay that their public fora were being used to perpetrate
business interference, malicious libel, harassment, and other
mischief. We were referred to Daphne, and to our surprise, this
conduct evidently was permitted, at least to some - the 'regulars,'
as they seemed to have carte blanche despite being the very worst
violators of forum policy. Clearly something was wrong with Daphne’s
administration of the forum, and so we documented various examples
concerning her blatant preferential treatment of the self-appointed
netcops who were running JG&W not as a public forum for the benefit
of all members but rather as if they owned it. There was disparate,
selective enforcement of the published policies, which the regulars
routinely disobeyed without consequence; whereas there was
comparatively strict enforcement against those that challenged the
regulars. Little, however, was done, and when we applied pressure, we
became the target for administrative action by Daphne, the
PocketPink, We openly and publicly criticized the inappropriate, cozy
relationship that existed between the regulars and the Pinks; we
complained that our business competitors were being given free reign
to attack us anonymously in the public space, and we lobbied for
changes on behalf of eBay PowerSellers (the primary targets of the
netcops) that might put an end to the horrendous public board trials
and to various other forms of business interference openly occurring
on the site. In time, Daphne and her supervisor Claire conspired to
silence us by fabricating a bogus warning we never received,
backdating this, and then using a minor infraction as a pretext to
issue a 30-day board suspension. We documented this malfeasance and
submitted that directly to the eBay Legal Department, with copies to
Daphne and Claire. The suspension was then quietly reversed without
explanation or apology. The regulars were leaked this information by
"someone," and they went public with what they had learned. They
then stepped up the attacks and began spreading rumors that we were
"crazy" "psychotic" and "vindictive." At that time, eBay customer
service was accessible via email and by telephone, and suddenly our
eBay file began to overflow in less than a year with what eventually
numbered more than 3,000 impersonated customer service inquiries
designed to set us up for site interference. No doubt we were not
the only victims of this kind of retaliation, and eventually these
and other abuses led to the webform system.



Shortly after Daphne and Claire were forced to back down, the
regulars somehow managed to "discover" my transactional ID, and they
used that information to start all sorts of trouble. We believe that
my transactional id was provided to the boardsters by Daphne in
retaliation for our documenting and exposing her misconduct to upper
management, as there was no other way the vigilantes could have
obtained that information. We learned later through confidential
sources that Daphne had been “reassigned.” We also noticed that a
major restructuring of the forums had occurred thereafter.



We wrote to Rob Chesnut several times and documented instances of
abuse, such as the publishing on eBay forums of our whois
information, the public abuse and board trials to which we were
regularly being subjected, the feedback bombing, the business
interference, and the specious complaints being filed against us by
the JG&W/CarWash hooligans, proliferating themselves using multiple
disposable identities. Although sympathetic and genuinely
concerned, Mr. Chesnut was relatively new to eBay and the forums were
not directly under his control (this later changed, of course);
however, he did offer to do what he could without "stepping on
toes." Legally, there was at that time no established case law
concerning Internet libel, and charges of online stalking and
harassment generally required a credible threat to be actionable, we
were advised, so pursuing legal action seemed futile. Meanwhile,
these arrogant ruffians were riding high on their First Amendment
"right" to anonymously publish any libel they pleased, their "right"
to attack legitimate businesspeople with impunity because "they were
scammers," and they laughed in our faces when we confronted them and
raised legitimate ethical and legal questions concerning posting ids
and their use on eBay to promote public defamation and business
interference, vigilantism, and other kinds of abuse. We thus were
left with no other choice but to defend ourselves on the public
forums, as neither eBay nor anyone else seemed able to provide
immediate relief, and we weren't about to let these hooligans get
away with this unchallenged.

Early on, Javanoire's friend Denise (JG&W regular, bonjourami, later
implicated in shill bidding with Javanoire) had publicly vowed to
destroy our jewelry business and to permanently drive us off of eBay,
and it was clear she spoke for the entire crew when she published
this threat on JG&W, as evidenced by the escalated harassment we
received from that point forward. The fabricated collection of
specious allegations, misrepresentations, complaints, and
manufactured “facts” was condensed into one of those famous CarWash
“history packages” and distributed throughout the greater community
by CarWash members like Sandy Martin (lady_boardwalker, Heartland
Antiques), Javanoire, Noyoudident, Citnalta, and
Porkipeyen. .Javanoire eventually took the lead in stalking us in the
public forums and began following me wherever I went, obstructing my
ability to participate in any discussion of eBay policy anywhere on
the site. With few exceptions, she would just appear in every
thread, often using multiple ids to attack my posts, as well as
Lorraine and I personally. Defamatory statements that couldn’t be
posted were sent privately by different crew members until the job
was done. Javanoire’s aim was to enlist support for her crew’s
campaign to harass us and to make it literally impossible for us to
have a voice in the community. Usually accompanied by a handful of
JG&W crew members, she would derail every topic into oblivion so that
any ideas being presented could neither be heard nor discussed, and
legitimate debate was made simply impossible. One could even
pinpoint the exact time “uninitiated” members had been PM’d the
history package by observing the effect of this newfound “knowledge”
on their posts, which suddenly took on the same quality of
belligerence and hatred shared by Javanoire and her companions.


We could see that the forums were being utilized to conduct privately-
motivated witch hunts and board trials, while important discussions
were being consistently shunted to the sidelines and derailed. Our
policy generally was to object and to add balance, and for this we
were systematically attacked, undermined, and scorned. Any number of
dishonest means were employed to relentlessly attack our credibility
and to artificially enhance their own status. We began to study some
of the more belligerent netcops in 2003, and as we assembled enough
facts, we discovered that these vigilantes invariably belonged to
crews formed to exploit the various loopholes and vulnerabilities in
the eBay system for the benefit of crew members. As anyone can see,
their easily discernible activities include unbridled aggression,
shill bidding among crew members, auction interference against
business competitors, and assaults on designated enemies, while
hypocrisy, pathological lying, and belligerence are among their
common traits. Ironically, netcop crew members profess a deep and
abiding intolerance of fraud and deception, and claim a sincere
altruistic concern for others, and this is supposed to explain why
they “volunteer” their time. We never bought this. These people
just lack the qualities of the altruistic personality, and to a
person, each practices deception as an art, turning a blind eye or
giving a wink and a nod to the blatant fraud of fellow members, while
raising to infinity the minor alleged infractions of their crew’s
targets. We do not believe anyone can be this hypocritical unless it
is deliberate and calculated, or that characters like these would
work this hard and for this long in concert with others without
substantial remuneration in some form. It simply defies reason.


There are many examples, but I will provide just two: A bogus buyer,
impghia, once purchased an item with the obvious intent to start as
much trouble as possible, and then miraculously she just found her
way to the JG&W forums the very day she received her item (i.e. no
feedback exchange had occurred):


http://artrenditions.com/archives/e...ring_fraud.html


Once there, she was received with open arms by her new best friends,
headed by Jacinta (posting as javanoire, labruja!, tallu1ah, and
possibly others), who were all ready to proceed with a staged board
trial of PriceGems. When we investigated, we found that impghia had
just registered the buying id the day before her purchase, that she
wasn't the newbie she claimed to be when she started her attack
thread, as we identified other ids going back more than one year, her
contact information on eBay was inaccurate, and, of course, her
complaint was fraudulent. I gave them a trial to remember, and this
thread, which was designed to "bring down pricegems," turned out to
be thoroughly embarrassing to Javanoire, Bonjourami, and to their
entire crew, as it proved our allegations, it publicly demonstrated
their hypocrisy and ill-motivation, and it provided us with further
evidence, additional suspects, and deeper insight into their
organization and methods. Needless to say, this result did not
please them, and indeed thereafter they were hell bent on revenge.
Within a short time, Karl Kischkel, a new JG&W regular, began to
court us and promised to help. Javanoire's good friend porkipeyen
(Sherry) became a member of Kischkel's crew, along with her friend
icugigi, who had been publishing our whois information on T&S with
various false, incendiary allegations intended to rally support and
to prompt untraceable business interference from random trolls with
time on their hands. Just prior to this, Kischkel had posted in the
private forums at TCW that he had determined we might be favorable to
him and that he was “going to use that down the road.”


In another case, a vigilante was posing herself on T&S as a member of
law enforcement whose husband, a firefighter, had died during 911.
The design of this ruse was to grant absolute credibility, sympathy,
and trust to this new persona and to funnel communications with other
posters through this artificially established identity. This
resulted in the perpetrator (postingid007) receiving a inquiry from
the FBI, as confirmed by her own subsequent admission and as
corroborated by an associate and friend at API, who privately had
helped to report the impersonation.


Using these and other such methods too numerous to mention, Javanoire
and her fellow crew members have been able to factitiously establish
their own reputations, while deceptively dismantling the reputations
and standing of others within the community, and so, when she says we
are "universally despised," she is more or less correct, but she
fails to take credit for her own part in bringing about this
unwarranted but nonetheless intended result. You may note this same
strategy has been used rather successfully by Polonsky and his crew
against Cartman. It works.


In the name of community service, we have seen this crew conduct
bogus charity auctions wherein they have engaged in documented shill
bidding and whereby they have inappropriately enriched themselves.
We have seen them exercise control of the discussion forums as if
they owned these public facilities, by hogging the resources, by
chasing away visitors they didn't like, by establishing their own
system of "credibility," and by generally using the forums for their
own selfish purposes, which almost invariably have been at odds with
both forum policy and with the intended purposes of the forums. Crew
members routinely praise one another for their goodness, kindness,
and selfless contributions, when there absolutely is no basis for
such undeserved, gratuitous acclaim. Simultaneously, they perpetuate
vicious slanders about their opponents, which are intended to
obliterate the reputations of these targeted individuals within the
community. In our case, crew members have repeatedly posed as
buyers to bid at our auctions, either directly or through surrogates,
to complete purchases with the intent to file complaints and to post
derogatory feedback. They have repeatedly contacted our buyers and
bidders to warn them away and to solicit complaints, and they have
otherwise acted to cause the filing of fraudulent chargebacks, to
damage our online reputation, and to adversely manipulate our files
with eBay. After thus causing as much trouble as they possibly can,
they then point to any evidence of their handiwork, such as negative
feedback, as the justification and context for their continued public
defamation. This cycle culminated in early 2004 when members of the
JG&W crew donned socks (iwouldadoublebaggedit, showntell,
baseless_claims) and posed themselves as “unhappy customers” who had
somehow, miraculously just stumbled upon The Carwash ezboard and from
there had learned about Rumjungle, where Lorraine had been posting as
CyberDiva. These imposters didn’t hold up at all under
interrogation, and were exposed as frauds. When time permitted, a
careful study of their posting styles, diction, and other semiotic
markers, enabled us to ascertain their identities. Just prior to
this, Javanoire had created the stalking *cyber*diva* impersonation/
stalking/harassment account on eBay, which she had been using to
troll me and to criticize the real CyberDiva, Lorraine.


The JG&W boardsters headed by javanoire, bonjourami, peeep,
porkipeyen, icugigi (cri computers), and their associates certainly
have had reason to loathe and to fear us. As high-profile
vigilantes, these netcops are heavily invested in their online
reputations, and that is why it is essential their judgments and
pronouncements concerning the businesses and individuals they attack
are never questioned. They are not above staging purchases or
manufacturing evidence to prove their verdicts, and they work
concertedly and diligently in constructing reality and manufacturing
consensus by controlling the flow of information. Since the very day
they began attacking our businesses in May 2002 we've confronted them
in the public forums and have effectively challenged their authority
and misuse of the public space, usually embarrassing and undermining
their prestige and control in the process. We have educated and have
given assistance to many of their naive victims, who almost
invariably were overwhelmed by the unexpected, orchestrated attacks
on their businesses and reputations. We have defeated every one of
their systematic attacks on us, both on and off the boards,
effectively meeting their intrusions head on with investigation,
interrogation, examination, and deposition, followed by documentation
and reporting. We have memorialized their abuse in our feedback. We
have obstructed their abuse on various eBay forums, including JG&W
and T&S, and we have documented, publicly exposed, and have reported,
with results, their blatant shill bidding, business interference, and
other abuse. We shut down thecarwashlive.com and took control of the
archives containing years of evidence implicating javanoire, jayne,
citnalta, heartland antiques (lady_boardwalker), hanna, tekobari,
puzzlegoddess, peeep, FOD, nuke, chopsbuster, and others, which means
that we must now be destroyed, lest information so damaging and
embarrassing to these online predators should get out. Yet, despite
the immense volume of abuse that has been heaped upon us for four
consecutive years by this jolly crew, they've not once ever managed
to cause us to behave unprofessionally, either publicly or privately,
and they've utterly failed in their professed mission to destroy us.
Certainly the strongest basis for their antipathy, however, has been
the unwanted, focused attention (heat) we have brought down on them
concerning what they actually have been doing on and off of eBay. We
have undermined their inappropriate relationships with various eBay
personnel, and we've managed to spark change leading to a welcome end
to their destructive reign over JG&W and T&S. In all of this,
Javanoire’s malevolent presence has been constant, and so yes, you
could say that quite a lot has been going on, and that Javanoire has
been up to her eyeballs in it.=


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Some more info here. Java is posting as
*cyber*diva*

http://artrenditions.com/archives/e...ForAChange.html

User ID Effective Date End Date

*cyber*diva* Jan-09-04 Present
[/quote]

[Cyber Diva]

Don't forget, JavaNoire, when you come back, first thing you should post about is the FALSE police report you filed after publishing various different versions of your police story, right here, at TRS. What did you tell your board friends about the police report, again? Didn't someone on the boards help you create the manufactured false documentation you provided to the police? Do tell how you've implicated them in a crime. And...they thought those libelous letters were to be used only for your employer!

