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rossshow

11-11-2007, 02:32 PM

well, it's gonna go like this.

Kris and any other mod, has power to give infractions.

Most infractions are 1 point. Strike 1. Some infractions expire. Some last forever, on your permanent record. Those are the bad ones. Because you get automatically banned at 3, 6, 9 & 12 strikes. For one week, two weeks, one month, two months.

After 2 months, well. Case by case basis, but, an obvious trouble maker...

puzzlegoddess

11-11-2007, 02:42 PM

Which mods can do this in this forum?

rossshow

11-11-2007, 02:45 PM

Today: Myself, and Kris. And it should remain that way for the forseeable future. No reason for any change beyond that...

Good question, PG. Thanks.

krisinluck

11-11-2007, 02:45 PM

I don't know who else, but...

::waves::

krisinluck

11-11-2007, 02:46 PM

Okay then. He had that covered. lol

puzzlegoddess

11-11-2007, 02:49 PM

All righty then! I'm ready. :1chirol_r

agogoboots

11-11-2007, 04:19 PM

So I'm not participating, but now I'm just curiously observing from a distance...

but what does one get infractions for?

I mean considering that everything bad has always been enouraged here and all.

Would say one get an infraction for...

racial, ethinic, religious, slurs?
derailing a thread?
fighting?
arguing?
name calling?
posting personal information?
talking about themselves too much?
hot linking?
sharting?
posting offensive material? what is offensive material?
disagreeing with a mods point of view?
being generally unpopular?
peeing on a cat?
getting a fellow poster fired from their real life job?
gossiping?
what?

I've only ever been banned twice I think. Once was for calling KRS "nazi pond scum" at AW. (Would that phrase be acceptable here?) And the other was for asking a guy who continually raved about what a wonderful homeschooling husband he was to his sorry worthless wife (sarcastically) if he would marry me. That board owner thought maybe with those four little words I "put the thought of temptation" in his mind where otherwise "it may not have occured". (Are posters here allowed to cause others to think sin?)

(This should be interesting. Maybe I'll not delete the bookmark just yet.)

evilanggellene

11-11-2007, 04:26 PM

Yeah, like how many points do you get for thinly veiled SARCASM?

I think points should also be given for playing the perpetual victim.

:1evil2:

agogoboots

11-11-2007, 04:29 PM

I asked a legitimate question.

agogoboots

11-11-2007, 04:40 PM

Like say, another board I have read in the past has this policy as a sticky at the top.

ANYONE may post here.

Except for one thing… All of the other members of this forum get along with one another pretty well – like a few thousand peas in a pod, you might say.

We like it that way.

We’re interested in learning what we can from one another, and we hope you can pick up some useful information while you're here as well. We invite you to come on in and let us get to know you, 'cause we're also interested in talking to folks like ourselves who see more to life than the superficialiality of today's world.

If you like to debate, you need to go to the Civilized Discourse section, either now or later.

If, on the other hand, you like to ARGUE, you just need to go away.

This isn’t a place for trolls or troublemakers and we aren’t at all interested in hearing about your dissatisfaction with other members. If you have a grievance, take it up with our moderator, in a Private Message.

And another one has this as a sticky at the top:

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So naturally, now that there are "infractions", I just wondered what the guidelines for infractions are.

I hope it works out. Just something that probably needs defined.

agogoboots

11-11-2007, 04:44 PM

Maybe I violated number 14 of their guidelines... oh well, I'm not registered there anyway.

rossshow

11-11-2007, 04:48 PM

I hope it works out. Just something that probably needs defined. I agreee. It's like it ALWAYS Was:

What I say goes.

Now, there's this:

What Kris says goes.

There's your guidelines, Terri.

Simple as ever.

krisinluck

11-11-2007, 04:48 PM

When Ross isn't around, it's pretty much at my discretion. He and I agree that while I'm less trigger happy than he is at times, I also have a lower tolerance for foolishness than he does. So I'll give it a try to answer you from my POV, using your own post.

racial, ethinic, religious, slurs? I'll warn first. But yeah, bigotry of any kind makes my blood boil.

derailing a thread? I'll warn first, and only if it's derailed into the board wars that only a few have a hand in...I think it's safe to say the majority would prefer that not infiltrate every thread. Derailing threads is a way of life for this crew.

fighting? Hell no. Unless PI is getting posted, what I mentioned above.

arguing? See fighting.

name calling? Case by case basis.

posting personal information? Hammer down. That has never been okay in my book.

talking about themselves too much? No. But if a person posts it, it stays. I'm not covering anyone's ass.

hot linking? No, but expect to take heat from the other posters if you do that.

sharting? Too sarcastic to merit a reply, but for the incredibly dense...no.

posting offensive material? I'll warn first. Otherwise, case by case.
what is offensive material? I'd say it varies to some extent by person. I'm a tough chick; if I'm offended it's pretty damned bad. So if someone else is offended by something, they should probably let me know where it is, and why they are offended.

disagreeing with a mods point of view? Disagreement is the way of TRS. In the end, though, how that shakes out depends greatly on whether the poster is calling me a c*** as opposed to engaging in a rational discussion of why they disagree. I get enough temper tantrums at home from my kids; I have developed a low tolerance for it. Therefore, I'm not likely to tolerate much of it here.

being generally unpopular? Too sarcastic to merit a reply, but for the incredibly dense...no.

peeing on a cat? Too sarcastic to merit a reply, but for the incredibly dense...no.

getting a fellow poster fired from their real life job? Obviously that is not kosher. The poster in question is no longer here, and at that time, there was no need for any infraction because the general population of TRS effectively made their opinion known. I don't expect that to change.

gossiping? No. But sharing intensely personal information about another person's off board life would be a problem.

One thing you didn't ask about that should absolutely be addressed is this:

TRS will be returning to it's roots of Own Your Words.

If you type it all out and choose to hit submit rather than just delete it and feel release from the writing, it's out there. And out there it stays.

puzzlegoddess

11-11-2007, 04:48 PM

I think thinly veiled sarcasm ought to earn merits, not demerits. :1kool1-ai

krisinluck

11-11-2007, 04:50 PM

Maybe I violated number 14 of their guidelines... oh well, I'm not registered there anyway.This not, and will never be, Rapture Ready. Or anything vaguely resembling it.

rossshow

11-11-2007, 04:52 PM

Thanks, Kris. I agree. Especially OWNING WORDS.

You're going t do just fine, yes you are. Even willing to expand on your policys. I never did that. It was ALWAYS "my beach, my waves"

When Ross isn't around, it's pretty much at my discretion. He and I agree that while I'm less trigger happy than he is at times, I also have a lower tolerance for foolishness than he does. So I'll give it a try to answer you from my POV, using your own post.

racial, ethinic, religious, slurs? I'll warn first. But yeah, bigotry of any kind makes my blood boil.

derailing a thread? I'll warn first, and only if it's derailed into the board wars that only a few have a hand in...I think it's safe to say the majority would prefer that not infiltrate every thread. Derailing threads is a way of life for this crew.

fighting? Hell no. Unless PI is getting posted, what I mentioned above.

arguing? See fighting.

name calling? Case by case basis.

posting personal information? Hammer down. That has never been okay in my book.

talking about themselves too much? No. But if a person posts it, it stays. I'm not covering anyone's ass.

hot linking? No, but expect to take heat from the other posters if you do that.

sharting? Too sarcastic to merit a reply, but for the incredibly dense...no.

posting offensive material? I'll warn first. Otherwise, case by case.what is offensive material? I'd say it varies to some extent by person. I'm a tough chick; if I'm offended it's pretty damned bad. So if someone else is offended by something, they should probably let me know where it is, and why they are offended.
disagreeing with a mods point of view? Disagreement is the way of TRS. In the end, though, how that shakes out depends greatly on whether the poster is calling me a c*** as opposed to engaging in a rational discussion of why they disagree. I get enough temper tantrums at home from my kids; I have developed a low tolerance for it. Therefore, I'm not likely to tolerate much of it here.

being generally unpopular? Too sarcastic to merit a reply, but for the incredibly dense...no.

peeing on a cat? Too sarcastic to merit a reply, but for the incredibly dense...no.

getting a fellow poster fired from their real life job? Obviously that is not kosher. The poster in question is no longer here, and at that time, there was no need for any infraction because the general population of TRS effectively made their opinion known. I don't expect that to change.

gossiping? No. But sharing intensely personal information about another person's off board life would be a problem.

