Yes. I'm asking for help.

[rossshow]

No matter what we've done, we've all been through it. Together.

We got 6 people so far to donate ths year

http://www.therossshow.com/announcement.php?f=2

I know, it's been a bad year.

Sorry about that, it can only improve if you help us defray the 50 dollar a month hosting fees.

need 30 more people to donate. Step right up.

http://www.therossshow.com/announcement.php?f=2

Please help. We're here for the duration, but your help would ease the pain. TRS isn't going anywhere.

Please, before I leave: I had to ask it one more tme.

Donate and get your Christmas Card with an original drawing by Ross inside!

[krisinluck]

And PM your mailing addresses to him, please!

[Meya]

PP is being a pain and put my payment through twice. Can I cancel one on my end, or do you need to refund it?

[krisinluck]

Meya, I can't refund it until it clears. It takes like two days, okay? I'll watch it and just return it your way.

[krisinluck]

Can you cancel one on your end? If you can, then that would be faster for you. I'll watch in anyway.

[Meya]

If there's a way to cancel it, I don't see it. I rarely use PP anymore, so I'm out of touch.

[puzzlegoddess]

I'd donate, but ... I don't get to use my smilies here, so I'm sad. :(

[TwoBit Rose]

and now I think that I will donate... mainly because PG can't use her smiley's here.

(of course, there are other reasons, but that one put it over to top).

I'll follow-thru tomorrow or the next day - meanwhile, thank you, Ross, for providing this place. I know I don't contribute much... but I enjoy lurking in your attic. Been around these parts too long to not do my part.

TwoBit

P.S. Good choice in partnering with Kris. Very good choice.

[mivona]

:icon_bump:

Amazing that the hosting cost $50 a month last year, and now it is $40 a month. Do you think this is a reflection of the decline in the boards views or the competitive nature of the IT market?

But I also don't get the maths. How does he know that only 30 more donations will fulfil his requirement?

[Doofy]

Thanks for bringing this up, I luv two bits sense of humour.

Has anyone seen her?

If so tell her I said hi.

[tekobari]

Miv, what does his thinking last year about how many more donations he'd need have to do with anything? Maybe the average donation was $5-$10 last year. So he was going by the average.

You know I like you a lot, miv, and always have. Most likely always will. Your mind is incisive. But I really don't get what all the bumps are about.

[Doofy]

Tek its just impossible for her to let anything go.

Many friends of hers have told her she is just making herself look bad, but she just can't get it.

The thing is even she doesn't seem to know what she wants. If both Kris and Ross begged her forgiveness it probably wouldn't matter.

She is in full martyrdom mode.

When Kashtin booted her she did the same thing, I've never seen anybody willingly go threw the contorsions she does.

I honestly don't think she can stop herself.

It might be worth it for Kris to ban her just to put her out of her own misery.

[kim]

- she's looking for something as was i (i was also told i could search for what i was looking for) she took up the search and i'm thankful for that (tho i've not found my answer)...

[kim]

p.s. dictatorship sucks and so do appeals to it...

[krisinluck]

It's up to Ross how to handle it. I won't be the one pushing any buttons on this one. It would just feed her poor pitiful me fire, and give her something else to use as fodder.

Who was the last one we had that bumped up ancient threads? Someone very irritating used to do that when they went on a rant, but I can't remember who it was. Anybody remember?

[kim]

- i think pg did it tho i think also for different reasons...

[krisinluck]

p.s. dictatorship sucks and so do appeals to it...Kim, TRS has always been a dictatorship. It was Ross' dictatorship, remember? He used to just ban someone for pissing him off personally.

It's not like that now, but NOW is when you are calling it that? I guess I don't really understand that, but to each their own.

[kim]

no i'm not calling for that doofy just called for it...

just cuz something was doesn't mean it always has to be...

- and how is it not now (a dictatorship)...?

[kim]

- oh dang it i'm half asleep i thought you said i was calling for one / not calling it one (um yes i am / as it has always been)...

[kim]

it is a dictatorship because you (and ross still too) have all the choices even tho you say you are not going to deal with mivona (instead let ross decide) that's your choice (nobody else here has that choice / hence it's pretty much the same as it always was) entirely at your and / or ross's whim...

- i want an equal VOTE...

[~~P'tuny]

Someone very irritating used to do that when they went on a rant, but I can't remember who it was. Anybody remember?
Heartland did it a lot.
She could pull up a Fart/blip/spelling error and a quote in seconds.
Whatever happened to her, who is she hating now (and where?).
She was the queen of copy/paste.
Actually, she is liked more now for her absence than her participation.
(My thoughts only)
~~Kathleen

[kim]

p.s. for everybody...

[kim]

p.p.s. actually...?

[mivona]

- i want an equal VOTE...

Oh, you wonderful anarchist, you!

[kim]

i want it at every board all across the net...