Anyway, while we're waiting for JavaNoire to tell her audience what she'd filed in her FALSE police report... here is the wonderful advice she'd given everyone else when it came to matters concerning EZ Jenn's Police report: :1barf1:

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Originally Posted by JavaNoire

Post #41
10-14-2005, 05:51 PM
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This thread is so bizarre, where's the harm in a wildly OT post?

Sandy, who would have warned PurpleButterfly in June '04 that Alan would someday turn on her? Who knows or cares what he'll do? Regardless, stable adults should survive an online attack with minimal damage (ie none). Y'know? If he doesn't attack, fine. If he does, oh well. I truly can't imagine who would have warned her...Or why.

Moving back OT...

Roy, do you have any affection for the 1st amendment? What Brandon wrote was vile. It was ugly. It was nasty. Also vulgar, profane & twisted. Many would find it shocking, disturbing, disgusting. Only a simpering fool would have felt threatened. Ugly ain't dangerous, dammit.

It's been pointed out that none of us know ezJennifer's name or location. We can't even be certain of her gender. For a threat to be credible, ie threatening, y'know real, it must be possible to act on it. None of us can do anything to ezJennifer. She's nothing but a screen name working for ezBoard. She is, IMO, a whiny wuss, a vengeful twit & unsuited to her job.

IF she truly felt threatened by someone who's never seen her, never talked to her & doesn't know her name or location, then she's too delicate for RL & oughta retire to a convent.

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10-14-2005, 06:11 PM
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I don't believe there was a threat. Very stupid, incredibly ugly remarks are not threatening.

As to what constitutes a violation of the threat/assault laws...intent? WHERE the fuck is the intent when one is saying something they KNOW to be impossible to carry out?

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Originally Posted by JavaNoire

Post # 48
10-14-2005, 06:20 PM
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People need to be careful about what they say on the internet? I think it's about time people take some care with what they're doing to our personal freedoms, Bill of Rights & language.

Too damned many people are wont to howl harassed, stalked, threatened, violated whenever their sensibilities have been bruised or their egos tweaked.

It's disgraceful how these simpleton fucks succeed at bastardizing the language until meanings are stretched & blurred to the point of being ridiculous. We oughta be careful about furthering the erosion of language just to accomodate every thin skinned whiner.

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Originally Posted by JavaNoire

Post #51
10-14-2005, 06:28 PM
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& Roy...desire does NOT equal intent. At least 10 times a day I have an overwhelming desire to slap someone snotless..rip off a few heards & feed the owners to the crocodiles. There are indeed 2 people I'd quite honestly, very seriously like to hurt, maim, cripple (at the very least).

NONE of this is illegal. Nor should it be illegal. Despite my desires I have no intention of acting on 'em. I can guarantee I won't act on 'em. I am permitted to 'want' for chrissake.

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Originally Posted by JavaNoire

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10-14-2005, 07:09 PM
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I don't know which is worse, Sandy.

I can't believe all the oohing & aahing over this crap, carrying on as tho' Brandon is Old Scratch, himself.

& while Roy is talking about intent, That's commonly invoked by the defense. Y'know heated (foolish)words spoken(well usually screamed) with no intentions of following through...I dunno how well it fares as a defense but as often as I've seen it used, I doubt that it's worthless.


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10-14-2005, 07:25 PM
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Posted by Sandy:
Roy, I have a very strong desire to smack you snotless.

Posted by Roy:
LOL it could be taken as such. Hence the reason to be carfull what you post. I dont take it as such, but it easy could be by others.
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Oh bullshit, Roy. Only a damned ninny given to night frights & vapors would perceive a real threat in that. Some people just yearn to feel harassed, threatened whatnot. Their wish to always be a victim should not take precedence over our frredoms or simple common fucking reason.
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10-15-2005, 01:19 AM
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Therp, I'm curious, nothing more.

You 'know' Jenn...1st & last name?

& the city she lives in...Roughly how large is this city & is it close to any major municipalities?

Could you easily locate her?

If so, how many others do you think this applies to?

Have you told her what an unmitigated twit she is? She can't possibly be that skittish & get out of bed in the am.
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Originally Posted by JavaNoire

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10-15-2005, 08:47 AM
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Therp, I have no interest in the name of the city she lives in or even it's geographical location.

I asked about its size & whether it's associated with a major metro area b/c using a name to find someone in say Bertram Iowa is considerably easier than locating the same person in New York City with only a name. This assumes the name isn't wildly unusual.

I have no interest in knowing who ezJenn is. What I've seen hasn't been impressive. She strikes me as a whiny moron with cotton candy b/w her ears. Her actual name & city makes no difference. In fact I'd rather not know identifying information on anyone so pathologically timid.


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10-15-2005, 01:56 PM
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Therp, you thoroughly answered my questions. Thanks.

IF ezJenn is not so timid as to feel threatened then she's allowed anger to render her malicious & deceiving.

I've seen any number of RL incidents where people press charges for spozed threats only b/c their feelings were wounded, they were offended, embarrassed or angered. (Such overwrought emotions are frequently fueled with ethanol) It's a disgusting misuse of police resources which are already stretched dangerously thin. To see this behavior popping up online is even more disgusting.



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10-15-2005, 07:55 PM
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It's ridiculous to insist on seeing 'threats' in every utterance. MeinGott! What a pack of nervous nellies inhabit these boards. How can such timorous souls venture outside where there are real people that might be carrying real weapons who are prepared to make & carry out real threats?

[socrfan2]

I know I'm going to regret stepping into this. I can't be bothered to read the endless and seemingly irrelevant c/p's which Diva seems to think have some earth-stopping significance but that she can't even seem to be able to summarize coherently.

But I have to comment on this comment, which Diva has now blurted out a couple of times in the past day or so:

even after being properly served a Cease & Desist Notice,

Do you mean you sent a letter to her employer on the order of that babble that Cartman sent to that other lady? Using all the "big lawyer words" you could think of, with lots of whereases and inasmuchases and all that other mumbo jumbo? If you did that, all that indicates is two things: 1) you admit taking a board war into someone's real life, and 2) you're truly delusional if you think sending a couple pages of bluster and babble is "properly serving" anything.

Your constant threats that "our lawyers will be contacting you" really are hysterical.

I don't know anything about this controversy, have no idea whether it has been discussed on other board, and don't want to know. But I've seen enough of Diva and her blob of a husband to know if they're in a fight with someone, I believe the other person.

[JavaNoire]

clap*clap*clap

Diva is truly the Queen O C&P...That's a fine little talent she's developed.

There were NO false police reports. Nor did the police ever believe I was lying. I have no need to. I'm not making unwelcome intrusions into others lives. I'm not contacting theDiva's friends, family or employers. I'm not trailing em across the net obsessively collecting(& cherishing) their every utterance.

It is Diva that doesn't get it. But that's all right. I expect nothing from her but she stay away from my RL family, friends & employer. OL she can piss & moan, lie & deflect, duck, dodge & divert as much as makes her happy.As evidenced by the above it takes a lot to keep her hummin...OhhhWell.

[Cyber Diva]

Greetings Socrfan:

If you are so inclined to involve yourself in this matter, here's a link to the Cease & Desist notice so you can see for yourself that it is indeed lawful.

Also, the C&D was published for the first time on August 25, 2006 after we learned that JavaNoire had lied regarding the notice.

http://networkstalking.org/nucleus/index.php?catid=17&blogid=1

By the way, the cut and pastes are provided because it's best to show actual proof of whatever one says, rather than allow for speculation, but, you probably already knew that considering your professional status.

[Cyber Diva]

There were NO false police reports.

There were FALSE police reports.



Nor did the police ever believe I was lying.

The police stated you'd changed your story, that is a nice way of saying you LIED through your teeth. Fool the Ross show folks all you want, the police didn't lie about it. You did.


It is Diva that doesn't get it. But that's all right. I expect nothing from her but she stay away from my RL family, friends & employer.

Your employer was contacted once, your family was never contacted. Your friends, I wouldn't know. I will say, if you continue to libel and harass us, your employer will be notified, by our lawyer, you've given us no other choice.

Now...good bye.

[JavaNoire]

Silly me Soc. I thought posting my full name would be enough for them...WRONG again.

Yeah, they did exactly as you surmised, you clever devil! Big lawyer words & everything. It went nowhere. Their sole hope rested in an accusation I post from work...As I've said repeatedly, I use the computers at work in accordance with the guidelines...We're permitted to use them on breaks, but I barely do that & never to post to discussion boards. Without that they had NOTHING my employer cared about.

Hell, I've practically earned the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval thanks to them. Not many get the opportunity to have their computer use officially cleared by investigation!

[Cyber Diva]

Using all the "big lawyer words" you could think of, with lots of whereases and inasmuchases and all that other mumbo jumbo? If you did that, all that indicates is two things: 1) you admit taking a board war into someone's real life,

I can't help but wonder why when puzzlegoddess referred to you as a pedophile, you took it to the real world and reported it. Why? It was just mumbo jumbo on a board.

[JavaNoire]

Diva, you have the choice to act honorably & ethically within the law. It is in your interest to do so. My employer is not much interested in your(actionable) intrusion into my affairs. You're so obviously an out of control loon that those who've had to piece it together pity those you target, but no more than that.

Yes, you contacted my daughter. And her adopted Grandmother. And my employer. Your malicious & inappropriate contact was, & remains, unwelcome harassment.

[Cyber Diva]

You're a reckless liar. End of story.

[JavaNoire]

End of story? It is if you're smart enough & ethical enough to stay the fuck out of my life with your craziness, your lies, your unwanted, unwarranted contacts of my family, friends & employer.

OL? Lie all you want. Spin out all the crazeee BS your shriveled soul hungers for. Blame me for anything & everything wrong in your blighted existence. Go for it. You'll convince yourself(maybe) & nobody else.

[Heartland]

End of story. Gee, why do I find that statement to be laughable? :rolleyes:

[Parklane64]

:sm1167:

[Powerhouse]

Ross - where the hell is that 'Flogging A Dead Horse' emoticon?
OTWA has one, why not us - lord knows we need it as much!
:1b2:

[boardbimbo]

http://networkstalking.org/nucleus/index.php?catid=17&blogid=1

The abuse which has been briefly outlined below and partially documented in the attachments that follow has occurred periodically since 2002 and conducted around the clock, without any discernibly regular lapses corresponding to an 8-hour shift, and this would indicate to us that the activity has been performed at times from Quijana’s place of employment.

Uh huh.

Didja ever hear of annual leave, sick leave, shift changes, etc?

Really, it can happen that way.

[rossshow]

This thread is a spin off of a BAD BAD THINGS thread.

[Cyber Diva]

Gee, why do I find that statement to be laughable? :rolleyes:

Probably because you are an internet liar, and libeler just like JavaNoire? That would be my guess why you would think lying through your teeth, filing FALSE police reports, and misleading community after community is a laughable situation.

You came to this community too Sandy, and befriended everyone based upon LIE and LIE you told about your own involvement with the Car Wash harassment and libel board. That is well documented, fortunately.

And...there's more to come about your lies, and libel, Sandy, you tekobari and Hanna along with JavaNoire are the worse liars on the internet.

So, enjoy your Steel Dragon, I hear you are about to lose that board soon. Too bad. My my, what a shame Cit's talking too.

Guess you heard, Cit's now singing like a song bird, 'bout you, too.

She's finally revealed that you have been reading her PRIVATE communications at the Steel Dragon, imagine that?

