Cit reverts to her CAR WASHING Ways

[rossshow]

Cit tells lots of lies at TCW



http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=2493

[kim]

hmmm - ross - i think there's a problem with that link...

[rossshow]

fixed. thanks


Java said

I am as coldly disgusted as I've been in ages. There are those I'd expect this from. Cit was never among them.

I knew she could be prickly, defensive, suspicious but I also considered her honorable, forthright, warm, caring & GOOD.

That she'd resort to backstabbing disappoints. I am doubly shocked that she'd turn so quickly.

Right now I'm just mad as hell, When that fades I suspect I'll be hurt. Unless Cit was never what I thought her to be, there's a very real loss here.

[Cyber Diva]

rossshow says.... "Cit tells lots of lies at TCW"



http://steeldragon.640k.net/login.php?redirect=viewtopic.php&t=1719&start=60


Cit

Metal Dragon

Joined: 29 Nov 2005

Re: For you Sandy

Devil*Wears*Prada wrote:

Quote:

YOU sure as hell, didn't have YEARS of reasons to say the shit, you did about ME — whom you didn't know a damn thing about!

And apparently still don't — if you think, your bashing me, is MY problem!

Link please. If you are from the dump and were a party to what went on there

regarding me and my friends.

Lump it.

——————–

Cit's disgusting bully response:

Look SLUT — You were the one running your trashy mouth about ME — find your own fucking link!

And YEA — I was from the dump, but I sure as fuck never wasted any time on any shit that concerned the likes of you — [hot babe] FACE!!!

[hot babe] = C–U–N–T = YOU!!!

Take YOUR PROBLEM and fuck yourself with it! You're nothing but a wannabe "me too" board whore!!!

Thanks Laura — That will make the "hang around the fort basher" Rikki's day! It's the noteriety she strives for in her endless pursuit of recognition and kudos, for whoring out her bashing services, like the wannabe "me too" board whore, she is.

Hey Slut — thought you were going to IGNORE me!

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http://www.thecarwashlive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165&page=54


09-17-2006, 11:35 PM

Cit
Junior Member

Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 66
Things that make ya go hmmm…
Quote:
Originally Posted by “RP at SD
As probably everyone knows, I can see who reads this board. The day after I published the letters, I saw the poor woman’s attorney reading that forum as well a law firm located in Oakland. Lol, even Ebay showed up. I think it’s reasonable to assume that the poor woman intends to pursue this further.
——————
“As probably everyone knows, I can see who reads this board”…Now THAT, is a gross understatement!!!

RP & Sandy not only see who reads SD…but RP logs and scrutinizes every one’s IP that visits that board! And I don’t mean just the sorta stuff or the way you (Chops) and Ross do on your boards. Nope — This is mostly targeted towards regular members and those who still believe in the false notion, that they’re considered “close” friends.

CONTROL & POWER — it’s the reason RP and Sandy both have always wanted to own their own boards. Well that and an overly zealous obsession with just being downright NOSEY — needing to gain access and know everything that’s going on - no matter how mundane - especially between members (and those same “close” friends).

IMO, it’s the reason for the proliferation of private forums on SD the past few months…well, even more so now that the Cheeze Whizzers have moved in and laid claim to their squatter’s rights. Like — One private forum to talk about the members in the other private forum, where they can gossip at ease about the members in the other three forums, whilst in the ultimate private forum, snickering behind the backs of the various different groups of members, unaware of yet another private forum…and on and on.

Sheesh — last month, I got so confused which private forum I was in and which members were or were not allowed, that I posted something to a member that was only a member of the other private forum and wasn’t to even know about the private forum that I had mistakenly posted in — Nor were the members in the forum I posted, to know about the private forum the other member was in. Sheesh again! It was beginning to be as confusing as trying to find your table at a large dinner party, after having a few too many drinks at the bar, then trying to find your way back to your table, while everyone else decided to get up to dance and you realize there are no place settings or names on the tables. Triple Sheesh!

Sorry — I digress, anyway the design of the board and it’s many “extra” user stalking features for the purpose in which they are being used is what I consider an abuse of power and violation of my privacy as a user of that board. Although, it’s the very reason RP has spent all the endless hours and painstaking effort tweaking and modifying all the “extra” add ons and “modifications” to that board’s software.

It’s definitely the purpose behind the required member registration (logging in) to access the different areas and forums of the board. The design in mind, seems to be tailored (no pun) with the heightened emphasis on tracking every forum, thread and post that’s read and by whom and for how long, as well as, logging all of the time just spent reading or with the pc window open to a certain area or forum of the board — again, especially as it relates to the regular members. Not just an occasional click on to the “who’s online” feature — No, it’s logging and recording for further analysis of every tiny bit of data that can be milked out of the board’s database. On occasion, the data logged has been up for discussion and speculation between certain members in the private forums.

I think since the boards most of us frequent migrated off ez-board, we have all been made aware of the CONTROL and access the owners, administrators/moderators, and yes — even the server hosts, as in the case of the Divas last year — have to just about every aspect of their members’ and visitors’ use while on these boards.

However, logging and scrutinizing the regular member’s movements and interactions on the boards, goes beyond the occasional mention of such and such was here, reading such and such thread or so and so has registered under this or than ID…I am talking about, obsessive scrutiny, such as RP pm’g to find out what I was doing looking at different member’s profile pages and even knowing (and stating) the length of time I’d done so.

Or what’s up or going on between myself and another member(s) exchaning pms on the board. IMO — Not too far of a stretch of the imagination to think, the answer was known before even asking, to the extent of selective reading/monitoring of pms between certain members. (Maybe somebody will ask RP after reading my post )

I know, I logged out for good after RP’s last pm interrogation a couple of weeks ago and have only used the board since to respond to a pm from RP Friday, telling me I’d been removed from all the private forums (the ones I hadn’t even logged in to read what had been posted over the past two weeks).
=====

P.S. For RP — Yea, I got that quote of yours by visiting SD with a proxy this time! So even though I know you have banned just about every proxy that’s been used at SD — ya missed (at least) one!


Posted by Cit: Sat Jul 22, 2006

[rossshow]

also being covered at TAW

http://www.theauctionwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3725

Cit says RP reads private messages, and shares them with Sandy

[rossshow]

BUT Base SAID:

Well, hold on a second... (cit has played the fence since her very first day on the boards)

[Cyber Diva]

also being covered at TAW

http://www.theauctionwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3725

"Cit says RP reads private messages, and shares them with Sandy"


Cit's been Sandy's loyal friend for years. And... she (Cit) has been allowed to play double agent (fence sitting?) when it was convenient for Sandy, who always wanted the inside scoop on TCW. Now, they're at odds? Hmmmm. :1kool1-ai

[Cyber Diva]

Rather than address Cit's comments about what she claims RP and Sandy did, Sandy's gotta run.... lol But before she goes, she makes it all about someone else, who's not even involved in today's saga....as if they were the reason Cit's talking. lol

Wow! Cit must have some DIRT on Sandy girl, for Sandy to run away from Cit and avoid the confrontation. Who's gonna win? My bet is on Cit, she rarely shows her whole hand. HaHaHa!

Also, in the past, everyone of the members at Steel Dragon said Cit was totally honest and ethical. How quickly they change their tune when one of their own, rats them out like this! HaHaHa. :1chirol_c

http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=2493&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20


Heartland


Dragon Heart
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Badges: 10

Cit tells lots of lies at TCW

I've got to run out for awhile, but while I'm gone, would someone wrestle Cit's body away from Diva and give it back to Cit, please? It appears that Cit has been possessed by the spirit of crazy Diva.

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:13 am


:1JerryJer

[Heartland]

Crazy, crazy witch Lorraine. :2headspin :stfu:

[Cyber Diva]

Crazy, crazy witch Lorraine. :2headspin :stfu:

Liar, libeler, crazy Sandy. Tell your audience what you and RP did. Cit's not lying, is she? You are the liar, everyone knows but they are just tired of repeating themselves. You've been getting away with your lying for years. But... looks like Cit won this one! HaHaHa!

:1kool1-ai

[la gazza ladra]

But... looks like Cit won this one! HaHaHa!




screeching sour grapes from within the dump is winning? when your fallback position is to retreat back to the dump, it isn't even a phyrric victory, it's total defeat. back to the claiming races........glue factory.


:sm1194: <---clue phone's ringing

[Cyber Diva]

She's always been from the dump, there's no denying it. Cit's never denied it.

She also gathered confidential info from Steel Dragon before, and provided it to the dump, but it was authorized by Sandy.

This time she's turned on Sandy, and Sandy's quiet on the subject because Sandy knows Cit can talk. Now, that's funny. Need the clue phone back? lol
:sm1194:

[la gazza ladra]

She's always been from the dump, there's no denying it. Cit's never denied it.

She also gathered confidential info from Steel Dragon before, and provided it to the dump, but it was authorized by Sandy.

This time she's turned on Sandy, and Sandy's quiet on the subject because Sandy knows Cit can talk. Now, that's funny. Need the clue phone back? lol
:sm1194:


so that would make cit, what?.........a lying, lurking snitch? not sure I get your delusional ramblings, but that part makes sense.

[Cyber Diva]

Yeah you got it right. RP's probably an innocent dupe in all of this, too. Sandy had been using Cit all along, to funnel selected info bac to the dump. Guess Cit got tired of being used. :1bonk1:

[Cyber Diva]

correction:

bac = back :2gamecock

[Cyber Diva]

Sandy has spoken.....Posted by Heartland: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:57 pm

http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=2493&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

Heartland


Dragon Heart
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Badges: 10
Cit tells lots of lies at TCW

I'm not even going to attempt to respond to all of Cit's lies in just one post. Frankly, she's not worth the work. I'll start with this:

Quote:
RP & Sandy not only see who reads SD


The TRUTH is that I cannot see any lurkers on this board. I have mod status in one forum, and mods cannot see the control panel at all. There are two other mods on this board besides me, and one of them (not I) has mod status over the entire board.

Quote:
…but RP logs and scrutinizes every one’s IP that visits that board! And I don’t mean just the sorta stuff or the way you (Chops) and Ross do on your boards. Nope — This is mostly targeted towards regular members and those who still believe in the false notion, that they’re considered “close” friends.


The TRUTH is that Cit is talking out her ass, because I have seen no evidence of RP doing any such thing. RP watched IP numbers when the Gate was opened to guest posting, which is understandable and anything a good admin would be doing while the board is being visited by unfriendlies.

RP has NEVER revealed a poster or lurker IP number to me. RP takes privacy issues very seriously, and this is well-known by the members here.

How does Cit know what Chops and Ross do behind the scenes on their boards? Has she forgotten all of Chops' posts in which he made a point to "out" unfriendlies when they were reading his board? Apparently she has a very selective memory, depending on whom she's angry with at the time.

Despite Cit's attempts to frighten off the "regular members" here, she is incorrect. There are reasons why Cit was being watched by RP on this board, reasons she's well aware of. I'll get to those later.

Quote:
CONTROL & POWER — it’s the reason RP and Sandy both have always wanted to own their own boards.


Oh yes, I wanted my own board so badly that I wouldn't allow any fighting on it and ended up giving it up because I didn't want the work it involved. Yeah, big control freak, I am.

Quote:
Well that and an overly zealous obsession with just being downright NOSEY — needing to gain access and know everything that’s going on - no matter how mundane - especially between members (and those same “close” friends).


Talk about a classic case of projection. Who is so "NOSEY" that she immediately joins every single board that pops up anywhere in the OAI, whether or not she ever participates on those boards?

Who is so "NOSEY" that she spends ALL of her time running from board to board to read about the fighting and gossip, and doesn't have any time to actually participate on any of those boards, unless it's to fight and gossip?

Who spent her time on this board either fighting with members in public, or hiding out gossiping in the private forums, while RP and I were enjoying the rest of the board and participating in ALL of the forums?

Who was so afraid that someone from the outside might get the wrong impression that she actually liked it here, that she went to great pains to keep her distance from everyone in public, making sure to only post publicly when it was to express her dissatisfaction with other members?

Who then had the nerve to post that she was a "core" member of this board, in order to make certain other members feel less than welcome here? The "core" of this board has never been discussed anywhere, and many new members have been welcomed since the board was opened. Cit bestowed that smarmy little honor on herself. Why she would think she deserved it is beyond me.

Who admits to being highly paranoid and is constantly looking for hidden meanings and developing conspiracy theories based on flawed reasoning and the need to figure out every little nuance happening anywhere, even if it happens to be meaningless?

Who was convinced for months that RenegadePoster was actually Chopsbuster, and tried to convince others of the same -- even those who weren't even reading the board on which RP first posted and had no interest in what was being said there? (I wonder if Cit ever informed Chops that she paid him such a high compliment. )

Who is so furious and bitter because she failed in her attempt to control RP and run off several members of this board, that she decided to run to this board's biggest adversary, the board of lies, and blab any crazy untruth that popped into her paranoid mind?

More later...



RP has posted, too...

More info...

http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=2493&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
RenegadePoster

[Renegade Poster]

Diva, do you honestly believe what you have posted here? It's crazy talk! Lol.

[Heartland]

She also gathered confidential info from Steel Dragon before, and provided it to the dump, but it was authorized by Sandy.

Oh yes, I just live for providing confidential info to the dump. :sm1194:

Do you ever stop for two seconds to listen to yourself, you poor nut?

[Cyber Diva]

You do Sandy, you used Cit for years with your secret society crap. She's not the paranoid one, you've been. Always wanting to know, where something's going... can't just go with the flow, huh Sandy, gotta be in control.

You just posted a bunch of puff about the Cit story. Absolutely nothing there but hot air and lies. Cit never said RP was chops, you pulled that out of your tinfoil hat, Sandy the libeler.
:1kool1-ai

[Cyber Diva]

Diva, do you honestly believe what you have posted here? It's crazy talk! Lol.

it's fun though, huh RP? RP chops. LOL

:1chirol_c

[Heartland]

Is Cit your friend again now, Lorraine? Has she been confiding in you? Has she forgiven you for the crazy attacks and accusations you made against her at the dump? :rolleyes:

:1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r :1chirol_r

Why don't you just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about? Everyone else already knows it, don't you think it's high time you figured out that you are not in anyone's loop?