- that has been my sole mission all these years...

p.s. shit i'm tired...

[bluekazoo]

it is a dictatorship because you (and ross still too) have all the choices even tho you say you are not going to deal with mivona (instead let ross decide) that's your choice (nobody else here has that choice / hence it's pretty much the same as it always was) entirely at your and / or ross's whim...

- i want an equal VOTE...

kim, you old anarchist, you!!!!

There is only one instance where I can think of a board that is NOT a dictatorship and that is when all members have full moderator powers. But that would only work on a small board populated by people that truly get along and are just there to have fun, talk, etc.

As soon as a board is populated by other people, it just wouldn't work ... can you imagine, for example, during an argument, what it would be like if your adversary could edit your posts, or moderate you for disagreeing ...

Boards can't be anarchies or even democracies ... somebody has to hold the key to the control box, and it's only right that it be the person(s) that maintain it.

You know, one person one vote is fine, but there is someone here to negate every single one of our 'votes' or opinions, because we're all different people. So what would it be? Majority rule? That'd be chaos, especially on a board where 90% of the listed members don't even post.

I understand your point, theoretically; I just don't see how it could be workable on a public board.

[kim]

- no we could elect moderators (IF they are deemed necessary) and we could elect a board to run the controls...

[Doofy]

It don't matter to me.

Its just pretty obvious where its going.

I kinda like watching her dig the hole deeper.

I also like being reminded of old posters.

I wasn't a pg fan, but it amazes me that she is no longer on any OAI board that I know of.

[kim]

- a BOD i mean / not the same as a board (lower case)...

[kim]

(rather than majority rule) some sort of consensus vote would be better imo with a built in 3 quarters rule (like we do with changing the constitution) or even better perhaps 80 - 85 percent (then we'd know that it wasn't just a small majority like say 51 percent)...

we could also build in a fail safe over-rule option (i can explain that better later) in case some person comes up with a filibuster argument that goes on forever and ever and ever...

- consensus can be slow very slow changes may take longer but it also takes more thought and discussion (which can lead to better solutions)...

[Doofy]

Ptuny I've read that heartland is at both kashtin's board, and hepburn's.

I haven't been at kashtin's in awhile or hep's at all so thats just hearsay.

I always found heartlands posts to be beautifully written, the ones I can remember.

She could give BK a run for her money.

[krisinluck]

it is a dictatorship because you (and ross still too) have all the choices even tho you say you are not going to deal with mivona (instead let ross decide) that's your choice (nobody else here has that choice / hence it's pretty much the same as it always was) entirely at your and / or ross's whim...

- i want an equal VOTE...Kim, we've been over this before. You gather up the volunteers; I'll step down and y'all can have this headache. I won't even participate other than to watch, though. I'm not at all interested in participating in that kind of board because of the very things that Kazoo listed up there. Why bother to post when anyone who is pissy with you can come on in and edit your posts, or boot you out just because they are having PMS that day or need to get laid or heard something through the grapevine that pissed them off, true or not?

Any board being run that way I would not be part of.

I've been here since the start of TRS, and would never have expected it to be run as a majority rule or whatever. This is not the natural foods co-op, and it cannot be run like one.

[kim]

- did you read my response to kazoo...?

p.s. i want ALL to be a part of it / naysayers from before even the get go are really depressing...

p.p.s. i don't have any followers / don't want any either...

[kim]

"This is not the natural foods co-op, and it cannot be run like one"...

- and why not / yeah / cuz you say so...

[krisinluck]

Well, someone has to gather the troops to make your dream a reality, Kim. The Universe isn't going to just drop that on you. You have to take some steps to make things happen beyond posting that you wish it was this way or that.

It is the way it is. If you want to change it, you have to do more than wish for it. No doubt you've heard the saying "Wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which one fills up faster."

I'm not willing to participate in a board such as you describe, not because I wouldn't have power, but because the assholes with agendas would have the power to change my words and who the hell would know?

Make it happen, and all this can belong to the collective in the sense you are looking for. The stress, the time wasted, the emails, and of course, the bills. I can't speak for Ross, but I have no problem whatsoever handing it over to the collective.

And with that, I'm off to get put together for a long overdue lunch with a friend I never get to see. I'll probably pop in while the beast is warming up - freakin' COLD out there today.

[kim]

- i didn't say a single thing about everybody having ability to edit everybody else's post that's just cockeyed...

[~~P'tuny]

Doofy said:
I always found heartlands posts to be beautifully written, the ones I can remember.
Obviously you were never on the end of her lambasting a person.
That woman could pick one sentence out of a 10 page script, use it in her own context and make it believable.
She was a very nasty person that never said anything kind to anyone that I recall, mind you, being at the end of her constant tongue lashings has Jaded me re her positive attributes.
I don't know Kashtins board, and I (honestly) have no idea about how to get to Heps den of schemers!