One thing you didn't ask about that should absolutely be addressed is this:

TRS will be returning to it's roots of Own Your Words.

If you type it all out and choose to hit submit rather than just delete it and feel release from the writing, it's out there. And out there it stays.

krisinluck

11-11-2007, 04:54 PM

I think thinly veiled sarcasm ought to earn merits, not demerits. :1kool1-aiThere are some damned clever people here with sharp wit. It would probably better if it was heavily veiled, though, rather than thinly.

:1both:

rossshow

11-11-2007, 04:54 PM

This not, and will never be, Rapture Ready. Or anything vaguely resembling it.
like, with 30 rules? Yeah. NO WAY!

bluekazoo

11-11-2007, 05:07 PM

This reminds me of the old Carlin bit about 'if I order a hamburger late Thursday night but they don't bring it to me until 12:01 so now it's Friday, and I eat it anyway, would that then be a sin, Father?'

It's nice to come to TRS and find something that makes ya laugh for a change ...

:1clap5:

thebigkahooouna

11-11-2007, 05:46 PM

how many points or an orgasm??

oddish

11-11-2007, 05:53 PM

I like the idea of owning words. For now I'll take

pickle
veracity
shapoopi
mucklucks
gazebo
pinhead

and leaky

agogoboots

11-11-2007, 07:44 PM

Thank you for your specific question by question response Kris. You did very well with clarification.

What I think will be interesting will be to see the "rules so to speak" evenly applied. In the past, when the "community rules so to speak" were enforced by the "vocal majority" (which isn't the same as "the numerical majority") there was much inequality of application. I can think of many instances where two different people have acted in nearly identical fashion yet one was applauded and another derided. I hope in what decisions you have to make you are able to always hold strong to your objectivity and never be persuaded by either "the most vocal consensus", nor by your own emotions. I think that will be the true test of a good moderator.

I believe in a sense this is going to change how you have to read every post. I believe it's going to ultimately change your place in this community, probably sooner than later. It no doubt would for anyone.

But if anybody can fill the near impossible shoes you've just stepped into, you are as optimistic a choice as one could hope for. (And I think you're probably going to need the shoes when the coals get really hot.)

I hope you make a difference, and I wish you well.

agogoboots

11-11-2007, 07:49 PM

and now everybody's going to be very quiet and watch what happens....shhh

JavaNoire

11-11-2007, 08:09 PM

Prrrt

11-11-2007, 09:45 PM

Could we get a definition of 'shapoopi' please?

Or am I now in trouble for using a word I didn't own? :2slampan:

oddish

11-11-2007, 10:01 PM

I dunno what it means. It's from the shapoopi dance in The Music Man :)

tabbinosity

11-11-2007, 10:14 PM

SHIPOOPI
(c) 1957 Meredith Willson

Well, a woman who'll kiss on the very first date
Is usually a hussy
And a woman who'll kiss on the second time out
Is anything but fussy
But a woman who'll wait till the third time around
Head in the clouds, feet on the ground
She's the girl he's glad he's found
She's his Shipoopi

Shipoopi! Shipoopi, Shipoopi
The girl who's hard to get!
Shipoopi. Shipoopi, Shipoopi
But you can win her yet.

Walk her once just to raise the curtain
Then you walk around twice and make for certain
Once more in the flower garden
She will never get sore if you beg her pardon

Do re me fa so la si
Do si la sol fa mi re do

Squeeze her once, when she isn't lookin'
If you get a squeeze back that's fancy cookin'
Once more for a pepper-upper
She will never get sore on her way to supper

Do re me fa sol la si
Do si do

Now little ol' Sal was a no-gal
As anyone could see
Lookit her now, she's a go-gal
Who only goes for me

Squeeze her once when she isn't lookin'
If you get a squeeze back, that's fancy cookin'
Once more for a pepper-upper
She will never get sore on her way to supper

Do re me fa sol la si
Do si do

Shipoopi, Shipoopi, Shipoopi
The girl who's hard to get
Shipoopi. Shipoopi, Shipoopi
But you can win her yet

Shipoopi

oddish

11-11-2007, 10:53 PM

oops!

I spelled it wrong. But it's still a good word ;)

krisinluck

11-12-2007, 04:08 AM

"racial, ethinic, religious, slurs? I'll warn first. But yeah, bigotry of any kind makes my blood boil."

This would be an infraction, now, right? Which seems a bit odd. Ross has always tolerated even ugly dissension. Personally, I prefer to see such people out & public with their spew. It's safer to know who they are, what they're saying, & when possible, what they're up to. Pushing them out of sight only hides the ugliness. It in no way eliminates it.

Will there be any consistency b/w what Kris vs Ross deems an infraction?Ross has been parenting this board for what? Seven years now. The man wants to have a life. That is the one and only reason he has brought me on board. The majority of the time, it's likely to be me dealing with things.

As far as the racial, ethnic and/or religious slurs, I would not be deleting the comments. But it won't go unnoticed, and I will give points for it. You'll still know who said what and to whom, but the bigots won't get quite the free ride they've had in the past.

Terri - thanks. I'm not filling his shoes by any means. I'm a different person than he is. He knows this. My only purpose here is to give this place a chance to survive while he lives his life offline. Whether it manages to survive or not is still in the hands of the members.

He put it very well when we talked last night. He said it's always been his beach, his waves, but that it's good to have some basic guidelines. I'm not quite as hotheaded as he is in terms of things on this board, but I also have a line.

The vocal majority will still have say when someone goes ridiculously awry. This board isn't here to serve the wants of one poster, but the group as a whole. Some will drop off. Some may return. It is, as Ross himself said, a living thing. All we do is adapt to it.

Helenjw

11-12-2007, 08:43 AM

Passion

11-12-2007, 08:47 AM

Good question, Helen.

And, Kris, you may want to take a look at Ross' mod activity on the stalking board thread. Personally, I didn't realize that talking back to Ross or yourself would earn me an "infraction".

rossshow

11-12-2007, 09:32 AM

Krisinluck,

I have complete confidence in your judgement and ability to moderate this forum, that is if you are able to act independently of Ross. So I would respectfully like to ask one question in that regard.

My question...will you be able to moderate everyone here on an equal status without special regard for the exotic pet of Ross or his other favorites.

This question may be a deciding factor on who will remain or return.

I know the question was directed to Kris.

Kris is my partner. This board is OUR board.

She may do whatever she wants, without consideration of anything I have done in the past, or WITH consideration, as she sees fit.

Julesy

11-12-2007, 09:41 AM

Uh, is it still OK to say cunt here? Cocksucker, too?

rossshow

11-12-2007, 09:45 AM

Jules. So good to see you returning home.:1hug1:

Julesy

11-12-2007, 09:46 AM

:1kiss1:

Helenjw

11-12-2007, 10:25 AM

I know the question was directed to Kris.

Kris is my partner. This board is OUR board.

She may do whatever she wants, without consideration of anything I have done in the past, or WITH consideration, as she sees fit.

Your answer is appreciated, Ross but it doesn't really answer my question which was directed to Kris. I would like to understand her viewpoint. As a partner you suggest that she has your permission to do whatever she wants. I would just like to know her answer.

rossshow

11-12-2007, 10:37 AM

Your answer is appreciated, Ross but it doesn't really answer my question which was directed to Kris. I would like to understand her viewpoint. As a partner you suggest that she has your permission to do whatever she wants. I would just like to know her answer.
Of course. Upon her return, I am sure she will do just that.

And, yes: I suggest that this is HER board as well as mine. And she has my explicit permission to do as she sees fit.

blissmeister

11-12-2007, 10:53 AM

Kewl thread. I didn't see it until just now.

kim

11-12-2007, 11:03 AM

- how can she be a partner if she needs permission...?

p.s. blah...