Dang Sandy! What need was there for you to do that? Oh yeah, you don't answer questions when you're questioned. You're famous for that. lol

Perhaps you'd care to comment on Cit's statements though since they're about your lying ass?

09-18-2006, 12:28 AM

Cit
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Originally Posted by Paradoxical Genie
Snickering because during the short time I spent as a member there, I looked at one profile to see if I could determine the identity of …… o whoever that was I can’t remember. It’s base, though, of course. Heee! I was booted about an hour later.
Well aside from her not wanting you to have much time to look around — which at your “level” of membership that night, the looking would have been short-lived anyway, but aside from that being a possible reason — the main reason she booted you that night, was the whole reason she accepted your membership to begin with. Just so she could boot you and make a “show” out of it!

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All that is required to read the PMs of any php/mysql board such as phpBB or vBulletin is phpMyAdmin, which is free, open source and most hosting accounts come equipped with it already. I know RP is banking on most people not knowing that, but too bad, so sad.
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Well, I KNOW she read the pms between myself and one other member and even shared what she read with Sandy. But, I usually never say much anywhere, anytime that is surprising to anyone who’s known me — and if they didn’t like what they read, they should have remembered that fact about me, when they read my pms! Even though I let many things pass without comment, sometimes the best way to say what you really want to say to someone, is to say it where they end up “outting” theirselves by commenting on what I said (meaning in pms they had no business reading).

Hope that makes sense…I do tend to wander in my thoughts when trying to post what I mean.

[Powerhouse]

Ross - where the hell is that 'Flogging A Dead Horse' emoticon?
OTWA has one, why not us - lord knows we need it as much!
:1b2:

:2gamecock

[kim]

- i like sandy and java - based on their friendliness - not at all because of anything to do with carwash...

[Cyber Diva]

- i like sandy and java - based on their friendliness - not at all because of anything to do with carwash...

I doubt you would like either of them if you saw the private forum of the Car Wash. Both of them told vicious lies about a lot of good people. Same goes for Hanna, their dear, not so innocent e-friend. They harassed, libeled, and created rumor after rumor about innocent peeps that got in their way. They are bullies and internet thugs.

:1kool1-ai

[Steamcleaner]

They harassed, libeled, and created rumor after rumor about innocent peeps that got in their way. They are bullies and internet thugs.
That sounds like a good definition of you and Aaron.

:1liar3:

[Cyber Diva]

No it doesn't, anonymous liar. Whenever we've pointed out the flaws in your character, we've done so with proof. That's why you and your ilk are so fearful of those who've archived the evidence.

You're file's becoming quite large, too. One day we'll discover who you are and then we can celebrate. k? lol

:1JerryJer

[Cyber Diva]

correction: you're = your file is

but you probably got that, huh? :1chirol_c

[Cyber Diva]

http://therossshow.com/showthread.php?p=92389#post92389

I agree with Tek, Chops is many things, but a scammer he isn't.


By the way, Steamcleaner, Chops is many things, and he is also a scammer.
You must not know him very well. He prides himself on pulling off scams :8heartbea .

[Steamcleaner]

Whenever we've pointed out the flaws in your character, we've done so with proof.
HaHaHaHaHaHa! You are so funny Diva, always good for a laugh.

:KaoC010:

[Cyber Diva]

Yep, good to keep a smile on your face, when telling the truth. After all, this is the truth teller's board. :1chirol_c

[Steamcleaner]

http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=93054&postcount=84

Mr Buster has posted this quote of Heartland's a few times now, so it looks like he accepts this definition of scammer, so I withdraw my statement that he is not a scammer.

:2headspin

This post of mine was further along in the same thread where you got the one you posted. Please add this to my file. Thanks..

[JavaNoire]

Anything I said in the private forum I'd say publicly. Any that have chatted with me can vouch for that. Or theDivas can post these damning statements I made. It's well established they publicly post private correspondence without hesitation. This they can do with my full approval.

Dusa I've very much enjoyed getting to know you, too.

Sandy & Steamcleaner are liked & respected by many . This has been true on multiple boards. TheDivas can't put a dent in that on their very best day. In fact the Divas in full blown meltdown only help to establish the worth & mettle of people like Steamcleaner & Sandy.

[socrfan2]

... here's a link to the Cease & Desist notice so you can see for yourself that it is indeed lawful.

Are you fucking kidding? You can't be serious about that, can you? [Well, I guess you are.] The "cease and desist order" that you so proudly link to is no more "properly served" (your original term, and the one I took issue with) than a baloney sandwich -- which is pretty much what the C&D order is. It has no standing -- it's just a bag of wind, written by a bag of wind.

Here, let me type real slow, so you can follow. To be "properly served", a cease and desist order would have to be issued by a court and "served" by an officer of the court. THAT is what "properly served" means. Sorry to deflate your obvious sense of self-importance, but that "cease and desist order" is just so much wind. Clearly written with malicious intent (as was Cartman's), trying to get a chatboard antagonist in trouble on their job, but of no more legal weight than a fart.

But, thanks for confirming the two points in my OP -- first, that you and your husband routinely take chatboard disputes into other peoples' real lives (and, indeed, seem to be very proud of doing this), and, second, that you indeed appear to be stupid enough to think that kind of huffing and puffing actually means something.

The "libel" and "stalking" that you document is pretty funny. For people who dish it out pretty good (and have no hesitation at all about invading other peoples' privacy and their real lives), you and your husband seem to have incredibly thin skins. I glanced at your web page, and most of the "attacks" and "stalking" and "libel" you complain about seems to be nothing more than people disagreeing with you or making nasty comments about you. This justifies sending your phony "cease and desist orders" to their employers? Featuring them in attack web pages?

I can't help but wonder why when puzzlegoddess referred to you as a pedophile, you took it to the real world and reported it. Why? It was just mumbo jumbo on a board.

Oh, nice. Bring up that long dead issue. Gee, where'd that come from? The old TRB? Do you archive everything? Is there any charge so petty and nasty that you won't throw at people?

Are you really that stupid? [Don't answer, I think you actually are.] WTF "real world" did I take it to? I told THE SOCCER CLUB I WAS INVOLVED WITH AT THE TIME (and no longer am involved with; I got bored with the constant politics in youth soccer a year or so ago and moved on) that there was a deranged stalker making ridiculous online accusations about me.

Knock, knock. Get it? My own RL. Nobody else's. Puzzlegoddess chose to make a threatening comment that had some potential to enter my RL, and I took precautionary steps. I didn't put up a windy website and publish her real name and phone number and an endless series of C/P's of irrelevant chatboard posts, which seems to be your preferred tactic. I just told the soccer people I was involved with at the time that "if you hear something, check with me first."

My complaint about you, your pompous windbag of a husband, Chops, Cartman, and most of the other carrion feeders I see consuming each other in these endless chatboard (and RL) wars is that you take these idiotic chatboard fights into OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES (as you freely admit you do -- and seem to be proud of).

Sheesh. What a fucking moron.

Y'know, I probably "loath" Puzzlegoddess about as much as I can "loath" anyone who is just a series of blips on a computer screen. Nevertheless, what you and your husband did to her (publishing her personal info and keeping it up on your silly-assed web site for months) was as sleazy a trick as I've ever witnessed in the OAI (and, believe me, that's saying something). You have to sink pretty low to be the lowest of the low.

And now, since I have no desire to be featured on your attack web page, I don't intend to address you and your creep husband again. Please do me the same favor.

[Renegade Poster]

So, enjoy your Steel Dragon, I hear you are about to lose that board soon. Too bad. My my, what a shame Cit's talking too.

Guess you heard, Cit's now singing like a song bird, 'bout you, too.

She's finally revealed that you have been reading her PRIVATE communications at the Steel Dragon, imagine that?

Dang Sandy! What need was there for you to do that? Oh yeah, you don't answer questions when you're questioned. You're famous for that. lol

Perhaps you'd care to comment on Cit's statements though since they're about your lying ass?

09-18-2006, 12:28 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradoxical Genie
Snickering because during the short time I spent as a member there, I looked at one profile to see if I could determine the identity of …… o whoever that was I can’t remember. It’s base, though, of course. Heee! I was booted about an hour later.
Well aside from her not wanting you to have much time to look around — which at your “level” of membership that night, the looking would have been short-lived anyway, but aside from that being a possible reason — the main reason she booted you that night, was the whole reason she accepted your membership to begin with. Just so she could boot you and make a “show” out of it!

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All that is required to read the PMs of any php/mysql board such as phpBB or vBulletin is phpMyAdmin, which is free, open source and most hosting accounts come equipped with it already. I know RP is banking on most people not knowing that, but too bad, so sad.
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Well, I KNOW she read the pms between myself and one other member and even shared what she read with Sandy. But, I usually never say much anywhere, anytime that is surprising to anyone who’s known me — and if they didn’t like what they read, they should have remembered that fact about me, when they read my pms! Even though I let many things pass without comment, sometimes the best way to say what you really want to say to someone, is to say it where they end up “outting” theirselves by commenting on what I said (meaning in pms they had no business reading).

Hope that makes sense…I do tend to wander in my thoughts when trying to post what I mean.
As far as my losing the board, Diva, don't you fret a minute about that.

You mean Cit's lying like a rug, don't you? I have not read her PMs, nor anyone else's, much less shared them. How would she know anyway? She made that up just like she made up the rest of the stuff she posted.

PG was booted from SD because she lied to me about her reason for being there. Period.

They seem to know a lot about how to read PMs. :1crazy: Yes, I have phpMyAdmin. I use it to back up the database. I do not know, nor do I want to know, how to read people's PMs with it.

Shame on you, Diva, for believing that Carwash garbage.

[Cyber Diva]

But, thanks for confirming the two points in my OP -- first, that you and your husband routinely take chatboard disputes into other peoples' real lives..
Socrfan, you wouldn't know what we do, routinely. How would you?

And here's what you did, not too long ago, when something on a chat board was affecting your real life....

http://therossshow.com/showthread.php?t=2537&page=3&pp=20


06-17-2004, 12:28 PM
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Puzzlegoddess, are you so clueless that you don't understand the difference between calling someone a nasty name (whether it's b*tch, c*nt, moron, maroon, lunatic, or whatever) and accusing them of committing a felony?

Do you really think that it's all just "conversation"? Something people should "get over"? Do you think there's anything in the slightest bit funny about your act? Really, you are so pathetic and out of control. I'm surprised you can function in this world.

I assume you know I'm involved in youth soccer. I don't think that's any big secret around the boards. I hope you don't know my last name, the name of the club I'm involved with, or anything else about me.

Right now, there's nothing nastier a person involved in youth sports can be accused of than being a pedophile. Soccer clubs are spending literally thousands of dollars doing background investigations of coaches and other volunteers to try to screen out these types of people. If any soccer club got an anonymous tip saying substantially the same thing as what you posted, that would be a very serious matter. While I assume you don't specifically know any of these things, I assume that demented appendage on top of your shoulders that some people loosely call a "mind" must somehow have processed the "thought" that calling me a pedophile might be the meanest, rooten-tootenest thing you could do. So, do I consider what you did the equivalent of threatening to mess with peoples' auctions, their kids, etc.? Yes, I do. What you did was despicable. I hope people who have befriended you have now come to realize how sick, twisted, and demented you are.

I spent the morning talking with the people at my soccer club and my state soccer association. It was somewhat embarrassing to me, but I described the incredibly immature behavior I engage in on these boards and the ongoing spats you and I have had. I asked them if they received any accusations like this against me to at least contact me and give me the benefit of the doubt. They said they would. So, while it was a waste of a morning and somewhat embarrassing, I've taken away whatever power you have over me.

Now, why don't you do the right thing and slither back into your hole.

[Cyber Diva]

Regarding a former Ross Show poster, puzzlegoddess.....
Right now, there's nothing nastier a person involved in youth sports can be accused of than being a pedophile. Soccer clubs are spending literally thousands of dollars doing background investigations of coaches and other volunteers to try to screen out these types of people. If any soccer club got an anonymous tip saying substantially the same thing as what you posted, that would be a very serious matter. While I assume you don't specifically know any of these things, I assume that demented appendage on top of your shoulders that some people loosely call a "mind" must somehow have processed the "thought" that calling me a pedophile might be the meanest, rooten-tootenest thing you could do. So, do I consider what you did the equivalent of threatening to mess with peoples' auctions, their kids, etc.? Yes, I do. What you did was despicable. I hope people who have befriended you have now come to realize how sick, twisted, and demented you are.

http://therossshow.com/showthread.php?t=2537&page=3&pp=20



So when the false reports concern you, socrfan2, and the person being falsely accused is you, then there is "nothing nastier," but when the person being fasely accused is someone you don't like and don't even know then you join right in:


JavaNoire at TheRossShow, on 02-13-2006, 09:41 PM:

They thought it was damned suspicious that a supposedly mature adult would go through a kid to get info.