I know she is having an appoloptic attack now, as I am sure that she "Thinks" I have been there....But another story, and for Heps benefit (meaning someone is driving her crazy pretending to be me) I will not go into it!
There is no-one @ Heps place that I have any desire to communicate with.
The nice thing, is from what I hear, they are all behind closed doors! LOL
Which keeps the rest of us safe!

[kim]

WE had a board WE elected a BOD (they chose moderators) NOBODY had willy nelly power to change posts i don't know what happened at the very end of it cuz i wasn't involved anymore BUT IT WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS...

- have you forgotten...?

[krisinluck]

WE had a board WE elected a BOD (they chose moderators) NOBODY had willy nelly power to change posts i don't know what happened at the very end of it cuz i wasn't involved anymore BUT IT WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS...

- have you forgotten...?What are you talking about, Kim?

If you are talking about OAUA, well...that ended on a high note, didn't it? As soon as the motley OAI boardie crew caught wind of it, it went straight to hell, sans handbasket.

If you are talking about somewhere else we both posted (until I took this gig and left due to possible conflict of interest), I wasn't aware of any elections, BOD, or moderators. Not to mention that was always a small, private space; the only one I've ever encountered that *succeeded* long term.

I put up a poll to find out what the posters here thought. What do they want from this board? I've asked that more than once since I've been here. That's a whole lot more than Ross ever did, but I never saw you tell him it should be a democracy.

Maybe the fact that my plumbing is indoor makes the difference. Whatever. It is what it is until someone comes up with a different, yet workable, plan and makes it happen.

I'm out.

[kim]

yes i'm referring to OAUA and just cuz it fell apart in the end doesn't mean it couldn't have worked (which it did for quite awhile) something like it could be done again and done better (try try again if at first you don't succeed) and it could apply to anything not just an auction related board i mean...

[kim]

p.s. i don't recall that particular poll (which poll...?) and did it have democracy as an option (?) anyway i've mentioned this plenty of times if i missed a poll well i missed a poll...

[bluekazoo]

something like it could be done again and done better

Then DO it, kim.

Get a group together who feel the same way you do, buy the software, pay the monthly server fees and whatever else is involved and just.do.it.

But I think it's unrealistic at best to expect a place that's been around in various forms since March of 2000 to change much more than it's already changed.

Most of us haven't had any problem expressing our distaste for various things that have happened here over the years -- sometimes attention is paid, most times it's not. I think that's about as good as it gets.

I remember the OAUA boards, even before the weirdness. I joined there in fall of '99, when we moved here and I was ebaying full time (I remember slutbunny was the one who was taking applications at that time and I had to fax her a voided check or ID or something to verify who I was to even join). That board was dead. There was minimal light chat in the forum that you moderated (the watering hole) but most posters posted at AP at the time - or Vendio/AW - and other than a few ebay tips-type posts, the place was pretty much unused, except for the nifty logo to put in our auctions. As an 'organization' it may (or may not) have had some merit; but as a chat board, it was deader than TRS ever has been. Once a month (or so) someone would post the minutes of the BOD meeting. It was mostly abandoned by everybody who wasn't a BOD or a moderator, long before it was raided by those bearing agendas of their own - and then it became a battle of egos before it died a whimpering death.

Maybe you're just having fun today, jerking kris's chain about this place ... maybe you're serious. I have no idea. But it would sure be easy enough to create the place you envision - a lot easier to create it from the ground up than to expect a long-established place to just change-over to the OAUA model.

Why not start a poll and see how folks feel about turning TRS into a BOD board? Make it a public poll so you can see who votes which way and then the 'ayes' are your potential investors in a new place. An ezboard costs a few bucks ... proboards are free, though - you wouldn't even have to have investors - you could just build it and see if they come ...

[Heartland]

Heartland did it a lot.
She could pull up a Fart/blip/spelling error and a quote in seconds.
Whatever happened to her, who is she hating now (and where?).
She was the queen of copy/paste.
Actually, she is liked more now for her absence than her participation.
(My thoughts only)
~~Kathleen

I'm right here, Patooey. Do you really want me back here? Do you really want to stir up a bunch of shit with me after so long, on a board I haven't posted to in ages? I know Blues is so obsessed with me that she can't go 24 hours without mentioning me, but you could at least try, especially since I haven't given you a thought in years.
How many threads does this make where you've mentioned me now?

Hep's board is not behind "closed doors." I won't bother explaining, since you've always had a serious reading comprehension problem. It's not worth the trouble. And yes, we know you've been there, despite your lies to the contrary. You are well aware of where I'm posting. LOL @ someone pretending to be you. Really. LOL. You never did understand how boards work.

Throw any good hissy fits lately? That's what you're well-known for. If I'm the queen of c&p, you're the queen of screaming tantrums over imaginary bullshit, everywhere you go.

