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Kevin_T
01-11-2007, 05:45 AM
From the Ebay announcement board:
January 10, 2007 | 09:02AM PST/PT


Rob Chesnut
Hello...This is Rob Chesnut, eBay's Senior Vice President of Trust & Safety. I've been working with my partner at PayPal, Dan Levy, Senior Director of Consumer Protection, on a joint effort to increase the protection we offer buyers on eBay. Buyer Protection is important to the Community – buyers and sellers alike – because the confidence and trust that buyers have in transacting on eBay fuels the whole marketplace.

As you know, we've built our Online Dispute Resolution system to ensure that buyers and sellers get the opportunity to work things out before a dispute results in a claim. But when a buyer is making the critical decision whether or not to place a bid or buy an item, just knowing up front that there is protection answers the "what if" questions – this peace of mind gives buyers the confidence they need to choose eBay, especially when buying more expensive items.

To help increase buyer trust on eBay, next week we will be expanding coverage on eBay.com in the U.S. and eBay Canada on items paid for with PayPal in these ways:


PayPal will be offering $200 of protection with NO processing fee on ALL PayPal transactions for tangible goods in the U.S (excluding Live Auctions and vehicles). In Canada, all PayPal transactions for tangible goods will be covered up to $315 CA. PayPal is offered on over 95% of listings in the U.S., so buyers can choose to be protected on the vast majority of listings. There is no processing fee, no minimum purchase price, and no seller requirements.

PayPal Buyer Protection will be increased to cover up to $2,000 for tangible items listed by qualified sellers in the U.S. This is a huge increase in coverage for high-end items being bought and sold on eBay. It doubles the current $1,000 coverage offered for tangible items listed by qualified sellers. And over 75% of listings in the US qualify. Note: in Canada, tangible items listed by qualified sellers will be covered for up to $2,000 CA.
Qualified items will clearly indicate the amount of coverage available on the item page. This means that buyers will know – right at the time they are making their buying decisions – that they are covered if they pay with PayPal.

There is one more important change we'll be making at eBay. Beginning next week, eBay will discontinue the eBay Standard Purchase Protection Program (SPPP) in the U.S. and Canada.

This program, which was established in 1999 before eBay acquired PayPal, has covered all eBay transactions, except for items paid for with cash or instant money transfer services, for up to $200 minus a $25 processing fee. In the early days of eBay, the program served an important function, providing some measure of purchase protection for paper transactions (cashier’s checks, money orders and personal checks) that constituted the bulk of eBay transactions. The time and costs associated with verifying a dwindling number of non-PayPal paper claims, however, has led to a poor user experience. Buyers also expressed frustration with the $25 processing fee.

But there's another issue with SPPP that becomes more important as eBay grows. From a risk management and fraud prevention perspective, SPPP is flawed, because it offers coverage on the riskiest payment methods. This is clearly not in the best interests of the marketplace long-term.

While eBay has established an Accepted Payments policy and we do allow other established payment methods on the site, one thing is true - PayPal is a safe way to pay on eBay. PayPal enables eBay members to shop without sharing their financial information with sellers, and PayPal's sophisticated fraud prevention mechanisms are eBay's best defense against internet fraud. We want to build on this solid foundation. These changes in our protection programs are important in our efforts to encourage safer transactions, improve customer satisfaction, and provide more coverage for more transactions than we can today.

These changes to the protection we offer buyers are important to the future health of our marketplace and the growth of our sellers' businesses. We'll be answering questions about these changes in an upcoming workshop, so please stay tuned for the date and time.

Sincerely,

Rob Chesnut
Senior Vice President, Global eBay Trust & Safety

Bolding is mine, but Rob Chestnut did make a point of bolding "PayPal is a safe way to pay on eBay" on the original announcement....

How many buyers think that PayPal is free insurance?

Kevin

Toy Ranch
01-11-2007, 07:29 AM
As a buyer, if I'm wanting an item from a seller with somewhat questionable feedback (I'm not talking about BAD feedback, just less-than-stellar) I will usually bid if they take PayPal, but not if they don't.

On the insurance question...

I bought an item off eBay a few months ago and paid with PayPal. The price was $200, and another $30 for shipping. Being familiar with shipping rates I knew that to send the item in it's manufacturer box would cost about $15, but to send it overpacked and shipped safely would cost $30 or so. The seller had what I would call stellar feedback and a lot of experience, so I felt comfortable that they would pack it correctly, however I reminded them when I sent payment that the manufacturer box was not adequate for safe shipping.

Seller shipped the item without overpacking the box, and the item arrived in pieces. I emailed the seller several times and they were unresponsive. The I tried to call them and their phone number registered with eBay was disconnected. I negged them and filed a claim with PayPal. This previously unresponsive seller suddenly had time to reply, but through the PayPal claim discussion they were evasive and then told some outright lies that were impossible to have even occurred. PayPal saw through that and refunded my money.

UPS denied their claim, stating that the item was not packed well enough. This is the most common outcome for claims presented to UPS and FedEx, by far. You can pay the insurance, but unless they LOSE the item, they almost certainly aren't going to pay unless the box was run over by a truck and you can prove it. USPS is pretty much the same. Buying insurance isn't worth much of anything, while PayPal will enforce reasonable behavior from sellers.

Kevin_T
01-11-2007, 07:58 AM
Oddly, Toy, the two items that were claimed as damaged to American buyers were paid out promptly at the American end (the full paperwork goes on the parcel for international shipping, and the buyer can present that paperwork to their post office with the parcel and an auction print out) - both of those were over 6 years ago.

The couple of lost items that I had at the same time, were long and drawn out procedures handled from this end (there is no tracking on International transactions, so I understand the wariness of Australia Post fearing a scam). The process took more than 6 months to complete, and during the process, Australia Post would send a form that had to be filled in if you wanted to continue with the claim.

International postage has been more reliable since 9/11, as I have not had any claims since that time, and there is virtually no slowing of postage over Christmas since then (but the speed into Italy and France from Australia can be delayed inexplicably any time of the year). I did lose three letter sized envelopes into the UK in 2005, all were stiffened containing postcards or small photographs - I suspect that someone in the postal system in the UK knocked them off thinking that the stiffened envelopes probably contained cash - those were small amounts and not insured, I paid out the buyers after a month (to allow for slow delivery).

Since I started to take PayPal most buyers no longer take insurance even on high value items - they seem to view it as free insurance.

Kind Regards, Kevin

Toy Ranch
01-11-2007, 08:31 AM
both of those were over 6 years ago.



The claims landscape was very different 6 years ago from what it is today.

The other side of that is that I've never received an item that was damaged where I felt the seller did an adequate packing job to prevent the damage, and I would not expect a claim to be paid by insurance in that case. I've received probably 20-30 damaged items and in almost every case the seller declined to refund, deferred to the insurance, insurance was refused, and I either lost out due to the seller's poor shipping skills and refusal to accept responsibility, or was refunded by PayPal when they stepped in. In fact, out of all of those, perhaps 3 were cases where the seller accepted responsibility.

Given my experience, if you were me (as a buyer), would you pay for insurance?