Passion

11-12-2007, 11:05 AM

Dear Passion,

You have received an infraction at The Ross Show Forums.

http://www.therossshow.com/showthread.php?p=174108

Reason: reposting trash that no one needs to reread
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Take your bloody infractions, ROSS, and shove them up your ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FYI, I re-posted a partial thread from TRB.

rossshow

11-12-2007, 11:06 AM

- how can she be a partner if she needs permission...?

p.s. blah...
She doesn't, just answering the question in the terms it was asked. She doesn't need my permission to do anything.

PS: blah blah

kim

11-12-2007, 11:08 AM

- i'll let it slide then i suppose...

kim

11-12-2007, 11:08 AM

p.s. i'm the real boss around here and always have been...

rossshow

11-12-2007, 11:12 AM

p.s. i'm the real boss around here and always have been...
LOL! Good to see you. :1hug1:

kim

11-12-2007, 11:13 AM

- hahaha {{hugs back to you too}}...

Doofy

11-12-2007, 11:58 AM

I'm claiming the word lawyer.

So Ross could you please, ban, shoot, knife, run over, get nasty, to the next idjet that says they are calling my word.

TIA

Doofy

11-12-2007, 12:04 PM

are totems allowed?

I like Ross's rules best.

written rules are endlessly argued.

Ross's "do you feel lucky lucky punk" leaves very little wiggle room.

krisinluck

11-12-2007, 01:01 PM

First of all, just call me Kris. That's who I am. lol
My question...will you be able to moderate everyone here on an equal status without special regard for the exotic pet of Ross or his other favorites. I do not have any exotic pets. I am allergic. And dammit, I am his favorite, so I'm not too worried. LOL!
And, Kris, you may want to take a look at Ross' mod activity on the stalking board thread. Personally, I didn't realize that talking back to Ross or yourself would earn me an "infraction".As to not realizing that talking back could bring an infraction, I refer you to this (http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=173983&postcount=13)response to Terri on the first page of this thread, most specifically this:disagreeing with a mods point of view? Disagreement is the way of TRS. In the end, though, how that shakes out depends greatly on whether the poster is calling me a c*** as opposed to engaging in a rational discussion of why they disagree. I get enough temper tantrums at home from my kids; I have developed a low tolerance for it. Therefore, I'm not likely to tolerate much of it here.I would guess Ross feels the same way, if you got an infraction. I am not the babysitter. Ross can do whatever he wants to do here.

You posted this in another thread: And YOU and Kris are STILL "embracing" them, as well as the x-tt crowd. I call that H Y P O C R I S Y !!The deal here has always been all are welcome, friend or foe, and will continue to be. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Newsflash: allowing someone to post here is not quite the same as embracing them. Really.

EVERYONE: Stop tattling to the "other" one of us, because that will irritate the hell out of me so fast it will make everyone's head spin. Uh, is it still OK to say cunt here? Cocksucker, too?Don't care, for the most part. Calling me a cunt could piss me off, though. p.s. i'm the real boss around here and always have been...Well, duh. Welcome back, Kim. Always good to see you anywhere. :8heartbea

krisinluck

11-12-2007, 01:04 PM

are totems allowed?

I like Ross's rules best.

written rules are endlessly argued.

Ross's "do you feel lucky lucky punk" leaves very little wiggle room.Doofy, in the right mood, you might find more of that in me than you expect.

The only reason I'm trying to give some basic guidelines is because I'm not Ross, and it's going to be hard for people to deal with a change. He's all in your face, and I'm a bit more diplomatic. Seems fair to let people know where my lines are.

Passion

11-12-2007, 01:13 PM

Kris,

Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. I can now clearly see that there will be 2 sets of rules here. One for the oldtimers that you both cherish, and another set for the rest of us.
Death threats don't earn someone an infraction, but annoying Ross does. Makes perfect sense.

Lots of luck, lol.

krisinluck

11-12-2007, 01:16 PM

Passion

11-12-2007, 01:26 PM

Ross saw them, Kris. I just hit the report button on both of them.

krisinluck

11-12-2007, 01:45 PM

I'm not Ross. And I was at work until an hour ago.

I have posted to the thread in question. Along with a blanket warning regarding some of the shit that gets flung in there. Having to read it to guard against various things is not going to make me very friendly when I'm in there.

Look, here's the deal. Ross and I? We hated each other so much...I would have clawed his eyes out. He would have gladly had horrible things done to me. I'm sure those things were threatened once upon a time, but I was so enraged that I can't honestly remember. I'm not sure how we got here, but he's a good friend to me. Has been for a long time. He's an asshole - he knows that - and I'm a bitch - I know that. But we know we can trust the other, and that's quite right. If anyone had said to either of us seven years ago that we would be where we are right now, we would have joined forces to kill that person before turning on each other.

Things change. We are proof they can. It doesn't work this way for everyone who hates each other, but an end to the hate is a good thing. Hating someone doesn't hurt THEM, Passion. It only hurts YOU. Letting it go is much healthier overall, but it's a personal choice.

rossshow

11-12-2007, 02:08 PM

If anyone had said to either of us seven years ago that we would be where we are right now, we would have joined forces to kill that person before turning on each otherLOL! Uh, yeah!

Passion

11-12-2007, 02:11 PM

Thank you, Kris, for handling it.

Things change. We are proof they can. It doesn't work this way for everyone who hates each other, but an end to the hate is a good thing. Hating someone doesn't hurt THEM, Passion. It only hurts YOU. Letting it go is much healthier overall, but it's a personal choice.

I agree. However, you really don't know the half of it. If you feel like being sick, read Heavy's board, and you may gain an understanding of why this is seemingly unending. When people go after your family, it is a whole different ballgame.

Hepburn

11-12-2007, 02:15 PM

When people go after your family, it is a whole different ballgame.

Really? Think about that the next time you guffaw at gossip about someone elses kids that isnt true, Passion.

Sorry. I aint staying. But kris has a point and I wanted to comment on your reply to her response.

Passion

11-12-2007, 02:20 PM

Resorting to a hit and run, Hep?

Laughing at someone or their family situation is indeed very different from trying to destroy the reputation of a family member. If you don't understand that, then Hep, you have a bigger problem than most of us. Additionally, you persistently stand up for those who post at HM's filthy board. I suppose you really don't understand what that says about you.

Just added you to my ignore list. You're welcome.

Doofy

11-12-2007, 02:24 PM

Kris you may want to nip this in the bud now.

You created a fucktard thread for people to say fucktard things.

So its a given that someone with even the smallest of brains should realize that if they enter said thread, they may read something nasty.

Now if you allow people to report nasty things said, in a nasty thread, you had better plan to be here awhile.

You may want to get it off the front page as well.

Just a thought.

VocalVixen

11-12-2007, 03:26 PM

Kris

I think you will do a fine job.

How does it feel to have, oh, about 100 or so bad kids?

:2headspin

krisinluck

11-12-2007, 03:30 PM

Excellent points, Doofy. Thanks to you, I let my fingers do the thinking to respond, and here's what I came up with.

The thread stays front page. There are reasons for that I'm not going into here, but the only way it's getting moved is if I end up sending the lot of them off on a vacation because they can't act like they are older than my third grader.

I don't care if they fight...hell, this has always been a fighting board. I don't want that one ancient fight in every damned thread. So now they have a place to poke at each other.

Now, as you said, it is a given that if one ventures in there, they are going to see things they don't want to see. If they want to keep up the fight, they can go on in there. If they *don't* want to fight, they can stay out.

Just as you (general you) get to own your words if you choose to hit submit instead of delete, you also get to take some responsibility for whether or not you go into a thread that is certain to get you all riled up and offended. On that count, at least some responsibility has to go to Passion, because she fans the flames every time she responds to them. If she didn't go in there, and did not respond, the whole thing would melt away and they would find someone new to hassle.

Asking her to report those to me today was done for two reasons: 1). because she was having a fit that Ross didn't handle it the way she thought he should have; and 2). I wanted some idea of what she was talking about. But ...I would prefer not to have them report every damned thing. I will (unfortunately) be watching that thread, and my suffering through that slog should be punishment enough without having my inbox filled.