Sniveling coward, if you have something to say about me, come to where I am and say it to my face. Or I'll be happy to respond here whenever you mention me and I find the time. Your choice.

[rossshow]

SO good to have Heartland return.

[kim]

- oh hell maybe i will eventually but really basically i'm an idea person i don't know anything about starting polls even much less running a board...

[~~P'tuny]

Whatever!
I can see that you are the same hateful person and intimidating soul that you always have been.
Me, I am not the same.
Firstly, I care not what you have to drivel on about.
I was stating a fact, and if you opt to respond so be it!
(Was that rock hard to push aside so as to crawl out?)
Least I have not resorted to calling and bastardizing peoples names.
How the Hell would I know where you've been?
Whomever the "WE" are, had better check a few things out re me and where I have been (or not.)
Sniveling coward, if you have something to say about me, come to where I am and say it to my face. Or I'll be happy to respond here whenever you mention me and I find the time. Your choice.
I just did and you responded here didn't you?
Be well sweetie! Nice to know you are about and the same as ever.
~~Kathleen

[kim]

p.s. waving to heartland...

[Heartland]

LOL, hi Kim!

[Heartland]

Patooey, you started this little hatefest, so that's on you, not me. If you can't stand the heat, you know what to do.

Hep's board is not locked. Please stop lying about that. If it were, you wouldn't be able to lurk there, and your ID wouldn't be repeatedly showing in the lurkline.

You haven't changed a bit. Still shit-stirring, throwing hissy fits, lying, and generally acting like an imbecile. Same old Patooey. But you don't bastardize anyone's ID, so that makes it all okay!

[kim]

- i've missed you heartland please please please EVERYBODY come back and let's hash this all out...

:1jester:

p.s. jester smiley / however / yes i'm serious...

[Doofy]

Kim why don't you give us a well thought out plan on how this utopia will work, because I have to admit I'm in agreement with Kris.

With what you've established so far, I can't see it either opening, or lasting more than the first day.

[Heartland]

I've missed you too, Kim. But times change.

[kim]

- why should i if you already disagree with me...?

[kim]

- yeah they do...

[Maggie]

I think it's a good idea Kim, I remember you put this idea forth several months ago and I thought it would be a fantastic idea.. It would be nice if all the members had a say or a vote. Kris has said how hard it is for one person to make all the decisions and keep order, so the idea of us all having a hand in it sounds like a good solution.

Hi Ross.. It's good to see you back here, I've missed you.

Heartland :1hug1:

[Heartland]

Sorry, I just saw this.SO good to have Heartland return.

That's not what you said last time you spoke to me! LOL

[kim]

- oh this is good good good (hi maggie) more people coming back and posting the more the better (all the more better so that i can perhaps build my army er my uh whatever) come back come back EVERYBODY YES...!!!

p.s. wheeee heeee ha...!

[Heartland]

I don't think I want to be in an army, but I'll be your baton twirler.

[mivona]

Things change when funds are low, eh?

[Heartland]

Yes, they sure do. Ross was always hot and cold with me, so it's no biggie. I don't take any of it personally.

[kim]

- here's a baton twirl: heartland yeah she's my girl (sorry woman) who cares what ross says just give it a whirl...

:1jester:

[DareMe]

Ok, back to the topic of money, I wonder if maybe a host change is in order? After looking where TRS is hosted, it seems to me it could be hosted on godaddy with a better package for about $15 a month. Maybe I'm missing something. Is it on a dedicated server?

Just a thought.

[Whale Spirit]

You can be hosted at GoDaddy for less than $10 a month.

[kim]

- i've got a godaddy account / site for $15 a year...

[Whale Spirit]

We'll all go there then. :)

[Doofy]

Kim is that where your starting your new board ruled by all?

[kim]

- no it's for my jewelry store...

[Heartland]

Kim, what you said about everyone coming back ... it's my understanding that not everyone can come back even if they want to. Some can log in and read but don't have a posting button, so there are things like that going on.

[kim]

hmmm - er yeah - i'd not considered that...

- darn...

[krisinluck]

SO good to have Heartland return.Oh yeah. I'm overwhelmed with glee.- oh hell maybe i will eventually but really basically i'm an idea person i don't know anything about starting polls even much less running a board...My son had an idea about creating biofuel based on his sister's farts.

Ideas are easy. Making them happen, not so much.Things change when funds are low, eh?Not as far as I am concerned.

DareMe, I have already brought that up with Ross. What happens from here is up to him, because while I am the billing contact, he is the main holder on the account. They won't allow me to make any changes like that; he has to do it. And yes, it would save us a significant amount of money.

Heartland, if you are going to address people here, you won't be changing their screen name to match your grudge of the moment. That can be done at Hep's. The rules here are different, at least until I say fuck it and hand the reins back to Ross and with a wave and "have fun".