I think they're concerned they're pedophiles rather than just run of the mill board snot.

http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=95715&postcount=207




Wow!!! Some of this flew over my head on first reading. Are you saying one of the Noyse "family" called you and was interrogating your daughter? Several times? Wow, they are even sleazier than I thought (and I thought they were pretty sleazy). Also, pretty fucking stupid to do that while a thread is still humming along where Noyse entered and started throwing around all sorts of threats of retaliation against stalkers and made a not-at-all thinly disguised threat to research and harass me. His threat to use this thread as evidence when he pursues "legal remedies", already pretty laughable, becomes off-the-edge looney when his own harassment activities are documented in the thread.

http://therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=95724&postcount=214

[Heartland]

Do you archive everything?

Yes, they do. Every single word, everywhere. It's their profession.

[The Kings Noyse]

I know I'm going to regret stepping into this. I can't be bothered to read the endless and seemingly irrelevant c/p's which Diva seems to think have some earth-stopping significance but that she can't even seem to be able to summarize coherently.I doubt that you ever regret any of the defamation you publish; for certainly such libel brings you much pleasure, and viciously deriding others from the comfort and safety of your home and workplace affords you a safe means of expressing your causeless rage, malice, and aggression, since doing so in what you fancy as your "real life" undoubtedly would land you in the slammer, or in some other likely predicament. This is why you must imagine a nonexistent barrier separating your online misconduct from real life consequences; as otherwise, you would have to accept responsibility for the pain you cause, or else give up something that is very dear to you: anonymously assaulting others. I can see your dilemma.

Since you cannot be "bothered" with actually reading the text you've presumed to critique, you are not qualified to comment on its content; and your opinion thereof is wholly irrelevant. Didn't you learn in college that pontification on subject matter you've neither read nor understood is the direct path to failure? Every Professor already has read the Cliff Notes, so when you regurgitate that tired pablum the best you'll receive is a D, or possibly a C- if you can manage to add something that is actually your own; but as you've said, you're not prepared "to bother" even with that.

Do you mean you sent a letter to her employer on the order of that babble that Cartman sent to that other lady? Using all the "big lawyer words" you could think of, with lots of whereases and inasmuchases and all that other mumbo jumbo? If you did that, all that indicates is two things: 1) you admit taking a board war into someone's real life, and 2) you're truly delusional if you think sending a couple pages of bluster and babble is "properly serving" anything. Your constant threats that "our lawyers will be contacting you" really are hysterical.Actually, the only delusional person in this conversation is you, for it is you that foolishly imagines a nonexistent distinction between "online life" and "real life." We see no distinction, and the law recognizes no meaningful distinction; therefore, there is no distinction, and your quixotic endeavor to make everyone else see what isn't there practically demonstrates your delusional state.

If you wish to pretend in wonderful, magical chimeras, such as your nonexistent "right" to anonymously libel others, and in some imaginary wall separating online life from real life, then you and your friends are free to carry on just like children at play - but only to a point: When your fantasies and daydreams become dark and destructive, and your poison begins to infect the real lives of real people, then it's time to power down your VR suits and prepare for a large dose of reality, such as by responding to a properly served Notice to cease and desist, or other legal process.

I don't know anything about this controversy, have no idea whether it has been discussed on other board, and don't want to know.Then why are you expressing an opinion concerning matters about which you "don't know anything," "don't want to know," and "have no idea" where to find the information you would need to form an intelligent opinion? Why are you involving yourself and taking sides when you admit that you don't know anything? You've answered that already as follows:But I've seen enough of Diva and her blob of a husband to know if they're in a fight with someone, I believe the other person.This is called irrational bias, and it is the mark of a fool. Wear it proudly!

[kim]

must've envisioned self as great big lawyer dud er sorry typo dude at some point but was laughed out of town and now posts jibberish on net...

[Passion]

must've envisioned self as great big lawyer dud er sorry typo dude at some point but was laughed out of town and now posts jibberish on net...


I'm with you, ramonaleona. You go, socrfan! :1chirol_c

This is all so damn childish. :rolleyes:

[JavaNoire]

Passion, posting my full name was childish(& malicious). Name calling is childish. Impugning others for their height, weight, color, religion, accent is childish(& malicious). Some of this I'm guilty of. I think everyone is.

Accusing someone of being a pedophile is beyond that. It can be devastating, personally & professionally. This is especially true for those working with children, whether professionally, or as volunteers.

Calling my underaged daughter & her terminally ill grandma, deceiving them with pretenses of friendship(LIES) to manipulate them into revealing personal information was waaay beyond that. Given all that has transpired, reporting it to the police was both justified & wise. (Actually, theDot called the police before I even knew it was theDivas in action)

Mailing that ugly pack of lies to my employer was beyond childish. It was (obviously)intended to inflict real damage cuz pore*Art is piqued that I criticized his THEFT of another's board as well as his vile reading & publishing of others' personal correspondence.

Passion, I dislike theDivas. (Can you guess why?) I have not, & will not, post their names, addresses, employers etc. Nor will I call/write them or their friends, family, employers. I have never interfered with their businesses OL or B&M. Nor will I. This is true of damned near everyone they accuse. (They accuse everyone that disagrees with em, which is not a crime, not even a misdemeanor, nor does it violate eBay TOS.)

They are truly something else. Childish, yes, but they're far beyond simply immature in what they do & say.

[Cyber Diva]

Passion,
Accusing someone of being a pedophile is beyond that. It can be devastating, personally & professionally. This is especially true for those working with children, whether professionally, or as volunteers.


"Accusing someone of being a pedophile is beyond that?" What does that mean?

Right here at TRS we witnessed JavaNoire publishing libel as if she was speaking on behalf of her local PD... (this was after she'd filed FALSE statements to her local PD, according to her Police Dept.)...THIS IS A BOLDFACE LIE.




I think they're concerned they're pedophiles rather than just run of the mill board snot.




Then this....
I'm meeting with security at the hospital, too. The fed govt is fucked in sooo many ways but it is ultra security conscious(esp now) & has zero tolerance for such shenanigans. It's going on record that ANY calls made to &/or about me are unwelcome & should be followed up on as such. Those that need to reach me have my cell#.

http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=95721&postcount=213



Then this to Texas Banjo....
Since you want every boooring detail, yes, theDot's Grandma answered the phone & was utterly confused as to why anyone would call there for me. It was never my #. I rented an apt from her from 01/89 thru 12/93.

[Passion]

Java,

I gathered some of that from skimming. I understand where you are coming from and I would likely do and feel the same.

You have my support. I thoroughly dislike them just from reading.

[Cyber Diva]

Since it's hard to keep up with the number of threads JavaNoire has started in the past few days, dedicated to libeling us all over The Ross Show...in order to keep up with it (what's been said before), the following comments are being duplicated onto this thread.....

http://www.therossshow.com/showthread.php?p=115943&posted=1#post115943

09-19-2006, 11:46 AM
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“When one claims that another has falsely accused them of something, it would be proper to show where that was done. You never do that though, do you Sandy?”
Why would anyone waste time dredging up theDivas spurious accusations against Sandy, Alan, Dee, Jenn & myself when soooo many have already seen/read the originals? This crap is KNOWN. I’d as soon google for proof the world isn’t really flat.

Diva makes many mistakes. She also tells many lies. The challenge is in discerning which it is, innate foolishness(laced with paranoia) or festering malice fueled by her malignant jealousy of those better liked & more respected(which is just about EVERONE)

Sandy, RobC/eBayPowers might have laughed at ‘em a few yrs back. I think by now they just moannnn as they quick*grab for the giant sized ExcedrinSuperDuperStrength.



09-19-2006, 12:18 PM
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“When one claims that another has falsely accused them of something, it would be proper to show where that was done. You never do that though, do you Sandy?”
Why would anyone waste time dredging up theDivas spurious accusations against Sandy, Alan, Dee, Jenn & myself when soooo many have already seen/read the originals? This crap is KNOWN.

Well, because you’ve been able to trick people into believe these things have happened, doesn’t make it factual.

You are a LIAR, and a filer of FALSE police reports, and documentation, and you have knowingly implicated others in your crime. It is a CRIME to file a FALSE police report, and to provide the police with false documentation.

You told the police LIES. Why have you NOT produced the fabricated e-mail communications you told the police you’d received? Why have you NOT told your associates, that you provided their false testimony (glowing letters of praise intended for your employer?), to the police as part of your fabricated charge that you’ve been the victim of online harassment generated from the eBay boards, and not the Car Wash. You failed to mention your prior involvement with the Car Wash.

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Diva makes many mistakes. She also tells many lies.

Actually, I made one mistake, one mistake only–and that was giving you the opportunity to move on, after your Car Wash days. Had I known what was in the Private forum, I wouldn’t have.

You are the one who tells many lies, JavaNoire. I am the one who happens to hold the truth about you, and about the Car Wash. That’s why you are out recruiting new dupes, so you and Sandy can cover up what you did at the Car Wash, on behalf of Polonsky. The Car Wash record speaks for itself. One has to have a strong stomach to wade through those records, however.




09-19-2006, 12:21 PM
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Besides, you’ve already done it, and it had NO consequences for me, because I didn’t do anything wrong. Do you get it yet?

You have worked to propagate the falsehood that the private forum of the Car Wash has been showcased. As you know, much of it was not published. You even have pathetic Polonsky propagating that for you, pretending that all the libel was properly contained at EZ board espresso-bar. It was not. Besides, EZ board has archived much of what went on at espresso-bar, prior to the crash. Don’t be in illusion about that.


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You are the one who tells many lies, JavaNoire. I am the one who happens to hold the truth about you, and about the Car Wash. That’s why you are out recruiting new dupes, so you and Sandy can cover up what you did at the Car Wash, on behalf of Polonsky. The Car Wash record speaks for itself. One has to have a strong stomach to wade through those records, however.

http://devala.com/news.html




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“You are a LIAR, and a filer of FALSE police reports, and documentation, and you have knowingly implicated others in your crime. It is a CRIME to file a FALSE police report, and to provide the police with false documentation.”

“You told the police LIES. Why have you NOT produced the fabricated e-mail communications you told the police you’d received? Why have you NOT told your associates, that you provided their false testimony (glowing letters of praise intended for your employer?), to the police as part of your fabricated charge that you’ve been the victim of online harassment generated from the eBay boards, and not the Car Wash. You failed to mention your prior involvement with the Car Wash.”
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Post the police reports…Simple enough. Do it…C’mon now…You’re fools & cowards but surely you’ve got SOMETHING to show for all of your huffery & puffery.

“Actually, I made one mistake, one mistake only–and that was giving you the opportunity to move on, after your Car Wash days. Had I known what was in the Private forum, I wouldn’t have.”
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Post what ya got…C’mon. DO IT. You archive EVERYTHING. So post away with something substantive. Ohhh I probably said I didn’t like Blyes. Now THAT will shock this community. I thought you&yours are a pair of lying swine. Another revelation of seismic proportions!

(you didn’t *give* me anything. MeinGott but you’re a deluded/delusional twat)

“That’s why you are out recruiting new dupes, so you and Sandy can cover up what you did at the Car Wash, on behalf of Polonsky.”

FWIW, I disliked theDivas before Alan knew they existed.

Their act started on JGW although they (typically)deceptively pretended to be just one person, not 2. *shrug*Given Diva’s shaky mental status that seemed possible.

Dupes, announce yourself & be quick about it. IF you are *in* my power . laundry needs laundering..Dishes need washing. Food s/b cookin. C’mon now. snap*snapGetToIt!



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09-19-2006, 01:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JavaNoire
Post the police reports…Simple enough. Do it…C’mon now…

So, you’re saying you want us to publish the letters of reference you’d received from your associates, the letters meant for your employer? Did you get their permission to provide those same letters to your local PD, when you filed your bogus report claiming to be a “victim” of online harassment generated from the eBay boards?

Was there a reason you failed to mention the Car Wash, or the closure of the Car Wash? Was there a reason you didn’t want to talk to the police about the things you posted in the private forum which had to do with an associate of yours brought up on charges for drug trafficing, in Iowa? Oh yeah, that’s right, that person was framed, too, huh?

[Heartland]

Mania is not pretty, Lorraine.

[JavaNoire]

"Mania is not pretty, Lorraine."

Nor are their lies, libel, vanity, malice & stupidity...All of which are hanging out in (super)abundance.