Frankly, I wish you two would make up, since you so obviously are on the same wavelength where truth and accuracy are concerned. Even fruitloops need a friend.

[Cyber Diva]

Is Cit your friend again now, Lorraine?

I wondered how long it would take your dumb ass to figure it out. Why of course she is. We've been working together to exposed all of you libelers and liars for years. It's been sort of "covert" though. lol

:1clap5:

Has she forgiven you for the crazy attacks and accusations you made against her at the dump?

Didn't make any accusations at the dumpster; in fact, told the truth and even provided the proof, naturally. Go here for the story:

www.networkstalking.org

Why don't you just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about?

Why should I? You never do? :1apileoff

Frankly, I wish you two would make up, since you so obviously are on the same wavelength where truth and accuracy are concerned.

Coming from the QUEEN of MEAN and libeling, now, that really hurts. lol

At least Cit woke up to your farce of a truth teller sham. Gotta hand it to her. :1chirol_r

[la gazza ladra]

the entire General Mills product line.......got yer froot loops and yer cocoapuffs and noyse is the cheerios........


spoon?

[Cyber Diva]

Don't forget your kool-aid :1kool1-ai magpie; you're certainly going to need it, if you continue to believe all of Sandy's Car Wash crap. :1apileoff

[la gazza ladra]

we don't have carwash crap, seems you do though, what's all that about devala and ugly opals and stuff??? and nuke and fraud and money outstanding??? and 'stealing boards' and all of the rest of the insane stuff you and chopsbutter and saffron boy and noisy were into? huh?

[Cyber Diva]

It's all right here, babe! Check it out:

www.networkstalking.org

[RunFaYaLife]

Why don't you get a little more specific Diva?
Links like that bore me.

You and the old king still NLARU?
Sour grapes?


:1crazy:

[RunFaYaLife]

FYI Diva.....even Choppo :2gamecock has stated "he "never has understood CIT".

No one does.

I think she is another cyber nutjob....friends of a feather and all that you know.
Since you two all covert and shit.

[la gazza ladra]

Mr." I Know Everything" doesn't know what a claiming race is.


google is your friend butterchopper.......next time you can look something up if you don't know what it means and impress all your 'constituents' :2headspin

[agentorange]

if you continue to believe all of Sandy's Car Wash crap.
But, Sandy left the carwash well over a year ago...
You used to post to the carwash as a beloved member, after you were their number one target, and then became their number one target again...

[rossshow]

You used to post to the carwash as a beloved member, after you were their number one target, and then became their number one target again...

Yep First target, then beloved, then target. That's about right.

[Heartland]

I left there two years ago, Sep 2004. Seems like forever. :D

[3Parrots]

I don't think Cit. will come back to SD. my opinion...I don't have any inside info.

[Cyber Diva]

But, Sandy left the carwash well over a year ago...
You used to post to the carwash as a beloved member, after you were their number one target, and then became their number one target again...

Brandon, was I really posting there as a beloved member, or was i sort of "covert?" It's like that memorable quote from
The Blues Brothers, was "on a mission from God." lol

[Cyber Diva]

I left there two years ago, Sep 2004. Seems like forever. :D


Yeah and some of the worst libel, and rumor monger garbage took place while you were a full fledged member. Wanta see the record? Nah, didn't think so.

[biondobabe]

screeching sour grapes from within the dump is winning? when your fallback position is to retreat back to the dump, it isn't even a phyrric victory, it's total defeat. back to the claiming races........glue factory.


:sm1194: <---clue phone's ringing




:1rotflmao

[Heartland]

Yes Crazy Diva, I DO want to see the record, as you well know. I've been calling your bluff for years now, but you never deliver.

We've been through this in the other forum, so it's a tad disingenous for you to try the same thing in this forum.

:2slampan:

[Heartland]

This thread is about Cit's betrayal of an entire board, not about Crazy Diva and her conspiracy theories. She has several of her own threads in the Bad Things (how appropriate) forum.

Ross, some of us would really appreciate it if you didn't let Diva derail this thread in her usual manner. Thanks.

[Cyber Diva]

Yes Diva, I DO want to see the record, as you well know. I've been calling your bluff for years now, but you never deliver.

Calling my bluff? For years? Well, can we start with EZ board 2003? Private fora?

You know, where Hanna shared private email communications about eBay businesses. Is Hanna okay with that too? We can go there, first, just give the word, for your entire crew.

[kim]

i'll publish all the info i swear i will just give me a quarter century of your time...

or two or three...

- before i die yep i swear i will i'll go to my grave yak yak yacking...

[Cyber Diva]

This thread is about Cit's betrayal of an entire board, not about Diva and her conspiracy theories. She has several of her own threads in the Bad Things (how appropriate) forum.

I have my own threads? You mean the libelous, harassment threads started by your crew member, JavaNoire? Remember you published that you had a "crew?"

Every thread that JavaNoire posts to on the internet generally degrades into her obsessions.

And, Sandy, when are you going to provide proof that you were falsely accused of credit card fraud? We're waiting, Sandy. We want proof with screen shots, not with the testi-lying by you and your ilk.

[Heartland]

If you want Hanna's permission now, then ask her. If you can.

You said you had records proving your accusations against ME, so post them, you lunatic. You don't need anyone else's permission to do that. This makes at least a dozen I've called your bluff, yet you have produced nothing but your own screeches and hoots.

And stop derailing this thread.

[Heartland]

Typo: this makes at least a dozen times

We're waiting, Sandy. We want proof with screen shots, not with the testi-lying by you and your ilk. Who is "we" and whatever gave you the idea that I give a fuck what you want? :rolleyes:

I've been waiting a lot longer (YEARS!) for you to prove even one of the wild and crazy accusations you've made against me. So I guess it only fair that I make you wait years, too.

[Cyber Diva]

whatever gave you the idea that I give a fuck what you want? :rolleyes:

I've been waiting a lot longer (YEARS!) for you to prove even one of the wild and crazy accusations you've made against me. So I guess it only fair that I make you wait years, too.

Sandy, you posted libelous smut at EZ board car wash, falsely accusing everyone of having "falsely" accused you of something. It is your JOB to prove it. Prove that any "wild and crazy accusations" were ever made against you. You can't because they weren't. Me on the otherhand, can prove you have made libelous statements against others. It's that simple Sandy.

Now, I have to busy myself with other tasks and frankly, you are beginning to bore me. I will check back, however, and see if you've proved that you were false accused.

Also, get back to me on the rest of your crew, how do they feel about having their dirty laundry aired. Are they like you, and don't give a hoot.

We can start with Hanna and Tekobari, first and then we'll get around to you and javanoire. How about it, Sandy, do you speak for both of them? I am tired of waiting Sandy, run along now and get their permission.

I should warn you, however, we have received the archives from EZ board.

Now, there was a truck load of evidence.

[Cyber Diva]

I've been waiting a lot longer (YEARS!) for you to prove even one of the wild and crazy accusations you've made against me.

Sandy, do you recall posting to thread after thread at The Car Wash, and other private EZ boards, dedicated to "wild and crazy allegations" and speculations about the business of others?

You're evidently twisting it back around because you are guilty of wrong-doing and also because you are angry that you've been exposed. Most of the records of your wrong-doing have already been featured over at The Car Wash Live, courtesy of Polonsky. So, Sandy, anyone who matters, who is interested in the story, have already backed up the records. That includes LE, Sandy. That also included eBay. Figure it out.

By the way, the wheel chair allegation wasn't made by me, if that's what you're getting at. I never believed you would lie about needing a wheel chair, though and it was confirmed by someone at the Car Wash, who'd apparently believed the story, too. Did I apologize for believing it? Oh, sorry Sandy. I guess I should have. lol

Your Car Wash friends leaked the story for you Sandy, so that you'd get sympathy, that's the way I heard it. Something to do with a car crash, and insurance claims, things which were not discussed much in public.

Oh well, get back to me, Sandy, when you get the proof if there was something else you were falsely accused of besides the wheel chair, insurance scam story. Which, by the way, wasn't authored by me either, or repeated, for that matter. Rather than guess what it is that you were falsely accused of, just get the proof sandy. Make it easier on yourself so we don't have to discuss all your dirty laundry, in public.

:2slampan:

[Heartland]

LOL!!! What in God's name are you going on about now? A car crash? You've got your harassment victims mixed up, because I have never been injured in a car crash or any other crash. I also have never been in a wheelchair, and have never stated anywhere that I used a wheelchair. Ferchrissakes, I was dancing Sunday at Irish Fest, and I do all my own yardwork, which I've posted about every summer for six years! Now you're accusing me of an insurance scam? WTF is wrong with you people?

If you're in trouble with eBay and some sellers you supposedly interfered with, that has nothing to do with me. Handle it, and stop taking it out on people who aren't even involved!

You have completely lost your grip on reality this time. Now you want to run away, after threatening to post "records" and being told a dozen times by me to post them. You know you have nothing, because there IS nothing. You can name every former member of the Carwash, and it won't make a bit of difference, because you still have nothing.

For you to insinuate that law enforcement is interested in me for any reason is so fucking dishonest that I hope eBay and all of those sellers you messed with kick your asses all over the courts and take you for everything. You both deserve it -- in spades! The thought of you losing everything because you finally fucked with the wrong people would make my day. Maybe I'll look into this some more. There may be a legal fund to which I can contribute. Aren't you happy now with what you've accomplished here today?

[Cyber Diva]

A car crash? You've got your harassment victims mixed up, because I have never been injured in a car crash or any other crash.

Sandy, you're not a victim. The car crash and wheel chair stories about you were circulated by Car Wash members. You also said you didn't want anyone to find out about the car accident, but that others did find out and that concerned you, for some reason. Was it about an insurance scam? I wouldn't know, and I was not the one who'd suggested it, I wanted you to know that. I also wanted you to know that you really shouldn't attempt to blame others for statements made by Car Wash members, or for rumors started by Car Wash members, a long, long time ago. None of what was said by Car Wash members were "wild and crazy allegations" made by anyone I knew. It all came from the Car Wash, Sandy. All of it.

I also have never been in a wheelchair, and have never stated anywhere that I used a wheelchair.
Good. I said I believed the story because it was circulated and talked about on RJ, but then I said that I never repeated the story; the "wild and crazy" story had nothing to do with me, other than what I read about it. End of story.

I also have never been in a wheelchair, and have never stated anywhere that I used a wheelchair.
You say that now Sandy, in such a way as if you've never heard or even read about the wheel chair story. But, we know that's not true, huh Sandy, because you even posted about it, and Lady Jane also wrote to me about it at the time you were posting about it on RJ. She also wrote some things to me, about you. I am sure she told you about it, perhaps you can check with her.

Now you're accusing me of an insurance scam?

Can't you read properly, or do you deliberately spin to gather momentum and new recruits?

:1bonk1:


If you're in trouble with eBay and some sellers you supposedly interfered with, that has nothing to do with me.

Nice try at starting another rumor Sandy. What a perfect example of what it is you do, and exactly how reckless, shameless and careless you are and have been in the past. (And, if you happen to be a serial killer, than that has nothing to do with us, either, right? :rolleyes: ).

You have completely lost your grip on reality this time.

You've used that line on so many others, Sandy, you're becoming tedious. You really need some new material. :1kool1-ai


Now you want to run away, after threatening to post "records" and being told a dozen times by me to post them.

You're twisting again, Sandy. You're shameless and a bore. I can't stay here forever Sandy, waiting for you to tell the truth. Everyone who really knows you Sandy, knows that hell would freeze over first. You will never tell the truth. I doubt you would even tell the truth if ordered to do so by a court.

As far as posting the records go... stay tuned then. Each and every libelous statement you've ever published about others, will be republished at :

www.networkstalking.org

Check back soon!!

For you to insinuate that law enforcement is interested in me..

Got that wrong too, Sandy. They are interested in the Car Wash, as everyone has been busy filing their little police reports, including your crew..... However, that's not to say they aren't interested in you. Who knows for sure what will turn up with all those victims out there.

For you to insinuate that law enforcement is interested in me for any reason is so fucking dishonest that I hope eBay and all of those sellers you messed with kick your asses all over the courts and take you for everything. You both deserve it -- in spades! The thought of you losing everything because you finally fucked with the wrong people would make my day. Maybe I'll look into this some more. There may be a legal fund to which I can contribute. Aren't you happy now with what you've accomplished here today?

I am delighted. You blew your cover today, Sandy. Your mask is now off.

:1chirol_c :1kiss1:

[The Kings Noyse]

For you to insinuate that law enforcement is interested in me for any reason is so fucking dishonest that I hope eBay and all of those sellers you messed with kick your asses all over the courts and take you for everything. You both deserve it -- in spades! The thought of you losing everything because you finally fucked with the wrong people would make my day. Maybe I'll look into this some more. There may be a legal fund to which I can contribute. Aren't you happy now with what you've accomplished here today?Bring it on, big girl! There's nothing I would enjoy more than sitting across a conference table from you during your deposition, watching as you bob and weave, wiggle, and squirm, impossibly struggling as your pressing fear of committing perjury collides with your ineluctable instinct to lie. :1eek2:

By the way: Which sellers? You never say, which can only be because you just make this shit up as you go along. Besides, everyone knows that eBay keeps its sellers poor and hungry, allowing them only barely enough money to get by after paying all those FEES; so the chances of any eBay sellers getting it together and actually suing me are NIL. Of course, that's assuming any would have a cause of action against me, and none do. :1chirol_c

I just have one question: When we book your airfare to California for this "big trial," should we reserve two coach seats or three? :2headspin

[The Kings Noyse]

The car crash and wheel chair stories about you were circulated by Car Wash members. You also said you didn't want anyone to find out about the car accident, but that others did find out and that concerned you, for some reason. Was it about an insurance scam?Yes Diva, I've seen quite a few references to a number of different scams in the Carwash I private forums. In fact, I'd say there's enough dirty laundy in there to stink up the entire State of Indiana. And no, the entire content has never been fully revealed, not even close.

[Cyber Diva]

Here's a preview...



11-11-2003
audrevan

It just galls me to see this CA state employee fucking around in a chatroom at work all day...

greatbiscotti

And the state wonders why they are so in debt? If she does it....how many others do??