Anymore of the "Patooey" business, and your posting button might just disappear as well. This is just a warning, but given your posting history, I suspect that you will be unable to resist pushing the button that will cause me to send you into Miserable Land.

Maybe then, Ross will just take the damned reins from me since he's sooooo happy to see you back. :irollers2

[LittleRedFireAnt]

What's "Miserable Land"? :confused:

[krisinluck]

What's "Miserable Land"? :confused:http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=206197&postcount=1

[kim]

- comparing concern about voting rights to farts is real nice...

[LittleRedFireAnt]

- comparing concern about voting rights to farts is real nice...


Huh?
It looks like she's comparing thinking up ideas to taking action to make it happen
Not voting rights to farts.

[kim]

- i know i said that cuz earlier my words (which i no longer own btw) were twisted and also claims were made by kris and kazoo (with doofy jumping in) concerning my ideas (claims which i never made) so yeah i just twisted back...

[krisinluck]

Huh?
It looks like she's comparing thinking up ideas to taking action to make it happen
Not voting rights to farts.That would be it exactly.

C'mon, Kim. You go on and on about this, people tell you to go for it and you say nooooo. I'm an idea person, not an action person.

If you aren't gonna find action people who feel the same as you do and put it in motion, then stop bitching at me about it. Because whether you mean for it to be bitching or not, it certainly comes across that way.

[kim]

- alright...

[LittleRedFireAnt]

Oh. OK, that's a relief.
How'd you get out of owning your words?
Hey! Maybe we can sell our past words to those folks who like to search for the really juicy ones!
There's two birds for ya...get $$, keep them happy!

[kim]

- ross and kris own them now...

[kim]

- they own yours too now...

[Heartland]

Heartland, if you are going to address people here, you won't be changing their screen name to match your grudge of the moment. That can be done at Hep's.

You're right, I forgot about that rule. It's been a while since I've poted here. My apologies.

The rules here are different, at least until I say fuck it and hand the reins back to Ross and with a wave and "have fun".

When will that be?

Anymore of the "Patooey" business, and your posting button might just disappear as well. This is just a warning, but given your posting history, I suspect that you will be unable to resist pushing the button that will cause me to send you into Miserable Land.

My posting history? Do you mean all the boards I've been banned from? (None.) All the warnings I've received? (None, until now.) I'm quite able to resist more than you think. But thanks for the over-the-top threat, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Maybe then, Ross will just take the damned reins from me since he's sooooo happy to see you back.

I knew you'd be pissed about that. Please try to get over it. I'm really not worth all the angst.

[krisinluck]

- they own yours too now...

- ross and kris own them now...

:ohfor:

[kim]

- well it's true recently you mentioned perhaps selling the board and all of our words...

[trouble1957]

This is an amusing thread.

[krisinluck]

You're right, I forgot about that rule. It's been a while since I've poted here. My apologies.Accepted.When will that be?When I run entirely out of patience for posting alongside adults who insist on reverting to the playground when they are rehashing ancient history from long gone board with not one iota of proof to back any of it up.My posting history? Do you mean all the boards I've been banned from? (None.) All the warnings I've received? (None, until now.) I'm quite able to resist more than you think. But thanks for the over-the-top threat, I'd expect nothing less from you.Nope. From right here. I have not forgotten our last exchange. But I am very glad to see you proved me wrong. I'd prefer not to use the options I have available.
I knew you'd be pissed about that. Please try to get over it. I'm really not worth all the angst.Angst? LOL! Not exactly!

Look, these wars bring hits, but they do nothing to keep the board going. People who were posting and enjoying each other just a few days ago are now embroiled in the fucking drama of yesteryear OR are not posting now. Those who are suddenly posting again are not paying the bills, nor are the lurkers. Some of those who have contributed aren't posting now. One has even said they wish they hadn't ponied up since the Great Return after the Great Exodus.

And I have better things to do with my time than go back to where we were a year ago.

That's why it pissed me off.

[kim]

- {{{trouble enemy mine hihihi hahaha}}}...

[LittleRedFireAnt]

Are you in the market for some words?
We're having a fire sale. :1evil3:

[krisinluck]

- well it's true recently you mentioned perhaps selling the board and all of our words...Are there screenshots in your world? Because the minute you post anything in a public forum online, anyone who wants to can own it.

[LittleRedFireAnt]

Buy 100 words...mix em or match em..
we'll throw in some peta approved schmeat
http://www.therossshow.com/showpost.php?p=206671&postcount=1

[kim]

- well i suppose you got me there kris however i might have a possible / partial solution to that but it's one which i am not yet ready to discuss as it would involve some (other) prior steps...

[kim]

p.s. lol and i bet you'd not like it either hahaha...

[Heartland]

If you noticed, I didn't bring 'the war' here. Ross and Ptuny did that. Whale took advantage of Ross copying my words from another board and decided to continue to fight the war here, instead of there, where she is also a poster, knowing full well how you would react to it, but hoping for a pile-on against me.