[Cyber Diva]

Nor are their lies, libel, vanity, malice & stupidity...All of which are hanging out in (super)abundance.[/color][/color]

Nor are your lies, libel, vanity, viciousness, Sandy, Hanna, Tekobari and javanoire. The Car Wash sisters.

[Heartland]

Actually, there are a few more "sisters" than you named. Yeah, we're very tight, through thick and thin. It's a shame you haven't managed to form the same sort of friendships online.

[Steamcleaner]

Cyber Diva wrote:
....dedicated to libeling us all over The Ross Show...

So when you make a post, it is uncovering the truth. When anyone else makes a post it is libel. That works.

:hazmat: :hazmat: :hazmat: :hazmat:

[Cyber Diva]

Cyber Diva wrote:


So when you make a post, it is uncovering the truth. When anyone else makes a post it is libel. That works.

:hazmat: :hazmat: :hazmat: :hazmat:


Do you need to review the dictionary.com for the meaning of libel?

Here you go... hope it truly helps you learn the difference between what we post and what JavaNoire, the Car Wash, and Sandy post:


1. Law.
a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.
–verb (used with object)
3. to publish a libel against.
4. to misrepresent damagingly.
5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.

[Heartland]

LOL, since you've posted my eBay selling ID here, along with malicious lies about my character in an attempt to defame me and damage my business, you have committed libel.

Crazy Diva just admitted that she committed libel. :1eek2:

[Steamcleaner]

....here you go... hope it truly helps you learn the difference between what we post and what JavaNoire, the Car Wash, and Sandy post:

That only defines libel, it doesn't determine what is libel, or isn't. If what they post is the truth, it cannot be libel, but you already knew that didn't you?

:1liar2:

[Cyber Diva]

Also steamcleaner, here is another example of libel posted by JavaNoire today. She used to post this sort of libel from her employers computer. They put a stop to it. Notice how she's only posting libel on her clock now?



Their act started on JGW although they (typically)deceptively pretended to be just one person, not 2. *shrug*Given Diva’s shaky mental status that seemed possible.

Both comments are lies posted by the libeler. We've recorded over 200 such libelous statements by the filer of false police reports, to date.

[Cyber Diva]

That only defines libel, it doesn't determine what is libel, or isn't. If what they post is the truth, it cannot be libel, but you already knew that didn't you?

:1liar2:


Yes i did, thank you. :) And, i can assure you, JavaNoire doesn't know me, what she posts about me is pure speculation and mostly libel. Sadly, this has been going on for over four years. She's out recruiting newbies every day, too, with the help of Sandy and her ilk.

[The Kings Noyse]

The "cease and desist order" that you so proudly link to is no more "properly served" (your original term, and the one I took issue with) than a baloney sandwich -- which is pretty much what the C&D order is. It has no standing -- it's just a bag of wind, written by a bag of wind.Where has Diva referred to any "cease and desist order"? I assume you can provide a quote and a link, but before you try, you first should consider the difference between the terms 'notice' and 'order,' because it is quite substantive. The laws of California, along with those of many other states, including Indiana for instance, require that such notice be served upon a defendant prior to bringing any legal action pursuant to the harassment a plaintiff seeks to halt. If you had known this before blurting, then perhaps you could have spared yourself the embarassment of speaking so ignorantly about what you clearly have little or no understanding. Most intelligent people would agree it is better to actually possess the knowledge presupposed by ones discourse rather than talking from ones ass, as you have. http://networkstalking.org/img/econs/giggle.gif

Here, let me type real slow, so you can follow. To be "properly served", a cease and desist order would have to be issued by a court and "served" by an officer of the court. THAT is what "properly served" means.In the case of a C&D order, that would be correct, dumbass; however, the only one that has made any reference to a C&D order so far is you.:1bonk1: I am "sorry to deflate your obvious sense of self-importance," but your boneheaded conflation of the terms 'order' and 'notice' exposes you as a pompous windbag; so there it is.

Clearly written with malicious intent (as was Cartman's), trying to get a chatboard antagonist in trouble on their job, but of no more legal weight than a fart.Only Cartman truly can know his own intent, but I have spoken to him about this on the telephone, and my opinion is that his intention was both honorable and sincere. As for my own intent, I bear no malice toward anyone, and the properly served Cease and Desist Notice was intended to do no more than to halt the libel, harassment, and stalking of a malignant, malicious troll, and to alert the troll's public employer concerning the troll's misuse of government time and resources to carry out her vindictive campaign of horrendous abuse. Nothing more. Why do you believe it is appropriate that this troll has been paid with taxpayer dollars for countless, idle hours spent bidding, chatting, and harassing her victims on the internet, when she was supposed to be doing her job? I can assure you there are provisions prohibiting such misconduct in this troll's employee manual, and perhaps there should be a thorough accounting of all the money this troll was improperly paid while wasting time on the government clock. Persons that commit welfare fraud are forced when caught to repay their ill-gotten gains, so why not this troll? There are other interests at stake here beyond those of simpleton employees who cannot see beyond their next paycheck, and if you ever become a self-reliant employer then perhaps one day you will understand this basic fact. Until then, you should defer to persons with more knowledge and with a better understanding than yours.

thanks for confirming the two points in my OP -- first, that you and your husband routinely take chatboard disputes into other peoples' real lives (and, indeed, seem to be very proud of doing this), and, second, that you indeed appear to be stupid enough to think that kind of huffing and puffing actually means something.If you truly believe it "means nothing" then what difference should it make what we say or do? Clearly you don't believe this, for you are greatly concerned by our program of stripping internet hooligans, like yourself, of their protective cloaks of anonymity. In my view, if you are an online miscreant then you forfeit any right to anonymity you may have had, and if you don't like it then sue me. Good luck on that score, though, because as of this year it is a violation of Federal law to anonymously libel and harass people online. If you continue to believe otherwise then you're just a dinosaur on the wrong side of the law, and your opinion is irrelevant.

The "libel" and "stalking" that you document is pretty funny.Unfortunately for you, the law doesn't share your sense of humor.

For people who dish it out pretty good (and have no hesitation at all about invading other peoples' privacy and their real lives), you and your husband seem to have incredibly thin skins.The only privacy we have invaded has been the true identities of a number of virulent internet hooligans who foolishly thought they could go on forever anonymously stalking and harassing us without consequence to themselves, and because of their abuse, their anonymity has been justifiably removed for the benefit of all.

I glanced at your web page, and most of the "attacks" and "stalking" and "libel" you complain about seems to be nothing more than people disagreeing with you or making nasty comments about you.You really do need to get into the habit of reading. I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion and disagreeing with me, and I have demonstrated this repeatedly right here on The Ross Show for years. I have only defrocked the most egregious offenders, most of whom have been involved in various acts of interfering in various aspects of my "real life," such as my businesses, and only then after having tolerated their online harassment for at least a year in most cases. You are free to name any so-called "victim," and I will be happy to demonstrate how my dealings with them have been warranted, justified, appropriate, and quite restrained given their level of malevolence and abuse.

This justifies sending your phony "cease and desist orders" to their employers?The acts justifying the need to send the notice have been set forth in the notice itself: http://networkstalking.org/wordpress/category/javanoire/

Oh, nice. Bring up that long dead issue. Gee, where'd that come from? The old TRB? Do you archive everything? Is there any charge so petty and nasty that you won't throw at people?This is a perfectly relevant and recent case that demonstrates your "situational" ethical "standards." You react with horror and consternation when the target of such false allegations happens to be you, but you stand right next to the lying accuser, awaiting your turn to throw a stone, when the victim of such vicious libel is someone you don't like. Two years is hardly enough time for you to already have forgotten how it feels to be falsely and maliciously accused of something so vile. Shame on you.

Knock, knock. Get it? My own RL. Nobody else's. Puzzlegoddess chose to make a threatening comment that had some potential to enter my RL, and I took precautionary steps. I didn't put up a windy website and publish her real name and phone number and an endless series of C/P's of irrelevant chatboard posts, which seems to be your preferred tactic. I just told the soccer people I was involved with at the time that "if you hear something, check with me first."If there's no connection with OL and RL, as you like to believe, then why was it necessary to notify anyone? On the other hand, how can you justify this troll's filing a false police report? Or doesn't that count as RL harassment in your bizarre wonderland?

My complaint about you, your pompous windbag of a husband, Chops, Cartman, and most of the other carrion feeders I see consuming each other in these endless chatboard (and RL) wars is that you take these idiotic chatboard fights into OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES...Sheesh. What a fucking moron.This is confusing. You imply here that OL is not really life, per se, for otherwise, "taking these idiotic chatboard fights into OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES" necessarily would include the unwanted involvement of chatters, like yourself, in matters that don't actually concern them. But that cannot be the case because you clearly believe your involvement here is both justified and necessary, which implies that OL is just another part of RL, contrary to your theory. Indeed, if online "life" is not actually a part of ones real life, then what else could it possibly be? I would argue that all conscious states and actions performed by a person form a part of his or her life, and so by deduction, any time spent chatting is always already a part of ones life, and that does seem reasonable. Therefore, by your logic, I now have a complaint against you for taking the side of a lying troll and using this feigned outrage over that fabulist's specious reports as a pretext to vent your own preexisting aggression and disturbing my life. We did not seek you out, nor did we engage you in any dialog, yet here you are with your contemptuous, belligerent, uninformed opinions. Evidently, you are incapable of discerning the glaring logical inconsistencies riddled throughout your endless diatribes, and that, I'm afraid, makes you the moron.

what you and your husband did to her (publishing her personal info and keeping it up on your silly-assed web site for months) was as sleazy a trick as I've ever witnessed in the OAI (and, believe me, that's saying something). You have to sink pretty low to be the lowest of the low.If puzzlegoddess wanted to remain an anonymous hooligan then she should have considered that Caller ID Block doesn't always work as expected before she picked up the telephone, dialed our business, and made a series of threatening, harassing calls. Her information was obtained by googling her telephone number, so the information already was "out there." I'll say it again: If you wish to remain anonymous, then do not misbehave; and if you misbehave, then your anonymity will be forfeit. Sorry if you disagree with that. :1kiss1:

[Cyber Diva]

".... malicious lies about my character in an attempt to defame me and damage my business, you have committed libel.:

Sandy, you spend most of your time online maliciously defaming the character of others, and you have also done that on eBay, too. You've made yourself famous, not I, go ahead, check google for chopsbuster CarWash and you'll find your libel against others, all over the net.

Show me the post wherein you believe I've damaged your business, or attempted to defame you. In other words, Sandy, prove it. This isn't a court of law, right Sandy? You want to take me to court over it, go right ahead, Sandy, you know where to find me. You're days of libeling others is coming to an end. I told you that before.

[Cyber Diva]

correction: you're = your days...

[biondobabe]

you just throw that in for sympathy, like pretending your daughter is a defenseless little girl who thinks some political survey phone call,






You're truly sick MM. You would think after accusing Wasa just before her "DEATH" that she was faking her illness and was LYING to garner sympathy... that you WOULD NOT make that mistake again.





BTW... Cit's not a reliable source for anything.

[bojangles]

someone ask passion or relic did one of them go and find a ebay id ..... and then publish that in the forums.... saying that is ME..... did not say they think that is me...... was incorrect....diva is that internet stalking???

[JavaNoire]

"You're truly sick MM. You would think after accusing Wasa just before her "DEATH" that she was faking her illness and was LYING to garner sympathy... that you WOULD NOT make that mistake again."

For shame, MM. I thought Wasa was a dear & trusted friend. HOW could you hold such an opinion of a FRIEND? How could you treat her so badly at what were probably her darkest hours & a time of great need?

[~~P'tuny]

I think Ross should send all of you to your rooms, and as an added punishment ....take away your Copy/Paste priviledges!
:1crazy:

[Passion]

I think Ross should send all of you to your rooms, and as an added punishment ....take away your Copy/Paste priviledges!
:1crazy:


:1rotflmao :1rotflmao

[Cyber Diva]

"You're truly sick MM. You would think after accusing Wasa just before her "DEATH" that she was faking her illness and was LYING to garner sympathy... that you WOULD NOT make that mistake again."

For shame, MM. I thought Wasa was a dear & trusted friend. HOW could you hold such an opinion of a FRIEND? How could you treat her so badly at what were probably her darkest hours & a time of great need?




Maybe she didn't say that, did you ever think of that? Nah, that's not convenient to your slamming here, here.

For those who have an interest, I spoke to Mouse (joyce) after Wasa passed away, Mouse had never said any such thing like that, and I not only communicated with Mouse via email, we spoke on the phone about the good times we had with Wasa, before the Car Wash people showed up and twisted her mind against many of us.