The blanket warning given today is the only verbal I plan to give. I know who's posting in there. So I know who has been warned.

Look, I don't have a lot of tolerance for that kind of stuff. I love a good board war as much as anyone, but it's much more entertaining if those involved use their words in a more intelligent manner than threats and name calling that is the internet-active adult version of "you're a poopy head".

It is possible to fight coherently. It's also much more effective.

I expected them to push the envelope, too. I also expect it will take a few hammer down moments before anyone takes it seriously.

But it won't be tonight. Daddy Ross is in charge tonight, because it is the old fart's birthday here in real life land, and we're off to dinner shortly. I can't wait to see who's still standing when I get home. :1angelica

krisinluck

11-12-2007, 03:34 PM

How does it feel to have, oh, about 100 or so bad kids?

:2headspinPretty much like your head spinning emoticon. lol

They are used to having Ross, who has not raised kids, in charge. I've got kids, plus I wait tables. I herd cats all day long, and smile while I do it.

Prrrt

11-12-2007, 04:01 PM

Thank you's to Oddish and Tabbinosity for explaining about Shipoopi to me.

I think I really want to own a word or two of my very own, but I am still thinking about exactly which ones. Don't want to take too long, or I might be stuck with other people's leftovers, ick!

Pondering...

Passion

11-12-2007, 04:04 PM

Pretty much like your head spinning emoticon. lol

They are used to having Ross, who has not raised kids, in charge. I've got kids, plus I wait tables. I herd cats all day long, and smile while I do it.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/407045343_9bf6c15f95_o.gif

Have a nice dinner, Kris.http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/385763825_e277c3149a_o.gif

agogoboots

11-12-2007, 09:09 PM

My question...will you be able to moderate everyone here on an equal status without special regard for the exotic pet of Ross or his other favorites.

Helen, quite frankly I am tired if you harping on this topic. I don't see why you should care how Ross and I interacted. However Ross treated me, this WAS Ross' board and it WAS his option to do as he pleased just as he could if it was his home. This board was NOT a democracy in the past where you sit high in your chair and cast your vote. It wasn't any of your business period. To continually harp on it only proves that you are nosey and interferring.

And no, I don't expect any "special treatment" from Kris. (I didn't expect it from Ross. Ross granted it and that's his option.)

Certain people don't like me. I may annoy the hell out of certain people. Other's don't like me simply because Ross chose to treat me with preference of his own accord. I am not here to win any popularity contest... especially a contest with judges that I don't even like or respect. I've never lived my life to please others, and I never intended to start HERE.

However, VERY seldom have I done anything to warrant an "infraction"... especially under the "old rules". And I am perfectly capable of following the "new rules". I am not a child. Annoying YOU... or doing something you "disapprove of", or making you jealous because of my particular relationship with anyother person... is not a reason for an "infraction". It may be a good reason for you to get a life yourself.

I don't think Kris is stupid. I think she can read and I think she can see the difference between something that "causes Helen's stomach to turn" and something that deserves moderation. Evidently you either think Kris is an idiot, or else you just want to whine so I know how much you hate me.

Here's a clue... I DON'T CARE WHAT HELEN THINKS. I don't care what grievance you have about how Ross treated me on his own board, or anywhere else for that matter. If anything it makes me look down on you because you have nothing more interesting in your life to fixate on than ME.

There is a woman in my community. She's had several different short lived hourly wage jobs at several different business where I do business. She's not very educated. She's not very attractive. She's extremely obese. This woman will follow me all the way across a Walmart five times to personally track me down so she can say "Hi Terri! I haven't seen you in a while?! It's so nice to see you! How have you been?!" I don't even know her name.

Your continually going on and on about Ross' "preferential treatment" is sort of the same. Go entertain yourself with your own life and relationships please ...and stop fixating on me.

But if you just gotta' hate someone because I am "special"... hate ROSS.

(I am special actually, with or without Ross, Kris, or you.)

agogoboots

11-12-2007, 09:13 PM

This board was NOT a democracy in the past where you sit high in your chair and cast your vote.

It doesn't appear to be that now either... and it's not supposed to.

Helenjw

11-13-2007, 07:15 AM

Helen, quite frankly I am tired if you harping on this topic. I don't see why you should care how Ross and I interacted. However Ross treated me, this WAS Ross' board and it WAS his option to do as he pleased just as he could if it was his home. This board was NOT a democracy in the past where you sit high in your chair and cast your vote. It wasn't any of your business period. To continually harp on it only proves that you are nosey and interferring.

And no, I don't expect any "special treatment" from Kris. (I didn't expect it from Ross. Ross granted it and that's his option.)

Certain people don't like me. I may annoy the hell out of certain people. Other's don't like me simply because Ross chose to treat me with preference of his own accord. I am not here to win any popularity contest... especially a contest with judges that I don't even like or respect. I've never lived my life to please others, and I never intended to start HERE.

However, VERY seldom have I done anything to warrant an "infraction"... especially under the "old rules". And I am perfectly capable of following the "new rules". I am not a child. Annoying YOU... or doing something you "disapprove of", or making you jealous because of my particular relationship with anyother person... is not a reason for an "infraction". It may be a good reason for you to get a life yourself.

I don't think Kris is stupid. I think she can read and I think she can see the difference between something that "causes Helen's stomach to turn" and something that deserves moderation. Evidently you either think Kris is an idiot, or else you just want to whine so I know how much you hate me.

Here's a clue... I DON'T CARE WHAT HELEN THINKS. I don't care what grievance you have about how Ross treated me on his own board, or anywhere else for that matter. If anything it makes me look down on you because you have nothing more interesting in your life to fixate on than ME.

There is a woman in my community. She's had several different short lived hourly wage jobs at several different business where I do business. She's not very educated. She's not very attractive. She's extremely obese. This woman will follow me all the way across a Walmart five times to personally track me down so she can say "Hi Terri! I haven't seen you in a while?! It's so nice to see you! How have you been?!" I don't even know her name.

Your continually going on and on about Ross' "preferential treatment" is sort of the same. Go entertain yourself with your own life and relationships please ...and stop fixating on me.

But if you just gotta' hate someone because I am "special"... hate ROSS.

(I am special actually, with or without Ross, Kris, or you.)

Terri, I received an answer to my question from both Ross and Kris. After carefully considering those answers along with other observations I have concluded that there will be no significant change here and that is good for you. So relax! You don't need to worry about what you apparently consider my intrusion into your territory.

Peace!

rossshow

11-13-2007, 07:54 AM

Terri, I received an answer to my question from both Ross and Kris. After carefully considering those answers along with other observations I have concluded that there will be no significant change here and that is good for you. So relax! You don't need to worry about what you apparently consider my intrusion into your territory.

Peace!hahahah! Really?

rossshow

11-13-2007, 07:58 AM

Terri will own her words. Everything she types will remain. ISN'T that REALLY your fucking question, Helen?

Julesy

11-13-2007, 08:28 AM

Promise, Ross? No more edits, zapping, and general cleaning up after she spews her vomit all over the place? That would be a nice change...

evilanggellene

11-13-2007, 09:34 AM

There is a woman in my community. She's had several different short lived hourly wage jobs at several different business where I do business. She's not very educated. She's not very attractive. She's extremely obese. This woman will follow me all the way across a Walmart five times to personally track me down so she can say "Hi Terri! I haven't seen you in a while?! It's so nice to see you! How have you been?!" I don't even know her name.

This particular paragraph is very telling. How come you haven't bothered to ask this woman what her name is? Is it because she's below you? Unattractive? Obese? You seem to know quite a bit about her but the really important thing...such as aknowledging her as a HUMAN BEING who apparently finds you important enough to care about...is below you?

Maggie

11-13-2007, 10:41 AM

I agree with Evilang.. Terri, when I read that it made me cringe. Bless her heart, she (the woman in Walmart) was trying to be friendly and perhaps noticed by you.. where is the compassion?

rossshow

11-13-2007, 10:59 AM

Promise, Ross? No more edits, zapping, and general cleaning up after she spews her vomit all over the place? That would be a nice change...
own your words. Kris won't stand for it, and I won't second guess Kris.