Tell Whale to take the war elsewhere, and it'll be done. Tell Ptuny to stop rehashing old shit, and it'll be done. All I've done is respond to their attacks on me, as I believe I still have a right to do.

Thanks. I know you'll do the right thing.

[krisinluck]

Ross brought your words here. Seems to me the heat for that is on Ross. Whale responded, which is within the parameters of defense.

I have done the right thing. Now the ball is in Ross' court. He knows that.

[Kandi]

Oh now that's priceless. Heartland wants others to stop rehashing the past, but she's sitting at Hep's digging tunnels through the past. That's just priceless.

So, Heartland, Kris should be suffering angst over you, like you are suffering angst over Kris at Hep's board? I mean, y'all have a several page thread over there all about Kris. Own your words baby. Kris can't see them, you know that. Own your words.

[Heartland]

What does that mean? What would you expect him to do about that now? Yes, of course the fact that he brought my words here is on him. My point is that *I* did NOT bring it here, as you seemed to be implying.

Whale chose to fight it here instead of where it was originally posted. So that's on her, as well. And you don't seem to have a problem with that, only with my responses to her attacks and accusations.

And what about Ptuny? You mentioned something about attacking without proof, yet she has been here viciously attacking me all week and claiming untrue things about me, and you've never once spoken to her about rehashing old wars. She is the reason I'm here now, so let's give credit where credit is due.

This kind of bias is what turns so many people off, Kris. You have different rules for different players because of your personal feelings, be they right or wrong, and it's not even subtle.

[Heartland]

You're still babbling, Blues. Kris can so see them, if she really wants to.

I don't care if anyone wants to rehash the past. They can knock themselves out. Kris is the one who has a problem with it, as she has said many times. So now you (still) look like an idiot.

My long post that Ross copied over was part of a dialogue I was having with Shawn. A dialogue that led to us burying the hatchet and moving forward, I might add. Sorry if that's a kick in the gut for you, but there it is.

[Kandi]

My gut is just fine, thank you much. Brrrrrump bump.:1th_drum:

You're still dancing and I love it!

[Heartland]

No, I'm actually sitting here laughing at you flouncing around all over the board like a maniac. Getting manic again, are we?

[Kandi]

There you go again. Saying it makes it so. I'm getting tired now. You're power posting is exhausting. Are you tired of dancing yet?:1finger1:

[Heartland]

Flounce flounce bounce flounce bounce bounce

[krisinluck]

What does that mean? What would you expect him to do about that now? Yes, of course the fact that he brought my words here is on him. My point is that *I* did NOT bring it here, as you seemed to be implying.

Whale chose to fight it here instead of where it was originally posted. So that's on her, as well. And you don't seem to have a problem with that, only with my responses to her attacks and accusations.

And what about Ptuny? You mentioned something about attacking without proof, yet she has been here viciously attacking me all week and claiming untrue things about me, and you've never once spoken to her about rehashing old wars. She is the reason I'm here now, so let's give credit where credit is due.

This kind of bias is what turns so many people off, Kris. You have different rules for different players because of your personal feelings, be they right or wrong, and it's not even subtle.I am not implying anything, Heartland. You are interpreting it from your own POV. But let me see if I have this right: You are here because of Ptuny but you only posted to defend yourself because Ross c/p your words from someplace else and Whale responded. Is that it? Am I even in the same ballpark?

No one makes anyone respond. Your responses are only on you - that's the core meaning of Own Your Words.

I don't mind that you are here. I mind the subject matter.

I'm glad that you and White Owl (as we know him here) made peace. That's great! Can't that be expanded somewhat, or at least make an attempt to co-exist with these others?

That is not directed only at you, Heartland. It's across the board. The only bias I have is how disgusted I am that the posters who were here and enjoying each others company a couple of days ago are sitting on the goddamned lurk line (if they are anywhere on the board at all) while this bullshit rages on unabated. Hits hits hits! Whoop de fuckin' doo.

I don't want to read through this shit. The world is full of shit - can't there be someplace one can visit that isn't? I've got Kim wanting the place to be a utopia commune or something, you coming back to "defend" yourself against the same old shit, Blues feeding you energy bars to keep it happening, people raging about boards I never set foot on that are long gone and no written record remains to prove who said what to whom or when! But the people who are sane and communicative on a variety of topics - who donated, by God, to keep the board running - aren't here posting because they don't want to read this shit either.

If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.Kris can so see them, if she really wants to.Sure I can...if I get myself a sock. I don't do socks. I can't read there logged in under my own name because she doesn't want me there (like I'd post anyway) and if one isn't logged in, they can't read.

Hep knows how I feel about socks. Again, back to Own Your Words. If I have a sock, I'm not owning anything. AND...forcing me to get a sock opens up a whole 'nother can of worms over there - I could post! It won't be long before anyone who is there under a name other than they are "known" as will be viewed with great suspicion and soon banned, just as my known ID is.