Outta drop 'ole Arnie an email.... Maybe he will "terminate" her?!

lady boardwalker

Audrevan, since it's your tax dollars being wasted, why don't you report her? Or get a friend to do it. I wouldn't hesitate to report the nasty, lying witch if I lived there. She sure must get a lot of lunches and breaks throughout the day, since she claims that's the only time she chats

audrevan

If I can find out how to report her, I will.

lajffrsn

Don't you know what department she works for?

If so, you can write to the Dept head, I would think.

audrevan

No, I don't know which department she works for, or where it is located.

If you know or can find out, please tell me!

lady boardwalker

Last I heard, it was the state dept. of education (I know, I know). She lives in L.A., so it would be around there.

P.S. I'd try human resources first, to try to find out who her supervisor is.

audrevan

The fucking Irish*ass has joined... while still on the clock, I bet. I am definitely contacting her supervisor tomorrow.

audrevan

Do some fucking WORK for a change, Irish*ASS!!!!!!

I tried to report her - I even called Sacramento! - but the CA Department of Education has no office in Los Angeles...

lady boardwalker

Then my best guess that she works for a local school district. I would have no idea which one, though. :shrug

Then again, she could've made it all up, which would be typical behavior for her. What about that IP number she logged in with here?

Regardless of her claims, I have never had her address or her phone number.

greatbiscotti

(IP info disclosed about Irish)

audrevan

Aaahhh!!!!

She is employed by LA County, not by the State of California.

lady boardwalker

The COUNTY has an office of education? How strange. I wonder what they're responsible for, that the state's not?

Almost forgot! Thanks so much for saving that info, GB. I haven't checked all the boards, but she's been all over the chat thread today.

audrevan

The bitch is chatting on the job again.

I have the phone number of the place where she works.

l cant drive 55

I wonder why she spends her work breaks online. She must not play well with others in RL either. :rolleyes

[Cyber Diva]

wonder what socrfan will think of the nice Car Wash peeps messing with people's lives, all because they didn't like what the poster, posted to a chat-board? lol



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#141
11-06-2003, 04:46 PM
l cant drive 55

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The post count jumps when baseTHIEF joins because he is incapable of posting more than three words at a time. Plus, he types about 95/wpm like a horny rabbit on crack rock.

#142
11-07-2003, 07:31 AM
audrevan

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Still lunchtime....


Farmyard Goddess, BASESTEALER, wasabanker

#143
11-07-2003, 08:36 AM
audrevan

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Oh, boy...


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#144
11-07-2003, 09:46 AM
audrevan

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11-07-2003, 10:01 AM
audrevan

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11-07-2003, 10:58 AM
audrevan

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#147
11-07-2003, 01:30 PM
l cant drive 55

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Tex - :ad The Extreme Shit Stirrer. :champ He wins the award.

#148
11-09-2003, 03:42 PM
audrevan

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your*hero is not Wasa...


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#149
11-09-2003, 06:00 PM
audrevan

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Sti-i-ill yappin'!


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11-10-2003, 07:29 AM
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11-10-2003, 07:32 AM
audrevan

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#152
11-10-2003, 07:59 AM
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#153
11-10-2003, 08:44 AM
audrevan

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It just galls me to see this CA state employee fucking around in a chatroom at work all day...


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Farmyard Goddess, mouthymouse

#154
11-10-2003, 09:08 AM
greatbiscotti

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Quote:
It just galls me to see this CA state employee fucking around in a chatroom at work all day...

And the state wonders why they are so in debt? If she does it....how many others do??

Outta drop 'ole Arnie an email.... Maybe he will "terminate" her?!

#155
11-10-2003, 10:19 AM
lady boardwalker

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Audrevan, since it's your tax dollars being wasted, why don't you report her? Or get a friend to do it. I wouldn't hesitate to report the nasty, lying witch if I lived there. She sure must get a lot of lunches and breaks throughout the day, since she claims that's the only time she chats.

#156
11-10-2003, 11:43 AM
audrevan

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If I can find out how to report her, I will.

#157
11-10-2003, 01:24 PM
lajffrsn

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Don't you know what department she works for?

If so, you can write to the Dept head, I would think.

#158
11-10-2003, 01:58 PM
audrevan

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No, I don't know which department she works for, or where it is located.

If you know or can find out, please tell me!

#159
11-11-2003, 12:13 AM
lady boardwalker

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Last I heard, it was the state dept. of education (I know, I know). She lives in L.A., so it would be around there.

#160
11-11-2003, 12:15 AM
lady boardwalker

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P.S. I'd try human resources first, to try to find out who her supervisor is.

[The Kings Noyse]

Sandy Boardwalker demands records and proof. Okay, then perhaps she would care to explain which sellers and which businesses she was "messing with" here:
Kelley, we need your help. On Saturday, two threads were started by the poster artrenditions.com. The first of these threads quickly turned into a trolling and bashing fest against chops*buster and it got quite long.

Legal-eaglet made several spurious allegations (again) of pornography and child pornography. Artrenditions.com posted a link to http://www.chopsbuster.com, a site that is NOT owned by Chops, but is a stalking site owned by Basestealer. Artrenditions.com also posted a link to an off-eBay board and accused everyone who disagreed with him of belonging to that "freepers" board. I had never seen that board, and I don't even know anyone who belongs to it.

Chops*buster was accused of posting with many ID's on that thread, when in fact the ID's belonged to many regular posters on T&S. Actually, there were so many false allegations made against Chops, that it made my head spin. I know for a fact that every one of them were blatant falsehoods. Another ID, your*hero, also participated in this bash fest. The posts on that thread actually made me sick to my stomach.

I know many people, including myself, were hitting the report button like crazy, but it took hours and hours before the thread was finally pulled. In the meantime, Artrenditions.com started this thread:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/…

Please take a careful look at posts #7, 10, 14, 21, and 35. These posts make it clear that this thread was started in order to troll. These posters know that you are gone on the weekends, and that is when they come out to play. The thread sat on the second page all day Sunday, but Art bumped it back up first thing today with another of his "challenges."

I have reported the above posts, as have several others, but yet they remain. As you will notice, Chops has not even posted to that thread. I'm not sure why the moderators are ignoring such a blatant violation of board policy that is in post #7 on that thread, and continues with the other posts.

I have not appointed myself as Chops' protector, not by any means, but these threads were so far over the top that I feel I have to speak up. The disgusting, blatant lies about some of the regular posters on T&S (not just about Chops) were just too much.

I hope you can take care of the current thread, and possibly do something to prevent further outbreaks like this when you are away. It appears to me that all three of the ID's I've mentioned in this e-mail are on T&S for one purpose, and one purpose only, and that is to troll and to cause a board war (it is almost summer, after all).

Thanks for your assistance.

Sandy :hazmat: Yeah right, she "knew" others besides herself had parked their fat asses on the Report button because she helped organize the operation, but that's all in a day's work for a busy little Carwash bee like Sandy. :1chirol_c Ohhh, and she did it all for her beloved little lord chops. How touching.:1kiss1:

[RunFaYaLife]

*yawn*

I posted that months ago regarding choppo seeking CI on Irish....then having
the nerve to have a bash and trash accusing everyone else of what he did
years ago.

Old stale news.

[Cyber Diva]

Now, if one wonders where Hanna went, Hanna is part of Heartland's crew, no longer with the Car wash but still around.

Next, let's look at what Sandy (Heartland) advised chopsbuster (audrevan) to do to a person who at the time, had done absolutely nothing to them...


lady boardwalker

Posts: n/a

Audrevan, since it's your tax dollars being wasted, why don't you report her? Or get a friend to do it. I wouldn't hesitate to report the nasty, lying witch if I lived there. She sure must get a lot of lunches and breaks throughout the day, since she claims that's the only time she chats.
------------------------

:1bonk1:

[The Kings Noyse]

This one is particularly revealing:
11-10-2003, 10:19 AM
lady boardwalker

Posts: n/a

Audrevan, since it's your tax dollars being wasted, why don't you report her? Or get a friend to do it. I wouldn't hesitate to report the nasty, lying witch if I lived there. She sure must get a lot of lunches and breaks throughout the day, since she claims that's the only time she chats.Irish (the "nasty, lying witch" in Sandy Boardwalker's diatribe) hadn't done anything to Sandy at this point, yet Sandy didn't hesitate to urge audrevan (Alan Chopsbuster) to "report her" or to "get a friend to do it." Are we talking about a nasty, mean-spirited, conniving witch here, or what? :2gamecock

[Cyber Diva]

*yawn*

I posted that months ago regarding choppo seeking CI on Irish....then having
the nerve to have a bash and trash accusing everyone else of what he did
years ago.

Old stale news.

But runfayalife...Polonsky didn't act alone. That's the problem. Sandy assisted him. Just as she assisted him with composing letters to eBay, about other businesses that they'd harassed.

She is not a victim of Polonsky's either. Sandy was never under his control. Nor was she brainwashed by him. None of them were. :1tantrum:

[RunFaYaLife]

Meanwhile .....back OT.

http://i10.tinypic.com/3zbdsap.gif

This bitch is in some serious need of some help......mebbe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/RAGODOFTHESUN/hozac.jpg

[The Kings Noyse]

Rikki: It's good to remember the past; otherwise, we risk repeating it.

[RunFaYaLife]

But runfayalife...Polonsky didn't act alone. That's the problem. Sandy assisted him. Just as she assisted him with composing letters to eBay, about other businesses that they'd harassed.

She is not a victim of Polonsky's either. Sandy was never under his control. Nor was she brainwashed by him. None of them were.


I do not care.

Incase you two haven't noticed........not many people are left that do care.

Just in case you do not grasp this....
I have known and or known Of most
of these poster's since 2000-2001.
I Still do not care.
Lucky for me I detested Chops from his first post in T&S.


The Kings Noyse Rikki: It's good to remember the past; otherwise, we risk repeating it.

What in the hell do you think you BOTH are doing NOW!?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/RAGODOFTHESUN/hozac.jpg

[la gazza ladra]

there's a crew?!?!?


do I need my own oars or what?



:1both:

[Cyber Diva]

Meanwhile .....back OT.

http://i10.tinypic.com/3zbdsap.gif




Okay...your photo of a naughty cit being spanked is cute...but the rest of it, shame on you.

lol

[Cyber Diva]

there's a crew?!?!?


do I need my own oars or what?



:1both:

Yes, and you must wear a tinfoil hat, to look pretty for the costume :1clap5: party. lol

[la gazza ladra]

OT:

it seems rather churlish and hypocritical for the dumpers to rail about cartman, when butterchopper hatched the plot as it were, to get irish......


but that is par for the coarse*


*misspelling intentional








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[Cyber Diva]

You said you had records proving your accusations against ME, so post them..

There you go again Sandy! You always have been good at making statements like that about other people, and making it work for you, huh Sandy? In fact, you've claimed that other people have falsely accused you of something more times than anyone on these boards, but you never do prove any of it. It's a deceptive form of deflection, but you knew that already huh Sandy, because that's why you do it. lol

Sometimes when you're forced to show proof by your betters, you simply say that you're too busy, or you can't find it anymore (lol)! Here's a prime example of Sandy in action:



lady boardwalker (heartland ) wrote:


Basestealer posted portions of one e-mail I sent to Karaokekandi on October 11th, when she was pumping me for info on who's who on which boards (while also trying to convince me that three posters were the same person).

Is this his PROOF that I'm e-mailing EVERYONE and telling them that he forges AIMs and e-mails? Something from over two months ago????

That's all he had? How lame! Have I not already said all of those things in public as well as in private?

Wow Base, yeah, that's wonderful proof that I'm e-mailing EVERYONE. Hell, everyone already knows this stuff about him, anyway. It's old, old news.

It's also kind of hard to get the proof he demands about him exhorting his friends to lie about us when he hides it behind closed doors -- or maybe Bliss was so freaked out by the ramifications of it that he deleted it. Maybe Base deleted it when he sobered up. Doesn't matter. It was posted. I should've copied it before it disappeared, my mistake. Although I'm NOT lying about it, I will retract it, since the evidence has suddenly disappeared. We do try to always back up what we say with evidence on this board, unlike some others.

What is Base's obsession with other people's weight, anyway? He doesn't have the first clue as to my height or weight or any other physical aspect of me, but we've all seen the Vegas pics of his big fat lard belly. Maybe he should focus those anti-overweight thoughts on himself for a while and get in shape!

Kandi, would you like your e-mails to me posted as well? That would only be fair, right? I'm sure the Zero people would like to see what you've said about them behind their backs, and you DO want to be fair, I'm sure. Maybe I'll just forward them to EVERYONE instead (or at least I'll be accused of doing so). You don't have any clue that you're being used, do you? Of course you don't, you brainless twit.

Kandi was posting in the basement just a couple of weeks ago, soooooo worried that *I* would be posting her private e-mails. What a stinking hypocrite Krazy Kandi/karaokekandi is! It must really suck to be as stupid as she is.

And really, Base, do try to calm down. We wouldn't want you to suddenly come down with a hernia over the hoidays. That just wouldn't do. Try not to take yourself so seriously -- I certainly don't.
-----------------------------



:1apileoff

[Cyber Diva]

Sandy says, about her days at the Car Wash:

We do try to always back up what we say with evidence on this board, unlike some others.

:1JerryJer

[RunFaYaLife]

You know..........

I saw this ID at the carweck a while back that would apply to both of you.
Perhap's you could both change your names respectively to.

ANNOYINGASHELL I and ANNOYINGASHELL II


If the nic fits you must commit.

[la gazza ladra]

You know..........

I saw this ID at the carweck a while back that would apply to both of you.
Perhap's you could both change your names respectively to.

ANNOYINGASHELL I and ANNOYINGASHELL II


If the nic fits you must commit.



:1crazy:

[Cyber Diva]

You know..........

I saw this ID at the carweck a while back that would apply to both of you.
Perhap's you could both change your names respectively to.

ANNOYINGASHELL I and ANNOYINGASHELL II


If the nic fits you must commit.