Luvcats

11-13-2007, 11:12 AM

Maggie, Evilangelene, I can't tell you how glad I am to see your posts. That statement of Terri's haunted me all day yesterday. I wasn't going to bother to post an answer to it, but I could not get that horrible paragraph out of my mind.

I hope that poor woman has friends somewhere. I hope in her life, there are people who acknowledge her, say hi to her, are glad to see her, despite her having the audacity to be "unattractive and obese".

Terri, that's perhaps the most telling post you've ever written, in my book. Not that you care. Or that you are participating.

Doofy

11-13-2007, 11:20 AM

krisinluck

11-13-2007, 11:49 AM

Promise, Ross? No more edits, zapping, and general cleaning up after she spews her vomit all over the place? That would be a nice change...He already assured you, and I'm going to do the same thing.

I *did* just move the posts from the Scott Samuel thread into a thread of their own. The questions are valid that are being discussed, but they don't do anyone who is looking for what the experience of dealing with him is like a bit of good. Carry on the dissention, but in it's own thread.

Thank you.

krisinluck

11-13-2007, 11:51 AM

Helenjw

11-13-2007, 11:59 AM

Good luck to you, Kris.

Toy Ranch

11-13-2007, 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Julesy
Uh, is it still OK to say cunt here? Cocksucker, too?

Don't care, for the most part. Calling me a cunt could piss me off, though.

So... we should call you cocksucker? :1bonk1:

evilanggellene

11-13-2007, 12:03 PM

I read that paragraph to, but I'm betting she just wrote it down wrong.

As it is it doesn't fit with the rest of the post.

I've done that countless times, wrote something then after reading it said oh golly thats not what I meant.

It's nice of you to give her the out, Doofy, and you're right, it really doesn't fit with the rest of the post but it fits perfectly with the persona she has represented here the past few months (and maybe more). Trust me, she meant it.

She probably cringes when she sees the woman coming towards her. I bet a dollar and a donut she looks around to see if anyone is seeing her in the presence of this obese, unattractive middle wage earner. You know how small minded bigoted gossip works in some towns.

You know in situations like this what I would love to see happen in the future? Have someone like Teri need help from someone she has looked down upon/shunned in the past and have that person look at her and spit in her uppity, self righteous, self centered face. Maybe cap it off with a "By the way my name is (insert name here)!"

Harsh but reality.

Maison Rustique

11-13-2007, 12:12 PM

What Luvvie et al said. ^^^^^

krisinluck

11-13-2007, 01:27 PM

So... we should call you cocksucker? :1bonk1:Probably not. lol

Julesy

11-13-2007, 01:28 PM

So... we should call you cocksucker? :1bonk1:

Hah!

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 01:42 PM

I be polite to her when I can't avoid it. My intent would not be to be rude.

I just don't think when you are shopping someone should track you down or follow you around. In my opinion unless you know someone personally and it's mutual, or you have some business with them, you should just say "Hi", give a smile, and keep walking. Even a few words when you happen to be in close proximity by accident would be absolutely fine.

This former momentary cashier got my name off my check. Evidently she took down my address too because not so long ago (well over a year since she handled my check) in a store she walked up and asked me, "do you still live at XYZ Your Street". I said, "uh...yes, I do." (She knew the exact street number.)

It has nothing to do with anybody seeing me talking to her. I don't know her and I did not jot down her name off her nametag. I did not offer her my name or my address.

The point was... I am not Princess Diana and I should not be her constant fixation, as I should not be Helen's.

Maybe the woman sees my picture in the paper and it's innocent but it makes me uncomfortable. I really sincerely prefer to just be invisible or ignored by most of the general public most of the time.

I apologize if you all misinterpreted my poorly written thought... or if you simply disgree with my point of view.

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 01:46 PM

I was typing while my post ended up several later on the next page.

I bet a dollar and a donut she looks around to see if anyone is seeing her in the presence of this obese, unattractive middle wage earner. You know how small minded bigoted gossip works in some towns.

You see, this is extremely judgmental on YOUR part. And it couldn't be further from the truth.

Passion

11-13-2007, 01:48 PM

Maybe the woman sees my picture in the paper and it's innocent but it makes me uncomfortable. I really sincerely prefer to just be invisible or ignored by most of the general public most of the time.

Terri, then don't go out in public. The woman was just being friendly, for Christ's sake. And Helen isn't friggin' obsessed with you. YOU are obsessed with remaining the center of attention. For God's sake, stop already. :rolleyes:

Helenjw

11-13-2007, 02:05 PM

Terry writes...

"The point was... I am not Princess Diana and I should not be her constant fixation, as I should not be Helen's."

Terri, you grossly overflatter yourself if you really believe that you are a fixation to me or anyone else here.

I believe that I've avoided nearly every thread that you've started here. During the last several months I've responded to your posts less than four times and never in a manner to deserve moderation.

The interesting aspect of your tale about the good woman who apparently wants to befriend you is that a frumpy woman like yourself would look down upon another woman simply because she is obese and unattractive.

Passion

11-13-2007, 02:24 PM

The interesting aspect of your tale about the good woman who apparently wants to befriend you is that a frumpy woman like yourself would look down upon another woman simply because she is obese and unattractive.

ROFL:1chirol_r

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 03:19 PM

Terri, you grossly overflatter yourself if you really believe that you are a fixation to me or anyone else here.

Then why do you keep mentioning me when you aren't speaking to me? I don't believe I ever mention you.

Terri, then don't go out in public.

That would ideally be my preference. And it would absolutely be my preference that my picture were NOT in the paper and I didn't have to keep throwing those damn signs in my trunk to get them off my car. Hate it. Absolutely hate that. It took me 3 1/2 years of forced aggravation and annoyance to make me put a photo on my business card.

I just like to stay home where I don't have to see any people and I'm invisible.

Town parade? Hike 5 miles in the woods? Hike 5 miles in the woods.
Ladies Luncheon? Torture? Torture.
Staff meeting with coffee and donuts? McDonald's in the car? McDonalds.
Company Christmas party? Nailed to a tree? Nailed to a tree.

xppman

11-13-2007, 03:21 PM

Hell.. I'd go for anything other than the insane
rants back and forth over 'stupid stuff' I see here, most the time, anymore.

So what? Ross wants to have some mods.
Any board will die, if someone's not at the helm...
Just like any ship will stray off course and hit a reef, if the captain is
always on shore, or below playing with his/her crew.

Someone has to drive the boat.
And someone has to be in the bridge, and at least be monitoring the gauges.

Otherwise.. You get, well.. What we have seen here, and other boards.

Broad brush here...
If this forum wants to allow the inmates to run the asylum.
What do you expect you will get?

HITS? Of course you will.
But you wont get any meaningful interaction with people across a wide
spectrum.

Hell many of us are scared to post here. I imagine.
Not because we don't want to. But because the 'nut jobs' run the show.
(And I don't mean... Ross, or his new mods)

OR any nut job's... in particular.

Julesy

11-13-2007, 03:21 PM

There's some new, neat art in *The Champagne Room*, Terri...

Hepburn

11-13-2007, 03:33 PM

Passion

11-13-2007, 04:17 PM

There's some new, neat art in *The Champagne Room*, Terri...

:1angelica

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 04:44 PM

Well thank you so much for your pity Hep. You've quite a few time made some similar comment but you know, I always talk to you. Know why? Because you always talk to me.

Lalaland, yeah *sigh*. It's such a fantastic place. I can make it a day on the beach, or a cozy cottage next to a roaring fire. I get to pick who's there for the most part, what scent surrounds me. Make up my own rules. Sheesh it so beats the hell out of Shitland. Everybody who want's and loves it can just stay in Shitland for all I care.