May she rest in peace. MOUSE, IGNORE THIS ONE, SWEETIE, IT'S NOT WORTH DAYS OF YOUR TIME....

:1hug1:

[biondobabe]

Maybe she didn't say that, did you ever think of that? Nah, that's not convenient to your slamming here, here.

For those who have an interest, I spoke to Mouse (joyce) after Wasa passed away, Mouse had never said any such thing like that, and I not only communicated with Mouse via email, we spoke on the phone about the good times we had with Wasa, before the Car Wash people showed up and twisted her mind against many of us.

May she rest in peace. MOUSE, IGNORE THIS ONE, SWEETIE, IT'S NOT WORTH DAYS OF YOUR TIME....

:1hug1:


big key here diva you fruitcake is "AFTER", you spoke to her after Wasa's death. She claimed wasa faked her illness for sympathy to get base out there where she was at. You were not privy to any of it. You know nothing about their falling out and why MM was so jealous of wasa. Or any of the horrible things she said about wasa and what wasa supposedly done to MM. NADA, ZILCH, ZERO! But one thing for sure is MM has now accused Java trying to garner sympathy JUST like she said Wasa had. She was 100% wrong in doing that and she is 100% wrong in telling Java the same thing.

Stick up for your new buddy DIVA, I could give a rat' ass if you two side with one another. Anyone who's opinion matters knows what took place. So now :stfu:. Go put together another C & D or something.

[Cyber Diva]

Lon, wasn't that a long time before wasa passed away? Be fair. didn't wasa and mouse move past that? What's being presented here, is unfair. Mouse made no such statements days prior to Wasa's passing, or after her passing. No one knew of her illness but Robb, and perhaps brandon and you.

So... let Wasa rest in peace. Find another reason to slam mouse, don't use wasa.

ciao baby!

[biondobabe]

Lon, wasn't that a long time before wasa passed away? Be fair. didn't wasa and mouse move past that? What's being presented here, is unfair. Mouse made no such statements days prior to Wasa's passing, or after her passing. No one knew of her illness but Robb, and perhaps brandon and you.

So... let Wasa rest in peace. Find another reason to slam mouse, don't use wasa.

ciao baby!



Wasa's illness was a private affair and there were many who knew. She said her nasties BEFORE wasa passed and not way back when. And why would she make such a statement AFTER wasa passed? I'm sure she hung her head in shame and hopefully felt like a piece of shit. :1apileoff

[mouthymouse]

big key here diva you fruitcake is "AFTER", you spoke to her after Wasa's death. She claimed wasa faked her illness for sympathy to get base out there where she was at. You were not privy to any of it. You know nothing about their falling out and why MM was so jealous of wasa. Or any of the horrible things she said about wasa and what wasa supposedly done to MM. NADA, ZILCH, ZERO! But one thing for sure is MM has now accused Java trying to garner sympathy JUST like she said Wasa had. She was 100% wrong in doing that and she is 100% wrong in telling Java the same thing.

Stick up for your new buddy DIVA, I could give a rat' ass if you two side with one another. Anyone who's opinion matters knows what took place. So now :stfu:. Go put together another C & D or something.

There is not one word of truth in this post. I think it's pretty scummy for you to try and drag wasa into this fight. You knew nothing about any of our personal relationships, (those of us who actually know/knew each other in real life), so don't pretend you do.

Here, have one of your favorite emotes........ :stfu:

[biondobabe]

There is not one word of truth in this post. I think it's pretty scummy for you to try and drag wasa into this fight. You knew nothing about any of our personal relationships, (those of us who actually know/knew each other in real life), so don't pretend you do.

Here, have one of your favorite emotes........ :stfu:




MM I had personal conversations with wasa. She told me all about your little trip you two had and when and why your relationship ended. I've also been at the end of your delusional outbursts when you've thought others done you wrong. You've been coddled from a few of us so as to not set you off. I know more than what you think. Too bad, so sad. :1kiss1: off :1seeyou:

[Cyber Diva]

Lon, are you proud of yourself? You don't know what was in Wasa's heart. She may have talked some gossip with you, what else is new? That means absolutely nothing but that you were bad association for her. Get over yourself.

:8heartbea

[mouthymouse]

Leave wasa alone.

[biondobabe]

Lon, are you proud of yourself? You don't know what was in Wasa's heart. She may have talked some gossip with you, what else is new? That means absolutely nothing but that you were bad association for her. Get over yourself.

:8heartbea



OK Diva. You know what was in her heart when she told me and I suppose you also know how hurt she was and that it was gossip that I forced her to say because I'm such a bad influence.

Wasa never bent or broke for anyone. Whatever she told me about anything came from her, her heart, with passion. All of your delusions won't change it.

[biondobabe]

Oh and for the record Diva when MM was allowed back into the privates wasa was ready to walk if she was going to be let back in. My words to her were to remember the good times they had shared and to ignore her from there on out, that she didn't have to interact with her anymore. If MM was to do something else I was sure it would have been her last banishment. I wouldn't call it my influence, wasa could make up her own mind. I just gave her some food for thought.

[biondobabe]

Has it occured to you MM that some of know the things you did to Wasa and will never forgive you for it? Wasa had more integrity in her little finger than you have in your entire body. I respected wasa immensly and truly enjoyed the hours speaking. She has been by far the most intelligent and courageous women I have ever met. She was honest, straight to the point and was far from being a passive agressive jackass such as yourself.

[The Kings Noyse]

I've always found mouse to be a lady. She's smart and opinionated without being rude or condescending, and she expresses her views without agression, profanity, or invective. She's nobody's fool, and she's extremely perceptive. She's also a first class investigator. Many here could learn from her fine example. I know I have.

[Cyber Diva]

Lon, who's elephant? They were falsely accused of being someone else by the Boardwalker gang? I never thought they had much insight, especially regarding that.

Also, did you know that Hanna & her sisters were the one who spread the vicious rumors about Wasa (too horrible to even describe here, today), and not MM? Don't see you up in arms about that history... oh well... check this out:


lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions) /02 7:11 PM (# 89 of 1440):


Elephant, with all due respect, you are starting to sound like a raving lunatic. Long tirades such as you just posted have a tendency to cause that opinion to be formed.

When you first came to this board, you had a question about spam e-mail. As is natural, MANY posters told you exactly how they felt about spam. NO ONE personally attacked you or called you names onthat thread, that I recall. Since you wanted to disregard everyone's opinion about the spam you wanted to send out, even after being told by many that THEY would consider it spam, you started a new thread saying everyone was attacking you. Everyone was DISAGREEING with you and DISAGREEING with
what you wanted to send unsolicited to other eBay members, and it seems that hurt your feelings. So you went on the ATTACK against everyone, because you weren't getting the type of discussion you wanted. Do you not know the difference between a disagreement and a personal attack?

The one post by Macy that you copied twice above does not name any names. Why do you think that post refers only to Chops? Is there some hidden text in that post that I can't see? Is it *gasp* possible
you are ASSuming something?

Which rule of eBay's did Chops disobey? You DID use the word disobey, right? I would like to know EXACTLY which rule he disobeyed.

I see a lot of twisting and turning in your lengthy rants, but very few cold, hard facts.

You came to this board and made a LOT of mistakes. Naturally, you are going to be viewed with suspicion because of those choices you made. Do you really think this happens to every newbie that comes to this board? It absolutely does not, as long as they are not here to stir up trouble and
deceive people. Some regulars have been on this board for a VERY long time, and have seen just about every deception possible. I'd rate yours a 4 on a 10 scale. We've seen far worse. Live and learn. Your future on this board is up to you alone.


"Your future on this board is up to you alone." Right, Sandy. LOL

:1chirol_c



lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/09/02 8:01 PM (# 238 of 1441)

The troll is trying to cozy up to anyone that gets disagreed with around here. Trying to find strength in numbers, obviously, but I think those posters are too smart to take the bait. Well, at
least some of them are.

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lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
02/21/03 3:11 PM (# 812 of 1445)

ROTFLMAO @ Legal!!! You are a legend in your own mind, aren't you? If you had any POWER whatsoever, you wouldn't have gone running to RJ a couple of months ago, BEGGING them to give you personal info about Chops so you could stalk and harrass him. Your threats are meaningless, your claims of victory are nothing more than pathetic chest-puffing, and you are a sad little clown. Spin my words any way you like, but what I wrote exactly is there for anyone to read and comprehend, if they're able.

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More nuggets later, where those came from.....so much libel... so little time..... :sm1167:

[Cyber Diva]

Who is Sandy speaking of in this offensive, libelous tone, Lon? Or don't you care that Sandy, Tekobari and Hanna were behind most of the problems that Wasa experienced from the Car Wash......Mouse had absolutely nothing to do with their hatred and wickedness.

"Hurry now, wawahaggywannabeyounger, report this one too! Chop chop, before too many people see it! That seems to be all you're good for on this board anymore, you sad, pathetic, burnout excuse for a female."



lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions) published on eBay in an "educational forum"

01/01/03 3:43 PM (# 313 of 1441)

Chops, I'm now being blamed for "outing" a shill accusation against you! LMAO!! *squeaky high voice*

"Oooooh, I NEVER would have made that accusation PUBLICLY!" Cowards and hypocrites hide behind other people.

If "someone" had even 1/10th of a brain, they'd be able to tell the difference between AM and PM. FYI, Chops posted his the NIGHT BEFORE I posted mine. I never SAW his before I posted, as it was long gone by the time I came to the board the next day. As usual, your accusations are not only
ignorant, but completely inaccurate! LOLOLOL!! Hmmmm, who's the IDIOT now, rodent?

Hurry now, wawahaggywannabeyounger, report this one too! Chop chop, before too many people see it! That seems to be all you're good for on this board anymore, you sad, pathetic, burnout excuse for a female. You enjoy name-calling so much, I thought you might enjoy this. Have a GREAT new year!!

[Cyber Diva]

Mouse Sandy says ...."There is a very old and wise saying... a man is judged by the company he keeps."

:1chirol_r


lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
01/18/03 4:17 PM (# 432 of 1441)

Spooky, I don't recall excluding anyone from anything. Those that I refuse to associate with are those that seem to thrive on bashing and attacking, name-calling, paranoia-driven ridiculous rumor, and petty back-stabbing.

But, in answer to this question:

If you are a member of a board that is run by someone who is, say, mean and immature, excluding people and hurting their feelings for no reason whatsoever, does that say that you are the same as that person?

No, it only says that by retaining your membership and association with those types of people, that you condone and even approve of the type of personality who would do such a thing, and that you prefer to spend your time with that person and his/her associates. Others view this as tacit approval of the bashing and plotting that goes on, especially when no effort is made to speak up and give a different opinion. Friends stand up for friends, no matter who they're talking to. If I saw a friend being bashed and called filthy and degrading names, I would speak up. But that's just me.

If that question was referring to a board to which YOU were not invited to be a member, then I can only surmise that the person who runs that board does not believe you would be an asset to it, and possibly believes that the board in question would be more peaceful without you. I have no knowledge or experience of such a person being mean and immature, though, nor hurting anyone's feelings on purpose.

Anyone that owns a board has a right to run it as they see fit, and to invite whomever they wish. I have no knowledge of any decision made to exclude you from anything, nor have I seen any reference to such a thing. Perhaps you should discuss it with the owner of the board you're referring to, if that is indeed what your question refers to.

There is a very old and wise saying... a man is judged by the company he keeps.

[Cyber Diva]

Mouse... check this advice out...Here's something JavaNoire does every single day she posts on the net, like you pointed out, "bringing up old grievances in public" (and lying through her teeth, to boot!).

Yet, on January 20, 2003, Sandy (lady_boardwalker) didn't approve. What happened to Sandy, why did Sandy become so much like JavaNoire, was she really good at one time, until she teamed up with Polonsky, as she's since claimed? :rolleyes:

It's a mystery.


lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
01/20/03 5:53 PM (# 490 of 1441)

I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not going to play into the hands of jealous, petty, childish people who thrive on adversity and hate. People like this come and go throughout our lives. They deserve our pity, because they have nothing more in their lives to motivate them, but they deserve nothing more than pity.

People can call me all the vicious, dirty names they can come up with. They can tell lies about me, start rumors about me, and backstab me. In the end, it makes NO difference whatsoever in my life. Those who know me, know what I'm all about, and that is what matters. Petty people who are obsessed with what others are saying and doing do not matter in my day, my week, or my life.