Now rikki, how many names at the car wash have we seen about both of you? naughty naughty. Did the shoe ever fit? Of course not, because the Car Wash doesn't know you. That's our point. The Car Wash is a rumor mill, a harassment, libel board, and its membership, past and present, is made up of those who've participated in gang stalking. Stalking is illegal.

[RunFaYaLife]

Now rikki, how many names at the car wash have we seen about both of you? naughty naughty. Did the shoe ever fit? Of course not, because the Car Wash doesn't know you. That's our point. The Car Wash is a rumor mill, a harassment, libel board, and its membership, past and present, is made up of those who've participated in gang stalking. Stalking is illegal.

Well then I suggest ANNOYINGASHELL I or is it II?
You better hire a lawyer.

[Cyber Diva]

You lost me, sweetie. Oh well. Good nite. :) :8heartbea

[agentorange]

Yes, Lorraine, everything you've said about the cardump criminal harassment board is true. However, you and your husband not only participated at one time, but you hosted the board for them. We all know WHY the cardump criminals accepted you with open arms (after devoting dozens of threads to you and your business, claiming you were a criminal, fraudster, and conartist)--Alan accepted you only when you began to participate in his sick harassment campaign. You made calls on his behalf, too, did you not? So, while you claim Sandy was never under his control, that may be true, but isn't it possible she was motivated at the very least by the same things that motivated you?

Alan has, in the past, organized detailed and outlandish campaigns to turn friends against each other, pitting people against each other, hoping that by planting seeds of distrust, they will turn on those he wants "destroyed". Keep in mind, dear readers, when I use these seemingly over-the-top terms, they are words that Alan used himself to describe his agenda. "Destroyed" was one of his favorites. When his attempts to destroy friendships showed less than stellar results, he began the scheme of waiting in prey... until people had disagreements, arguments, or fights. What would otherwise have been a tiff that would have blown over, Alan capitalized on. He pounced like a rabid wolf--he cornered the highly emotional friend, courted them, and once he had their receptive ears, he began his disgusting little game of "here's the evidence!" "look what he's done!" "look what he's going to do!" "look what he said about you!" "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT!?" By that time, he had managed to destroy friendships and forge a bond with the very people he publicly bashed and trashed--simply because the person had agreed to abandon their friendship with the person he wanted "destroyed". He did this by playing the oldest game in the book--he capitalized on people's emotions, their need for revenge, their feelings of hurt and betrayal, and he brought it all together to make complete and utter monsters out of them--they were frankenposters, just like Alan. Sick, disgusting creations born of out Alan's devious mind, and pyschological headgames.

One needn't bother telling you how easy it is for a group of people to join a mass hysteria--for people to bash and trash and do and say disgusting things when OTHERS are doing it, or at least when they BELIEVE others are doing it--that is where Alan's 20 sock puppets came into play. He didn't bring the emotional posters to an empty board--he brought them to a "thriving community" (comprised of his sock puppets) of vicious haters. How easy is it to turn an ordinarily nice person into a minime Hitler? Easier than you think. And he knows it. Sandy and others who joined believed that I was an evil person, responsible for many things that Alan did to them himself--some of them were hurt and emotionally charged over the abrupt end to our friendship, and others wanted revenge, and the cardump provided the encouragement and the atmosphere to exact that revenge. The things said and done there, given the tactics he used to elicit those responses, is understandable. YOU joined after knowing full well that Alan employed these tactics, so what is your excuse? Double agent? I don't know. Maybe?

The wheelchair "rumor" wasn't exactly a rumor. And it wasn't a wheelchair, it was a hover-round. *I* started that, at least I'm the one that began posting about Sandy's hoverround. She told me in an email a long time ago that many people on the board were handicapped (or disabled) and I assumed she meant in a wheelchair. I have since come to the realization that not everybody who is disabled is in a wheelchair. It wasn't long before the hoverround remarks became a running joke, especially after she denied it. Late night cable plants humorous images in ones head--the hoverround was one such image. Let's be real--if the level of insults and fighting were still at the "she's in a hoverround" level, I think everybody would be quite pleased. But, those back and forth barbs ended when Alan's monster obtained its own website and godaddy host.

And of course, everyone now knows (many knew before) that Alan's constant crying for and about rules, policies, and legalities is nothing more than underhanded attempts to manipulate the situation in his favor, on whatever venue he is terrorizing. When posting contact information on ezboard was against the rules, and his harassment board was STUCK there, he would file report after report after report against any and all who violated the most trivial of rules, labeling them "criminals"--meanwhile, when he found a venue that had no rules, he did not abide by the policies he used to champion, in fact he used to claim those policies that limited his harassment were MORAL in nature, that they were HIS morality escribed to paper! But, we know that isn't true--without rules he is a monster. Not a single ethical rule or law is left unbroken by him, because he is "allowed" he is "just" and is "entitled".

We could go on and on, but this thread really isn't about the criminal harasser and stalker Alan.

[RunFaYaLife]

Cyber Diva
Quote:

Originally Posted by RunFaYaLife
You know..........

I saw this ID at the carweck a while back that would apply to both of you.
Perhap's you could both change your names respectively to.

ANNOYINGASHELL I and ANNOYINGASHELL II


If the nic fits you must commit.

Cyber Diva
Now rikki, how many names at the car wash have we seen about both of you? naughty naughty. Did the shoe ever fit? Of course not, because the Car Wash doesn't know you. That's our point. The Car Wash is a rumor mill, a harassment, libel board, and its membership, past and present, is made up of those who've participated in gang stalking. Stalking is illegal.

RunFaYaLife
Well then I suggest ANNOYINGASHELL I or is it II?
You better hire a lawyer.

Cyber Diva You lost me, sweetie. Oh well. Good nite.

basestealer
Yes, Lorraine, everything you've said about the cardump criminal harassment board is true. However, you and your husband not only participated at one time, but you hosted the board for them. We all know WHY the cardump criminals accepted you with open arms (after devoting dozens of threads to you and your business, claiming you were a criminal, fraudster, and conartist)--Alan accepted you only when you began to participate in his sick harassment campaign. You made calls on his behalf, too, did you not? So, while you claim Sandy was never under his control, that may be true, but isn't it possible she was motivated at the very least by the same things that motivated you?



basestealer
One needn't bother telling you how easy it is for a group of people to join a mass hysteria--for people to bash and trash and do and say disgusting things when OTHERS are doing it, or at least when they BELIEVE others are doing it--that is where Alan's 20 sock puppets came into play. He didn't bring the emotional posters to an empty board--he brought them to a "thriving community" (comprised of his sock puppets) of vicious haters. How easy is it to turn an ordinarily nice person into a minime Hitler? Easier than you think. And he knows it. Sandy and others who joined believed that I was an evil person, responsible for many things that Alan did to them himself--some of them were hurt and emotionally charged over the abrupt end to our friendship, and others wanted revenge, and the cardump provided the encouragement and the atmosphere to exact that revenge. The things said and done there, given the tactics he used to elicit those responses, is understandable. YOU joined after knowing full well that Alan employed these tactics, so what is your excuse? Double agent? I don't know. Maybe?

And with that .......I rest my case.

[Cyber Diva]

Yes, Lorraine, everything you've said about the cardump criminal harassment board is true. However, you and your husband not only participated at one time, but you hosted the board for them. We all know WHY the cardump criminals accepted you with open arms (after devoting dozens of threads to you and your business, claiming you were a criminal, fraudster, and conartist)--

Actually, what you don't know is who brought the false "news" to chopsbuster, about our business, in the first place. JavaNoire finally admitted her yesterday, that Polonsky hadn't even heard of us before their crew showed up. That's true. They went to him for "protection" because they felt they were being investigated for shill bidding, which we had very little to do with. Oh, yes, we reported the charity auction, that's true, but that was an outrage to the eBay community, and the media had reported about it anyway.

Brandon, even though you want to believe those who left the Car Wash are innocent "victims," they are not.

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Back to Sandy's false reporting to an eBay pink, Ms. Kelley.... there's more where this came from too.....


:1kool-aid"Chops*buster was accused of posting with many ID's on that thread, when in fact the ID's belonged to many regular posters on T&S. Actually, there were so many false allegations made against Chops, that it made my head spin.:1rotfl1 I know for a fact that every one of them were blatant falsehoods. :1chirol_k

Originally Posted by Sandy aka: Heartland Antiques

Kelley, we need your help. On Saturday, two threads were started by the poster artrenditions.com. The first of these threads quickly turned into a trolling and bashing fest against chops*buster and it got quite long.

Legal-eaglet made several spurious allegations (again) of pornography and child pornography. Artrenditions.com posted a link to http://www.chopsbuster.com, a site that is NOT owned by Chops, but is a stalking site owned by Basestealer. Artrenditions.com also posted a link to an off-eBay board and accused everyone who disagreed with him of belonging to that "freepers" board . I had never seen that board, and I don't even know anyone who belongs to it.

Chops*buster was accused of posting with many ID's on that thread, when in fact the ID's belonged to many regular posters on T&S. Actually, there were so many false allegations made against Chops, that it made my head spin. I know for a fact that every one of them were blatant falsehoods. Another ID, your*hero, also participated in this bash fest. The posts on that thread actually made me sick to my stomach.

I know many people, including myself, were hitting the report button like crazy, but it took hours and hours before the thread was finally pulled. In the meantime, Artrenditions.com started this thread:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?forumID=107&threadID=171790

Please take a careful look at posts #7, 10, 14, 21, and 35. These posts make it clear that this thread was started in order to troll. These posters know that you are gone on the weekends, and that is when they come out to play. The thread sat on the second page all day Sunday, but Art bumped it back up first thing today with another of his "challenges."

I have reported the above posts, as have several others, but yet they remain. As you will notice, Chops has not even posted to that thread. I'm not sure why the moderators are ignoring such a blatant violation of board policy that is in post #7 on that thread, and continues with the other posts.

I have not appointed myself as Chops' protector, not by any means, but these threads were so far over the top that I feel I have to speak up. The disgusting, blatant lies about some of the regular posters on T&S (not just about Chops) were just too much.

I hope you can take care of the current thread, and possibly do something to prevent further outbreaks like this when you are away. It appears to me that all three of the ID's I've mentioned in this e-mail are on T&S for one purpose, and one purpose only, and that is to troll and to cause a board war (it is almost summer, after all).

Thanks for your assistance.

Sandy
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[Steamcleaner]

Actually, what you don't know is who brought the false "news" to chopsbuster, about our business, in the first place. JavaNoire finally admitted her yesterday, that Polonsky hadn't even heard of us before their crew showed up. That's true. They went to him for "protection" because they felt they were being investigated for shill bidding, which we had very little to do with.

Now I'm begining to see what libel is Diva, thanks.

:hazmat:

[Cyber Diva]

Now I'm begining to see what libel is Diva, thanks.

:hazmat:

Good. Please do keep paying attention and you'll do fine. You'll learn how JavaNoire and Sandy have libeled many, many innocent people over the years. (Did you read Sandy's story about the adulterous, yet? That was libel per se.).

As far as the false shilling accusation goes, this is what JavaNoire told Cit, provided below. Evidently it has something to do with shilling, not in the Charity Auction, but before that.... a friend of JavaNoire's was caught shilling and it was not clear what IDs were used on the auction to shill.

Maybe you know more about it. Who was shilling, who is a friend of JavaNoire's who was busted for shilling. Was that you? I understand they may have been "framed." That's always a possibility when dealing with eBay. I never learned from what JavaNoire posted about it, who the friend might have been. If it's not you, well then, do you happen to know who it was who was falsely accused of shill bidding? Somehow java wrongly thought we had something to do with it. She trolled, and harassed, and libeled us for years on account of it. She also sent e-mail communications to lots of people using the eBay system. This has been learned through discovery. Did she libel us, or slander us? Do get back to me, when you learn more about libel. For now.... check this out....

See: cit (formerly known as, beespecific)

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cruiseDirector:: So tell me, how do you know java?

beespecific:: From buying jewelry from some of the people she knows apparently. I didnt know she knew them, but she knew me from the T&S board

cruiseDirector:: So how did you connect?

beespecific:: She emailed me.

beespecific:: Well first her freind emailed me

beespecific:: The one who's auction I won

beespecific:: She had been suspended for shilling

cruiseDirector:: I see. So first her friend opens the door. Then java walks through it

beespecific:: She told me if I didnt want to I didnt have to go through with the auction

cruiseDirector:: How was that any of her business?

beespecific:: Well she opened the door because I won an auction and she became NARU

cruiseDirector:: 'She” meaning java's friend?

beespecific:: And as it turned out she was friends with Java

beespecific:: Yers the seller was a friend of Javas

cruiseDirector:: I see. So how did the subject of AR/PFG come up?

cruiseDirector:: PG

beespecific:: Java didnt say *you* or Lorraine actually were the ones who had reported her friend - she was just fishing

cruiseDirector:: What was the bait?

beespecific:: I cant really recall the exact sequence = but Java and I had been posting on T&S right about the same time her friend was NARU'd

beespecific:: Bait?

cruiseDirector:: I see. Could it be she thought you had been the snitch?

beespecific:: She must not have had any cause she didnt catch anything frome me

cruiseDirector:: hahaha

beespecific:: Possibly??? She may have

cruiseDirector:: hmmm

beespecific:: But I had bought from her friend in the past

cruiseDirector:: So you've witnessed the JG&W exchanges?

beespecific:: So it wasnt like the first auction I won from her and why would I have snitched I was buying from her

cruiseDirector:: I don;t know. I mean, I don;t know why her friend was NARUd

cruiseDirector:: Shill bidding, perhaps?

beespecific:: Mainly Java just said that there was a lot of shit going down in JGW and alot more stuff was going to happen to a lot of people she cared about.

cruiseDirector:: Like what?

cruiseDirector:: What have they been doing wrong?

beespecific:: Oh yes it was for shill bidding - The seller emailed and told me that herself. That she was suspended for shill bidding

cruiseDirector:: So Java and her friends are shill bidders?

beespecific:: Thats when she told me if I didnt want to I didnt have to go through with the auction and she would refund my money

beespecific:: Well I wouldnt say that.

cruiseDirector:: why not?

cruiseDirector:: Who do you suppose these shillers are?

beespecific:: All I know is what the seller told me - that she was suspended and if I wanted my money back she would refund

cruiseDirector:: k

beespecific:: I dont know who the shillers are cause I didnt even know the auctions I had been bidding on were shilled until after the fact




For more info please visit:

http://networkstalking.org/wordpress/category/archived-chats/

[The Kings Noyse]

Brandon: Your intellect is sufficiently advanced to know there is great power in language, that our words can be used either to elevate or to degrade others, and that how we choose to use this power profoundly defines our character and our lives. Lately, your writing has been rather elevated and thoughtful, and I, for one, am glad for it. Your observations concerning Alan and the Carwash are true and demonstrate penetrating insight into an obscure and convoluted subject matter. One hopes that others might learn from your example and begin to add more thought and less hate to their daily posts, but the reality is that few here have any actual capacity for deep thinking or genuine critical analysis, and fewer still possess such inclination or any real desire to help anyone.