But seriously, why would anybody prefer to just take the world as others rudely shove it at them as opposed to making their world a little more like they would like it to be? I like to get a house in the middle of some acreage, plant a billion trees around it so nobody can see in or out, then surround myself with the people in who's companionship I enjoy. Is that not sort of "the American Dream" in a sense? Is that not what our founders did when they left wherever they left to come to America? the pioneers did when they set out toward wilderness? Didn't they chase their own dream, go forward to make their own world better than the world, and leave what they didn't like behind?

So you keep saying that and I don't understand why you think it's preferable to just fall out there in the world and stumble around in whatever muck you fall in and eat whatever hits your plate. People are allowed to make choices for themselves. That's why we have 249 channels on our tv's, and grocery stores with shelves stacked to the ceiling, and deparment stores filled with all kinds of fashions. Baskin Robbins has how many flavors? Why then should we just digest whatever standard/personality/character/ideal that comes along? What's so bad about attempting to make our own world the way we prefer it to be so long as we're not taking that right away from someone else? Where is your pioneer spirit to leave the undesirable behind and move individually toward the ideal?

xppman, I think that was a very good post.

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 04:54 PM

Didn't they chase their own dream, go forward to make their own world better than the world they left, and leave what they didn't like behind?

Sorry, I left out a couple of words in that sentence.

Seems if it were up to you we would all still be sipping tea with the Queen no matter how much we couldn't stand her and gagging on boiled calf liver with crumpets.

(No reference to anyone specific here intended. It's just about America.)

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 05:01 PM

There's some new, neat art in *The Champagne Room*, Terri...

Not interested, beyond the fact that a few people may go in there and stay in there and never come out, which is fine.

Hepburn

11-13-2007, 05:39 PM

Terri, you still dont get it. Yes, I talk TO you. And sometimes you talk TO me. But most of the time, you talk AT people. AT. Not TO. Dont you understand the difference? I honestly dont think you do..or just flat dont want to. And I find that very sad. For you. Because you miss so much, Terri. You shut out so many.

IF, as you say, you just want to be left alone, WHY did you go into such detail that the woman that is so friendly to you is fat, unattractive, even mentioned her lowly part time jobs, etc? What bearing does that have on ANYthing? You know what, Terri? Your snobby parts show when you type. You tell us everything under the sun...not because you want to share part of your day or who you are, but because you need someone to listen to your droning and thats all fine and well....but I call it droning because there is no feeling in what you say. We are walls. We are not human. We are just things who type a response now and then, and when we reply in negative ways to your droning, you finally SEE us. Then promptly forget us again. Do you see?

Hepburn

11-13-2007, 05:41 PM

I like to get a house in the middle of some acreage, plant a billion trees around it so nobody can see in or out, then surround myself with the people in who's companionship I enjoy.

But...you dont enjoy ANYONES company, Terri.

xppman

11-13-2007, 05:47 PM

Terri,
I don't know you. And to me, you seem like a pretty genuine person.

I don't now all the history here, and it's probably better I don't.

But with that said.

I've known people in your situation.
It takes all kinds.. and to me.. Your not doing anything that any other person wouldn't do,
if faced with some of the 'reality' you have been faced with.

Hell... the best thing to do IMO, is to let it out, and talk about it...
That helps the healing process. I think. :-)

It allows you, and people like you, or me,
who have been effected this way, a way to DEAL with it.
A way to try and let it go...

I personally, like many of your posts.
Not because I want to hear your 'laundry', (and poke sticks at it),
but.. because it comes from with-in. And many may suffer the same
situation... So if you come forward with yours... Maybe... Just maybe..
others will see it, and figure out how to deal with it... with out having to be the
"show'

I commend you Terri.

Hep on the other hand.... LOL Just kidding here girl... OK?
(hep)

Another THREAD is in order for YOU...:1kiss1:

Passion

11-13-2007, 06:02 PM

Terri,

For your own safety...........beware of strange men. I hope you understand.

Hepburn

11-13-2007, 06:03 PM

You must be really horny, xxp. I see you flirtin' with all the girls and blowing kisses. Well. Ok. :1kiss1:

ErnieMarkham

11-13-2007, 06:09 PM

Maggie

11-13-2007, 06:15 PM

Oh goody! The natives in the life boat have become restless in the choppy seas.The Dark Lord has taken the belle's life jacket for himself and thrown her overboard. The sharks are circling. There's blood in the water. Dah dum... Dah dum... Dah dum....The damsel is in distress but there will be no last minute reprieve this time. Any moment the bloody thrashing will begin and the frothy red foam will churn with frenzied feeding.

Will Chief Brody arrive in time? Or is it finally curtains for the southern magnolia?

:1clap:

Dang.. quite the imagination ya got there Ernie... the suspense is killing me...can't wait for the next chapter... Dah dum...Dah dum.. Dah dum.. Maybe a white knight comes riding in on a white seahorse to save the fair maiden.. oh wait it's the xpp man!

Passion

11-13-2007, 06:23 PM

white knight

ROFLMAO you have no idea how funny that is, Maggie.

xppman

11-13-2007, 06:28 PM

If any of the 'chicks' here... think that I'm that horny, and will try to get 'anyone' here, from TRS, in bed???

You just helped me make my point. :1chirol_r

(About the nuts that run the asylum.)

THANK YOU.

bluekazoo

11-13-2007, 06:30 PM

Ha!

I think I figured out who ErnieMarkham is ...

:1chirol_r

xppman

11-13-2007, 06:38 PM

Terri,

For your own safety...........beware of strange men. I hope you understand.

BTW.. I was refering to this in my above comment.. sry. :1cryhard:

xppman

11-13-2007, 06:40 PM

Ha!

I think I figured out who ErnieMarkham is ...

:1chirol_r

Yea.. Isn't it obvious? :1chirol_c

Hepburn

11-13-2007, 06:43 PM

ARVN pimp: Do you want number one fuckee?

Da Nang Hooker: Hey, you got girlfriend Vietnam? Me so horny. Me love you long time.

.....Full Metal Jacket

rossshow

11-13-2007, 06:51 PM

Ha!

I think I figured out who ErnieMarkham is ...

:1chirol_rwho? PM me if you din't wanna say

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 08:16 PM

But most of the time, you talk AT people. AT. Not TO. Dont you understand the difference? I honestly dont think you do..or just flat dont want to. And I find that very sad. For you. Because you miss so much, Terri. You shut out so many.

No, Hep. I DO get this. I am not confused about it in the least.

I talk TO you almost all the time. I talk AT some people. I'm not missing a thing. I'm shutting them out. I'm doing it delibrately. Why? Could be for various reasons.

It could be because they are talking AT me. It could be because they blow in out of the blue and drop a bomb. It could be because they have clearly indicated they are not in my corner. It could be just because we have absolutely nothing in common so bless their happy existance somewhere else. Maybe "the bond" is one of inequality... like they ask you questions, you answer, they never share in return. And not here so much as in real life but it could be because they are artificial to your face but you know what web they weave behind your back.

I guess in a way it's sort of like "time out" that you sometimes give kids... but it's for a different reason.

With kids, if they are being difficult and not cooperating on purpose, are being ugly and mean on purpose, are poking others without cause, screaming at me, etc. I send them out of my presence. I say, "I don't want to be in your presence until you can be nice and cooperate. Go to your room and stay there till you can come back to me with a clean face and a better attitude." With kids you do that to teach them how to be cooperative and kind as adults and to show them what you expect of them and what is unacceptable.

With other adults it's different. You do it because they are intentionally screwing up your utopia and why should you give them that power? You do it because of the above stated, they don't deserve your attention nor your affection.

You know how they say "time is money"? Well time is a gift as well. As are attention, affection, acknowledgement, humor, devotion, commitment, etc. They are valuable things which I own and of which I have limited quanity and I'm going to put them where I see they are due and appreciated and returned.

What you need to know also is that I am probably one of the most loyal friends one can ever have. I mean when someone is my loyal friend I'll stick by them like glue. I also expect them to stick by me with the same devotion. So that's a pretty big commitment and realistically I only have so many slots for that.

Then there are some slots for low maintence devotion. Those can work long distance because it's not like you have to mow their lawn while they're on vacation and walk their dog, but they still get your time, attention, patience, care, etc. It still has a level of commitment and loyalty. Like probably Ross falls into this category for instance.