It is obvious that some do not feel welcome here. I believe that deep down they know the reasons for that, but they refuse to take a hard look at themselves and admit those reasons to themselves. Some have told so many lies that they and others have started believing those lies. Just like the little boys in the fanatical Middle Eastern mosques, if they hear something often enough, that is the absolute truth to them. They make no attempt to find out the real truth. That is their problem, not mine. I will not participate in attempts to tear friends apart and disrupt this board.

Each person has to decide for themselves what they want to allow into their lives. If anger, hate, obsession, revenge, and paranoia are more thrilling to you than tolerance, friendship, and acceptance, then that is what you will focus your life on; that is what will drive you, and will be the motivation behind your words and actions.

If, on the other hand, you choose tolerance, openness, friendliness, and joy in your life, that will be your driving force, and you can then take a stand and refuse to be a victim of the others, refuse to play the games they love to watch and gossip about, and refuse to let THEIR choices affect your
life.

We are not children. We do not HAVE to play these games. We are mature enough not to let the words of negative people affect us. We are adult enough to turn away from them, keep them out of our lives, and ignore their efforts to disrupt our lives.

The adult way of solving problems is to deal with it. Whether that means contacting a person to hash things out, or accepting that things cannot change and shutting that person out of our lives forever, the adult thing to do is to make that decision once and for all, and don't look back.

Playing silly games, lying, obsessing, threatening people, masquerading yourself to carry out attacks, bringing up old grievances in public, making snide personal remarks, and then whining that you're not getting what YOU think you deserve from other people is an emotionally unbalanced way for
an adult to act.

I will pity those people, but I will not allow them into my life. No more. They deserve only to be ignored by me, and by anyone who feels the same way I do. The more we play into these crazy head games, the longer this goes on. We have the power to stop it, here and now, by NEVER responding to those who seek to tear this board and many friendships apart. I think most of us have had enough of this nonsense, don't you?

[Cyber Diva]

Damn that's good! I wonder who authored it? :1clap5:

[Heartland]

Damn, that was good, if I do say so myself! :1clap5:

[Cyber Diva]

Damn, that was good, if I do say so myself! :1clap5:

:1bonk1:

Damn that's good! I wonder who authored it? :1clap5:

[biondobabe]

diva: Lon, who's elephant? They were falsely accused of being someone else by the Boardwalker gang? I never thought they had much insight, especially regarding that.

Also, did you know that Hanna & her sisters were the one who spread the vicious rumors about Wasa (too horrible to even describe here, today), and not MM? Don't see you up in arms about that history... oh well... check this out:


Diva get this thru your pea brain. MM was a close friend and what she did & said about wasa is disgusting. Whatever anyone else says from the other side of one's alliances and friendships is expected to be out there and can be crass @ times. No flippin' skin off my nose what others say about me who is not considered a friend or boardmate or what have you.

BUT if for example my friend & boardmate Age were to start saying shit behind my back for no fucking reason other than jealousy, I would be hurt. That's because I care for certain people; only they can hurt me. No one else. So if you wanna pull old shit out of your ass for it to have any bearing on me it better be pertinent for me to see your point.

[The Kings Noyse]

So if you wanna pull old shit out of your ass for it to have any bearing on me it better be pertinent for me to see your point.And who decides what's "pertinent?" You?

[Cyber Diva]

MM was a close friend and what she did & said about wasa is disgusting.

Lon, when JavaNoire made the following post, provided below, she'd made it look as though you were talking about current "shit" and you went along with it. It was not right for you to do that. End of story.

"You're truly sick MM. You would think after accusing Wasa just before her "DEATH" that she was faking her illness and was LYING to garner sympathy... that you WOULD NOT make that mistake again."

For shame, MM. I thought Wasa was a dear & trusted friend. HOW could you hold such an opinion of a FRIEND? How could you treat her so badly at what were probably her darkest hours & a time of great need?





Lon, MM explained that her and Wasa moved past all of those rumors and gossip, much of it came from the Car Wash anyway. It's not clear if whether of not, before Wasa past away, she was able to determine most of that on her own. FOD too was no FRIEND of Wasa's. He was always acting as a scout for Polonsky, that's well documented, even by Polonsky.

Now, please, let Wasa rest in peace.

:1hug1:

[biondobabe]

[QUOTE=Cyber Diva]
Lon, MM explained that her and Wasa moved past all of those rumors and gossip, much of it came from the Car Wash anyway. It's not clear if whether of not, before Wasa past away, she was able to determine most of that on her own.

Diva what transpired that has me disgusted to no end happened from the last illness that ultimately killed her. Totally reprehensible.

FOD too was no FRIEND of Wasa's. He was always acting as a scout for Polonsky, that's well documented, even by Polonsky.


Unfortunately she had a very soft spot for him. She would have been hurt had she known how he would have behaved after her death.

Now, please, let Wasa rest in peace.


Done

QUOTE]

[Heartland]

Also, did you know that Hanna & her sisters were the one who spread the vicious rumors about Wasa (too horrible to even describe here, today), and not MM? Don't see you up in arms about that history... oh well... check this out: Which vicious rumors would those be?

We didn't even know Wasa was sick, you lying loon. Once again, even though I know it's a wasted request, prove your accusation, or :stfu:

[Cyber Diva]

Which vicious rumors would those be?

We didn't even know Wasa was sick, you lying loon. Once again, even though I know it's a wasted request, prove your accusation, or :stfu:


You are a lying, libeler loon Sandy, and twisting around what was said, again. Of course you didn't know Wasa was ill, and about to leave her body, so, don't pretend that anyone was talking about those days.

Hanna and her sisters, which included you, spread around that wasa had changed her name, and you gave horrid reasons for it too.

Now, I am not going to make this thread about Wasa, I will make it about what you've done to libel countless innocent people, if you wish. There are over 200 examples of your libel just on the eBay boards, that doesn't count the Car Wash archives. Shall we get started?

Here is where you will find a record (incomplete ) of your libel against others. It is incomplete at this time because we are still receiving the archives about your involvement in libeling others. So far we have this:

http://networkstalking.org/wordpress/2006/08/21/heartland-aka-heartland-antiques-heartakak-lady-boardwalker/

:sm1132:

[Cyber Diva]

Yes, that's right, eBay's Ms. kelley only listens to Ms. sandy.... lol

http://thecarwashlive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2865


#2
10-13-2003, 08:25 PM
lady boardwalker

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Ugh, thanks for reminding us. Wasa's been whining about the pinks, especially Kelley, for so long now that maybe some have forgotten exactly WHY the pinks don't like Wasa, and WHY eBay doesn't take anything seriously from bunch.

Yet Wasa is the one deciding who is and who is not a "lady." Oh, the irony!



11-19-2003, 09:02 PM
lady boardwalker

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Both the RJ and ZD gangs (aren't they just one gang now?) are bemoaning the state of the T&S board, when it's THEIR new friends who are all over that board, ganging up on new posters, reveling in their mob mentality. Now they all whine that people are being treated badly on T&S! What a joke they are! They use a hodgepodge of trolling ID's to troll the T&S board and any poster who strikes their fancy, then as soon as a poster strikes back, they all rush in with their mob mentality to gang up on the poster!

It's hysterically funny to see RJ's newest puppet, Stumpy (permanently sanctioned) and Roy (NARU) discussing the future of the T&S board! Get a grip, guys! You're done there, so why are you so obsessed with it? Have you nothing else in your lives to worry about?

Stumpy's sooooo worried about people being treated rudely, when he was the WORST offender in that regard before his sanction. When repeatedly called on it, his response was that he would do as he liked, and if anyone didn't like it, too bad. Stumpy not only has a short attention span, but seems to have a problem with his memory, as well.

The RJ gang also ALL condoned the despicable "lettuce" thread, which was such a TREAT for the T&S board! Wasa claims on ZD that she "tried" to get people to be kinder and gentler, but seems to conveniently forget that SHE posted on and in support of that filthy thread, and later posted on RJ that she thought it was funny!

The only thing Wasa was upset about was that her Hippo ID was outed on that thread, showing everyone her true TROLL self. She must have an extremely low opinion of her own femininity if she thinks that thread was anything but woman-hating filth.

The ZD gang have ALL seen that thread, and did they dare make a peep about it? Nah! Maybe if they don't talk about it, it'll just go away. Too late! EVERYONE has seen that thread, and NO ONE has forgotten it. God forbid that one of them should take a STAND, and DENOUNCE a filthy piece of trash on the TRUST & SAFETY board, along with its author and supporters.

Oh yeah, great ethics these clowns have. They are absolutely the worst hypocrites I've ever seen in my entire life, every single one of them. They must have had very unpopular childhoods, to be acting like sixth-graders at this stage of their lives.

Remember the good old days, when ALL the regulars would stand together against trolls, no matter whether we disagreed on other topics? Now MOST of the regulars either ARE the trolls or are gleefully supporting the trolls, if they're not quietly looking the other way, in fear that the trolls will turn on THEM.

And NO Wasa, this is not stalking. Look it up in the dictionary if you're confused with the difference between responding with opinion and stalking. You may WISH you were being stalked, but that's not the same as BEING stalked. Your kept boy there knows all about stalking, so maybe he can define the difference for you.

Are you all STILL wondering why Kelley doesn't like you? It can't possibly be YOU, can it? No, it's so much easier to conjure up eBay pink conspiracies rather than take a hard look at your own words and actions.



11-21-2003, 10:01 AM
lady boardwalker

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Wasa and Roy, two of Base's most ardent supporters, both live in the South. They'll just play along, of course, because Base couldn't POSSIBLY be talking about them!

Why do they go along? Why does Bliss go along with the gay bashing; Mouthy, Wasa, and Irish go along with the woman-bashing, and the Southerners go along with the South-bashing? Why do ANY of them go along with the nasty racism? Is their self-esteem THAT low, that they must suck up to a 25-year-old narcissistic bigot who has never contributed one iota of productivity to society?

They'll say that it's all a joke, that he doesn't really mean it, that he's just trying to get a rise out of people, trying to be funny. He has so MANY good qualities, they'll say, and he's such a great friend! Uh.... yeah.... some considered Hitler, Jim Jones, Charlie Manson, and Tim McVeigh to be great friends, too.

That really pathetic thing is that they're afraid of him. They know if they stand for what's right and speak up about it, he'll turn on them like a hyena ... just like he did every other "friend" who ever dared to stand up to him. I pity them all.



http://thecarwashlive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2861



11-30-2003, 02:45 PM
tekobari

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Wasa is showing pre-senile dementia.
She posts here:

pub35.ezboard.com/fzerodi...61&stop=76

Quote:
Would those be the boards that are MBA that you can't get into? Or would those be the boards where I have posted to help others like ebayboard.com that drew a flurry of false accusations from ichi, nuke and their cohorts? Could you be talking about the boards where I kept some anorexics like tekobari from killing themselves?
Base replies:
Quote:
Sad, but true, and a lost cause BTW, what anorexic board? It is ME who is in the dark!
Just for the record, wasa had a board that I may have made a post of two on. (I know she had other boards, but I'm not sure of how many, and only viewed one of them.)

But I was never suicidal, nor even sad, over being that thin, although it's true I had a possible adult-onset eating disorder. I was thrilled to be an unhealthy size 0, although I had to wear a 2 since 0s are generally only found in petites unless you're in New York and have access to Seventh Avenue.

I don't know why she pulled that out of her ass. She may have confused me with base and a late night, marathon AIM she had with him. I'm not going to out him or post the details of what she said he said in her AIM with me.

I think there's been a reduction in the bad blood between base and me, and I don't want to **** that up. I know that it brings me grief from you guys, but I still have a soft spot for him--sometimes.

But if she's going to lie about shit, she deserves what she gets. If she or others want to start the shit up again, it would definitely mean they just love drama and have nothing better to do.

I'll just go with the assumption that she didn't remember correctly. I don't want a fight here, but an allegation of serious mental illness is something I had to correct.


#2
11-30-2003, 04:07 PM
lady boardwalker [Heartland]

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I wondered why she threw your name out there like that, Tek. Since you say there's been a reduction in bad blood between you and Base, you may very well have your answer as to her motives.

Since when is she qualified to counsel the mentally ill? I thought she "was" a banker?




11-30-2003, 04:54 PM
lady boardwalker

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It's not just the "nice" side that he needs to bring forward, AM. He would need to stop the psychopathic lying, bullying, and stalking; and he would need to start taking responsibility for his own words and actions. He would have to stop accusing others, in order to deflect guilt and attention from himself, of doing the very things he has done. He should stop saying ridiculous things like, "I'm always right" and "I know everything there is to know about anything or anyone in five seconds." He would definitely have to stop the horrible racist and bigoted rantings.