Alan, on the other hand, is a very superficial person without any discernible interest in philosophy or in self improvement. He is gifted with impressive rhetorical skills, and personally, he can be quite charming and affable; but his tragic flaw is dissimulation, which defines his character, poisons all of his relationships, and limits his mind and intellect to always groping upon the backs of things, without ever apprehending their deeper meaning or significance, just like an actor that can feign emotion and expertly mouth the words of another without true understanding.

You would have me believe that Sandy was wrong about you, that she was wrong about Alan, wrong about so many others, and that she somehow is a different person than she was before, but where is the evidence for that? I cannot deny the evidence of my own senses, nor can you explain how she can be right about us, whom she doesn't know at all, when she has been wrong about so many others despite years spent in their intimate association.

Alan approached us at a moment of weakness, when he had few allies, little support, and, for a brief moment, did appear to have come to his senses about wasting so much of his life with this nonsense. He and Karl approached me for help because in their hearts they knew the terrible things they had authored and spread around about us were false, and that if they were sincere and contrite that I would help them. And I agreed to help them, but only after obtaining their word that they had changed and that the new forum would be very different.

TCWL1 debuted on October 17, 2005, and I shut it down 35 days later, on November 21, 2005, after giving Alan and Karl the perfect opportunity to demonstrate they had changed, and after seeing practically that they had not, that in fact they were far worse than I ever had imagined. While I was there, I did participate in certain ways, but not in the manner or to the degree that you may believe. There were no private forums when we hosted TCWL1, and so unlike now, everything was in full view for all to see. I think you will agree that TCWL1 was very different from all predecessor and successor manifestations of Alan's shithole, and that was due to our influence.

Sandy and her friends, on the other hand, were attracted to Alan the villain, and they joined his crew because they were then and remain now just like him. They did not leave because they one day discovered some awful truth about Alan, which is absurd on its face, since a number of them, including Sandy, are actually worse than Alan, which though true I must admit hardly seems possible. Those private forums are a cesspool of plotting, scheming, betrayal, rumor mongering, false reports, false personation, intrigue, and vicious libel, and Sandy is a constant fixture in the midst of most of it. The only difference I see now is that you and she have become cordial, that you have changed for the better, and that she has actually grown worse. Her causeless venom always has been directed at us, so my perspective has remained constant, merely improved by seeing the filth unearthed from the bowels of the EZ Carwash; whereas, your perspective has been changed by your newfound relationship with her. Now if that were a valid reason to change ones opinion of another then wouldn't this have required your opinion of Alan to change when Lorraine left TAW and I agreed to host TCWL?

[agentorange]

What you may not know is that I knew Sandy long before Alan ever reared his ugly head on T & S, or any eBay board for that matter. I knew Sandy when she first showed up to T & S, posting as strawfields. My history with her predates Alan's tainting of the message board community, indeed, Alan has single-handedly turned the OAI community into a hateful, satanic sewer. Neither Sandy nor myself, nor anyone on T & S wanted Alan around, nor did we appreciate his slimy posts and nasty attacks. However, Alan refused to allow the board to operate in peace, and lines were drawn, alliances were forged, and the rest is history. During this time, Sandy made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that she wasn't interested in any of it, that she was going to stay on T & S and avoid off-ebay boards altogether, that she didn't want to be emailed or recruited or informed of the story. *I* appreciated her request and never contacted her again about it. I also knew that Alan and those desperate to propogate their lies and hate would NOT STOP contacting Sandy to poison her. I thought then that Sandy would realize quickly, based on my following her request and their refusal to do so, who was full of shit, so to speak. I was wrong, because Sandy popped up on Alan's board a few months later. THAT is the power of propoganda and manipulation--I had and still have the evidence necessary to have prevented Sandy from ever joining forces with those monsters, as they had been vigorously attempting to discredit her, mess with her head, and destroy her reputation behind the scenes, even on a message board that I owned! But, I respected her wishes and didn't attempt to convince of her anything--Alan did not.

Short of believing Sandy is some sort of twisted scumbag, which I don't beleive, I have to believe what is obvious and what is true. Sandy was told things that were untrue (like so many others were) by a pack of liars and scoundrels that wanted nothing more than to cause trouble between people they utterly hated and, in their words, wanted "destroyed". Sandy was probably shown things, such as altered posts or emails, chats, AIMs, what have you, to convince her of things that weren't true. All of this was done behind the scenes, mind you, because this is right from Alan's operations manual--do the brainwashing in private, and then reveal the results to a shocked community. No defense can then be launched, as nobody is privy to the "secret evidence" used to bring about the transformation.

So, at that point, it became about me posting about how I can't believe what Sandy is doing and saying, and Sandy posting her attacks from the carwash, back and forth, insults flying--at no point during her membership at the carwash was it ever a possibility for me to contact her, nor her to contact me, to set things straight. But, during her tenure at the carwash, my contact information wasn't posted by her, and the few times it was posted to the carwash, I had it removed before most of the membership (including her) even saw it. My employer was never contacted by Sandy, and Sandy never sent me anonymous emails. Sandy never threatened to physically harm me, either. So, all in all, nothing occured that would make it so I would be unwilling to talk to her, forgive her, and start anew. *IF* ezboard allowed the types of sick harassment that Alan now perpetrates on thecarwashlive, would Sandy have stuck around and participated? I don't believe she would. In fact, the group that Alan recruited at the time, Sandy, Dirk, Tek, Hanna, Momo, etc., were very much upstanding people prior to their joining the ezboard carwash, and I don't believe if they knew what Alan was doing behind the scenes that they'd have supported it, nor do I believe that they'd want their names or reputations associated with the public displays he conducts now. So, whatever the reason was that they left, I KNEW they would leave evntually, and certainly they would have left long before now given Alan's course of progression since his ezboard was banned and locked down.

Sandy and her friends, on the other hand, were attracted to Alan the villain, and they joined his crew because they were then and remain now just like him.
I believe I have sufficiently shown you that that is not the case. For if it were, Sandy would be posting the sorts of the things that Alan and his stalking partners post on the carwashlive--she would be acting as they do in response, but she doesn't, because she has principles, or is at the very least bound by her desire to preserve her character and reputation. Whatever the reason, she doesn't do what they do.

They did not leave because they one day discovered some awful truth about Alan, which is absurd on its face, since a number of them, including Sandy, are actually worse than Alan, which though true I must admit hardly seems possible.
No, not worse than Alan. You judge based on what you saw them post, but even if you did that you couldn't come to that conclusion. At the time, Alan did dispicable things to HIS OWN so-called FRIENDS! and blames those deeds on me and those who posted to my board. He enraged them. He planted seeds. He fired them up. He encouraged them. He held their hands through the entire thing and even composed their posts for them! He did this knowing full well that they would eventually leave in disgust, and he could then use their posts, which were entirely inspired by him, against them at a later date, which is exactly what he's doing now. He now quotes his former membership from his banned and locked down ezboard, claiming "look what she said!"--pardon me!? That was HIS board, that was HIS hate, the membership were under the spell of HIS lies, HIS agenda, and HIS manipulation. They posted what he told them to post, they posted what he encouraged them to post, they posted what they believed were just responses to perceived attacks that Alan committed himself and placed blame for on others, they posted in many cases posts that Alan himself composed for them!

Those private forums are a cesspool of plotting, scheming, betrayal, rumor mongering, false reports, false personation, intrigue, and vicious libel, and Sandy is a constant fixture in the midst of most of it. The only difference I see now is that you and she have become cordial, that you have changed for the better, and that she has actually grown worse. Her causeless venom always has been directed at us, so my perspective has remained constant, merely improved by seeing the filth unearthed from the bowels of the EZ Carwash; whereas, your perspective has been changed by your newfound relationship with her. Now if that were a valid reason to change ones opinion of another then wouldn't this have required your opinion of Alan to change when Lorraine left TAW and I agreed to host TCWL?
My opinion of Alan will never change. I think the worst of him that could ever possibly be thought of someone, and that simply won't change no matter what you or your wife do, who hosts his cesspit of shit, or who decides to befriend him one day. You might not realize this, but the only opinions that changed the day you joined the carwash were people's opinions of you!

[Cyber Diva]

Speaking of Sandy... here are some of her legendary posts from her days of lording it over the eBay boards.... :sm1132:



lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions) /02 7:11 PM (# 89 of 1440):


Elephant, with all due respect, you are starting to sound like a raving lunatic. Long tirades such as you just posted have a tendency to cause that opinion to be formed.

When you first came to this board, you had a question about spam e-mail. As is natural, MANY posters told you exactly how they felt about spam. NO ONE personally attacked you or called you names onthat thread, that I recall. Since you wanted to disregard everyone's opinion about the spam you wanted to send out, even after being told by many that THEY would consider it spam, you started a new thread saying everyone was attacking you. Everyone was DISAGREEING with you and DISAGREEING with
what you wanted to send unsolicited to other eBay members, and it seems that hurt your feelings. So you went on the ATTACK against everyone, because you weren't getting the type of discussion you wanted. Do you not know the difference between a disagreement and a personal attack?

The one post by Macy that you copied twice above does not name any names. Why do you think that post refers only to Chops? Is there some hidden text in that post that I can't see? Is it *gasp* possible
you are ASSuming something?

Which rule of eBay's did Chops disobey? You DID use the word disobey, right? I would like to know EXACTLY which rule he disobeyed.

I see a lot of twisting and turning in your lengthy rants, but very few cold, hard facts.

You came to this board and made a LOT of mistakes. Naturally, you are going to be viewed with suspicion because of those choices you made. Do you really think this happens to every newbie that comes to this board? It absolutely does not, as long as they are not here to stir up trouble and
deceive people. Some regulars have been on this board for a VERY long time, and have seen just about every deception possible. I'd rate yours a 4 on a 10 scale. We've seen far worse. Live and learn. Your future on this board is up to you alone.


"Your future on this board is up to you alone." Right, Sandy. LOL

:1chirol_c



lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/09/02 8:01 PM (# 238 of 1441)

The troll is trying to cozy up to anyone that gets disagreed with around here. Trying to find strength in numbers, obviously, but I think those posters are too smart to take the bait. Well, at least some of them are.

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lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/10/02 8:04 AM (# 242 of 1441)

Dr. Phil, I know I shouldn't laugh at illnesses of any kind, even mental, but that is just plain
FUNNY. :)




lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/22/02 5:43 PM (# 260 of 1441)

I'd like to know why a thread was pulled from the first page where a discussion regarding transaction interference was taking place. I saw NO board violations in that thread, unless they occurred after my last post there; in which case only the offending post(s) should have been pulled.

Was someone unhappy that they were being disagreed with and did they request that the thread be pulled? If so, I consider that to be extremely cowardly and unprofessional behavior.

I will continue to disagree with those who give incorrect advice in this matter, every single time they give it, when that advice is based upon their own opinion and NOT on eBay written policy.




lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/22/02 9:38 PM (# 267 of 1441)

Patricia, if you say you did not report the thread, then I believe you. I still find it very VERY strange that it disappeared like that, since there was no board violation that I could see.

The cut-and-paste you just posted above, once again, does not cover what I and others have been talking about - a simple request for information. Specifically items b and c are completely inaccurate to what I have been stating.

I also don't believe I've been berating you. I have been repeatedly giving my own opinion, just as you have. I've also quoted eBay policy, which specifically states that a warning against another user may not be given in e-mail contact. It's pretty difficult to legally imply a warning from a request for information only.

I'm sorry if you feel ganged up on here, but you are the only one who has posted holding your opinion. Are we not supposed to disagree because there are more of us disagreeing than agreeing? I think we need to be careful about stating that something is against eBay policy, when it is not.
Holding an opinion is fine, but you are refusing to even consider the points that I and many others have brought forth. We have, however, considered your points, and your specific experience with transaction interference, and have agreed that it was wrong in your case.





lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/22/02 9:42 PM (# 268 of 1441)

Patricia, I can read your links and cuts-and-pastes just fine here on the board. I don't need for you to e-mail them to me, also. I prefer to keep board discussions on the board. I just can't be here every second to see what is posted, but I will get back eventually and try to respond. :)

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lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/22/02 9:44 PM (# 269 of 1441)

I'm leaving for the night now, but I'll check in tomorrow.



lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/23/02 6:10 AM (# 272 of 1441)

Patricia, eBay warned a seller for "repetitive malicious interference" ... not for a request for information. As long as we are careful to separate the two types of contact in the advice we give, I don't see a problem. I don't think it's right or correct to advise users that eBay will take action against them if they request information from another user, because that is not what happened in the
case you refer to.

I do think we should take care to advise posters carefully about the difference, and not make a blanket statement regarding the two types of contact.




lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/23/02 8:04 AM (# 274 of 1441)

Patricia,

I used the term "repetitive malicious interference" since that is the term you used to describe what the user was found guilty of doing. I realize the warning itself from eBay was for auction interference; I was merely describing the type of interference that took place, as opposed to a simple request for information.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this topic. I know you will continue to give your opinion on this to those that ask, as will I. I won't belabor the point after giving my opinion, unless you do. What I'm saying is that if you continue to argue with my opinion, I will continue to argue with yours. Fair enough?





lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
01/01/03 3:43 PM (# 313 of 1441)

Chops, I'm now being blamed for "outing" a shill accusation against you! LMAO!! *squeaky high voice*

"Oooooh, I NEVER would have made that accusation PUBLICLY!" Cowards and hypocrites hide behind other people.