Then there are meaningful relationships such as long term clients, fairly good friends, neighbors, etc. who's slots are subject to change periodically for whatever reason. I would say people with whom one has good rapior long term on chatboards might fall in this category.

Then there are aquaintences. People who you know for some reason whether in real life or online and generally have/perceive good will would fall in this section.

****Then there are people you just don't know well at all or with whom you have no specified relationsip.****

And people who are up to no good and you perceive their ill will towards you.

And people with whom you are aquainted as a strong adversary.

And then there are enemies.

Now.... all that to say, time is valuable, and slots are limited, and not that I keep a list but generally I can place people when put to the task.

Those above the ***line*** I talk TO. Those below the line I talk AT. Those right on the line I start out talking TO until they reposition themselves below the line at which time they then get AT ...because I just don't have time and attention to waste there. The ability to move either above or below the line, is fair game to anyone who wishes to play their hand at any time. The higher you get, the more difficult it is to reach the bottom again, the lower you get the more difficult it is to ever reach the top at all. (I am a very organized person to be such a slob.)

Now in real life, I can generally avoid all those people at the line or below unless they work with me or are related to me or something and I have no choice, but here, that is impossible so this resource managment system has to be invoked.

Very well, I am not "missing anything", I am simply effectively managing my resources, generously compensating those who are due and/or from whom I also receive, and maintaining a perfectly balanced Utopia.

Now... actually the Utopia doesn't STAY balanced here because all too often I end up compensating those below the line and it really starts to piss me off. It's something akin to paying people to tear up your car with a sledge hammer.

Now what's so hard about that?

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 08:22 PM

That was a very nice post xppman. At this time I will take it to be genuine and it is greatly appreciated. I hope I have the opportunity to get to know you better.

Ernie, your story was charming even with it's violence.

Hi Ross. :1kiss1: You are very naughty to have created a porn forum.

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 08:30 PM

Hep, please note how much time I devoted speaking TO you and to your response in general. Ching, ching.

Sometimes I also talk TO myself and AT myself ...and I didn't even address those. :1crazy: (No biggie, I covered most everything else.)

Hepburn

11-13-2007, 08:31 PM

I made note :1chirol_r

Im trying to digest it all. Hold your drawers, woman!:1chirol_r

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 08:43 PM

K, good. Glad we cleared that up.

Passion

11-13-2007, 09:23 PM

So. um, Ernie, who are you? I like your style...........:1kiss1:

rossshow

11-13-2007, 09:27 PM

Hi Ross. :1kiss1: You are very naughty to have created a porn forum.
Ummm. I am naughty. Why, yes! Oh my, yes!:1kiss1:

Julesy wanted to play a bigger part here at TRS. Think a porn forum is perfect for her...

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 09:34 PM

That is probably most appropriate.

I don't want anything. You mark that down for me, k?

rossshow

11-13-2007, 09:37 PM

LOL! You got what you wanted, months back. There's a women's forum, still.

Anyway, it's not "called" a porn forum. And, it's more a sex forum. Hopefully.

I'm just going to be happy I can actually turn my back on this place without it falling into ruin. After Thanksgiving, Adios!

agogoboots

11-13-2007, 09:48 PM

Oh which reminds me. I think there's a thread in there where FLvamp graphically describes inserting her Vasalined finger into her date's rectum during a sex act.... without consulting his point of view or getting his side of the story or anything... but I mean her depiction was really enough in my opinion. It probably belongs in the new forum. Just FYI.

Maybe we will talk again but if not, you have a nice time on your vacation. If you said where you were going, sorry I missed it. Email if you want. I have been up since 4:30 am and I'm going to bed now. Hug. Night-night.

rossshow

11-13-2007, 09:55 PM

Cool! Graphic?

Wow, you women and your issues! Good thing I made a sex forum. The women's forum was the only place for such frank discussion of issues, so I guess good thing we have a sex fourm now.

No, I didn't say. Mainly I'm going away from the internet, diving head first into RL. Until January.

And IN January I have some recording time is a brand new studio in SF.

So, I am turing my back on TRS for a time.

JavaNoire

11-14-2007, 12:32 AM

Terri, some people believe you put too much of yourself out there. Many of these people probably feel FLVamp also shares too much. So why are you slamming her?

You mentioned 'her date'. I'm curious. Has she provided enough info that others could easily discern his identity?

IMO, intimate info on friends, colleagues or family shouldn't be divulged unless the poster is absolutely certain they'd be comfortable with the disclosures, or knows that their identities can't be discerned by anyone reading here.

VocalVixen

11-14-2007, 03:30 PM

We are all here for a reason. Our own personal reason.

I think that if someone NEEDS to write about their life, they have every right to do so. If they describe someone and you don't agree with that description, it's okay - we are given the opportunity to view the world (or just a person) through someone else's eyes.

How much a person chooses to share - or not share is up to him or her.

Why attack someone for using the board as a sort of therapy? IMHO, we all have a lot to learn from each other. If it bothers any of us in any way, we can always use the ignore button.

rossshow

11-14-2007, 03:42 PM

agogoboots

11-14-2007, 04:10 PM

Good points VV.

What I disaree with is the inequality in how individual posters who post very similar information at different times are treated as a result. Some are encouraged, some are simply overlooked, others are attacked or at least delt with negatively. Not the example(s) in this thread, but I could name many instances that were nearly identical, and others which were more extreme on the part of the individual not chastized, where posters received very different responses to their posts.

I don't care to discuss it, just to state that it happens and move on.

Hepburn

11-14-2007, 04:21 PM

Depends on the clique one is in, Terri.

JavaNoire

11-14-2007, 06:20 PM

Terri, if you don't care to discuss it, why throw out your opinion?

I'm still curious as to why you're slamming FLVamp about what she's chosen to share/discuss. Has she dissed you for putting out TMI?

VV, I agree with you with one qualifier. What I choose to reveal of myself is one thing. Putting out personal info on others who could be identified through their association with me is something entirely different. If you're truly certain they wouldn't object, cool. If you know that they can't be identified, fine. If those conditions aren't met, it's an appalling breach of trust & confidentiality, IMO.

Admittedly, I'm an intensely private person. Those who aren't as obsessive about privacy, probably can't grasp how important it is to some of us.

agogoboots

11-14-2007, 07:12 PM

Java, I guess there are different ways to look at it. In real life I am intensely private for the most part. I'm pretty open with people one on one and if they are close to me I guess. But I don't even like to be out in public for the most part. I don't know that many people, don't want to know that many people, don't do group socialization at all.

But here, it almost seems like it doesn't count so much because most people here I will never meet. You know how maybe it's ok to wear a bikini on vacation in Hawaii where you will never see those people again in your life... but you wouldn't feel so good if it was a pool party at your boss' house and everybody from your office were there? Something like that.

No, I have nothing against FLVamp specifically. It more irritated me because she could talk about something so intimate about someone (unknown), a could George, and I got taken to the cleaners for mentioning people who were ALSO unidentifiable (to all but one person I was speaking to) and I only mentioned they had a piece of real estate for sale (and there was a sign in the yard and an ad in the paper). So it bugged me that the response is so very much about the poster, rather than the "right or wrong" of the individual thing.

And no, I don't want to talk about it because it's impossible. If this continues somebody will show up and start spewing. And it's old. And it would have been wise had I just left it alone.

I've said what was on my mind, and I've answered your question, and now I am not going to discuss it with you or anyone because I'm tired of arguing about stupid issues. It's a waste of my life.

I just think people should treat others with a larger degree of fairness, and stop the constant harassment over everything that is said, and drop some of the negativity.

mewsicmama

11-14-2007, 11:11 PM

I'd like to get a house in the middle of some acreage, plant a billion trees around it so nobody can see in or out, then surround myself with the people in who's companionship I enjoy, and lots of animals!

My dearest wish.

agogoboots

11-14-2007, 11:17 PM

Hi Shari.