No, it's not a matter of being nice or not nice. It goes far, far deeper than that, and I seriously doubt he can change all the above traits without professional help. This is not a little boy throwing a tantrum every now and then, and being cute and funny the rest of the time -- this is a 25-year-old MAN who has used dangerous intimidation tactics against those who have chosen to "leave" him or disagree with him.

He has called child protection services on mothers who have chosen to disassociate from him. He has used middle-of-the-night telephone harrassment and drunken AIMs against his former friends. He has forged countless e-mails and AIMs, sometimes sending them to his own friends to prove he's being stalked. He has paid to get personal information on his perceived enemies, and posted that information publicly. He has admitted stealing large sums of money from employers. He has admitted to violence against others. He has accused his perceived enemies of doing every single thing that he has done to them.

It's not a case of, "Oh, he's only 25, so young, he's just acting out." He's not a little kid. There are millions of 20-somethings out there who would never even consider doing or saying the things he has. They are out there trying to conquer the world in their chosen fields, while he is trying to conquer an eBay discussion board that he can't even post to any longer.


#6
11-30-2003, 09:01 PM
tekobari

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Quote:
I read a post on RJ directed at you a few months back, and it showed an entirely different side of his nature.
I wish I'd seen that, AM. I rarely read RJ--maybe once every six weeks or so, because I have to sign out, then in again with another ID. I'm banned under this one. (I get the banned message.)

Basically, I'm lazy. Besides, I expect to see more harshness directed at me or some of his old friends, who remain my friends, as well as my new friends. I don't need to read that.


#7
11-30-2003, 10:26 PM
dollbaby928

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Quote:
where I kept some anorexics like tekobari from killing themselves?

that has got to be one of the sickest fucking things I have ever read on a board. Maybe it hits me wrong because I have been accused of being anorexic because I am so thin. For what ever reason she felt like making a sick statement like that was just wrong.


#8
12-01-2003, 02:08 AM
tekobari

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doll, I like the way you used "accused." It's like an accusation, the way they say "anorexic." As though you couldn't be naturally thin, you have to be starving yourself, running to the point of nausea, then sticking your toothbrush down your throat to puke a few times a day. (anorexia-bulemia)

Now, I never had any of those symptoms. I'm sure you eat when you're hungry. You're not starving yourself. You're just thin. My husband is thin. His mother was thin. His sister & brother have to work out a lot and watch what they eat. Their father did, too. It's genetic!

Wasa's need to say she saved someone from suicide is a need to feel omnipotent, needed and better than others. I didn't know that side of her. I do know she wants no one to be of value to base except her.

You're right, doll. That was a sick thing to post. Using anorexics to make yourself feel noble is sad. Saying that someone is suicidal but you saved him/her is grandiose. That's using the desperate.

You know how people say "It's all good?" I think I have to write that sometimes, "it's all bad."


I initially saw this as only a typical RJ lie. Now that I've seen these other posts, it's obvious it has nothing to do with RJ.


#13
12-03-2003, 10:10 AM
StormySummer

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Tek, I agree with Dollbaby. I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts. I am sorry that Wasa is attempting to start rumors about you. Sweetie, your friends know the truth, so don't give it another thought.



#14
12-03-2003, 03:42 PM
dollbaby928

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I absolutely loved working with wood. I never could do more than finish carpentry because of my size. I nearly got blown off a roof by a strong wind and decided I would stick to building mantles, custom trim and things of that sort. I don't work anymore but we bought a white elephant I am always tearing into. Right now our hallway is piled with plywood and two by fours. The hubster asked me to get my saw horses out of the middle of the dining room soon, I told him fine as soon as he gets the helicopter windshield out of my spare room.

I may not know you well Tek but I would still pick you to post with over that bunch. I don't know why wasa wants to say what she said but I would bet my bottom dollar you are ten times a better person than her.


There's so much libel archived over at the Car Wash, if anyone wants to read more about it visit their EZ board archives. There's too much of it to reproduce over here, and it's just filth and more lies anyway. Heartland however, authored most of her libel under her posting identity, Lady Boardwalker. The other posters kept their same user names.


:1apileoff

[Cyber Diva]

".....And NO Wasa, this is not stalking.

Look it up in the dictionary if you're confused with the difference between responding with opinion and stalking.

You may WISH you were being stalked, but that's not the same as BEING stalked.

Your kept boy there knows all about stalking, so maybe he can define the difference for you.

Are you all STILL wondering why Kelley doesn't like you? It can't possibly be YOU, can it? No, it's so much easier to conjure up eBay pink conspiracies rather than take a hard look at your own words and actions."

Wonder if Ms. Kelley didn't like them because more libelous letters like this were sent to her? Could be, huh Sandy? Maybe we'll find them all, through discovery, since you are incapable of telling the truth, huh? Or, maybe we have found them all?


Kelley, we need your help. On Saturday, two threads were started by the poster artrenditions.com. The first of these threads quickly turned into a trolling and bashing fest against chops*buster and it got quite long.

Legal-eaglet made several spurious allegations (again) of pornography and child pornography. Artrenditions.com posted a link to http://www.chopsbuster.com, a site that is NOT owned by Chops, but is a stalking site owned by Basestealer. Artrenditions.com also posted a link to an off-eBay board and accused everyone who disagreed with him of belonging to that "freepers" board. I had never seen that board, and I don't even know anyone who belongs to it.

Chops*buster was accused of posting with many ID's on that thread, when in fact the ID's belonged to many regular posters on T&S. Actually, there were so many false allegations made against Chops, that it made my head spin. I know for a fact that every one of them were blatant falsehoods. Another ID, your*hero, also participated in this bash fest. The posts on that thread actually made me sick to my stomach.

I know many people, including myself, were hitting the report button like crazy, but it took hours and hours before the thread was finally pulled. In the meantime, Artrenditions.com started this thread:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?forumID=107&threadID=171790

Please take a careful look at posts #7, 10, 14, 21, and 35. These posts make it clear that this thread was started in order to troll. These posters know that you are gone on the weekends, and that is when they come out to play. The thread sat on the second page all day Sunday, but Art bumped it back up first thing today with another of his "challenges."

I have reported the above posts, as have several others, but yet they remain. As you will notice, Chops has not even posted to that thread. I'm not sure why the moderators are ignoring such a blatant violation of board policy that is in post #7 on that thread, and continues with the other posts.

I have not appointed myself as Chops' protector, not by any means, but these threads were so far over the top that I feel I have to speak up. The disgusting, blatant lies about some of the regular posters on T&S (not just about Chops) were just too much.

I hope you can take care of the current thread, and possibly do something to prevent further outbreaks like this when you are away. It appears to me that all three of the ID's I've mentioned in this e-mail are on T&S for one purpose, and one purpose only, and that is to troll and to cause a board war (it is almost summer, after all).

Thanks for your assistance.

Sandy


:1barf1:

[Cyber Diva]

Sandy left the Car Wash with her "crew" and according to Sandy, most of them post to Steel Dragon now, but Sandy pretends she was always Wasa's well wisher....and, "Nothing could be farther from the truth," as will be shown.....

This was taken from the EZ board archives which debuted at the Car Wash live, hosted by GoDaddy, in May of 2006:

http://thecarwashlive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2865


12-09-2003, 09:09 PM
chopsbuster

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Quote:
I know that many of you won't agree, but wasa is a very intelligent woman with a big heart. Why she's involved with some of the shenanigans going on is beyond me. Same with roy. No one has a bigger heart and he's honest as the day is long. But he's as duped as a lot of us used to be.

---

Wasa is a miserable troll who is as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside. She is Basestealer's chief enabler and most trusted aide, the Cheney to his Bush Junior. She has posted ad nauseam about her yearnings for a "kinder, gentler" T&S, but the malevolent troll in her keeps emerging to **** up her cover with posts like this one, wherein she calls upon Binkiller's Lost Tribe of Morons to throw themselves like lemmings over the Cliff of Sanction:

pub35.ezboard.com/fzerodi...t=6&stop=6

As for Roy, he has demonstrated his "big heart" and "honesty" by promoting false accusations of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY against me on T&S and by acting as Larry's eager assistant in the harebrained "PSOTM" scheme to get me suspended from eBay.

He has declared his HATRED for me right here in this forum - yep, that's how bighearted he is. Right now he is abetting Wasa in her plan, hatched on RJ, to engineer the humiliation of Ichi on T&S by persuading the Morons to do RJ's dirty work.

pub35.ezboard.com/fzerodi...37&stop=37

So far they don't seem to have found any takers, presumably because a paltry few of Bin's Band of Halfwits remain free of sanction, so Wasa and Roy are discovering to their disappointment that there is far less enthusiasm for their latest TROLLING enterprise than they had expected.



http://thecarwashlive.com/forums/showpost.php?p=62853&postcount=22


12-10-2003, 11:31 AM
lady boardwalker

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Wasa's agenda came through loud and clear in that thread, and everyone has seen it. The really sad part is, Ichi has never done one damned thing to Wasa, and he's never even said anything negative about her. The kinder, gentler Wasa was just a ploy, of course, to make the Zeroes think she was a fine, upstanding person who really gave a shit about T&S. Nothing could be further from the truth.

She's "savoring the possibilities" of a new battle on T&S (which she won't participate in, of course), the possibility of new "unwritten rules" (which her gang continually whines about), and the embarrassment of a man who has never done anything to her, even to the point of running him off of the T&S board. That is PATHETIC behavior on Wasa's part. I would say she should be ashamed of herself, but considering her part in the infamous lettuce thread, I don't think the woman has any shame.

Even intelligent people can be rotten to the core.

[biondobabe]

Diva

You asked me to stop mentioning wasa, care to do the same?

[JavaNoire]

Lon, do you think Diva's actions would be a surprise to Wasa? Or MM's?

Diva can dodge & dart, flit hither & yon, but it changes nothing. Wasa despised her & was quite blunt about it. The last that I knew, Wasa felt betrayed by MM & was also finished with her brand of 'friendship'. I honestly doubt Wasa's feelings on that changed despite what others might tell themselves.

[Heartland]

Hanna and her sisters, which included you, spread around that wasa had changed her name, and you gave horrid reasons for it too. Liar. I did no such thing. Prove it.

[biondobabe]

Lon, do you think Diva's actions would be a surprise to Wasa? Or MM's?

Abosolutely not


Diva can dodge & dart, flit hither & yon, but it changes nothing. Wasa despised her & was quite blunt about it. The last that I knew, Wasa felt betrayed by MM & was also finished with her brand of 'friendship'. I honestly doubt Wasa's feelings on that changed despite what others might tell themselves.


Nope, her decision to write MM off and eternally despise Diva was set in stone.

[Cyber Diva]

oops wrong thread...but lookie how it fits in.... :teehee


10-17-2003, 12:57 PM
lady boardwalker

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Re: Zero Depleted
Bin says the board wars "found their way" to his new board?!?!?!

I guess that would be just a little more believable if everyone hadn't already seen that he and his friends (old and new) started thread after thread to slam people who weren't even posting there, and even make up lies about them; not to mention rolling out the red carpet for anyone they believed was on their side and would provide them with some "dirt" on people they don't like.

Yeah, Bin is soooooo innocent.

Amateurs.




:sm1167:

[Cyber Diva]

Some macabre souls are apparently confusing what Wasa thought, and said, to what egg-on-his face, said about what wasa thought.... This is a fine example of someone talking as if they know someone when they don't even know them at all....


eff-o-dee wrote:


She'a a rude insecure woman.

Tried playing the same crap with Wasa that she played with Java. Strong women scare her, imo.

Before she passed, she was going to teach Loopy a lesson but oBesestealer liked having Loopy around. One got lucky and the other didn't. OOPS!


Always plotting and scheming, right to the end, and framing Wasa, huh FOD?

[Cyber Diva]

Speaking of FOD, did JavaNoire who enjoys FOD so much, ever speak out against this horrid mess....



basestealer wrote:

“I see now that fucking Wasa over while she was alive was not good enough for you–you're hell bent on trampling all over her now that she's dead, too. Pretty slimy of you, but not a shock or a surprise at all. It's a good thing she didn't let you visit her when you had planned to hit her up for 300K to open an art gallery–she didn't deserve to even know about that little plot of yours.”


Basestealer then addresses Greg Egret, a close FOD associate:


“Egret, you are raging mad that I mentioned FOD's plot to take her for 300K, something he told you never to repeat. Don't pretend it's anything more than that. “

Rev. David Gregory Egret confirms underlying facts of basestealer's indictment:

“I never gave Wasa any such warning about FOD other than saying that he is insane - which was something she already understood…I told you FOD had wanted to ask wasa for a loan of $300K.”