If "someone" had even 1/10th of a brain, they'd be able to tell the difference between AM and PM. FYI, Chops posted his the NIGHT BEFORE I posted mine. I never SAW his before I posted, as it was long gone by the time I came to the board the next day. As usual, your accusations are not only
ignorant, but completely inaccurate! LOLOLOL!! Hmmmm, who's the IDIOT now, rodent?

Hurry now, wawahaggywannabeyounger, report this one too! Chop chop, before too many people see it! That seems to be all you're good for on this board anymore, you sad, pathetic, burnout excuse for a female. You enjoy name-calling so much, I thought you might enjoy this. Have a GREAT new year!!




twoface_stomper (0) (view author's auctions)
01/17/03 6:01 PM (# 382 of 1441)

lady_boardwalker
With all due respect to you for coming to her defense, I would disagree with you as to her posting derogatory things on the chat thread.
I happen to have the posts saved and I was the victim at times.

I also have many of her posts from the RJ attacking me and others who still post to the chat thread and the chat itself. So I find it hard to agree with you that what she did was in the "heat of the moment" as you put it. Just before christmas she was still a RJ member and the bashing and derogatory statements were still taking place. You are however entitled to your opinions just as much as I am.

I have no wish to argue with you and have always respected the help that you do on T & S. and 99.99 % of the time of your opinions. This is one time I do not. What I posted is the truth and the reason for the new ID that was given is also the truth. I finally had to install a spam blocker to shut off all the crap that came from the monkey house and some of it still gets through grrrr.

I would like to see her come to her own defense if she feels that what was posted is not the truth or proof she has truely changed. I think I was very fair in posting it here instead of the chat where she came so innocently today like a long lost friend. I'm sorry but to me that is being two-faced.

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lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
01/17/03 6:12 PM (# 386 of 1441)

twoface, how can she possibly apologize or explain anything to you if she doesn't even know who you are? Why would you think she should? What she did on the truce thread was aimed at one person and one person only on this board, and I don't think it was you, was it?

You know, I've seen some vicious, hurtful (and ridiculous), things posted about myself on that off-eBay board, but not by her. I haven't seen her participating in any of that for quite some time now, have you?

If I, of all people, can let bygones be bygones, why is it so hard for you? I understand your problem with the spam; I haven't had any of that coming my way, probably thanks to my ISP. But I don't think it's fair of you to demand an explanation or an apology while you are, in effect, a perfect stranger to all of us.

If you have posts to prove me wrong, please e-mail them to me. I have seen none of what you claim, since around the time of the truce thread. The fact remains she has just as much right to post on this board as you or I do, as does anyone who has not been sanctioned.


Someone else wrongly accused, by Sandy....a perfect stranger, she says.


twoface_stomper (0) (view author's auctions)
01/17/03 7:04 PM (# 404 of 1441)

lady_boardwalker,
I don't believe that anywhere in my posts is the word "hate" used. To the best of my knowledge I never said that she did not have a right to be here or to post where ever she wanted.

I also realize that I do not have to aknowledge her presence.

Maybe the words I used were not quite the right ones , But I am having trouble trying to understand the warm welcomes for one who did all they could to disrupt the chat and tried to make it disappear and attack others both on and off ebay boards. I most certainly can forgive, but there is usually a
reason to do and I have seen no such reason as of yet. Just a "hi it's great to be back"!

To everyone that I have responded to I believe I have done so with out flaming them.



lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
01/17/03 7:22 PM (# 406 of 1441)

Twoface, what you're not getting is that neither Kim nor anyone else owes an apology to an anonymous ID that they don't recognize. Maybe if you identified yourself, in private if you like, then she could make an informed decision about whether to discuss anything with you or not. Others have
already discussed this with her.



lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
01/17/03 7:35 PM (# 411 of 1441)

Twoface, since we don't know who you are, how do we know that YOU don't owe anyone an apology? C'mon, you're not making sense! If she wants to be here, she will be, and it's strictly her decision what she wants to say in public about past history.



twoface_stomper (0) (view author's auctions)
01/17/03 8:02 PM (# 413 of 1441)

lajffrsn & lady_boardwalker,
First thank you
And for the record.....yes, my apology was public.

Kim knows very well what she did and in IMMHO should make a public apology also. She does not have to know who I am in order to do that. Just the fact that she was one of those engaging in trying to disrupt the chat and did make derogatory remarks about others on the chat in the RJ. and now wants
to be back there should be enough to warrant an apology to all.



dirk12955 (1159) (view author's auctions)
01/18/03 8:11 AM (# 420 of 1441)

Klyten,

well said.

Bygones be Bygones and if we are all adults, why not act like adults?

The people that try to disrupt and cause problems here and off this board are easy to identify and the community will eventually be rid of them one way or another.

Anybody that wants to Kiss and Make up should be welcomed back.

If somebody has an issue with the person, Take it to email.

This crap has GOT to stop.

More here if one's so inclined to see how Sandy believed she owned the eBay boards, along with Mr. Chopsbuster... lol

http://networkstalking.org/wordpress/2006/08/21/heartland-aka-heartland-antiques-heartakak-lady-boardwalker/#comments

[kim]

OMG - and - then what - did she eat a peanut butter sandwich...?

[Cyber Diva]

OMG - and - then what - did she eat a peanut butter sandwich...?

Ramonaleona, you'd have to have been there to understand the pain and anguish this woman has caused on countless eBayers.... who were forced to leave the educational forums, (an FTC settlement agreement anyway, was the reason for the eBay forums, in the first place...Sandy's crew didn't own the boards! lol ).

I doubt it's about a peanut butter sandwich to those who've been victimized by Sandy's car wrecking crew.
:1bonk1:

Here, how's this sound, good advice, huh? "You chose your behavior; you live with the consequences."


lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
02/21/03 10:35 AM (# 809 of 1445)

Lone, you just will never get it. What I condone or don't condone regarding other people is between them and me, and it's none of your business. If I have an opinion to share with them, I will. We were discussing YOUR behavior, but evidently you want to act like a pre-adolescent with this, "But
so-and-so did a bad thing too, why aren't THEY getting a scolding?" Ever heard of taking responsibility for your OWN words and actions?

What I saw, regarding the comments you mention, was purely information being given. I saw no nasty, disgusting remarks being made regarding that information. I saw no personal opinion being offered regarding that information, either.

I have seen both of the posters you are referring to also post nasty and disgusting comments about those they don't agree with, and I've seen one of those posters use multiple ID's to post their filth aimed at other users. So neither are innocent little boys who have been unfairly attacked by a
big bad meanie, are they? If you dish it out, you'd better be ready to take it.

I also saw that the information was given in a private e-mail, which was then posted publicly, something you have always stood out against. I guess you're only against it when it concerns your hero, though, right? It's absolutely ok with you when it's done to someone you don't like, isn't that right?

Go ahead and continue to insult and degrade most of the regular posters on this board; most of whom have never said or done a thing against you. Continue making your little snide accusations and insinuations. You fool no one. But after you've done that, don't whine that no one will talk to you
on the chat thread or enter into a discussion with you on any T&S topic. Don't expect to be "welcomed" wherever you post. Anyone can post anywhere they choose on this board. That doesn't mean anyone else loses their right to completely ignore them.

You chose your behavior; you live with the consequences.

:1kool1-ai

[boardbimbo]

and my head has cleared up! Wow!

[Cyber Diva]

and my head has cleared up! Wow!

That's good. Did you hear about this one? We can contact the customers of other sellers just as long as "we are careful to separate the two types of contact" (and we don't get caught.... gotta use the good cop bad cop approach..lol. )


lady_boardwalker (0) (view author's auctions)
12/23/02 6:10 AM (# 272 of 1441)

Patricia, eBay warned a seller for "repetitive malicious interference" ... not for a request for information. As long as we are careful to separate the two types of contact in the advice we give, I don't see a problem. I don't think it's right or correct to advise users that eBay will take action against them if they request information from another user, because that is not what happened in the case you refer to.

I do think we should take care to advise posters carefully about the difference, and not make a blanket statement regarding the two types of contact.


:1JerryJer

[The Kings Noyse]

You are right in that I was not aware of that history with you and T&S before TCW. That was before my time, and I don't claim to have any first hand knowledge of those events. What I do know is that these women did stay with him for a very long time, and that they engaged in many bad acts while in his association. Every CW member is responsible for what they do, even those acts done under another's influence or in order to please someone else. I will agree that in his association, CW members seem willing to do things they would not otherwise do on their own, but that is simply the nature of group dynamics and mob-think. Coercive persuasion may sometimes rise to the level of brainwashing, but generally the principle involved here is that of reduced inhibition reinforced by the attitudes, expectations, and demands of the group. Effective gang leaders are adept at identifying the baser tendencies of prospective members and then nurturing these for the benefit of the organization; but these antisocial tendencies must already be present, at least in latent form.

For instance, a person may appear to be a law-abiding citizen until he comes into association with a group of criminals, and exactly when he begins to commit crimes in that association, he too becomes a criminal. In fact, this is how most criminals become criminals, and why a condition of parole always is to avoid the association of known criminals.

No, not worse than Alan. You judge based on what you saw them post, but even if you did that you couldn't come to that conclusion.I am not judging anyone; rather, I am expressing reasoned opinions based on the available facts at my disposal. I have first hand experience with these people. I have had a level of contact with some that you have not, just as you have had a level of direct and prolonged contact with some that goes beyond my experience. You are convinced that these former CW members only acted under the influence of TCW while at TCW, which indicates to me that you admit they did many things they shouldn't have while there; otherwise, what need is there for this defense?

On the other hand, those that remained at TCW are able to offer arguments and explanations for everything they've ever done, and however deranged and misguided their reasoning may at times appear, I would say that they believe at least as much of what they've publishes as the defectors believe concerning what they have published.

I wrote:Those private forums are a cesspool of plotting, scheming, betrayal, rumor mongering, false reports, false personation, intrigue, and vicious libel, and Sandy is a constant fixture in the midst of most of it. The only difference I see now is that you and she have become cordial, that you have changed for the better, and that she has actually grown worse. Her causeless venom always has been directed at us, so my perspective has remained constant, merely improved by seeing the filth unearthed from the bowels of the EZ Carwash; whereas, your perspective has been changed by your newfound relationship with her. Now if that were a valid reason to change ones opinion of another then wouldn't this have required your opinion of Alan to change when Lorraine left TAW and I agreed to host TCWL?
To which you replied:My opinion of Alan will never change. I think the worst of him that could ever possibly be thought of someone, and that simply won't change no matter what you or your wife do, who hosts his cesspit of shit, or who decides to befriend him one day. You might not realize this, but the only opinions that changed the day you joined the carwash were people's opinions of you!Here you have misunderstood my meaning. I have not called on you to change your opinion of Alan. Rather, I was demonstrating to you that your opinion of Sandy improved after she, for whatever reason, left TCW and changed her alliances. You also changed your opinion of me, without any actual knowledge or understanding of my reasons, after I agreed to host TCWL. In this way, you are insisting that the nature and extent of your opinion of TCW and Alan be accepted as absolute, but that opinion is based on your own experience, which you cannot reasonably expect to perfectly correspond with that of others.

That is not to say that I do not agree with your opinion, only that I must form my own opinions based on my own experience, not yours. You do not agree to defer to anyone else's judgement, so how can you require others to accept your conclusions in place of their own? Indeed, if I were to adopt your logic then I would project my judgments onto you now and demand that you disassociate yourself immediately from the former CW members based on my experience, and I would then judge you very harshly for not acting according to my conclusions derived from my experience, just as you have judged me whenever my actions have not conformed with your understanding and experience. Can you see that?

But I have not done this. Rather, I have only tried to reason with you, and to help you understand why we feel as we do about this pair, without ever requiring you to accept our reality in place of your own. All I have asked is that you kindly refrain from insulting us with absurd assertions that down is up, and also that you avoid defending your new friends at our expense, and on the basis of misinformation, unexamined false reports, bad guesses, wild conjecture, unfounded supposition, and wishful thinking.

I don't have a problem with you, and I hope that your new friends do not place such demands upon you that this should ever change.

[The Kings Noyse]

I like this:"A man is judged by the company he keeps." --cf The T&S Basement

[Cyber Diva]

Interesting, Sandy (Lady boardwalker) says about the Car Wash...she "was on the original Ezboard TCW. As RP said, I left two years ago, along with several others, most of whom post here now."

Wonder what their Steel Dragon posting IDs are if most of the Car Wash members are now Steel Dragon posters? Wouldn't that make the Steel Dragon more like the old Car Wash then if it's got the same posters? lol :1JerryJer

http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=2493&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80


Heartland

Dragon Heart
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Badges: 10

Re: Cit tells lots of lies at TCW

Morticia wrote:
Didn't some of you SDers used to be CWers?

And you never knew about the forum! Not saying any of you are telling untruths.


I must've missed something. What forum?

I was on the original Ezboard TCW. As RP said, I left two years ago, along with several others, most of whom post here now.

[Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:08 pm]

[Heartland]

Wonder what their Steel Dragon posting IDs are if most of the Car Wash members are now Steel Dragon posters?

I guess you'll just have to keep on wondering, since you are out of the loop everywhere.

[The Kings Noyse]

http://pixpax.com/Images/roachm.jpg

:1JerryJer :1JerryJer :1JerryJer

[The Kings Noyse]

Cliff Notes version (for those not "in the loop"): Once a Carwasher always a Carwasher.

[biondobabe]

Cliff Notes version (for those not "in the loop"): Once a Carwasher always a Carwasher.




Absolutely not true. There are a few who once realized they were being lied to by chops came to their senses and followed the light.

[The Kings Noyse]

Absolutely not true. There are a few who once realized they were being lied to by chops came to their senses and followed the light.Please do not misunderstand me, Lonake. TCW fringies, such as Tex, 3Parrots, and Targetmaster, never were "made" members, and so they never became true Carwashers. Carwashers have to "make their bones" in a variety of different ways before being allowed into the "inner sanctums." It's something like working through the 33 degress of Masonry. Tex, for example, is a thoroughly honest person who happened to believe Alan's BS about hating fraud and helping others, and he left as soon as he saw what TCW was really all about.

