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06-26-2007, 10:32 AM
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Ms. Chocolate Apr-20-07 12:37 AM
Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
McNeil and Merisant battle over Splenda in court http://www.confectionerynews.com/news/ng.asp?n=75777&m=2cne419&c=gsyaklcnccnokeh
Quote:
Merisant, the maker of Equal and NutraSweet, is alleging that McNeil Nutrtitionals and its parent company Johnson & Johnson have purposefully confused consumers over whether Splenda is natural.
The marketing slogan for the product - 'Made from sugar so it tastes like sugar' - is being used to deliberately make consumers believe that the artificial sweetener contains sugar, according to Merisant.
This is separate from the sugar industry's lawsuit, which is also about the slogan 'Made from sugar so it tastes like sugar'.
Ms. C.
goodworks1 Apr-20-07 06:43 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Boy, that's confusing. I don't understand any of it.
(But then I don't use any artificial sweeteners any more, so maybe that's it. But even so... Dana, do you know more about this?)
mommygonecrazy Apr-20-07 05:30 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
I have to say I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar, and I NEVER believed it had sugar in it, just that it had been made FROM sugar. I like it(Splenda) a heck of a lot more than the others, it has no aftertaste like the others.
ddhafe Apr-20-07 05:45 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
I like Splenda also but was always confused by that statement.
Ms. Chocolate Apr-21-07 12:27 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Boy, that's confusing. I don't understand any of it.
(But then I don't use any artificial sweeteners any more, so maybe that's it. But even so... Dana, do you know more about this?)
gw1, I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but let's give it a shot.
Quote:
Manufactured by UK-based Tate & Lyle, the Splenda brand sucralose ingredient is made using sugar as a base product. The firm's patented process replaces three hydrogenoxygen groups on the sugar molecule with chlorine atoms, which results in a sweetener 600 times more intense that sugar. Because sucralose is not recognized by the body as digestible it has zero calories.
So they start with sugar, but they're actually changing the sugar molecule into something very different, by replacing "hydrogenoxygen groups" (not sure what those are... presumably a piece of a molecule with hydrogen & oxygen atoms) with CHLORINE atoms.
So it isn't sugar anymore. And it isn't crystal anymore, according to a customer support person from the company I spoke with a few years back. It's a liquid 600 times sweeter than sugar. They add "bulking agents" to make it look like sugar crystals in the little yellow packets. The ingredients read "DEXTROSE, MALTODEXTRIN, SUCRALOSE". Sucralose, listed last, is the sweetener in Splenda.
But there's enough confusion over the process and similar appearance that both the sugar industry and the makers of other sweeteners feel threatened.
I've experienced the confusion first-hand. Customers often ask me to make a favorite candy with Splenda. They don't realize that Splenda doesn't act like sugar when cooked (soft-ball stage etc.). Splenda does have an advantage over most other artificial sweeteners in that it won't lose it's sweetness when cooked, which means with a little bit of understanding you can bake with it.
Did I answer the question?
Ms. C.
goodworks1 Apr-21-07 06:46 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
...let's give it a shot.
A very good shot indeed! Thank you!
It's been a lot of years since I studied this stuff. But, yes, now it's sorta' coming back....
I wonder...when you bake with sucralose does it brown like sugar? I"m talking about wheat batters and doughs.
CHLORINE?!! :eek:
I think my body will continue to be better off WITHOUT any of the three artificial sweeteners... :)
Thanks again for the info!
loveofpast Apr-21-07 06:56 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
The only one I like at all is Sugar Twin and it's getting hard to find.
goodworks1 Apr-21-07 06:58 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Originally Posted by loveofpast (Post 467312)
The only one I like at all is Sugar Twin and it's getting hard to find.
What is the sweetener in Sugar Twin?
goodworks1 Apr-21-07 06:59 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Splenda = sucralose
Nutrasweet = aspartame
Equal =
Sugar Twin =
Which one is saccharin?
Meya Apr-21-07 07:03 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
I think Sweet & Low is saccharin.
Splenda is the only one I can stand, but I don't use it very often. The other ones leave an aftertaste.
loveofpast Apr-21-07 07:04 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
What is the sweetener in Sugar Twin?