No thanks. I'll stick to the periodic updates in PM, thanks. Even that is mostly the same routine I've seen over and over again for nine years.

:1wall2:

[krisinluck]

I forgot to address your first question - what do I expect him to do about it now?

I expect him to make a solid decision and stick to it one way or the other. Because this is not what I am willing to spend my time on now.

I have better things to do in a life that is far from the misery I grew accustomed to.

I just got this in RSS from a blog I read frequently. I'm not going to link because the writer has enough on their plate right now, but it sums things up perfectly:They count on the blog owner being PC. They count on the blog owner not wanting to take any decisive action for fear of revealing some kind of bias or being seen as controlling or as a person who inhibits FREE SPEECH.Change blog to board, and you've got where I'm at now. Fuck it. I'm done playing.

[Heartland]

But let me see if I have this right: You are here because of Ptuny but you only posted to defend yourself because Ross c/p your words from someplace else and Whale responded. Is that it? Am I even in the same ballpark?

I came here to post today because I've watched Ptuny viciously attack me here all week, bringing up past shit and lying about my posting habits, with no complaint from you, I might add. I finally had enough and came here to call her on it.

While I was here, Ross copied and posted my post from TF. (Yes, you know how his mind works, too.) Then Whale decided to respond to that post, instead of responding to it where I originally posted it, and I posted to answer her questions which were addressed to me.

That would be the ballpark I'm in. This overused phrase, "own your words" is wearing thin on me. I've never denied my words, as long as I remember them! If someone else is denying their words, take it up with them.

I don't mind that you are here. I mind the subject matter.

Ah, but that was hardly your first reaction to me being here, was it? I don't care much for the subject matter myself, and I would hope you are smart enough to realize that. I minded very much that I was being attacked by some crazy person on several threads. I minded that a post of mine, which was part of a much longer dialogue on another board, was used for fodder here, and further attacks. But I created neither of those situations.

I don't want to read through this shit. The world is full of shit - can't there be someplace one can visit that isn't? I've got Kim wanting the place to be a utopia commune or something, you coming back to "defend" yourself against the same old shit, Blues feeding you energy bars to keep it happening, people raging about boards I never set foot on that are long gone and no written record remains to prove who said what to whom or when! But the people who are sane and communicative on a variety of topics - who donated, by God, to keep the board running - aren't here posting because they don't want to read this shit either.

I already told you, talk to the people who are bringing up the old shit if you don't want it here. I wasn't one of them. If you don't want me to answer questions or respond when I'm attacked, then it only makes sense that you would put a halt to those questions and attacks. You want me to take the fall for what others are doing, because I'm the only one you are addressing this issue to. That doesn't float with me very well, nor would it with you, if you were in my shoes.

Sure I can...if I get myself a sock. I don't do socks. I can't read there logged in under my own name because she doesn't want me there (like I'd post anyway) and if one isn't logged in, they can't read.


That's not entirely the case. It was explained, more than once, that because she deleted (or banned?) everyone when she closed down the board before, those people are now "banned" by the system, but she has no way of unbanning you because you no longer show in the member list, because she deleted all the members. All you have to do is create a new ID, add a 1 or something to it, and you would be able to log in. This didn't just happen to you, it happened to several people.

A sock puppet ID is one created to hide behind. If you aren't hiding behind it, you're not a sock. But do as you wish.

I have financially supported this board in the past. I won't do it again as long as I'm treated with such obvious bias and hatred by the board admin. If you only want people here who are paying to use this board, you should make that clear to everyone, and then turn it into the private board it should be, under those conditions.

I have moved on in many areas on these boards. I have been able to post alongside many former "enemies," and that has even been a surprise to me at times. I wish people would move on, which has been the gist of what I've been preaching for the past two weeks ever since the 'lawsuit' came to light. I'm saying if you want something different from me, or from others, then set the example of respect and fairness and stop the attacks, both from others and yourself. If that happens, I will be only too happy to move forward on an agreeable note, and I suspect others will, as well.

I'm sorry if you don't like the way I write, but I am what I am, and I can't change my writing personality to please anyone. And I don't mind being me at all. This is how I talk, to everyone. I try to explain things as clearly as I can. Over and out.

[Kandi]

Let me get this straight. You don't want anybody to say anything about you here, or attack you, that if they do, you should have the right to come and defend yourself. However, you don't mind sitting at Hep's board attacking the shit out of me AND Kris, and we don't have the right to come there and defend ourselves. Got it. Double standard and all that hyporicsy bullshit you're so good spouting.

[krisinluck]

Here's something we are 100% in agreement on:I'm sorry if you don't like the way I write, but I am what I am, and I can't change my writing personality to please anyone. And I don't mind being me at all. This is how I talk, to everyone. I try to explain things as clearly as I can.I understand the frustration when people don't understand you. Believe me I do.