My statement refers to former members that may still be regarded as "carwashers" because they continue to live by the same sordid principles that guided their thinking and actions while the were active members.

I do appreciate your objection, however, because it did give me the opportunity to clarify my statement, as I wouldn't want to offend those that have managed to escape being swallowed up by the Dark Side.

[Steamcleaner]

Tex, for example, is a thoroughly honest person
I knew there must be something that I agreed with you on.

:1crazy:

[JavaNoire]

SC, I always thought so but I've had doubts since last winter. I'm very curious as to what Tex has to say concerning all that's happened. Until then, I'm in a wait*see mode. IF he ever returns to offer his opinion the very best I'll be able to think of him is that he's a befuddled fool, easily flattered(&swayed) whose reasoning is both faulty & weak. Sanctimony is not synonymous with good. He doesn't swear but his *sins* are far more grievous than profanity, IMO.

[Cyber Diva]

SC, I always thought so but I've had doubts since last winter. I'm very curious as to what Tex has to say concerning all that's happened. Until then, I'm in a wait*see mode. IF he ever returns to offer his opinion the very best I'll be able to think of him is that he's a befuddled fool, easily flattered(&swayed) whose reasoning is both faulty & weak. Sanctimony is not synonymous with good. He doesn't swear but his *sins* are far more grievous than profanity, IMO.

Is everything always about you? Tex busted your lying ass. Shall we cut and paste the proof again?

Grandma was a landlord. How does a landlord become a grandma again?

Oh yeah... did you live with grandma? Did your family live and eat at grandma's house? You really think people are stupid, huh? Guess you found out when you filed your FALSE police reports that the police certainly aren't stupid! They said you lied! You changed your libelous story. End of story. Now, quite making everything about you. You are unfit to talk about anything because you're an obsessive, libelous stalker.

Go! Be gone!!

[Cyber Diva]

I knew there must be something that I agreed with you on.

:1crazy:

LOL

Tex has very good qualities. He's also a great investigator. That's why polonsky thought he could use him. Tex actually has some good info on the evils of the Car Wash.

[Cyber Diva]

I was accused of racketeering, shilling, bid siphoning, AI, harassing phone calls & emails, threats & terrorism. :1dig:
Again, the same answer given to Sandy, will apply to the liar, libeler, stalker, harasser, and filer of FALSE police reports, JavaNoire.....and here it is:

Originally Posted by Cyber Diva

No, Sandy. YOU need to prove that these accusations exist. Why would I have to "prove" allegations I've never made? But that's what you're demanding. Many people have made general statements about the Car Wash, when you were a member, perhaps you're confused.

This is a tired old act you've been putting on now for years, falsely accusing others of having "falsely accused" you, but you've come to the end of the road with this one. If you claim that I've made allegations against you then show me where I've done that. If you can do that then I can give you the proof of any allegation I have made, because I only make true allegations. If you can't provide any proof then you need to shut up and move on to something else. You say "100 people" have seen what you claim, but all they have seen is you repeatedly posting these same old falsehoods. Over time, your lies are all that anyone can remember. You've done this to so many people before.

As you know, because you've said so yourself, the Car Wash has engaged in AI. That's no secret. It's also no secret that Polonsky had blamed you for much of it. Not I. Perhaps you're just feeling guilty by association. Perhaps that's how you're perceived.


Thank you.

[JavaNoire]

TheDiva is looking a mite greenish. Is that jealousy(of EVERYONE) or the realization they've once again got EVERYTHING hanging out & are looking more foolish with every keystroke? Both, perhaps...

Post TB's proof...Post away. He showed himself to be not only chuckleheaded but blinded by his bias. Poor Tex nearly flipped over he contorted himself so mightily trying to make sense out of (your)nonsense.

I do not owe you explanations about my family, friends & relationships. Nor would explanations penetrate those thick, wooden skulls. You seem to have neither friends nor family & can't be expected to understand.

Are you *still* lying about your reprehensible use of my name on Ross???

FTR, Ross very generously offered to remove it. As I stated when you initially posted it, I prefer the damning evidence remain. You really are that petty & that spiteful. Hell! You're such HUGE hypocrites that you brazenly lie about it although the proof is posted to this very board...

[JavaNoire]

And she quotes herself(AGAIN) as proof of what she's said. She then very graciously thanks herself. Now if she could only be half so civil to others...

[Cyber Diva]

So, you've been repeating yourself for over SIX months now, telling the same libelous tales, get real. Of course I am going to cut and paste, do you think it's easy cleaning up after all your libelous messes?

Besides, don't you ever sleep? How in the hell do you put in an honest days work?

:2slampan:

[Cyber Diva]

I do not owe you explanations about my family, friends & relationships.

Of course you don't. What is wrong with you. You need your head examined.

You have been speculating about my family, friends, and relationships and libeling them for nearly four years. What gives you the right to do that? When will you stop?

:2slampan:

[JavaNoire]

Exactly what have I said about Diva's family friends relationships? Beyond MrDiva, she doesn't appear to have anyone. Sooo what & where are these libelous lies that span 4yrs?

[Cyber Diva]

You seem to have neither friends nor family & can't be expected to understand.

I missed this before, :2slampan:

[JavaNoire]

OhMy...She is now making my sleeping habits her business...& pushing her (unwelcome)snout into my workplace...These concerns are NOT her business. Such base intrusions into my personal life are inappropriate & unwelcome.

[The Kings Noyse]

Exactly what have I said about Diva's family friends relationships? Beyond MrDiva, she doesn't appear to have anyone. Sooo what & where are these libelous lies that span 4yrs?Start here: Link (http://networkstalking.org/wordpress/2006/08/25/notice-to-cease-and-desist-jacinta-quijana/)

[Heartland]

LOL, is anyone even bothering to click on the links to their stalking website? Who in their right mind would want to see even more of the tag-teaming Divas in action? :rolleyes:

[kim]

snout...

- i love that word...!

:1rotfl2:

[Cyber Diva]

On 09-19-2006, 07:51 PM at TRS: Sandy says....

"Ross, some of us would really appreciate it if you didn't let Diva derail this thread in her usual manner. Thanks."

http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=116040&postcount=38

[quote]

Yet, when Sandy was first asked about the Cit matter, here was her comment on Monday, Sep 18, 2006 8:13 am although it had nothing to do with me:

http://steeldragon.640k.net/viewtopic.php?t=2493&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

[quote]
Heartland

Dragon Heart
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Badges: 10

Cit tells lots of lies at TCW

I've got to run out for awhile, but while I'm gone, would someone wrestle Cit's body away from Diva and give it back to Cit, please? It appears that Cit has been possessed by the spirit of crazy Diva.


At the Ross Show, at Steel Dragon, at eBay's Trust & Safety, and also at The Car Wash (EZ board archives), Sandy claimed countless people were crazy, or lying, or falsely accusing her of something.

A search at boards where Sandy's posted to, will show her obsessive use of those words describing others as crazy, or as liars; ever wonder why she does that as much as Polonsky?

Sandy doesn't stop there. Sand's instructed others to file FALSE police reports about board matters; she even instructed those who were selected to file the FALSE police reports, on what was best to say, in order to be "believable."

It's all there in the archived records.
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Sandy instructs Ross, "Ross, some of us would really appreciate it if you didn't let Diva derail this thread in her usual manner. (Wonder if Sandy's ever taken the time to count the number of posts her and her Car Wash associates have made at TRS wherein they'd derailed a thread, and made it about me? Nah, didn't think so...... :1angelica

http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=116040&postcount=38



Thread: Cit reverts to her CAR WASHING Ways

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09-19-2006, 07:51 PM

Heartland
Rossite Priestess

Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,218

This thread is about Cit's betrayal of an entire board, not about Crazy Diva and her conspiracy theories. She has several of her own threads in the Bad Things (how appropriate) forum.

Ross, some of us would really appreciate it if you didn't let Diva derail this thread in her usual manner. Thanks.
__________________
~Sandy

[Cyber Diva]

This thread is about Cit's betrayal of an entire board, not about Crazy Diva and her conspiracy theories. She has several of her own threads in the Bad Things (how appropriate) forum.

Ross, some of us would really appreciate it if you didn't let Diva derail this thread in her usual manner. Thanks.

http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=116040&postcount=38




It's important to note that it was Sandy, and her Car Wash associate, the libeler, and filer of false police reports, JavaNoire, who'd authored more than "several" of the threads, in public, which Ross was kind enough to move to "Bad Bad Things." It's no surprise that Sandy chose to mislead her audience, once again.

Sandy, please get back to telling us more about what you posted about yesterday regarding your instructions to another lady, on how to file a misleading police report in order to be believed. You instructed her on what to do about taking board matters into the real world, remember Sandy?

:1evil2:

[Cyber Diva]

OhMy...She is now making my sleeping habits her business...& pushing her (unwelcome)snout into my workplace...These concerns are NOT her business. Such base intrusions into my personal life are inappropriate & unwelcome.


You have made four years of posts regarding my business, pushing your unwelcomed snout into my workplace. You've libeled me and my family and also my friends, and you've recruited others to join your cause. It's not been the other way around.

The fact that you post to these boards until all hours of the night, yet roll into work the next morning is more than concerning!! You work for OUR government. How do you give an honest days work with no sleep? How do you work get any work done at all, with such a degraded consciousness? :2gamecock

[JavaNoire]

I don't even know where the deluded ninny's workplace is. As far as I know she has neither friends nor family beyond MrDiva. I am most emphatically NOT making her personal life my business.

Their manic C&P of ancient posts drawn from eBay JGW, eBay T&S, TCW, AW/RJ, SD & ePinions have established nothing but their own rabid nosey insistence on knowing allll they can about me & similar victims of their malignant obsessions.

Ooooohhh, I loved my dog. Now there is some heavy duty use it BIG damning evidence that must be maximally*exploited, DoNotLetItGetAway. Flipping loons.

[Cyber Diva]

I don't even know where the deluded ninny's workplace is.
Yet you contributed countless posts to the threads at the Car Wash about our business, and workplace, as well as the eBay boards. Those Car Wash records were republished by Polonsky in May of 2006, perhaps you didn't notice that he'd done do.

As far as I know she has neither friends nor family beyond MrDiva.
How would you know if I had any family aside from my spouse? Did you pull my background record, or is this just more of your obsessive speculation into my private affairs?

I am most emphatically NOT making her personal life my business.
A simple search on eBay and at The Car Wash shows you've made over 1000 posts about my personal life and business.

Their manic C&P of ancient posts drawn from eBay JGW, eBay ...

Cut and paste are needed to provide objective people with the proof of your libelous statements and years of harassment and stalking.

Ooooohhh, I loved my dog.
No comment was made about your dog, other than condolences for your loss, one time, and you know it, liar libeler, filer of false police reports JavaNoire.

[JavaNoire]

Once again they are madly tripping over their own rapidly mounting lies.

Nope. I have NO idea what friends or family theDivas have(or don't have). Nor do I care b/c I am NOT going to call their friends & family...Not gonna contact their employers with a packet of malignant lies. Hell, I'm gracious enough I wouldn't even send 'em the C&P horror show they've constructed that shows how utterly crazed & how deeply depraved they are.

MrDiva made numerous taunting remarks about my feelings for Cochise. Why lie about it? He made them around the time theDivas were busily posting my name & location on Ross. (Which is something else they NOW lie about. How (NOT)surprising is that?)

[Cyber Diva]

Once again they are madly tripping over their own rapidly mounting lies.
Shall we do a search to see how often you've falsely accused others of lying, you libeler, filer of false reports....JavaNoire the lazy-ass who never provides an ounce of proof!!!!



http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=116809&postcount=270

What an unprincipled human being you are, Sandy. The phrase "miserable, delusional, obssessive existence" certainly defines yours. The idea that such a reprobate as yourself would presume to speak in judgement concerning the character of others pushes farther the limits even of your legendary hypocrisy.

A quick search of that cesspit known as TCW1 (EZ) has you referring to other people as "crazy," "loony," "zany," "demented," "insane," and "nuts" a total of 3,269 times. This does not include your prolific bellowing at SD, TRS, eBay, or elsewhere, which would certainly push the number well past 10,000.

Clearly, you're in need of some new material, because this tired, old "you're crazy" crutch of a schtick has been so overused so often for every occasion for so many years it absolutely has no meaning whatsoever, except, perhaps, to sugget your own senility. Indeed, you're causing an image to form in my mind of a very large, white-haired old woman, sitting in a rocking chair with her knitting needles, babbling mindlessly about "proof!" and accusing everyone that's ever disagreed with her on the Internet as being "confounded insane crazy loons!" in a feeble but shrewish old biddy's voice. Not a pretty picture.:1bonk1:

[The Kings Noyse]

That's just it: We haven't lied. Not even once, and we've got the records to prove it.

You, on the other hand, say precious little that isn't false.

You don't like us, and we don't like you. Just stay away from us. That's all we've ever demanded from you.

[Cyber Diva]

Not gonna contact their employers with a packet of malignant lies.

As you well know, we own our companies, and you posted about our businesses in 2003 at the Car Wash, and on the eBay's discussion forums where you used eBay's "member to member" communication system to enlist new recruits into your dark cause, of anonymously libeling, and harassing us, according to eBay archived records.

Why do you insist on misleading people over here at The Ross Show, JavaNoire? :1apileoff

Do you think that little of people that you repeatedly LIE to them? (Wonder what you would teach children about LYING? Hmmmm?)

For your information, here's a search stat on your libeler, advisor of filing FALSE police reports concerning run of the mill "board snots" Sandy....you're record will be posted shortly.


----------------------------


http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=116809&postcount=270

What an unprincipled human being you are, Sandy. The phrase "miserable, delusional, obssessive existence" certainly defines yours. The idea that such a reprobate as yourself would presume to speak in judgement concerning the character of others pushes farther the limits even of your legendary hypocrisy.

A quick search of that cesspit known as TCW1 (EZ) has you referring to other people as "crazy," "loony," "zany," "demented," "insane," and "nuts" a total of 3,269 times. This does not include your prolific bellowing at SD, TRS, eBay, or elsewhere, which would certainly push the number well past 10,000.