The package says it is ideal for baking (haven't tried it) and measures like sugar, cup for cup.
Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Sodium Saccharin, Calcium Chloride; Contains 3.71% Saccharin. Each Level Teaspoon contains 14.8 mg of Saccharin. Contains Nutritive and Non-Nutritive Sweeteners.
I have no clue what all that means. Fortunately, we have no food allergies so I don't know if the ingredients would cause problems for anyone.
Cassie Apr-21-07 02:38 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms. Chocolate (Post 467288)
gw1, I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but let's give it a shot.
So they start with sugar, but they're actually changing the sugar molecule into something very different, by replacing "hydrogenoxygen groups" (not sure what those are... presumably a piece of a molecule with hydrogen & oxygen atoms) with CHLORINE atoms.
So it isn't sugar anymore. And it isn't crystal anymore, according to a customer support person from the company I spoke with a few years back. It's a liquid 600 times sweeter than sugar. They add "bulking agents" to make it look like sugar crystals in the little yellow packets. The ingredients read "DEXTROSE, MALTODEXTRIN, SUCRALOSE". Sucralose, listed last, is the sweetener in Splenda.
But there's enough confusion over the process and similar appearance that both the sugar industry and the makers of other sweeteners feel threatened.
I've experienced the confusion first-hand. Customers often ask me to make a favorite candy with Splenda. They don't realize that Splenda doesn't act like sugar when cooked (soft-ball stage etc.). Splenda does have an advantage over most other artificial sweeteners in that it won't lose it's sweetness when cooked, which means with a little bit of understanding you can bake with it.
Did I answer the question?
Ms. C.
The human body has a difficult time processing and purging chlorine so if Splenda is ingested on a regular basis, chlorine will build up in your system (not a good idea).
Ms. Chocolate Apr-21-07 10:03 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
I wonder...when you bake with sucralose does it brown like sugar? I"m talking about wheat batters and doughs.
Not sure but I don't think so. The brown probably comes from the sugar caramelizing, one of the things Splenda won't do. I think there's a product out now that's part Splenda & part sugar, to help get the browning.
Ms. C.
Cassie Apr-22-07 12:18 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassie (Post 467350)
The human body has a difficult time processing and purging chlorine so if Splenda is ingested on a regular basis, chlorine will build up in your system (not a good idea).
I just wanted to add a personal note. My sister was having chronic joint and muscular pains. The doctors couldn't figure out what caused it.
On a visit to my house she mentioned that she was using Splenda on everything everyday. I told her what I had read bout the chlorine thing and she quit consuming it on everything. Within a couple of weeks all her joint and muscular pains went away. That was about a year ago.
Now she uses it occasionally, but not constantly and is doing fine.
Even she says that she balked at the internet reports on the chlorine problems but is now a true believer from personal experience.
It's the same as mercury in tuna fed to a small animal (Mercury is another element that the body has a hard time breaking down and purging). We humans can handle the mercury in tuna better than cats can (given the size differential). Feed a cat tuna too often and they will eventually die of heightened mercury content in their system. (my cat loves tuna, but we only give her one small can of chunk light tuna packed in water once a week, checked for bones [and we do find bones occasionally, so please look for them if you feed tuna to your pets] it's her treat).
Ms. Chocolate May-11-07 11:41 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
The makers of Equal prevail over the makers of Splenda, at least in France.
Commercial Court of Paris Rules Splenda Advertising Misleading http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-10-2007/0004586053&EDATE=
Ms. C.
Ms. Chocolate May-14-07 11:27 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Splenda's manufacturer has settled out of court in the US.
Splenda settles with Equal over claims http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070512/ap_on_bi_ge/splenda_lawsuit_9
Quote:
The active ingredient in Splenda starts as pure cane sugar but is chemically altered to create a compound that contains no calories, according to McNeil. The final product contains no sugar.
The one-month trial focused mostly on Splenda's advertising slogan, but it ended in a settlement after the jury announced it had reached a verdict.
Settlement talks began after jurors asked the judge for a calculator and expert reports from both sides on how to determine damages. Lawyers rushed to the judge's office to try to delay the jury's announcement and then huddled in a courthouse meeting room.
Ms. C.