Anybody reading the exchange between Heartland and me here should take it to heart for themselves, too. It was not just her - it's anyone playing these games.

[Heartland]

I don't make the rules at TF. Take it up with Hep if you can't get in. I've gone many months without mentioning you at all, only to watch you constantly bringing me up in one kind of attack or another, on every board to which you post. Face it, you are obsessed with me and you can't help yourself.

My point, which you so painfully missed, is that KRIS DOES NOT WANT IT HERE, so it's up to her to stop it. It's not up to me to stop something I didn't start. Are you following along so far? If she DID want it here, then we would be having no discussion about it right now, would we? Duh. You really aren't even half as smart as you think you are, Blues.

[Heartland]

That's it. I'm out for the night.

[tekobari]

I haven't seen P'tuny attack anyone for a week, let alone Heartland. Was I knocked unconscious again?

[lakelady]

In the unlikely event that I'm in the group that Kris referred to as sane posters who were here a few days ago and not posting now:

WTF???!!! Why the hell do we have drag up this old shit that only three people care about?? I can't be the only one that wasn't there, doesn't care, and just wants it TO BE OVER.

If this is what happens when Ross comes back then I change my vote.

I have no problem with old posters returning, but can't they just leave their old grudges at the door?

I'd rather wade through the crap on the WootOff than read this shit.

So. There is my post. I've had a very difficult day in RL and that no doubt fueled my rant. But really, people.............get a fucking grip.

[krisinluck]

Not unlikely at all, Lakelady.

I hope today is better for you. The full moon is coming Friday, and this one is going to be a bitch.

[trouble1957]

I would toss in a few bucks but teenage trouble just got braces.

Goodness!!! :1tantrum:

I'll soon be forced to approach Congress with a bail-out proposal! I hereby place braces as the 3rd most expensive item a person has to buy in their lives behind a car and a house......lol

[Lukeiamyourfather]

You might be onto something there Trub. Keep us posted.

[krisinluck]

Trouble, be sure and let me know how that bailout proposal goes. Make sure you drive a beater car to visit Washington, though. Even those Hybrids the Big 3 execs drove in cost more than the average American can afford right now...because we are bailing out the big wigs. Nice Catch-22, huh?

Sorry about the expense, though - that's got to hurt!

[Kandi]

I had braces 21 years ago and they were around $3,500. I can't imagine what they cost now. The jaw surgery was another $17,000. The blood clot following that...almost $100,000. (Moral of the story, never, never, ever lay on the sofa for two weeks just after a surgery.)

[trouble1957]

I had braces 21 years ago and they were around $3,500.

That was the "starting" price they quoted me. This will all be done in stages as right now, he has some kind of spreader thingy attached to the braces and we have to turn it to expand it daily.

I've noted as the roof off his mouth expands my wallet deflates....lol It's one of those inversely proportional thingies....lol

[Kandi]

Uffff, I've seen that device in action and am quite thankful I never had to have it. It will be worth it though. Smiles are such an important part of a person's self esteem.

[sharronn]

My granddaughter has been bugging her mother for braces for a couple of years (she thought they were cute and wanted to look like her freinds!!). Her uncle tried to tell her they HURT...I don't care, she says, ROFL. Welll..mom took her to the dentist to get braces (she needs them but finances put it off for a while). The upshot...SHE IS COMPLAINING THAT THEY HURT!!! Uncle just laughs at her LOL

[bluekazoo]

trouble, my daughter had a PSA (palatal spreading appliance) before her braces, too.

It's a drag, but it's well worth it.

She was taking a German class at the time, and it was great for her German pronunciation, heh ...

She has a beautiful smile now, and it's worth all the hassle and the cash, for sure.

The darned key always freaked me out though. Hated doing that part.

[Luvcats]

Kazoo, I'd never heard of that until we went to the neighbors' house last summer for a picnic and their oldest son had that going on. It sounded horrifying, but I guess the results are truly impressive.

[krisinluck]

{{{Luvvie}}} It's good to see you!

[toollady]

Oldest had "phase one" of orthodontic treatment 4 years ago to the tune of $4500. "Phase two" is another $4K, but oldest has decided to take up the habit of biting his nails and I refuse to continue with treatment until he stops.

Youngest will probably be starting his orthodontics in the next 18 months. Can't wait to see what the new "phase one" price is going to be...:1wall:

[trouble1957]

Oldest had "phase one" of orthodontic treatment 4 years ago to the tune of $4500. "Phase two" is another $4K, but oldest has decided to take up the habit of biting his nails and I refuse to continue with treatment until he stops.

Youngest will probably be starting his orthodontics in the next 18 months. Can't wait to see what the new "phase one" price is going to be...:1wall:

Oh you must be a liar....lol Please let you be a liar.