JavaNoire

11-15-2007, 09:10 PM

Terri, perhaps it was unfair. I'm lagging on the details concerning the pertinent threads (& don't care to catch up). IF it was unfair, then you need only address the inequity, rather than taking a swipe at another poster who hasn't (according to you) attacked you. Don't gratuitous jabs at her, for what others have done to you, also seem unfair?

Whether OL or RL, people share of themselves to varying extents. There is no 'one size fits all'. Depending upon the people & circumstances I share of myself as I want to. That's neither right nor wrong. It's simply *my* personal choice. Others' choices won't mirror my own. Nor should they.

agogoboots

11-16-2007, 07:23 AM

I agree with that Java. Perhaps I was wrong to use a particular person's post as an example without further clarification of the point I was making. I was not attacking the poster and was not my intent. Point taken and thank you for taking the time to point that out to me in such a civil manner.

Doofy

11-16-2007, 09:32 AM

Agogo I really related to your post , as I feel exactly the same way.

In RL I'm an anti-social missfit.

But on a board I can say, do, be anything I want.

It always boggled me how people on boards could constantly get their feelings hurt.

I realize that some people have met online friends, that have turned into RL friends.

But for the most part these usernames are complete strangers, people we will never meet.

Toy and I for example have shared common boards here and there for close to eight years.

Thats a longer connection than a lot of people in my RL.

I wouldn't call us strangers, but it wouldn't be a lot more than that.

I guess it also goes to personality and investment.

I know people that if they go out with someone for coffee once, somehow that makes them friends for life. They would be crushed if that person didn't return their calls.

For me there has to be more than that, to use words like friend and enemy.

I have to invest a lot of emotions to use words like that. I don't see how people can do that with just a username to work with.

I also dream of a cabin on the edge of a valley where you can follow the water moving off into the distance with both your eyes and your mind. With no sign of any other human life to mar the vista.

I've always been a city boy, so I don't really know if I could live that way or not.

but its a nice dream.

agogoboots

11-16-2007, 03:37 PM

What a nice post, Doofy.

Does it ever frustrate you that people always want to change you when you are happy with your anti-social characteristics? Do they always assume you'd rather be, or be better off, a social clone like themselves? Because you see in a way I see those people as "missing out" in turn just as much as they see me as missing out... always too consumed with what others think, what others do, how to "fit in" and "measure up". I have no desire to "waste" my life or mind on those things. There's too much other stuff I can appreciate and enjoy be it online socialization which "goes straight to the mind" without the dance and fanfare, or nature, or home, or a good book, whatever.

I have a pretty good situation where I am right now, 4 acres with neighbor's acreage on all sides, blocked in with 3000 trees 10 years into growth, within driving distance of a city.

Some years ago we thought about moving to Arkansas. We went up to Jasper County to a tiny spot (not even a town) called Deer Arkansas. There on top of a mountain on 20 acres in the middle of thousands of acres of national forest was a 3500 sq. ft. house over looking a 5 acre spring fed lake. I thought it was totally HEAVEN priced at only $220,000. The house has a basement with generator and storm shelter, glass windows and decks overlooking the lake with a pier. The beginning of the Little Buffalo River which are the best kyaking rapids in Arkansas began on that very property. You could actually find directions to that house by searching the kyaking sites for driving directions. Only catch was it was 5 miles down a logging road... and 20 miles up winding mountain roads with no guard rails... and 2 hours to a Walmart. LOL.

I guess these days I dream of something even more perfect than the near perfect I have a little closer in, but I HAVE to have SPACE. There is no way I could ever live in a neighborhood again in my life I don't think.

I know a lot of people in real life as aquaintences, but I have very few "friends". Takes a commitment to earn use of that word for me. I would say though that there are some people here who I've posted with for years that I do consider online friends.

I've always been a city boy, so I don't really know if I could live that way or not.

It would be terribly fun to be the Realtor that found that place for you. :)

Nice chatting with you.

agogoboots

11-16-2007, 03:47 PM

Doofy, you might like to browse this site sometime in curiosity. Not only are there a lot of people seriously (some off the grid) living the lifestyle there but also a lot of city dwellers who like to dream of their rural Utopia, or at least explore the thought. There are even a few "homesteaders" homesteading in the city much like Mirvona manages to do.
http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/

Just FYI.

blondieia

11-18-2007, 06:57 PM

In my day-to-day life I would say I am a very private person. I learned in my 20's that people you work with should not be privy to the details of your personal life. It only comes back to bite you. I have few friends, real friends, not acquaintances, because I don't need them. I just don't. I'm happy with my life, I have my husband for company, and a strong famly (even though most of them live far away). The friends I DO have are similar to me in that none of us need constant attention or constant companionship. We can be friends without the need to talk every day. We know the other one is there when we need them. I've been friends with one woman for 20 years. She lives in another state, we can go months without communicating, and it doesn't matter. We just pick up the relationship like we spoke to each other the day before.

Chat boards are different. I think you tend to put more information out there for many reasons. One, you probably aren't going to meet in real life. Also, it's a way to get an opinion from an outsider, someone not vested in the outcome. It's a real shame that it has become so dangerous to reveal personal information on the internet. Ten years ago, when I got my first home computer, and signed onto AOL, I spoke with and met many people from chat rooms, and they were all normal. I even met my husband online. We were talking the other day, and said that if we had met in a chatroom online in this day and age, we never would have met in real life. I have two extremely close friends I met through E-Bay years ago.

It's different now, the crazies are out there and they can afford computers. There is even a person on this board who lives in the same town I do (they know who they are, LOL) and we haven't pushed the meeting in real life thing because of it. I think both of us are perfectly normal, and we would probably like each other, but it's so hard to take a chance anymore. It really is sad that the internet has come to this.

Doofy

11-18-2007, 08:23 PM

Agogo I was very lucky in finding my DW, neither one of us are interested in a social life. So no one really tries to change me.

DW is very family orientated, where I am not. That is the only conflict in my life, as if it were up to me I would skip a large majority of the family gatherings.

My DW is constantly asking me why I would prefer to talk to complete strangers, she doesn't understand that because they are complete strangers, is the very reason. She feels if I can talk to you, I can talk to her family.

I Think its the total control that makes chat boards enjoyable for me. When I get locked into a social gathering without a firm exit time, I feel almost claustrophobic.

Where I can turn a chat board on or off at whim.

I never have to make polite chit chat on a board, if I'm not interested I just move on, and nobody needs know I wasn't interested in their choice of conversation.

I've met some very nice people on the boards over the years, some I've truly liked a lot.

I've probably missed out, because I didn't take advantage of what was offered.

Theres been a lot that have dissapeared, the fact that they can dissapear and just leave good memories, rather than hurt because more was expected. I think is a plus.

Blondieia I agree times have changed, when I started it was the norm for people to advertise their ebay auctions as part of their signature, now it seems to be an invitation to auction interference.

I've enjoyed the hell out of my chat board time, it has been a great part of my life.

But if my computer blew up tomorrow, I could move on quite well. Which I also think is a plus.

agogoboots

11-18-2007, 10:34 PM

I Think its the total control that makes chat boards enjoyable for me. When I get locked into a social gathering without a firm exit time, I feel almost claustrophobic. Where I can turn a chat board on or off at whim.

I really do relate to that in a huge way.

On the negative side, on chatboards no argument can ever be fogotten, no one can ever change their opinion. Everything is archived so it's like every bad moment stands still. That don't like at all. Just today someone who is a friend in real life who doesn't do chatboards and has no unerstanding of them came across another board where some people, most whom I don't even know, were talking very negatively about me. It really upset that person because they didn't think anything that was said was true and it was down right mean. I was sorry it hurt that person.

But if my computer blew up tomorrow, I could move on quite well.

I use my computer for many things and it's be hard to live without some of them. Work for instance, weather, news, recipes, etc. But one of the best days my family ever had in years happened one day several years ago when lightning struck our computer and knocked the entire network out. That one day we all went outside together for the entire day and did things in the yard. It was more peaceful that I can remember... then we got a new computer in 24 hours and everybody went back to their individual hole. That is sort of sad.

mivona

12-09-2008, 05:25 PM

Then there was this one, which makes for interesting reading.