Clearly, you're in need of some new material, because this tired, old "you're crazy" crutch of a schtick has been so overused so often for every occasion for so many years it absolutely has no meaning whatsoever, except, perhaps, to sugget your own senility. Indeed, you're causing an image to form in my mind of a very large, white-haired old woman, sitting in a rocking chair with her knitting needles, babbling mindlessly about "proof!" and accusing everyone that's ever disagreed with her on the Internet as being "confounded insane crazy loons!" in a feeble but shrewish old biddy's voice. Not a pretty picture.:1bonk1:

[JavaNoire]

Stay away from us bleats the twit*wit...

I have NEVER dug up crap they've posted on board after board after board. Prior to their maniacal C&P frenzy did ANYONE even know I'd posted to ePinions?

I have not used their IDs in my eBay FB!

I have not called their family & friends(underaged & dying, no less!)

I have NOT contacted their employers with a motley concoction of LIES.

I have NOT posted their names, location & employer to hell & back. (My full name was posted on Ross though they've LIED about that too)

Yet he has the unholy HYPOCRITICAL nerve to whiiiine stay away from us...

OhBleedinJesus. The Divas need to follow their own advice!

[The Kings Noyse]

Why list the things that allegedly you haven't done?

How about the long list of things you have done? Like here (http://networkstalking.org/wordpress/2006/08/31/javanoire-victim-warns-next-victim/) and here (http://networkstalking.org/wordpress/2006/08/25/notice-to-cease-and-desist-jacinta-quijana/).

[Cyber Diva]

I have NEVER dug up crap they've posted on board after board after board.

Shall we pull the Steel Dragon board first, or the Car Wash again to prove you a damn liar, AGAIN!!!!!

Prior to their maniacal C&P frenzy did ANYONE even know I'd posted to ePinions?
No one cares. Who do you think cares about you and your poor me sham?

:1apileoff


I have not used their IDs in my eBay FB!
So what? You lied to the police, you are a stalker, and a libeler.

I have not called their family & friends(underaged & dying, no less!)

OMG! :1apileoff

I have NOT contacted their employers with a motley concoction of LIES.
OMG! I am going to GAG on the dishonesty of that statement.
:1barf1:

I have NOT posted their names, location & employer to hell & back. (My full name was posted on Ross though they've LIED about that too)
You libeled us after you were properly served a cease & desist notice. You continued to use the internet to recruit innocent dupes into your dark cause, therefore, the lawfully served cease & desist notice was published on August 25, 2006, after we learned from the police what was in your libelous false police reports. The police said you were interviewed by three different officers and that you changed your story, "tripped up" and that you were a liar. End of Story.

If your employer has followed up and asked us to provided them with additional information about this matter, they did so after speaking to the police. We did not initiate any contact after the c&d. Get used to it. You brought this upon yourself. You're an evil, deranged stalker. And we've asked you to stop, but you won't. So here we are, dealing with your internet messes.

:1evil2:

[agentorange]

This same post appears on more than one thread how come thank you goodbye

[Cyber Diva]

This same post appears on more than one thread how come thank you goodbye

Did mildred ask that or you? rotflol.

:1rotflmao

Well, probably posts are on more than one thread because someone is spamming the boards with their same libelous tales, and, it's a big fat job cleaning up after their sloppy, poopy messes. :1apileoff

[Steamcleaner]

Well, probably posts are on more than one thread because someone is spamming the boards with their same libelous tales, and, it's a big fat job cleaning up after their sloppy, poopy messes.
There you go, a second statement I can agree with TheDivas on, although I suppose we differ on who is doing the pooping.

:1apileoff

[Cyber Diva]

There you go, a second statement I can agree with TheDivas on, although I suppose we differ on who is doing the pooping.

:1apileoff

Steamcleaner, we've allowed JavaNoire to continue for SEVEN more months, posting libel about us, and we did absolutely nothing about it until August 25, 2006, and you call that pooping?

Educate yourself before you speak on behalf of JavaNoire, please, as it relates to me.

[Cyber Diva]

There you go, a second statement I can agree with TheDivas on, although I suppose we differ on who is doing the pooping.

:1apileoff

Steamcleaner, perhaps you might find more info in this thread started by Powerhouse, although I have a feeling you know both JavaNoire and the little confusers-FOD character, anyway: :2gamecock

http://www.therossshow.com/showthread.php?p=117012#post117012



That is Chops, PH.

Also from "Bad Things"



Stop playing the semantics game, Aaron. It's a stalking website. Not an anti-stalking. And what gives you the right to own an "anti" anything when you yourself continue to post people's names, address, phone #s, personal conversations, etc. You libel people everyday by your very actions against innocent people. Have you ever stopped to consider the consequences of your actions, bozo? :2slampan:

Stop playing the personation game, Confusers-FOD?, you must have attended the original Car Wash seminar where one was taught the art of false personation, huh Grandslam, FOD? :confused:

Here is a former CW instructor giving advice on just how on can "work wonders" while creating false personation, etc.


“If you do use another ID “out there,” you’ll need to try to disguise your writing. A couple of hard returns after each sentence or two will work wonders, as well as using a lot of emoticons in your sentences, both at the end and in the middle. You can even use a different typeface and color, like Anam Cara does! *wink*”-Sandy: eBay’s Heartland :irollers4
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And, there’s more… Here the same poster coaches the witness and tells her how to lie to the Police to obtain the desired result:

Posted by Lady Boardwalker aka Heartland on 4/4/04 at 5:28 PM

[LadyJane] one more thing … you need to impress upon the police that you FEAR for the safety of yourself and your family. Don’t just tell them you’re pissed or tired of it, let them know you are afraid of Cartman and the other crazies that he pals around with. Give them the link to RJ so they can read for themselves what goes on there.

Leave no stone unturned … give them every bit of information you have on Cartman, his website, RJ, and it probably wouldn’t hurt to give them a link to The Divide, as well, since I’m sure a lot of Cartman’s plotting takes place on that board. I think Prickles and Cartman run that board.

So the Car Washer is providing full details on how to invade an eBay member’s privacy to obtain confidential contact information under false pretenses, without risking detection, when the serious task for the Washers was to facilitate the filing of a bogus Police report. No wonder JavaNoire thought nothing of filing a series of FALSE police reports. She'd attended the same seminar, evidently. :rolleyes:

[kim]

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[The Kings Noyse]

This same post appears on more than one thread how come thank you goodbyeI'm just making a wild guess here, but it might have something to do with the fact that about 5 different threads were started by these people at about the same time and for the same purpose, which was to harass and to troll Diva and I. Funny how no one has noticed that.

[The Kings Noyse]

...in addition to turning other threads into bashfests against us, and generally attacking us with the same garbage whenever we try to speak on any topic, like this ditz ramona has been doing.

I think that about covers it.

[Steamcleaner]

Steamcleaner, we've allowed JavaNoire to continue for SEVEN more months, posting libel about us, and we did absolutely nothing about it until August 25, 2006, and you call that pooping?

Educate yourself before you speak on behalf of JavaNoire, please, as it relates to me.
You have allowed? What control do you feel that you have over free speech? Posting the truth is not libel. You call your posts truth, I disagree with your definition. You call anything posted against you libel, I also disagree with that.

I knew of and about you before I ever encountered Java on these boards. My opinion of you was never good, every post you have made here has dropped that opinion a little further.

btw: I like Ramona too.

[Cyber Diva]

Fairshare, I am not playing games with you anymore. Go sell crazy some place else. You had the bash board with Javanoire and peeep so you are far from impartial. Did you think I didn't know? :1bonk1:

[RunFaYaLife]

When the Diva'a show up on a board it's like water torture.

http://i10.tinypic.com/4hur98o.jpg

[Cyber Diva]

:1liar3: aka Fairshare, aka Purple Ape :1liar3:

Here's some reading material for you Steamcleaner, next time you want to pretend that you're just forming an opinion over here, or that you are somehow new to the situation....

btw: I like Ramona too.

Oh hell, just quit acting like you're just meeting this ramonaleona too, for the first time; here you are under your other ID (fairshare) trolling around with her in 2004.... :2slampan:


01-01-2006, 04:24 PM
This is funny...

Steamcleaner (http://www.therossshow.com/member.php?userid=366),

aka Fairshare, aka Purple Ape, registered last night at the Dross Hole so he could address a post to 0C (http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=90141&postcount=146) at The Carwash Live. :lolIf OC really wants all this cross board banter to stop, he should quit posting for a few days. You can control it OC, only you.

Kind of ironic, that he saw fit to join a board where 0C had ceased posting, in order to lecture him about engaging in "cross board banter"...



03-02-2005

Quote:
"When Stormy Summer came to your support, when I was complaining about the roy.jpg hosted on your web site, was that you chopsbuster?
Simple yes/no answer would be appreciated."



http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:TbM3l2hMWPYJ:p088.ezboard.com/bbruvworld.viewMyCommunityChestContributions+EZ+bo ard+peeep+fairshare&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Oh hell, it's no surprise you like ramonaleona, you've been traveling around the net with her since before 2004. Dumbass. :1bonk1:



9/18/05 1:33:26 am Purchased "Gold Community - 12 months" for $77.00
9/18/05 1:33:26 am Deposit: $10.00 by: bigbruvofenglanduk
7/10/05 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $30.00 by: bigbruvofenglanduk
7/8/05 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $15.00 by: alexis99
7/3/05 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $21.00 by: anonymous contribution
12/18/04 12:00:00 pm Purchased "" for $-41.00
11/27/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $10.00 by: peeep
11/25/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $20.00 by: anonymous contribution
<b>9/2/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $10.00 by: ramonaleona
7/22/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $10.00 by: fairshare</b>
6/23/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $15.00 by: alexis99
6/23/04 12:00:00 pm Purchased "" for $-30.00
6/18/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $5.00 by: gtmcfarland
6/1/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $10.00 by: anonymous contribution
3/12/04 12:00:00 pm Deposit: $9.95 by: bigbruvofenglanduk
3/12/04 12:00:00 pm Purchased "" for $-9.95
1/1/04 12:00:00 pm Adjustment: $161.90 by: Adjusted Balance


On and on, Fairshare, you're just more eBay trash according to Steven DeMello. Go ahead, search the records...you're big trap's been all over the net. By the way, speech isn't free when it's libelous.

[kim]

um - yeah - so...?

[Cyber Diva]

um - yeah - so...?
So he's not a newbie to the story, is he? In fact, neither are you. :1apileoff

He's a BASH player pretending to be something he's not, impartial. I played along for awhile but he only became more pretentious. That's unacceptable. Shame on him. :sm1132:

[kim]

nope - i am definitely not a newbie - banish the very thought - and - i've never claimed to be one either - again - so...?

steamcleaner is a friend of mine - i've known him for several years - i know him under another id as well - again - so...?

- so really what the fuck business is it of yours you fucking busybody...?

[JavaNoire]

You're right. Completely. As usual;)

[Steamcleaner]

Where do you come up with some of your statements Diva? I never claimed to be new to this situation, in fact this piece of my above post..
I knew of and about you before I ever encountered Java on these boards. My opinion of you was never good, every post you have made here has dropped that opinion a little further.
...should have made it clear to anyone that just the opposite was true.

I kind of liked your husband on T&S but you were always crazy.


:sm1167:

[Cyber Diva]

See crazy Jack Nicholson.... lol

http://p088.ezboard.com/ufairshare.showPublicProfile

[biondobabe]

I'm just making a wild guess here, but it might have something to do with the fact that about 5 different threads were started by these people at about the same time and for the same purpose, which was to harass and to troll Diva and I. Funny how no one has noticed that.



Well art diva jumped her ass in about 3 off them that had nothing to do with her. UGH! :sm1194:

[Steamcleaner]

I kind of liked your husband on T&S but you were always crazy.

You just keep proving it. :2headspin

[Cyber Diva]

You just keep proving it. :2headspin

No, actually you just keep proving how much you are like libeler, liar Sandy, who calls everyone crazy.

The Car Wash search results showed your partner-in-libel, Sandy, calling others crazy over three thousand times. It's libel but it's also a crutch for an ignorant or lazy person who can't describe people accurately. You are only showing your ignorance, when you follow in her footsteps so, have at it, big boy. :2gamecock

[Cyber Diva]

:1th_drum: Lifted this cool post from TAW: Re: A problem at Steel Dragon? Cit says so! :1th_drum:

Someone LIED about Heartland, AGAIN? :rolleyes: "Maybe in your world people let you get away with sleazy behavior like that. That’s not how we do things in my world, though."


http://www.theauctionwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3725&page=7&pp=25


September 26, 2006, 08:48 AM

Heartland Antiques
Youngling

Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 92
Rep Power: 21

Re: A problem at Steel Dragon? Cit says so!
Quote:
It doesn’t matter what we’re verifying. The problem is HA is trying to bully me into divulging information from a private forum. Again, HA, I say to you using your own words at other boards, “I have to answer you exactly why”? I don’t plan to divulge information from a private forum. You figure out what that means, I think you believe you’re smart enough to do so.

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What kind of BULLSHIT is that? I’m bullying you? You LIED about me, and you expect me to just take it with no response? You should know me better than that by now. Maybe in your world people let you get away with sleazy behavior like that. That’s not how we do things in my world, though.

You wouldn’t be divulging anything but your own words. Each person involved would be divulging their own words and nothing more.

I believe my, RP’s, Cit’s, and your posts will prove beyond a doubt that you and Cit have lied about this entire fiasco. If you believe they won’t prove it, then you should have no problem agreeing to publicize them.

You thought you would get away with a private smear campaign. When that didn’t work out quite the way you planned, you thought a sour grapes public smear campaign against RP and me was in order, and you thought you’d get away with that, too. Your scheme to run several members off the board didn’t work, so you both decided you’d try to hurt the entire SD membership and put her board in jeopardy with outlandish lies about her admin activities.

What I’m “smart enough to figure out” is that you and Cit are quaking at the thought of, once again, being proven liars. If you weren’t, you’d have no problem owning your words on this subject.

As it stands, you do not want the truth to come out, and now everyone knows that. Case closed.


"Case closed"? :irollers4