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Ms. Chocolate Apr-20-07 12:37 AM
Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
McNeil and Merisant battle over Splenda in court http://www.confectionerynews.com/news/ng.asp?n=75777&m=2cne419&c=gsyaklcnccnokeh
Quote:
Merisant, the maker of Equal and NutraSweet, is alleging that McNeil Nutrtitionals and its parent company Johnson & Johnson have purposefully confused consumers over whether Splenda is natural.
The marketing slogan for the product - 'Made from sugar so it tastes like sugar' - is being used to deliberately make consumers believe that the artificial sweetener contains sugar, according to Merisant.
This is separate from the sugar industry's lawsuit, which is also about the slogan 'Made from sugar so it tastes like sugar'.
Ms. C.
goodworks1 Apr-20-07 06:43 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Boy, that's confusing. I don't understand any of it.
(But then I don't use any artificial sweeteners any more, so maybe that's it. But even so... Dana, do you know more about this?)
mommygonecrazy Apr-20-07 05:30 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
I have to say I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar, and I NEVER believed it had sugar in it, just that it had been made FROM sugar. I like it(Splenda) a heck of a lot more than the others, it has no aftertaste like the others.
ddhafe Apr-20-07 05:45 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
I like Splenda also but was always confused by that statement.
Ms. Chocolate Apr-21-07 12:27 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Boy, that's confusing. I don't understand any of it.
(But then I don't use any artificial sweeteners any more, so maybe that's it. But even so... Dana, do you know more about this?)
gw1, I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but let's give it a shot.
Quote:
Manufactured by UK-based Tate & Lyle, the Splenda brand sucralose ingredient is made using sugar as a base product. The firm's patented process replaces three hydrogenoxygen groups on the sugar molecule with chlorine atoms, which results in a sweetener 600 times more intense that sugar. Because sucralose is not recognized by the body as digestible it has zero calories.
So they start with sugar, but they're actually changing the sugar molecule into something very different, by replacing "hydrogenoxygen groups" (not sure what those are... presumably a piece of a molecule with hydrogen & oxygen atoms) with CHLORINE atoms.
So it isn't sugar anymore. And it isn't crystal anymore, according to a customer support person from the company I spoke with a few years back. It's a liquid 600 times sweeter than sugar. They add "bulking agents" to make it look like sugar crystals in the little yellow packets. The ingredients read "DEXTROSE, MALTODEXTRIN, SUCRALOSE". Sucralose, listed last, is the sweetener in Splenda.
But there's enough confusion over the process and similar appearance that both the sugar industry and the makers of other sweeteners feel threatened.
I've experienced the confusion first-hand. Customers often ask me to make a favorite candy with Splenda. They don't realize that Splenda doesn't act like sugar when cooked (soft-ball stage etc.). Splenda does have an advantage over most other artificial sweeteners in that it won't lose it's sweetness when cooked, which means with a little bit of understanding you can bake with it.
Did I answer the question?
Ms. C.
goodworks1 Apr-21-07 06:46 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
...let's give it a shot.
A very good shot indeed! Thank you!
It's been a lot of years since I studied this stuff. But, yes, now it's sorta' coming back....
I wonder...when you bake with sucralose does it brown like sugar? I"m talking about wheat batters and doughs.
CHLORINE?!! :eek:
I think my body will continue to be better off WITHOUT any of the three artificial sweeteners... :)
Thanks again for the info!
loveofpast Apr-21-07 06:56 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
The only one I like at all is Sugar Twin and it's getting hard to find.
goodworks1 Apr-21-07 06:58 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Originally Posted by loveofpast (Post 467312)
The only one I like at all is Sugar Twin and it's getting hard to find.
What is the sweetener in Sugar Twin?
goodworks1 Apr-21-07 06:59 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Splenda = sucralose
Nutrasweet = aspartame
Equal =
Sugar Twin =
Which one is saccharin?
Meya Apr-21-07 07:03 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
I think Sweet & Low is saccharin.
Splenda is the only one I can stand, but I don't use it very often. The other ones leave an aftertaste.
loveofpast Apr-21-07 07:04 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
What is the sweetener in Sugar Twin?
The package says it is ideal for baking (haven't tried it) and measures like sugar, cup for cup.
Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Sodium Saccharin, Calcium Chloride; Contains 3.71% Saccharin. Each Level Teaspoon contains 14.8 mg of Saccharin. Contains Nutritive and Non-Nutritive Sweeteners.
I have no clue what all that means. Fortunately, we have no food allergies so I don't know if the ingredients would cause problems for anyone.
Cassie Apr-21-07 02:38 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms. Chocolate (Post 467288)
gw1, I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but let's give it a shot.
So they start with sugar, but they're actually changing the sugar molecule into something very different, by replacing "hydrogenoxygen groups" (not sure what those are... presumably a piece of a molecule with hydrogen & oxygen atoms) with CHLORINE atoms.
So it isn't sugar anymore. And it isn't crystal anymore, according to a customer support person from the company I spoke with a few years back. It's a liquid 600 times sweeter than sugar. They add "bulking agents" to make it look like sugar crystals in the little yellow packets. The ingredients read "DEXTROSE, MALTODEXTRIN, SUCRALOSE". Sucralose, listed last, is the sweetener in Splenda.
But there's enough confusion over the process and similar appearance that both the sugar industry and the makers of other sweeteners feel threatened.
I've experienced the confusion first-hand. Customers often ask me to make a favorite candy with Splenda. They don't realize that Splenda doesn't act like sugar when cooked (soft-ball stage etc.). Splenda does have an advantage over most other artificial sweeteners in that it won't lose it's sweetness when cooked, which means with a little bit of understanding you can bake with it.
Did I answer the question?
Ms. C.
The human body has a difficult time processing and purging chlorine so if Splenda is ingested on a regular basis, chlorine will build up in your system (not a good idea).
Ms. Chocolate Apr-21-07 10:03 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
I wonder...when you bake with sucralose does it brown like sugar? I"m talking about wheat batters and doughs.
Not sure but I don't think so. The brown probably comes from the sugar caramelizing, one of the things Splenda won't do. I think there's a product out now that's part Splenda & part sugar, to help get the browning.
Ms. C.
Cassie Apr-22-07 12:18 AM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassie (Post 467350)
The human body has a difficult time processing and purging chlorine so if Splenda is ingested on a regular basis, chlorine will build up in your system (not a good idea).
I just wanted to add a personal note. My sister was having chronic joint and muscular pains. The doctors couldn't figure out what caused it.
On a visit to my house she mentioned that she was using Splenda on everything everyday. I told her what I had read bout the chlorine thing and she quit consuming it on everything. Within a couple of weeks all her joint and muscular pains went away. That was about a year ago.
Now she uses it occasionally, but not constantly and is doing fine.
Even she says that she balked at the internet reports on the chlorine problems but is now a true believer from personal experience.
It's the same as mercury in tuna fed to a small animal (Mercury is another element that the body has a hard time breaking down and purging). We humans can handle the mercury in tuna better than cats can (given the size differential). Feed a cat tuna too often and they will eventually die of heightened mercury content in their system. (my cat loves tuna, but we only give her one small can of chunk light tuna packed in water once a week, checked for bones [and we do find bones occasionally, so please look for them if you feed tuna to your pets] it's her treat).
Ms. Chocolate May-11-07 11:41 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
The makers of Equal prevail over the makers of Splenda, at least in France.
Commercial Court of Paris Rules Splenda Advertising Misleading http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-10-2007/0004586053&EDATE=
Ms. C.
Ms. Chocolate May-14-07 11:27 PM
Re: Equal & NutraSweet vs. Splenda in court battle
Splenda's manufacturer has settled out of court in the US.
Splenda settles with Equal over claims http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070512/ap_on_bi_ge/splenda_lawsuit_9
Quote:
The active ingredient in Splenda starts as pure cane sugar but is chemically altered to create a compound that contains no calories, according to McNeil. The final product contains no sugar.
The one-month trial focused mostly on Splenda's advertising slogan, but it ended in a settlement after the jury announced it had reached a verdict.
Settlement talks began after jurors asked the judge for a calculator and expert reports from both sides on how to determine damages. Lawyers rushed to the judge's office to try to delay the jury's announcement and then huddled in a courthouse meeting room.
Ms. C.
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